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Meimeiquest

There are some threads on healing the gut. Somewhere there is a section where Alto discusses her work with a functional medicine practitioner. Good luck in deciding about flying...you know, we usually make it through...we're survivors :)

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Celeste

Yes I've been able to find some good gut info. Since I don't tolertlate probiotics right now I'm eating prebiotic foods every day which I do tolerate. I had such a weird reaction to the Bactrim. I was already starting to have vision problems which were related to WD that got worse with the Bactrim and then just more autonomic nervous system dysfunction like not being able to tolerate stress and a weird like depersonalization feeling. It didn't go away after I stopped but fortunately it seems to be lessening day by day. And I did get on the flight! Hopefully some R n R will help get me back to normal.

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btdt

Former FDA commissioner Margaret Hamburg named in massive conspiracy and racketeering lawsuit involving Johnson & Johnson, a Wall Street hedge fund, and the Levaquin drug

 

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/053767_Margaret_Hamburg_FDA_commissioner_conspiracy_and_racketeering.html#ixzz499qHFFCR

 

 

very long article here is some of it

 

 

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Horrible side effects from the drug destroyed the lives of countless victims

From the lawsuit:

From May 2009 to March 2015, Plaintiffs suffered mitochondrial toxicity, neuropsychiatric adverse events, and multi-system disability related to their consumption of Levaquin, including a constellation of medical issues related to the following body systems: neuromuscular, neuropsychiatric, peripheral neuropathy, senses, skin, cardiovascular, plus, endocrine, nutritional, metabolic and immunity; blood and blood forming organs; circulatory system; respiratory system; digestive system; genitourinary system; and connective tissue.

Specifically, Plaintiffs suffer from a constellation of medical issues, including but not limited to widespread bodily pain, fatigue, muscle weakness, muscle twitching, muscle wasting, gait disturbances, severe balance issues, stiffness, spasms, joint pain, tendon issues, seizures, tremors, numbness, burning, tingling, fasciculation, spasticity, nerve damage, autonomic issues, voice issues, exercise intolerance, difficulty swallowing, slow digestive motility, abdominal pain, acid reflux, gastritis, nausea, constipation, diarrhea, colitis, cognitive impairment, memory impairment, cardiac issues, urinary issues, kidney damage, liver damage, pancreatic damage, thyroid abnormalities, hair loss, glucose issues, respiratory issues, emotional issues, depression, psychosis, depersonalization, dissociation, anxiety, insomnia, abnormal dreams, suicidal thoughts, thought alterations, agitation, fatigue, dizziness, inability to concentrate, panic attacks, difficulty communicating, forgetfulness, bruising, vision issues, hearing issues, tinnitus, dental issues, gum issues, skin issues, rashes, multiple chemical sensitivity, sexual dysfunction, reproductive issues, and DNA damage.



Highlights of the complaint

You can read the complaint here, posted by the Daily Caller News Foundation. I've extracted some of the highlights of the complaint for reference, shown below.

This Amended Complaint sets forth allegations that involve a conspiracy by Defendants, each and every one of them, to reap large financial returns by failing to disclose to Plaintiffs and the public at large the full extent of the devastating, life-threatening, and deadly effects of a highly dangerous pharmaceutical drug named Levaquin.

Dr. Margaret A. Hamburg was nominated as a result of huge political and other gratuities to Hillary Clinton and The Clinton Foundation, and at Mrs. Clinton's recommendation. During the confirmation process before Congress, Dr. Margaret A. Hamburg, acting in concert with her husband, Peter F. Brown and the other Defendants named in this Amended Complaint, at all material times the Co-CEO of a hedge fund named Renaissance Technologies, L.L.C., failed to disclose to Congress and other relevant authorities, her and her husband's clear-cut conflict of interest – specifically, that Renaissance Technologies, L.L.C. held hundreds of millions of dollars of Johnson & Johnson stock, the manufacturer of the deadly drug, Levaquin.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/053767_Margaret_Hamburg_FDA_commissioner_conspiracy_and_racketeering.html#ixzz499r0cRcc

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compsports

This response may be off topic but I wanted to alert people that just because medical professionals advise you to take antibiotics as a prophylactic measure to guard against a very small chance of an infection after a procedure doesn't mean you need to do it.    I didn't take them after a septoplasty and teeth extraction and did fine.   

 

I did fill the prescriptions just as a precautionary measure in case I developed an infection.   But they were not needed.

 

From my research on even regular antibiotics, I just feel the risks outweigh any benefits in these types of situations.  

 

Obviously, do your homework.

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Chuck83

Ciprofloxacin had proposed me for prostatitis, but I refused to take it, my friend was injured by this antibiotic, now He is suffering from disabilities related to fluoroquinolones, and a doctor at the hospital where I had work have the rupture of the Achilles tendon due to Ciprofloxacin.

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marie123

I was having frequent urination, burning and pain in my bladder area so I went to m family doctor. He gave me a urine test and a script for Bactrim. I took the Bactrim and it seemed to work, the pain was gone and the frequent urination improved. The first night I took it I had trouble going asleep and was restless the whole night. It continued to give me trouble with insomnia during the week's course. It is now a week later and I still have insomnia from it. I have trouble falling asleep and I wake up a bunch of times. I took it about 7 months ago and it did give me insomnia then, but cleared up once I was off of it.

 

I think the UTI did not go away completely as I am still having burning in the bladder/urethra area on the left side. It feels uncomfortable but not as bad as when I first went to the doc. The doctor did call me a few days after I took the urine test and confirmed it was a UTI. I wonder if he did a culture or it was a quick test. Since the first antibiotic did not knock it out, I am going back on Monday if I can get an appointment. I am allergic to penicillin so my choices are limited. I know to avoid cipro. What's really funny is I used to ask for Cipro anytime I had an infection. It seemed to knock out any infection I had. I never had any problems with it.

 

Any suggestions for another antibiotic (not penicillin)? I am a bit nervous since Bactrim already revved me up. Thanks guys and gals.

 

Marie

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Mellie

I have some interesting information—and even more questions—about the use of fluoroquinolones (Cipro, Levaquin, etc.) following SSRI withdrawal. Hoping some of the research enthusiasts on this board might have some insights.

 

The FDA has already issued a black box warning (http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm513183.htm) about limiting their use for uncomplicated UTIs, sinus infections, etc. because of the risk of  disabling and potentially permanent side effects including "involving tendons, muscles, joints, nerves and the central nervous system." The CNS symptoms that can occur sound a lot like SSRI and benzo withdrawal: dizziness, malaise, weakness, impaired coordination, nightmares, insomnia, headaches, agitation, anxiety, panic attacks, disorientation, impaired concentration or memory, confusion, depersonalization, hallucinations, psychoses.

 

There is already some research indicating that fluoroquinolones should be avoided in people either currently dependent on or withdrawing from benzos. Some say they should also be avoided by anyone who has ever gone through benzo withdrawal:

"Benzodiazepine tolerance, dependency, and withdrawal syndromes and interactions with fluoroquinolone antimicrobials" 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2435654/

 

The article cited above noted that taking these antibiotics threw benzo users into "acute benzodiazepine withdrawal which included depression, anxiety, psychosis, paranoia, severe insomnia, paraesthesia, tinnitus, hypersensitivity to light and sound, and tremors."

 

According to the report, possible explanations for the adverse fluoroquinolone-induced reactions include:
  • Fluoroquinolones compete directly with benzodiazepines for the benzodiazepine receptor site displacing benzodiazepines and precipitating an acute withdrawal effect.
  • Alterations in the GABAA–benzodiazepine receptor complex (during benzodiazepine tolerance/dependency status) may increase fluoroquinolone-induced stimulation of the receptor complex.
  • Benzodiazepine dose-tapering and/or cessation might be associated with GABAergic underactivity but rebound neuro-excitation following fluoroquinolone exposure.

Any thoughts on what this might mean for those withdrawing from SSRIs or in protracted withdrawal? I would think we're more vulnerable, too. I have a personal stake in this, as I'm 5 days into a course of Levaquin for a serious wound complication following my mastectomy. I just discovered this info and it makes me nervous, to say the least. I've already spoken with the doctor about a switch, but apparently it's my best chance of avoiding an infection that would necessitate 2 further surgeries.

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Mellie

Here's more from http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=36633.0:

 

A WORD OF CAUTION REGARDING FLUOROQUINOLONE ANTIBIOTICS
Studies have found that Fluoroquinolone antibiotics can have adverse effects on people that are dependant on Benzodiazapines. Fluoroquinolones have been found to competitively displace benzodiazepines from benzodiazepine receptors which can precipitate acute withdrawal. A study confirmed that fluoroquinolone CNS toxicity can be serious, occuring more frequently in benzodiazepine dependent subjects and concluded that fluoroquinolone antibiotics should be contraindicated in patients who are dependent on or in benzodiazepine withdrawal. A person with an already compromised GABA system (for example, one going through benzodiazepine withdrawal) is likely to be at an even greater risk of severe adverse reactions.*emphasis my own
It should be noted that not everyone who is withdrawing from a benzodiazepine would have problems with this class of antibiotic. No one should ever disregard their doctor’s advice. We encourage you to speak with your doctor anytime you have a question about any prescription medication.
 
Are those suffering from SSRI post-withdrawal syndrome believed to have a compromised GABA system?

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Kestrel777

I was on Lexapro 2.5 mg then 5 mg for 6 years. It took me 2 years to wean off. I also had a horrible experience with Cipro! Please, can anyone tell me what experiences they had with Cipro? I was given it for any upper respiratory infection I had very freely, even for a dental cleaning. One day I went into anaphylaxis and nearly died. This was back in 2003. My doctor said that Cipro can make your joints explode. I have trouble with all of my joints now. I had no idea there were psychological effects from taking Cipro. 

 

Your help will be appreciated! Please move this post to the right place if needed. 

 

Kestrel

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Happy2Heal

I just found out I've been exposed to rat bite fever. The vet who euthanized my pet rat has it, she was bitten by him that day, and I was bitten twice that day by him as well (he had never bitten before but he was in a lot of pain)

If I get it, I'll need antibiotics

 

I'm allergic to the -cillins (amox, penicillin) which is the usual treatment.
I don't know what else they use when you're allergic but I"ve seen some folks here had issues with antibiotics, so I thought I'd ask, in case I come down wiht rat bite fever (I've got about a week to go before I'm in the clear)

 

sure hope I don't get it, it sounds awful. It's also pretty rare, so I'm surprised to hear the vet has it. I wonder if she's 100 % sure it came from my rat, they treat other rats and rodents. Even though it's called rat bite fever, you can get it from other animals

 

 

 

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Jamieandlexapro

I believe I have neurotoxicity of the brain from flagyl and lexapro, as I reinstated lexapro at the same time I took flagyl, but don’t know what to blame, but here are most of my symptoms from the past 11 months 

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littleball

This morning I took a tablet of Cipro for E. Coli infection and I feel a strange weakness at my wrists and legs. And I don't know if it is just my impression but the itchiness and the burning sensations have worsened. Is it damage?

Oh gosh, you can imagine how scared I am of being thrown again in the hell caused by toxic medicines. I can see the light but now I have fear, I am starting my very first job in a week, I can no longer afford staying ill at home for a very long time. 

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Dabhob33

Is there research info out there or experience from one of our members that damage from taking levaquin while on benzos eventually heals?

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ChessieCat

There was an existing topic about levaquin.  Please see Post #1 of this topic.

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savinggrace

Hi, 

i am in week three of a nasty post-flu sinus infection. While I have a lifelong history of infections, and 3 surgeries in the 90’s, I have managed to stay off anti-biotics for almost six years. I avoid EVERYTHING so as not to interfere w/ my taper. I am terrified that I can’t get through this infection without drugs. I know fluroquinolones are absolutely contraindicated. I have many severe reactions to antibiotics. Does anyone know which antibiotics are less likely to increase my w/d symptoms and/or de-stabilize me further?

 

if this is not appropriate to be posted here, please move it. I could not find a topic under tapering about antibiotics. I thought I might not be the only one with this question. 

 

Any/all help would be greatly appreciated. 

 

Grace

 

 

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savinggrace

 Please help,

 

i have waited so long  to try and beat this sinus infection that it is now worse and HAVE TO take an antibiotic. I have gone 6 years w/o them. I am allergic to many and they all “unhinge” me. We settled on cefdinir (cephalosporin)

 

my question is this...I have serious GI issues. I don’t take probiotics as these too interfere with my taper. I MUST take one now  though. Do I take it along side the antibiotic or before or after? If the antibiotic is killing the good and the bad bacteria, should I just wait until I am done w/ the antibiotic?  Or will the probiotic help along with the antibiotic. I am so scared. I have no choice. I have heightened w/d with anything I take or change. 

 

Thank you you for any help. 

 

Grace

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marie123

Hi Grace. I'm sorry to hear about your sinus infection. I am also sensitive to just about anything during withdrawal. I once took a probiotic daily for a few days and it revved up my symptoms  including insomnia. Once I stopped it all was fine.  I had a bad uti during w/d and just ate some good greek yogurt. Can you just have some yogurt instead? If you must take a probiotic do so, but know that if it revs you up, it's only temporary. I hope you feel better soon.

 

Marie

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marie123

I forgot to mention I was taking an antibiotic (Bactrim) and that revved me up too. The uti did not clear completely so I took Keflex. I believe I had a worse reaction to Keflex because I am allergic to penicillin. My other choice given to me by me doc was Cipro, but I nixxed that one.

 

Marie

 

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ChessieCat
1 hour ago, savinggrace said:

Do I take it along side the antibiotic or before or after?

 

A quick google of take probiotic while taking antibiotic

 

Should You Take Probiotics With Antibiotics? » The Candida Diet

https://www.thecandidadiet.com/probiotics-while-on-antibiotics/

 

To maximize the beneficial effect of the probiotics, take them at least 2 hours apart from your dosage of antibiotics. This way as few as possible of the 'good bacteria' will get killed by the antibiotics in your gut.

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savinggrace

Thank up Chessie. I just wondered if they are doing anything at all DURING the course of antibiotics. 

 

I am having increased abdominal pain, not severe, but no other issues YET. 4 doses of antibiotics so far. So afraid of the long term effect on my gut, especially with SIBO, but I really had no choice. I am trying hard to be brave and envision myself getting better and it not affecting my withdrawal. 

 

Thank you for reminding me about histamine. I haven’t been taking probiotics at all and this is one of the reasons. 

 

Grace

 

 

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anona

Hi,

 

I'm wondering if Cifixime 400 mg. once per day for seven days is going to negatively impact my slow withdrawal from Paxil and Ativan.

 

I'm already experiencing heightened anxiety after each dose (or maybe it's in my head?) however this is listed as one of the side effects of this medication. 

 

TIA

 

 

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ryan1982

Hey all, 

I was prescribed Levaquin after surgery last week and made it 6 days before realizing my anxiety was being caused by this drug. Does anyone have experience with anxiety caused by antibiotics and how long will it last?

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ryan1982

Thanks so much. Another drug that has destabilized my CNS...ugh. 

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DMV64

I have yet another sinus infection and have to go on Augmentin again. This antibiotic usually doesn’t cause me too many problems but I still always feel like crap whatever I’m on antibiotics. I’m allergic to my dog and I keep getting sinus infections but I just can’t bear to let her go. It seems that the antibiotics to make my anxiety much worse

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alex

Hello all.

It's been some time since my last post.

I am doing much better, windows more clearer and bad days not as bad. I am sleeping much better most of the nights though I know there is more healing ahead.

I wanted to ask some information about antibiotics because I am maybe facing prostate infection and taking antibiotics just scares the hell out of me.

I would really appreciate any information.

It gets better believe it.

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historygal

Don't take antibiotics unless you need to as they do interact and interfeere with WD, I was put on Strong doses and had a strong reaction to them and have a feeling that's why my WD is taking much longer than anticipated. Can you look at natural forms to help fight infection?? 

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alex

thank you for your kind answer historygal.

Yes, I'm trying to avoid antibiotics, or if I have to use them, avoid quinolones, but I would like more information.

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historygal

Unfortunately no one knows whether they will react or not and Doctors are still failing to understand the concept of WD let alone trying to explain to put you on other forms of antibiotics. My advice would be to avoid them. Look up non medical natural forms of helping infections, unless you are truly desperate but several members have also reported WD from using antibiotics too. So just be careful. Seek natural remedies, talk to a naturopath etc or research.alternatives :)

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trenace

Hi just thought I'd chime in. Antibiotics may set you back quite a bit I would avoid them at all costs personally. Live and learn lol. 

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Meimeiquest
On 4/6/2019 at 3:46 PM, alex said:

thank you for your kind answer historygal.

Yes, I'm trying to avoid antibiotics, or if I have to use them, avoid quinolones, but I would like more information.

Alex, so glad I saw your post, so glad you’re feeling better!  https://draxe.com/prostatitis/

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eboyd

Has anyone else had issues with their body fighting off infections or responding to antibiotics?  I have a bizarre and really bad ear infection that is not responding well to antibiotics.  Ibuprofen 800mg doesn't help with the pain, but 500mg of tylenol does which is strange.  My body has been having all sorts of odd symptoms ranging from eczema, to cysts, to wounds that heal a lot slower than normal.  Just curious if anyone else has had these problems as well.

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Kittygiggles

Hi @eboyd, it wouldn't surprise me if an SSRI (and its withdrawal) could interfere with infection tolerance and wound healing but that is based on speculation alone. Being stressed, having disrupted sleep, a poor diet, and going through SSRI continuation or withdrawal is probably going to make fighting infections and healing wounds harder. You could mention your SSRI use/withdrawal with your doctor to see if it changes their treatment options for you. I hope you find relief soon. 

 

I will add my experience to this thread: having been bitten by a tick about 10 days ago and facing some odd, deep leg-muscle aches and burning, along with leg weakness, and a feeling of a very slight flu, I am concerned about Lyme. I have doxycycline for 14 days (although I will try to get 21 days according to more recent guidelines) but I am nervous of a reaction. However, there is no alternative when one could be facing Lyme. There's no way to confirm a diagnosis this early but treating it this soon confers the greatest chance of eradicating the infection. Having now increased my Lyme disease research to almost 25 hours of time I wish I'd spent doing something else, I know antibiotics are my only option.

 

Right before the end of my taper, I get a damn tick. 

Why couldn't the tick bite me in a few months, when I'd be free of fluoxetine? 

 

I've taken doxycycline before without issue, if I recall correctly, but only as single doses. Hopefully it all goes well. I'll update the thread on how it went, if I proceed, which seems likely as these symptoms are not disappearing. 

 

Hope you're all feeling better.

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