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Some stats from the European database of adverse events

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Laura1981

Hi all,

 

I wasn't quite sure where to post this, so it goes in "Off topic" for now.

 

I managed to pull withdrawal statistics from the European database of adverse events. Pictures attached. What surprised me was:

 

- There were several fatalities logged under withdrawal syndrome

- Reported numbers were very low. Report your reactions my dear friends!!!

 

Cheers,

 

Laura

 

PS: The left image is Fluoxetine and the right is Sertraline

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Laura1981

Venlafaxine withdrawals:

1 Fatal

3 Not Specified

57 Not Resolved / Recovered

93 Resolved / Recovered

2 Recovered with sequelae

9 Recovering

149 Unknown

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Laura1981

Wow, this database is interesting.  For Sertraline, the database has the following: 

 

33 cases of Tardive Dyskinesia

92 cases of Myoclonus

10 cases of Partial Seizures

2 cases of Partial Seizures with secondary generalization

179 cases of Seizures

168 cases of Serotonin Syndrome

121 cases of Parathesia

129 cases of Dyskinesia

68 cases of Epilepsy, 5 fatal

178 cases of Cardiac arrest, 124 fatal

74 cases of Arrhythmia, 11 fatal

203 cases of Mania

115 cases of Psychosis

516 suicide attempts, 16 fatal

 

Guys, these drugs are criminal. If you imagine there is a life behind each of these cases... it makes me want to cry.

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AppleOfSodom

I thought SSRIs didn't cause TD...?!

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AppleOfSodom

Isn't it possible to display a banner on top of the forum to make sure everyone reports their side effects?

I don't want to blame the victim but we're a very passive community.

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Laura1981

That would be amazing. One of the moderators would need to jump in and answer that. I guess there are several important things that would be good to display in a banner, but it's hard to choose which one. Maybe rotating?

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AppleOfSodom

I've reported to the FDA 2 weeks ago, they haven't answered yet.

I also reported to Infarmed (Portugal) 2 years ago, they answered and curiously marked my case as "strong probability of being connected to drug treatment".

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AppleOfSodom

Why can't I find Effexor (Venlafaxine) on that database?

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Laura1981

Check under substances - >venlafaxine. It's the second tab on the start page

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AppleOfSodom

Thanks Laura. I remember an irish guy who was suing for PSSD. I never saw him again. I wonder if he went ahead.

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Laura1981

No problem! I was considering to sue, but it's really impossible. How would you find the funds to take up a lawsuit with a drug company? I will certainly do that once I get healthy and rich :-P

 

Instead I've filed a complaint about my doctor with the medical council. I don't think anything will result from it, but at least he has some paperwork and hopefully thinks about it twice before prescribing poison next time.

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stan

I am not surprised, since i have discovered medicament being chemical toxic and doctors playing with and us being the victims, until a few discover the reality, and how many unable to discover the truth...and doctors closing their mouth, and prescribing and prescribing...worldwide, a modern genocid...

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Laura1981

Yeah, it's so sad. And the worst is, it is very hard to do anything about this.

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InvisibleUnless

id imagine those charts moreso refer to 'primary withdrawal' than the 'protracted withdrawal' we are mostly dealing with on this site, which would account for the lower reporting rate.  3.72% fatality rate reported for people quitting those two SSRIs, though...thats basically saying that taking and quitting an SSRI, one of the most commonly prescribed drugs in the world, is like playing russian roulette with a cylinder 4 and a half times as big (as the normal 6-shot).  sobering.

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stan

I am not surprised, since i have discovered medicament being chemical toxic and doctors playing with and us being the victims, until a few discover the reality, and how many unable to discover the truth...and doctors closing their mouth, and prescribing and prescribing...worldwide, a modern genocid...

and i forget, doctors give more ealier to children, give to pregnant woman, their childs haven genes sequeals, the human is becoming slowly a degenerate race more vulnerable, less intelligent, all this for the benefit of a category of people who are sadistic, looking on her disabled creations and putting money in their pocket,

on the other side, the people who are not wanting to participate, writing books, speaking conferences, making websites, would this people able to change this?

It is similar as NAZI destroying people, in a modern system with modern chemical weapon, worldwide...

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mammaP

Can you post a link please Laura, this is really interesting. 

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Laura1981

Whoops, just realized that I didn't do that... operating on reduced brain power. Here it is: 

 

http://www.adrreports.eu/en/index.html

 

Sometimes it is slow to load or doesn't work. I think that happens during Europe business hours. So people on the American continent have higher chances of success during the evening. 

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btdt

 

I am not surprised, since i have discovered medicament being chemical toxic and doctors playing with and us being the victims, until a few discover the reality, and how many unable to discover the truth...and doctors closing their mouth, and prescribing and prescribing...worldwide, a modern genocid...

and i forget, doctors give more ealier to children, give to pregnant woman, their childs haven genes sequeals, the human is becoming slowly a degenerate race more vulnerable, less intelligent, all this for the benefit of a category of people who are sadistic, looking on her disabled creations and putting money in their pocket,

on the other side, the people who are not wanting to participate, writing books, speaking conferences, making websites, would this people able to change this?

It is similar as NAZI destroying people, in a modern system with modern chemical weapon, worldwide...

 

 

When Nazi regime was at war they had risks... that is the huge difference here the deck is stacked they have no risk. 

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oskcajga

Wow, this database is interesting.  For Sertraline, the database has the following: 

 

33 cases of Tardive Dyskinesia

92 cases of Myoclonus

10 cases of Partial Seizures

2 cases of Partial Seizures with secondary generalization

179 cases of Seizures

168 cases of Serotonin Syndrome

121 cases of Parathesia

129 cases of Dyskinesia

68 cases of Epilepsy, 5 fatal

178 cases of Cardiac arrest, 124 fatal

74 cases of Arrhythmia, 11 fatal

203 cases of Mania

115 cases of Psychosis

516 suicide attempts, 16 fatal

 

Guys, these drugs are criminal. If you imagine there is a life behind each of these cases... it makes me want to cry.

 

This is really sad, but not surprising at all.

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Laura1981

And these are only the cases where the doctors were smart and associated the adverse reaction with the drug... imagine the real stats... 

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btdt

It is the luck of the draw isn't it I am thinking of Faith on this site.. she has some issues went for help they made her worse.. if she had one of as you say smart doctors maybe she would not be where she is today.  

So if some doctors know and some doctors don't know.. the real questions is how could this be ... and why? There is standard training.. 

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Laura1981

Update: I managed to get some more detailed data which includes the duration of the withdrawal reactions. 

 

Conclusion: They have no idea!!!!! 

 

From most reports, the duration of the withdrawal is missing. From the few reports that come with a duration, most were reported to last a couple of days. 

 

There are 3 withdrawal reactions with a bit of a longer duration: 97, 61 and 61 days. The reports include "North American Data" as well. 

 

My question would be: Is the data wrong or did really nobody report a withdrawal lasting more than 97 days? 

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oskcajga

Update: I managed to get some more detailed data which includes the duration of the withdrawal reactions. 

 

Conclusion: They have no idea!!!!! 

 

From most reports, the duration of the withdrawal is missing. From the few reports that come with a duration, most were reported to last a couple of days. 

 

There are 3 withdrawal reactions with a bit of a longer duration: 97, 61 and 61 days. The reports include "North American Data" as well. 

 

My question would be: Is the data wrong or did really nobody report a withdrawal lasting more than 97 days? 

 

Perhaps the administrators in charge of compiling the data decided that certain withdrawal reports were not actually withdrawal and a relapse of symptoms or something like that.  Obviously this is total nonsense, there's much longer durations of withdrawal than 97 days and certainly at least 10-50 reports have been filed over the last 20-30 years.

 

Something smells fishy.

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Laura1981

Update: The duration is not mandatory to fill out, so likely what happens is: Patient gets sick of withdrawal, an initial report is filed, nobody ever follows up so the field remains empty. 

 

There is a periodic safety check for all SSRI and SNRI in 2017. If we manage to get enough reports in by that day, maybe they will wake up... Report people, report!!!!

 

Here's the agenda for the safety checks.

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nz11

 

Update: I managed to get some more detailed data which includes the duration of the withdrawal reactions. 

 

Conclusion: They have no idea!!!!! 

 

From most reports, the duration of the withdrawal is missing. From the few reports that come with a duration, most were reported to last a couple of days. 

 

There are 3 withdrawal reactions with a bit of a longer duration: 97, 61 and 61 days. The reports include "North American Data" as well. 

 

My question would be: Is the data wrong or did really nobody report a withdrawal lasting more than 97 days? 

 

Perhaps the administrators in charge of compiling the data decided that certain withdrawal reports were not actually withdrawal and a relapse of symptoms or something like that.  Obviously this is total nonsense, there's much longer durations of withdrawal than 97 days and certainly at least 10-50 reports have been filed over the last 20-30 years.

 

Something smells fishy.

 

Yes i agree with this

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Thousands/Millions? are not reporting anything because they are being silenced, too trusting of the doc who tells them when they seek answers that they have an underlying depression.

We know this is complete nonsense.

 

But then we are up against a medical profession that will not report adverse effects because then that doc would have to admit a patient has been harmed. And who wants to experience some serious cognitive dissonance. The result of this is that doctors report fewer than 5% of serious adverse events on treatment. Furthermore speaking up against a problem by a doctor is now a recipe for professional suicide...doctors are suffering their own variation of Stockholm syndrome. Offers to describe problems at professional meetings are being turned down. Journals are rejecting publications outlining a new problem.

Those holding doctors hostage are being very kind indeed free meals, trips, who needs a credit card any longer and of course drug companies are supplying  the objects that make doctors desirable. Everyone patients and doctors are hypnotized...oh yeah well the label concedes that the drug can cause that but...that is unlikely to be the cause in this case. And when the power imbalance is unprecedented and the arrogance unmatched we idiots-lesser mortals   patients believe it. 

 

This is why in America and Europe regulators are now taking reports of adverse effects directly from patients.

 

Did you know its documented that over 80 % of the reports on the adverse consequences  dismissed as anecdotes have turned out to be correct! Aso 30% of the clinical trials that have been undertaken remain unreported and that of the 50% that are reported almost all will have been ghostwritten and roughly 25 % of the published trials altered to the extent that a negative result for  a drug will have been transformed into evidence the drug works well and is safe. In 100% of the cases the data from trials remain inaccessible.

 

There is very little incentive for a patient to report maybe altruistic purposes is the driver, in my case it was outrage!

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btdt

Check under substances - >venlafaxine. It's the second tab on the start page

I don't see a tab labelled substances??

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