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solida

Hi btdt,nice Hearing from you-although you don t feel well either.

 

This update is only 6days old-lol-so no,there are no improvements-and I just said to a friend on the phone,that I can t remember beeing that sick for so long.

That scares me.Well,what can we do,but sitting still and wait.

 

lg solida

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btdt

I think I am losing patients again with the waiting... it happens over and over with me I lose my patients and start the search all over again for a" cure"or something to help at least I think I am doing this now.. seeking yet again.  Maybe desperate enough to try a supplement and make myself sicker again... really I wonder if I found the miracle drug today if I would have enough guts to take it ... I have NO TRUST so it makes it hard. Sorry I missed the date of the post ...only 6 days ago.. I don't always have an eye for details especially lately. 

Do you use any sort of meditation.. just curious cause when I get to the place where I can't do the shops that state... I do a lot more meditation or deep relaxation I get the off utube... the first one that comes up when you type in deep relaxation is the one I use most 

I  wish you peace

 

ps 

could be I just have no patients now period...

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solida

Just wrote you a loooong post-put your pm box is full!!!!

 

At the Moment I m listening a lot to Eckhart Tolle at you tube-he actually lives in Vancouver.love him.

 

my best remedy always was to walk in the forest-at the moment I feel really off after a longer walk.I m fed up as well with waiting.

 

during the first few years of withdrawal my inner guide told me I can  do nothing but to peel potatoes( matapher)-now I hate this picture.....lg

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btdt

keep it I will delete something I suck at house keeping in pms

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solida

you are in strong demand.

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btdt

you are in strong demand.

Ok it is ready i can get pms now...

 

I talk to a lot of people on here lately since having a rough go again... unable to sleep nights. there is not much else to do... in he middle of the night but talk to folks on here from Australia ect

 

Plus I keep old emails as long as I am able as my memory is so bad I forget what I said

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Rhiannon

On the topic of this thread, I was wondering if other people have chosen not to take antibiotics when they were supposed to.

 

I just had an extraction and two dental implants placed yesterday, and I was supposed to take amoxicillin for five days before and five days after. I took it for a day and a half the day before and the day of and last night after the surgery but I don't think I'm going to take it any more. I just feel like systemic antibiotics that mess up your entire microbiome of all your body--that's just too much damage. I'm using the germicidal mouthwash they gave me. 

 

Hopefully that will be enough. If not, oh well, guess I'll learn a lesson.

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solida

Hi Rhi-I m from Germany and here doctors hand out antibiotics very rarely and carefully.

For an extractation (I had two) it is not needed. For an Implantat they suggest AB for 3 days.

 

I had an radioectomy with a severe infection, I waited to long,but the doctor said that if I had shown up more quickly I had been fine without.

 

lg solida

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btdt

On the topic of this thread, I was wondering if other people have chosen not to take antibiotics when they were supposed to.

 

I just had an extraction and two dental implants placed yesterday, and I was supposed to take amoxicillin for five days before and five days after. I took it for a day and a half the day before and the day of and last night after the surgery but I don't think I'm going to take it any more. I just feel like systemic antibiotics that mess up your entire microbiome of all your body--that's just too much damage. I'm using the germicidal mouthwash they gave me. 

 

Hopefully that will be enough. If not, oh well, guess I'll learn a lesson.

I have not used it but there is a product called acilla max people here use it may be worth a look 

 

prescript assist  is suggested to help your body maintain its microbes while taking an antibiotic if it should turn out you need them.  

 

Wish I had taken it last year when I was needing all those antibiotics I did you a different kind of probiotic ... the prescript is formulated to take with antibiotics 

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Maybe

Hello all,

 

I have to take an antibiotic due to an urinary tract infection and I am afraid like hell to take any. Does anyone have a tip which one I should take? Someone gave me the hint to stay clear of fluoroquinolones, because they seem to be really bad. I tried to wait it out, but that makes no sense anymore.

 

Thanks for help in advance!

 

 

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NervousKitten

Why are you afraid of antibiotics? 

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Oh, I am afraid of every medicine now after I have had my negative reaction to Lexapro. I know people who were back to square one for some time (months) after they have taken an antibiotic. So I am very careful.

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westcoast

There is a very real and potentially lethal syndrome for some antibiotics. A very healthy friend was crippled by it; others have died. My friend experienced this, ruptured Achilles tendons:

http://www.webmd.com/osteoarthritis/news/20080708/fda-warning-cipro-may-rupture-tendons

 

Others have reported psychosis and deaths. I've seen two news stories in the last few weeks by women suing drug companies over their young husband's deaths. I don't know how common it is, but it's real. Worth doing your own internet searches.

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NervousKitten

I'm the same way! I try to stick to medications that I have taken in the past with no side effects. I developed a severe aversion to ZPak after doing research on it and saw FDA warnings. But I was also incredibly sick with a lung infection where I was coughing up large amounts of icky stuff. At that point it had turned into a bacterial infection and would have most likely gotten worse (I was put on a steroid inhaler and then prednisone it was so hard to breathe). There is a secondary risk to not taking the antibiotic where the infection could spread and you could become septic, which means you could be hospitalized and need IVs of powerful antibiotics. When that was explained to me, I choked down just enough doses for it to clear up and worked with my doctor to find a suitable replacement if the infection came back that didn't cause the same possible side effect. 

 

Gladly it didn't come back, but I would definitely recommend talking to your doctor and letting him know about your anxiety and looking for the most effective antibiotic that you can take that is least likely to give you side effects. Since my system is so sensitive, I usually ask for medications that would be prescribed for babies or the elderly.

 

Have you taken any sort of antibiotics previously? Anything you have taken in the past would be least likely to cause discomfort now.

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Maybe

Yes, Cipro is a dangerous antibiotic. It belongs to the group I wrote in my first posting. Took it once without problems, but would never take it again.

 

I took some antibiotics maybe 6 or 7 years ago, but I do not remember of what group they were. Guess I have to ask my "second" doctor (he is more into natural remedies) what he would prescribe. Those darn ADs have fucked everything up. Makes everything concerning health issues even more complicated...

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chicken

Absolutely do not take any floroquinolones! like Cipro, Levequin, Avelox and the like. Google the safe antibiotic list for those who have been "floxed."

 

The older ones like penecillin appear to be safer.

 

There is another thread on here about antibiotics with the safer ones listed.

 

Glad you are doing your research. You will not regret it.

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chicken

Cipro reacted with My AD I was tapering and I was never able stabilize. Had to switch to another AD. Cipro is nasty stuff.

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Wildflower0214

If you have a UTI, take D-Mannose. You can buy it at the natural food store! Don't take an antibiotic if you don't have a positive culture either. Blood in urine does not mean you have an infection. This can be cystitis.

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compsports

I am hoping that the ENT that I am going to have do my septoplasty/turbinate reduction next month doesn't routinely prescribe antibiotics as a prophylactic measure like most ENTs do even though the research doesn't seem to support the practice.   But in case he does, I am definitely going to start taking probiotics so that my good bacteria doesn't get destroyed.

 

I will follow nervous kitten's advice about asking for one prescribed for the elderly.

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Brighid

As one who had a bout of recurring UTIs a couple of years ago (now better, thankfully), and also has had side effects to multiple antibiotics (as well as a bit of antibiotic resistance), I have landed on some strategies that I've learned the hard way. I'm not a doctor, so am just presenting lessons learned in my own particular case. (1) first and foremost, I don't rely on a simple office dipstick result--I always wait for a culture to come back before treating with anything. That way, I can be sure that I actually *have* an infection, and my doctor can choose the most targeted antibiotic that will be effective for my specific strain. Often, there will be a choice of more than one antibiotic that will be effective, and I can ask my doctor which one is less likely to cause me side effects. (2) I avoid broad-spectrum antibiotics, especially the fluroquinolones. Often doctors will prescribe a drug such as Cipro because it's a "catch-all" that's likely to be effective against multiple strains of bacteria, and they don't have to wait for the culture results to come back. But it's also more likely to cause side effects, some of them serious. I took Cipro once or twice in my life without incident, but the last time I took it I developed achilles tendinopathy and ended up in an orthopedic boot for weeks. (3) If I have a *true* UTI as indicated by a culture, I personally wouldn't fool around with not treating it, or looking for a natural alternative. Once the UTI has been effectively treated, one can always consider a maintenance dose of cranberry or other natural alternative to help the bladder resist future infections. Wishing you quick healing!

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Thank you all for your comments and advices! I will talk to my doctor again next week as all results (urine and smear test) have been negative so far, but I still got problems. That's why he wanted me to take Monuril.

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Wildflower0214

Ya, if you have negative urine culture, I would not touch antibiotics with a ten foot pole!

Just my opinion.

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Brighid

I have to agree with JDM here--I myself wouldn't take antibiotics without proof of bacterial infection. Luckily I have a doctor who won't prescribe them for UTI symptoms unless she sees a positive culture. 

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The question is, what can one do if the results are negative, but the problems are still there? I tried some natural remedy, to no avail.

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Meimeiquest

What exactly are your symptoms?

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Wildflower0214

The question is, what can one do if the results are negative, but the problems are still there? I tried some natural remedy, to no avail.

If the results are negative you may just have interstitial cystitis. You don't need an antibiotic when there is no infection. If you have taken AD, bladder dysfunction is a known side effect. It feels like an infection. I've had this on and off for months.

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Well, it is solely at the end (close to the glans) of the urethra. Sometimes a prickling and sometimes pain, sometimes it is gone for some days. That are the "only" symtpoms so far.

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Meimeiquest

That doesn't sound like a UTI to me. Hopefully others will have some suggestions.

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Wildflower0214

That sounds a bit like PGAD. it doesn't sound like an infection.

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Aeroman

I recovered from Lexapro withdrawal sometime in 2011.

 

I took Cipro in July 2014 and started to get nausea, anxiety, depression, and vertigo days after I finished.  5 months later, I experienced my first auditory hallucination/psychosis event.  I am at Month 7 post Cipro and not 100%.  Stay away from all Fluoroquinolones!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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Hey Aeroman,
Very sorry to hear that! I followed your story back in the Paxil forum, as I wash short behind you with WD.

 

If I recall correctly, I took Cipro some months before I had my negative reaction. Wonder if that might have had an influence...

 

I hope you are feeling much better soon!

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compsports

Aeroman, I am also very sorry about your situation.   I can't imagine what you are feeling after thinking you were out of the woods only to have this setback.

 

As one who will be given antibiotics prophylacticaly after my septoplasty (don't even get me started), I wanted to suggest that anyone who is prescribed this medicine also take pro biotics at the same time.  Of course, check with your doctor.  It just seems that any doctor who doesn't suggest this is missing the boat even if he/she has good intentions.

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Brighid

 

As one who will be given antibiotics prophylacticaly after my septoplasty (don't even get me started), I wanted to suggest that anyone who is prescribed this medicine also take pro biotics at the same time. 

I can't agree with this more! I take a maintenance dose of probiotics daily (it works for me), but if I have to take an antibiotic, I go to the health food store and ask for the big guns--something with a kaziillion per dose. I also was prescribed a small dose of antibiotics prophylactically when I had a string of recurrent UTIs, and I ended up with a candida infection in my esophagus. (It was discovered during an endoscopy related to symptoms of GERD, which it turned out I *didn't* have.) Scared the heck out of me at the time, but my GI doc assured me that he himself had contracted an esophageal infection from long-term antibiotic use, and that it's not all that unusual. I find that most mainstream doctors are OK with recommending probiotics these days, so I suspect there shouldn't be much resistance to using them. 

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compsports

 

 

As one who will be given antibiotics prophylacticaly after my septoplasty (don't even get me started), I wanted to suggest that anyone who is prescribed this medicine also take pro biotics at the same time. 

I can't agree with this more! I take a maintenance dose of probiotics daily (it works for me), but if I have to take an antibiotic, I go to the health food store and ask for the big guns--something with a kaziillion per dose. I also was prescribed a small dose of antibiotics prophylactically when I had a string of recurrent UTIs, and I ended up with a candida infection in my esophagus. (It was discovered during an endoscopy related to symptoms of GERD, which it turned out I *didn't* have.) Scared the heck out of me at the time, but my GI doc assured me that he himself had contracted an esophageal infection from long-term antibiotic use, and that it's not all that unusual. I find that most mainstream doctors are OK with recommending probiotics these days, so I suspect there shouldn't be much resistance to using them. 

 

Hi Brighid,

 

I am so sorry you suffered so much from antibiotics.   Having an infection in your esophagus sounds very scary.

 

My ENT feels that because I will only be on them a week, my risk of side effects is minimal.    Famous last words.

 

Right now, I am taking Trader Joes probiotics but am interested in something stronger and have bookmarked some brands on Amazon that reviewers said helped with lessening side effects from antibiotics.

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Brighid

That sounds like a really good strategy, compsports--bookmarking probiotics touted for use with antibiotics. I wish I could remember the name of the brand I took when I went to the health food store (where there is a young guy who is super knowledgeable and kind), but it's out of my head now. I suspect there isn't any one brand that's best for use with antibiotics; I just go for one that's stronger in terms of numbers and strains. 

And yeah, I've been through the mill when it comes to antibiotics (and other meds)! I've always been sensitive, but now that I'm in withdrawal I seem to have gone over the top. Last year I took a z-pac for a sinus infection (only when my ENT insisted, and I literally couldn't breathe), and the next morning I woke up with big red lumps on my shins known as "erythema nodusum." It's not like I could be suggestible about getting this side effect--I had never heard of it (apparently some sort of inflammatory response), and the doc was so baffled he took photographs for my record and put me through tests to see if it could be from something else, like strep. But no--I stopped the drug, and the bumps went away. 

I used to say that if someone in the next apartment took a medication, I would get their side effects. And it's often something I've never heard of or thought of!

 

But my reaction is not at all typical. I suspect you'll be absolutely fine with just a week's worth of antibiotics together with probiotics. Wishing you all the best with your septoplasty! You will be in my thoughts.

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Patoski

Hi I've had an inflamed pain radiating from my pelvis e area I would like to know if any other men have experienced this in with drawel I had my prostate checked and it came back O k it's painful it's not there all the time and if I knew it was withdrawel symptoms I couldu grin and bare it like every thing else I am 9 months of ads cold turkey and I have just had a month on antibiotics and it was terrible. In view of what I've been reading I'm hoping to get some feed back thank you all in antisepation God bless

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