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Thanks for your input farout.

 

My personal situation relates to negligence by a particular gp who clearly demonstrated  dangerous prescribing practices over a period of eight years.

This included prescribing me lexapro 40mg for six years (max. recommended dose is 20mg , and I'm tiny) along with a bunch of

meds with dangerous interactions.   This led to a range of iatrogenic conditions and pretty much stuffed up my life(and I lost my livelihood and my home as a result).

 

I have a delightful barrister who knows about ssri's engaged on a no win/no fee basis , and he's organizing a solicitor.

I'm lucky to be  having the medico-legal report done for free.

 

I get sent lots of interesting articles and links , and thought it was the right thing to share on this site.

1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg

2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg

Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta

Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months.

July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months.

Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg.

October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive.

March 2016 , 21mg

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Seems to me to be a good way for a pharma lawyer to get the names addresses ip addresses and maybe even email addresses of people on a wd site...or any people who have a complaint against one of their drugs.

 

oh is that my paranoia showing ... perhaps.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

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that would not be very efficient.  all a company needs to do is hack a database (which could be at levels undetectable to specific site admins for many places, due to aggregate hosting and creation of traffic statistics), or just peek into the constructs in some places.  there is no such thing as net anonymity, even with something like onion routing.  big pharma is probably like big government...they have their fingers in all the pies, but most stuff they see is not truly problematic for them.  especially because the tide will eventually turn against SSRI/etc treatment, regardless, and they will be on the front lines of pushing new medications and treatments to line their pockets while 'helping' people with withdrawal.

 

i was concerned about giving them my name/address, because that puts me on a map permanently, and will be available to whoever they deal with (big pharma, anyone who buys out the legal service networking company, etc), but theres an easier way to get that stuff as well---everyone prescribing these things already reports to big pharma and already has that stuff on record.

 

when youre a higher status figure and have a livelihood and stuff, smear and scare tactics can be a good tool towards burying dissent...but most of us are people that lost our jobs, houses, spouses, friends, and capacity to even go about functionally because of withdrawal.  what else can they really throw at us?  but, your paranoia is in good form :)

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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here is where that cymbalta info-gathering link leads to: http://gacovinolake.com/

 

Gacovino, Lake & Associates --- We Call You During Your Lunch (But You Can Reschedule!)

 

i asked some pointed questions (somewhat blunted by my rather sleep deprived state), and mostly answered by self-admittedly unqualified intake personnel.  but, in short, heres some of what i learned:

 

1 - the intake gal said she has never heard of big pharma subsidizing class-action litigation like this, because its not criminal law and thus double jeopardy doesnt apply.  i dont know what the limits really are, then, but that is interesting nonetheless.

 

2 - they have a win-only fee plan of 33.333333333333333333333333333% + expenses and disbursements (the cost of everything in life, apparently)...whether or not this can completely absorb (or even exceed) the cost of an awarded payment is something i will be asking.  (there is an alternative plan where you pay the fees and the cut is divided up differently with respect, but that means up front costs, win or lose.)

 

3 - she stated that they are pursuing this case-by-case, so winnings are supposedly not spread around a group of people to the point of uselessness.

 

4 - they are headquartered in new york (corporately speaking, i guess, given their webpage and NY bar status), but have regional offices dispersed throughout the country.  but i guess this is federal law?  sorry, consciousness waning.

 

5 - they are a bit pushy.  they are not fully accommodating of individuals still experiencing some of the more dysfunction-inducing effects of withdrawal pertinent to starting a case, like paranoia or psychosis, which is at least in part due to the workload id imagine.  but, its something to beware of.  they made a lot of "take our word for it" statements and it was hard to put the brakes on to get external verification of their claims.  they support independent review, and are happy to give you time to consider their legitimacy and read their documentation, but, be it standard practice or not in such situations, i felt abnormally pressured.  thats partly just how most places (law firms, doctors offices, etc) tend to be, but im going to seek further advice, on here or other places, before signing away access to my medical records or entering a binding commitment to pursue mad ca$hes.  i wouldnt call them avoidant, but they seemed put off that i didnt just swallow every line they gave and do everything they said...  isnt that how we all got into this mess in the first place?  i asked questions where the person would say "ive never been asked that before"...which is a bit baffling to me given the volume of calls they seem to be receiving.

 

6 - as is the nature of these cases, you will be signing over access to your entire medical history.  make sure you know who can see it, and for how long, before letting that **** flap in the wind.  the contract says you can revoke their access at any time by writing their offices...however, the contract also states that revoking their access (if you find out they are not trustworthy, for instance) is basically tantamount to dropping the case.  if you drop the case, for that reason or any other, you are assuming the costs of the investigation/activity and such up to that point.  so if you cooperate fully and dont interfere or try to regain any privacy, you supposedly have a chance at a payout...but the alternative is concerning, and constitutes them having you over a barrel, so to speak.

 

7 - scattered consumer reports can be found online of illegal cold-calling from individuals claiming to be part of this firm.  the reports are all a bit old (from a few years back), comparatively speaking, and its rare (or even suspicious) for a company to have a 100% clean record in the online review sector, but it definitely makes me think that its a good idea to look a bit more into this all.  though, annoying or unscrupulous behavior doesnt necessarily mean my information is at risk or that i cant get some meaningful fund reclamation through them.

 

 

input, especially learned input, is appreciated.  general discussion is fine, too.

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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cant find an edit post button for some reason...maybe its not allowed in this forum.  anyway, two more things:

 

8 - there is a somewhat constraining time window you have to meet.  i dont have exacts at the moment, but its looking like 3 years from the present date for your discontinuation and withdrawal to be occurring in, or maybe even less.  they probably have a window for start time, too, but it was not conveyed.  im talking to the people about the notion of protracted withdrawal suits, since we often dont even know we are in withdrawal for a year or three, and all the cases i read about on their site previously pertained to acute withdrawal states, including this cymbalta one.

 

9 - they have a nifty blog section, and it has a feed specifically for big pharma related news (coverups and such).  some of the topics have already been referenced in threads on here, but theres always more if anyone wants to dig, or wait for the next thing to drop ---  http://gacovinolake.com/tag/big-pharma-and-corporate-lies/

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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I would be careful of the term "plus expenses", that is lawyer speak for we will charge you triple for everything from paperclips to hotel bills to Palm Springs vacations.  This really should be done on a percentage only basis.  Also be aware that once the case is settled you will probably be placed under some sort of "gag order" making it so you can never talk about WD, protracted recovery, various symptoms, terms of the settlement etc..  In addition no matter the size of the settlement, large or SMALL, that settlement will close your case and you will not be allowed to participate in any other legal actions on this matter.  In your description of your conversation I see too many "red flags".  This has the smell of a scam designed to remove people from the pool of litigants, make them pay for it, and get very little for their pain and suffering.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

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excellent advice, i appreciate it.  i feel you are right on all counts, and what you said last is especially relevant since they naturally seek the most potentially damaging cases to take on (aka "weed out").  i asked if any of their activities are directly or indirectly paid for, subsidized by, or affiliated with pharm corp money.  they said no, but who wouldnt??  they tried to shoe-horn me into signing over my medical history (which is in the same binding contract as hiring them at all) and i told them that i need to do more research and seek legitimization and advice.  i felt kinda scummy even giving over any of my information (the duration of medication usage and withdrawal, etc), but they could trawl the internet for that stuff quite simply so i didnt draw the line until it came to signing away my rights and utter privacy.

 

i also didnt think about a prevailing gag order...they mentioned being unable to discuss case details while things are cooking (which is 2 years minimum, they said), but i didnt think about after that, or also the extent to which that could interfere with actual medical treatment (ie therapeutic conversations and such on here).  and, of course, violating the gag order means im in the red just like revoking their access to my materials.  they claimed i could participate in as many suits as i wanted for the same medications and symptoms (which sounds insane to me, as i noted above), but their go-to answers for everything from why forms were structured the way they were---lacking the names of the firm/individuals who will be accessing my medical records!---to who i can contact to verify their claims and build trust were things like "did you read our website?" and "im just the intake, but if you sign the form we can schedule for someone to call you back" and "i dont have the answer to that".

 

no, your company website is not a means of externally corroborating or regulating the claims of your company.

 

they got my primary psychiatrists name.  they will prolly try to dig up some clients and cold-call them for all i know.  the guy [my last longstanding psychiatrist] wasnt a ******...not, strictly speaking, highly ethical, and he was dismissive of my severe symptoms from treatment, but he at least advised me to taper on and off meds and i read and signed a "i might keel over in ten seconds" form every time i started a new one with him.  though, mr moneybags wanted an 8x10 photo print of mine at-cost whereas i sell them for $30 at art shows including an in-person discount (and im just beginning my career, sick as i am, so im sure it will only rise from there).  i was paying the dude out of pocket for years because i had no insurance and, when i finally got disability, he wasnt covered anyway and i thought it was unwise to chuck his evil schemes mid-flight for someone elses evil schemes.

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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Of course they're not funded by pharma, they're suing pharma.

 

There are many of these legal firms specializing in drug injury cases. You would discuss your case with them before giving them any records. You can easily ask them for their bona fides and check the reputation of the firm.

 

See our other topics in this forum about the Cymbalta law suits, for example.

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having roundabout kickbacks for mitigating the damage of serious claims by consolidating (potentially more damaging) independent cases into a single (less costly overall) class action wouldnt be a fiscally unsound move by big pharma.  they know theyre gonna get sued no matter what they do, so trying to minimize payouts and deflect future liability would be prescient.  i dont know if this is something that happens or not, or if thats even how things can work, but its hard to find out before its too late when it comes to some backdoor connections so i am trying to exercise even more caution than usual (given sleep deprivation and paranoid psychosis and whatnot).

 

they didnt do much discussing before asking for records---they wanted everything up front to evaluate things most fully as soon as possible.  i basically just said "yes i took this drug.  yes i experienced these listed withdrawal symptoms."  punch in my personal info (address, DOB, timeline for medicating) and they are wanting my medical release without my ever even speaking to an actual attorney.  its not unprecedented, but is pretty fast-tracked and a 5-minute phone call is not enough to convince me to sign away lord even knows what rights (unexplained by them) by locking myself into both a case and privacy-less arrangement.  i asked a lot of questions regarding who will have access to my records and how i can be assured of the security of the situation and there were no up front answers, just referring me to persons and places that contact information was not provided for.  they speak primarily through allusion..."the attorney" and "our website" and "online" instead of phone numbers and email addresses when i asked for specific details.  their website has information, but not to the questions i was asking, and there is not a wide variety of contact methods available on there---they mostly just lead to the same place, which is where i was already asking them.

 

i will be asking them some more questions, though, once i sort out where to send queries---they did constantly offer callbacks (but im rarely awake during business hours during some withdrawal cycles).  i had read some of the suit topics, but i need more specific aid (not necessarily from someone on here) regarding the particulars of what exactly id be signing away.  i dont want to prevent myself from seeking therapeutic help or advice, or create a situation where i cannot advocate against medication abuses in the future.  i read, in very brief research, that personal injury from something like this can mean individualized payouts that are specific to the particular damages to each person, so not a pittance spread thin far and wide, but i suppose i just need to be asking a lot of questions.  they were intent on rushing some aspects of it, and said i can just get help with my questions after i sign away my rights, which brings on some of the skepticism ive been expressing.

 

its clear they are an actual firm with a physical office and lawyers in good standing (to my knowledge and thus-far limited checking), and win money for their clients and such...my concern is about the treatment of my specific case---what am i trading away and what can i potentially gain.  those are not things that can be answered by anyone but them, in most aspects, but the difficulty in obtaining that information from them while im in a live conversation with them (wherein i am being pressured to sign essentially irrevocable documents) was itself concerning and provoked a suspiciousness.

 

i appreciate your encouragement, and also apologize that i cant keep things brief for the life of me right now.

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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" i read and signed a "i might keel over in ten seconds" form every time i started a new one with him"

I never in my life signed such a paper I find it interesting that you did, it makes me wonder why there is a difference... I realize there could be many reasons. I still find it odd as I talked to people all over the world about WD and never heard this before.. yes I know it could be not mentioned maybe that is it. 

 

I think the time limit will eventually be challenged if it has not been already given the extensive time frame of wd for some Ad users and long term affects of drugging, once it is all known.  The idea that your able to sign any legally binding contract when your ill in wd is another challenge I see coming.  There are more than a few people who have done things under the influence of these drugs who could not sue till after they were well enough to withstand court proceedings.  I am not sure but I do know that wills begin with being of sound mind... sound mind is not a term I would use to describe anyone in wd.  Nothing personal and I am not saying you in particular it is a blanket statement.. yes I know some people have no issues or are done in a couple of years but just some. 

 

I of course do not know but I envision a bonus should they get a signed contract.. like a call center sort of deal.  Easy and cheap to run with limited knowledge backing up their training as why would they bother most people calling are easily confused with impaired memory... easy to con... so you get those comments did you not read the website... blah blah blah... I trust your ability to read a website and believe you when you say you questions were not answered by them.  

 

If you truly want to do this maybe a lawyer with an office you can go to as a first contact would be a better idea and pay him a retainer immediately ... without a retainer I hear he is not obligated to keep your conversation private. Not sure if it is true but I would not doubt it I am the jaded one remember.  

 

I think the chance of settling too soon before you know what the long term effects of consuming the drugs... may be rushing it... tho I hear the time limit... I just don't think it should be written in stone given the way wd can be prolonged. 

 

The class action I was referring to was for an AP causing diabetes... there were varying degrees of payments for that too I think but not much variance.  

 

This I know to have an offer to settle for $700 buck like happened in the AP case... after I signed over my rights... well that may be just too much for me... $700 was less than I made in a wk... to suffer thu wd and all the side effects... for years and get a wks pay...lol not to mention personal losses... home money all that... not a good idea.  I think if they are attempting to do this type of litigation they need to learn the issues of wd ect and I would not trust a lawyer that did not understand at least that much.  Otherwise how could they possibly represent you?  

 

I agree pharma will move on .. already we see marketing of ADs shifting to treat pain... look at this if you like it is long and tedious 

but shows marketing to chronic pain patients.. I am not a buyer considering my time on drugs to treat pain... no thanks to that too.. a new spin has been developed this is like direct marketing in my mind... a researcher I just don't buy his science. Maybe I am just not buying anymore.. that could be. 

 

Now the idea of pharma going to HELP WD??!!  That is interesting are they running this site and promoting the truth of the situation... sorry I just don't see any help for us other than this site... hence the question. Perhaps the video above which lumps pain in with drug reactions ect... all caused by you got it neurotransmitters... not buying ... think I said that :)

 

I am curious how you see pharma helping in wd?  If the video is part of the reframing of wd as another chemical imbalance... maybe it is in there... but not all of it the pain the chemical sensitivities... but I know how they work if this flies they will add to it.. big. 

 

Please be careful with your medical records and don't be pushed into signing anything... ever. 

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

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 apologize that i cant keep things brief for the life of me right now

 

I just wanted to say... I recognize this... I know it from the inside out the way your writing just now shows how your thinking and I have been there... I don't know if it is some difficulty I have with remembering thinking this way or if it is some cognitive shift I am in now that makes understanding it and indeed much clarity undefinable for me just now... in this stage but I know where you are. 

 

There are shifts all the time and none of this is ever documented but if it were I am sure a pattern would evolve I am not sure what it would tell us that could be thought tangible maybe something on a pattern to certain recoveries.  I just wanted to tell you I see it.. and that I know it. I am not sure why... just wanted to tell you. 

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

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the consent forms were to keep him safe from legal action and also to inform me quite explicitly of the risks you see in the psych med literature.  so id peruse and ask "what is akathisia?" and "what is tardive dyskinesia?"---because even though i had studied psych meds before i was ever taking them, my memory was already shot by the time i was signing half those forms anyway.  they werent the black box book of 100 symptoms per medication, but the standard pharmacy print-out type thing.

 

however, when i had a 3 day long panic attack precipitated by the antipsychotic geodon, he advised me to keep on the same dose.  i think he allowed me to taper back when antipsychotics were causing mild flutters of dyskinesia (nothing nearly as serious as now), but he denied all medication involvement in the destruction of my memory and cognition, and even a lot of my weight gain.  he actually had the audacity to claim that, if anything, its the weed messing everything up.  well, i quit the psych meds and kept with the occasional cannabis and guess whose theory won out?

 

you are right, though---i do NOT feel functional enough to be responsibly considering my legal situation and the options residing within the different paths presented.  in withdrawal, i have had emotional issues, impulsivity issues, problems with memory and cognition and understanding, etc.  all the standard stuff.  and they seem more set up to deal with, as you said, the people already through it all---the people who had some weeks or months of terror (or, moderate pain, given that they mostly listed some of the less endangering side effects).

 

i dont have a specific interest in pursuing reparation through legal means...i never saw that as a meaningful or even necessarily viable option, so i am not interested in doing anything that would have up-front costs or be so involving that it deteriorates my health even further.  i also share the concern that trying for a settlement too early could mean missing out on compensation for even more insidious or long term side effects, or higher payments due to the court becoming more informed about the severe nature of protracted withdrawal.  but, since they said itd take 2 years to take it federal, any sort of help is a long time away anyway.  but i do figure that i may still be withdrawing to meaningful severity in another 2 years, and would really be helped by a cash sum.  it would probably disqualify me for my disability benefits, but i might be able to retain my healthcare and then reapply for disability payments (if i needed them/once the lump sum was invested into life necessities or living expenses).  if i am healthy enough to work more significantly then, it could be seed money for an art career, as there is a kinda pricey technological buy-in cost.

 

$700 is pretty pitiful, yeah.  thats a fuckin breadcrumb, and an affront.  to my knowledge, these people are proposing something more individualized and compensatory.  since it was never an aspiration, i have not done research into the 'best' personal injury firm for this sort of thing, or how to test the qualities and qualifications when i am looking for them.  it is, most often, beyond my ability to put forth effort, concentration, and the manual mental and physical labor required.  but, it is a consideration, at this point.  and, seeing how long it would take to make progress, i might be best off making it a summertime goal.

 

id be interested in the video if i had the energy and attention span.  i saw you posted it elsewhere for comment.  big pharma 'moving on' to 'treat withdrawal' was meant to be taken on their terms, to be clear.  cooking up drugs and procedures that supposedly aid in recovery from/dealing with the symptoms brought on by their other drugs and procedures.  so probably nothing curative, and most likely a marketable combination of snake oil and further damaging chemical poison.  the great thing about being a drug company is that people acknowledge the necessity and fittingness of your existing---its rare people ask "why are you still taking that??" instead of "why are you not still taking that??"...the lack of an available cure is the impetus behind the majority of medicinal treatments in the western establishment.  (and even things that can cure, like antibiotics or some chemotherapies, are quite liable to cause the exact problems they are treating...infections, cancer, compromised bodies that fall ill to other maladies.)

 

my constant struggle with brevity, the past few years, has probably played a role in deteriorating my friendships and dating life.  its a side effect mentioned in the literature...your brain cant properly filter.

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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update: the phrase "protracted withdrawal" got dem on da run.  they asked for further history details after the cymbalta thing wasnt a good fit (due to the timetable), but the nature of protracted withdrawal or fact that 2012-2013 were the last dates of medicating has them less than eager.  (either that or because i asked a bunch of questions about their practices/the nature of the potential settlement, but thats a bit paranoid.)  they said to perhaps contact another firm, which i may or may not bother to do.  it was never a goal, and this seems like an uphill battle that few lawyers would want to touch and i myself am probably not an ideal case to push forward with even if someone found it a cause to support.

 

thanks for your collective and respective support and input!  ill let it sit a while.

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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Way to go on digging deeper and really checking things out.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

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update: the phrase "protracted withdrawal" got dem on da run.  they asked for further history details after the cymbalta thing wasnt a good fit (due to the timetable), but the nature of protracted withdrawal or fact that 2012-2013 were the last dates of medicating has them less than eager.  (either that or because i asked a bunch of questions about their practices/the nature of the potential settlement, but thats a bit paranoid.)  they said to perhaps contact another firm, which i may or may not bother to do.  it was never a goal, and this seems like an uphill battle that few lawyers would want to touch and i myself am probably not an ideal case to push forward with even if someone found it a cause to support.

 

thanks for your collective and respective support and input!  ill let it sit a while.

If you want to look into the history a bit I just found a link to an old site .... 

http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/thread/1195650408/expert+working+group+review+of+SSRIs+..........2004

 

I have not read it all but noticed this post I cannot explain but it is still interesting:

 

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Will that be why one or two US websites disappeared at around the time of the Paxil settlement over there?

 

    Respond to this message    admin Don't worry GSK, the 'seroxat' member here decided AGAINST joining the class action, so... November 22 2007, 11:51 AM 

this site will remain whatever happens re the UK seroxat / paxil class action, just in case you were wondering.

Your drugs therefore will continue to get the attention they deserve, alongside those of your fellow drug makers.

    Respond to this message    morse mssg for GSK November 22 2007, 12:18 PM 

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SSRI-Crusaders/

 

SSRI Crusaders will continue to expose your corruption long after you have finished your little dance with Mark Harvey.

&

thanks to the "way back" machine I will continue to expose corrupt lawyers who USE vulnerable clients in a process they call litigation but is nothing more than BLACKMAIL dressed up in media sensationalism.

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the site did not remain.. to the best of my knowledge it is gone too. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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