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Be cautious about taking supplements, no matter how glowing the reviews.
 
People whose nervous systems have been sensitized by withdrawal and adverse reactions to psychoactive drugs can get odd reactions to supplements that a normal person would be able to take with no noticeable side effects.
 
We recommend that people with withdrawal hypersensitivity not take mixed supplements, because you won't know which of the ingredients you're reacting to.
 
Also, many of these supplements with "proprietary" mixtures of ingredients are extremely overpriced. You can be throwing hundreds of dollars away when you find you cannot take a mixed supplement -- while you could buy the ingredients separately at a fraction of the cost.
 
Specifically, we do not recommend Truehope, The Road Back, LabelMeSane supplements. See the site policy here No recommendations for commercial programs to assist withdrawal We have had many reports of people in withdrawal having bad reactions to these over-hyped products.
 
A "mixed supplement" means a supplement that has more than one ingredient in it. Rather, we suggest you try the ingredients one by one, purchasing inexpensive single-ingredient supplements and starting at fractional dosages, to see how they affect you.
 
Please use search in the Symptoms and Self-Care forum to find our discussions about the supplement in which you're interested.
 
To try a supplement, add one at a low dosage for several days. Keep notes of the dosage and your reaction. In that way, you can see what works and what doesn't work for you, and the appropriate dosage for that supplement. For many substances, including herbs, a little might be better than a lot.
 
We do NOT recommend:
 
- The Road Back and their supplements , such as
 

About current supplements from The Road Back:
 
A company called Neuro Genetic Solutions, based in Belleair Bluffs, Florida, manufactures all The Road Back's supplements. Its president is Jim Harper, owner of The Road Back.
 
Jim Harper, of The Road Back, vigorously recommends the purchase of supplements from a company he owns. Conflict of interest?
 
I have read much of The Road Back's sciencey-sounding literature about the recipes for its supplements. From what I can see, it is all hogwash designed to snare the gullible.
 
Curiously, one must look at the labels for the supplements on a site such as Amazon to find exactly what's in the capsules, because the Neuro Genetic Solutions site discusses them in only general terms. If a supplement maker will not divulge the ingredients in a supplement, do not purchase the supplement. They are being sneaky.

  • Omega 3 Supreme TG is nothing but an ordinary -- but extremely overpriced -- omega-3 fish oil supplement. (Fish oil capsules of this type should cost about US$ 0.10 per capsule.)
  • Neuro Mini Endure is an extremely overpriced supplement containing a "proprietary" blend of Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALC), Bacopa Monnieri, N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) and L-Glutamine -- mostly common amino acids that should be tried separately, and at much lower cost, because you could have a bad reaction to any one of them.
  • Body Calm Supreme Nighttime Relief Melatonin Free is an extremely overpriced supplement containing a "proprietary" blend of GABA, L-Theanine, Montmorency Tart Cherry, and Passion Flower, all of which should be tried separately, and at much lower cost, because you could have a bad reaction to any one of them.
  • Optimum Solace is an extremely overpriced supplement containing 15mg saffron (an herb) with 200mcg of Quatrefolic folate (this is the absorbable type for MTHFR mutations). Some people find folate activating -- causing nervousness, anxiety, insomnia. These are two substances that should be tried separately, and at much lower cost.
  • JNK Capsules contain a bunch of things you might find in an ordinary multivitamin with minerals -- each of which should be tried separately, and at much lower cost, because you could have a bad reaction to any one of them.
Looking at the nonsensical detail in this stuff puts me in a bad mood. I don't want to ever have to research any The Road Back supplements again. If I were you or any consumer, I'd take this information as an indication that you are being scammed.

 

 
The Road Back supplements may be labeled as

  • TRB Health
  • Neuro Genetic Solutions

Both companies owned by Jim Harper or James Harper.
 
- Truehope supplements, including

- Point of Return and Label Me Sane supplements
 
- Neuroscience neurotransmitter testing and supplements, including

- Marty Hinz supplements and neurotransmitter imbalance
 
- To try or not to try? supplements - NT Factor
 
- Neuro P.S. is nothing but phosphatidylserine, see Phosphatydilserine, aka phosphatidyl serine (Seriphos or Cortiphos...
 
- Eden P.M. Sleep Support -- its Web site http://www.eden-pm.com/Default.htm does not divulge its ingredients. This is an indication of dishonesty. Here are the ingredients: http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/pure_life-eden_pm.htm

Unique Proprietary Matrix - 3000mg
-Magnesium Glycinate (see Magnesium, nature's calcium channel blocker)
-Phenyl-GABA (see Kavinace, phenibut, or Phenyl GABA for sleep)
-Taurine (see Taurine (L-taurine amino acid) )
-Glycine (see L-glycine for sleep? )
-L-Theanine (see L-Theanine for anxiety, insomnia )

 

This is a supplement containing 3 amino acids, magnesium glycinate, and Phenyl-GABA, a drug related to to the benzodiazepines that much be tapered.

 

All of these ingredients should be tried separately. Phenyl-GABA should be avoided.

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freespirit

Thanks for this Alto..and for all the research and hard work you put in here. I found The Road Back before I found SA...but something seemed off to me and I chose not to order any supplements. I'm very grateful that I didn't..as it would have been money wasted and meant perhaps feeling worse. I hope people will find this post and not do something they would regret, in terms of supplements.

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akakoom

i tried those neuro-genesis supplements, yeah, they never made any difference.  at least i didnt spend too much money on them

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Marsha

I agree Altostrata! I used the road back supplements and they are useless and probably dangerous as well. The Road Back. and NeuroGenetic Solutions is not a good source for tapering. Been there.

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oskcajga

Scammers will always thrive on health related fields.

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Crocuslad

Thank you for the information.  The reality of this is we need to become more educated about nutritional supplements, and learn about what are you planning to take, exactly how it works, contraindications etc.  Not all the supplements out there are bad, there are many that are made based on science.  I'm  all advocate of natural alternatives which could hep you without the nasty side effects of the pharmaceuticals.  The lesson here is to do your homework before you decide to take any type of medication or natural supplement. 

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KathyL

I am doing great with The Road Back Supplements.

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manymoretodays

Hi Kathy.......would you like to disclose whether you are on medications or not?  Stressors/traumas recent or past?  How long now on their program?

 

I did True Hope/Empower Plus and Neuroreplete(complete with a urine sample that showed to much serotonin).......back when I had a few more financial reserves.  Especially with the True Hope stuff......I spent a bundle on their frequently recommended add ons........some of which were helpful.  True Hope was recommended by my psychiatrist at the time based on a study of very few people with limited success(written by another M.D.).  My psychiatrist likes to jump on lot's of "bandwagons".........I think she is a little bipolar or perhaps it's her ADD.  :)  The Neuroreplete was peddled directly by another Dr. who I saw, not psychiatrist.

 

True Hope had a phone line occasionally available staffed by success story people.  This was pre- internet proliferation.  Helpful in giving referrals/getting further add ons from different places.

 

I basically gave it 3 mos.  Based on recommendation, again "not medical advice" or any of my own research and conclusions.   After that time......I chose to go back on a medication.  I think I had weaned one medication down at that point......based on their recommends/"not medical advice".    At most I have been on 2 medications at a time(psychiatric stuff).

 

I wasn't aware that withdrawal existed at the time for most of us, a little I was aware of but not this protracted picture,  but was coming around.......doing some reading and such.

 

It's nice that you are doing great.  We all have periods of that as well.  Very thankful for that.

 

Beware of "proprietary blends" though.  I think that is mentioned above.

 

Thanks for your input.

 

Thank you as well for respecting this "part of my story".

 

I really could not condense my words above much further.  And am interested in your story and health.  Care......in other words.

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oskcajga

I am doing great with The Road Back Supplements.

 

KathyL= 1 post.  My guess?  The Road Back sympathizer account.

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KathyL

I only have one post because I just joined this forum today.  I don't know what you are implying by calling me names.  I, like everyone else on this forum, have been a victim of the medical industry.  I have been on Zoloft for 10 +years.  I got myself from 100 to 50 but every time I tried to go lower, I got so sick that I had to go back to 50.  I am using the Road Back Method and some of their supplements to control my withdrawal symptoms.  I am having success.  I just made my first successful reduction from 50 to 47.5.  I have stabilized on this dose now.  Per their recommendation, I will wait a week and then make my next 5% decrease.  I have even emailed them about what I could do for Nausea and they did not recommend a supplement.  He recommended Ginger tea.  I think we should all be open-minded and value input from others.  Just because something doesn't work for someone, it doesn't mean it can't work for anyone.  I actually need to consider wether or not to remain a member of this forum.  I did not expect to be attacked on my first post.  I do not need to defend myself on top of everything else I am going through.

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Petunia

KathyL, please would you start a topic for yourself in our Introductions and updates forum, then we can get to know you better and provide support and suggestions for your taper off Zoloft.

 

No supplements will protect you from withdrawal symptoms if you are tapering too fast, in fact if your nervous system becomes destabilized from withdrawal, supplements can cause adverse effects, so you need to be careful as you continue tapering lower.

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I only have one post because I just joined this forum today.  I don't know what you are implying by calling me names.  I, like everyone else on this forum, have been a victim of the medical industry.  I have been on Zoloft for 10 +years.  I got myself from 100 to 50 but every time I tried to go lower, I got so sick that I had to go back to 50.  I am using the Road Back Method and some of their supplements to control my withdrawal symptoms.  I am having success.  I just made my first successful reduction from 50 to 47.5.  I have stabilized on this dose now.  Per their recommendation, I will wait a week and then make my next 5% decrease.  I have even emailed them about what I could do for Nausea and they did not recommend a supplement.  He recommended Ginger tea.  I think we should all be open-minded and value input from others.  Just because something doesn't work for someone, it doesn't mean it can't work for anyone.  I actually need to consider wether or not to remain a member of this forum.  I did not expect to be attacked on my first post.  I do not need to defend myself on top of everything else I am going through.

 

Sorry about that - glad that you're not what I guessed!

 

This is the internet after all - it's not uncommon for self-advertisements to pop up.  It's nothing personal.  I suppose it was a bit rude of me to make that guess, so I apologize if I offended you.  I do NOT represent everyone on this website, or this community - just someone who made a bad guess who's in a similar situation as yourself.

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I became a member simply to reply to posts suggesting Neuro Genetic Solutions and "The Road Back Program" are a waste of money, and Jim Harper, President, is marketing the product singly for personal monetary gain.  My journey to recovery from psychotherapeutic drugs began exactly one year ago.  My usage of anti-depressant drugs began in the 80s with the inception of Prozac. The therapeutic nature of this drug, and the formulation of anti psychotic/depressant drugs to follow, were a seductive and deceptive manuever by the pharmaceutical companies to enlarge their bottom line at the risk of true mental health to those prescribed.  Not much different than the passage of "aspartame" or "corn syrup", etc.

 

I'm 67 years old, and have been a nurse for forty years.  The nature of medicine is not foreign to me.  I'm also true to alternative measures of healthcare, blending modalities.  When I decided to withdraw from anti-depressants, recognizing over the years I didn't feel measureably better on medications, I researched alternatives.  I came across Jim Harper's Program.  After reading Jim's book, and reviewing with my PCP (primary care practitioner), board certified Internal Medicine, I began the program January 2015.  Without describing the schedule used, I spent three months weaning from the anti depressant currently prescribed.  Throughout that period, Jim Harper responded personally via email and phone when I had questions and/or symtom concerns, readjusting supplementation usage as needed.  I did not know Jim prior to beginning the program, and haven't corresponded with him in several months, meaning, we were not friends or acquaintances prior to January 2015.  Jim Harper simply and completely concerned himself with my wellfare throughout the program, and supported my journey at no additional cost.   He is the real deal. 

 

I continued the supplements by choice an additional three to four months, and I've never relapsed.  The program stands on great merit.  I am a user that through experience can attest to my success.  It's dissappointing to note criticism by someone who is not familiar with the program or the administrator.  For each of you seeking relief from the strong holds of anti psychotic and anti depressant drugs, know that it can be done.  My path, and the system I used, "The Road Back", was successful.  To this I can attest.  Find yours and start the journey to recovery.  My best to each of you.

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I became a member simply to reply to posts suggesting Neuro Genetic Solutions and "The Road Back Program" are a waste of money, and Jim Harper, President, is marketing the product singly for personal monetary gain.  My journey to recovery from psychotherapeutic drugs began exactly one year ago.  My usage of anti-depressant drugs began in the 80s with the inception of Prozac. The therapeutic nature of this drug, and the formulation of anti psychotic/depressant drugs to follow, were a seductive and deceptive manuever by the pharmaceutical companies to enlarge their bottom line at the risk of true mental health to those prescribed.  Not much different than the passage of "aspartame" or "corn syrup", etc.

 

I'm 67 years old, and have been a nurse for forty years.  The nature of medicine is not foreign to me.  I'm also true to alternative measures of healthcare, blending modalities.  When I decided to withdraw from anti-depressants, recognizing over the years I didn't feel measureably better on medications, I researched alternatives.  I came across Jim Harper's Program.  After reading Jim's book, and reviewing with my PCP (primary care practitioner), board certified Internal Medicine, I began the program January 2015.  Without describing the schedule used, I spent three months weaning from the anti depressant currently prescribed.  Throughout that period, Jim Harper responded personally via email and phone when I had questions and/or symtom concerns, readjusting supplementation usage as needed.  I did not know Jim prior to beginning the program, and haven't corresponded with him in several months, meaning, we were not friends or acquaintances prior to January 2015.  Jim Harper simply and completely concerned himself with my wellfare throughout the program, and supported my journey at no additional cost.   He is the real deal. 

 

I continued the supplements by choice an additional three to four months, and I've never relapsed.  The program stands on great merit.  I am a user that through experience can attest to my success.  It's dissappointing to note criticism by someone who is not familiar with the program or the administrator.  For each of you seeking relief from the strong holds of anti psychotic and anti depressant drugs, know that it can be done.  My path, and the system I used, "The Road Back", was successful.  To this I can attest.  Find yours and start the journey to recovery.  My best to each of you.

 

Rather than relaying your positive experiences with Jim Harper, I'd prefer to see a 3 paragraph first post about the actual supplementation and program. 

 

Can you go into detail about the exact supplements, the dosages, and the duration of intake?

 

The problem with this program is that it's just so blatantly for-profit - and I have yet to see any detailed information about the program itself. 

 

So unless you can provide more specific information about the exact program you went through, rather than a generalized positive testimonial, my opinion about "the road back" (and other blatantly for-profit supplemental programs) will be highly suspect.

 

As a nurse, you have been trained to be detail-oriented, and accurate - so please relay to us the specific and accurate details regarding what supplements were taken (and time courses) - so that readers here on SA can judge for ourselves whether or not the program seems suspect or whether it's possibly beneficial.

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Petunia

Welcome avg,

I'm happy you have managed to taper from your medication successfully and have recovered. But I'm sorry to hear that you spent a lot of money on a program which was most likely unnecessary. Many people are able to taper from these medications without a lot of problems and perhaps you were one of these. Even if you believe you were helped by the program supplements, they are very over priced and the ingredients can be purchased at a fraction of the cost from many outlets and online stores.

 

As osk wrote, your post does sound like a testimonial, written specifically to promote one of the programs which have been looked into and found not suitable for our recommendation.

 

We do NOT recommend:
 
- The Road Back and their supplements
 

About current supplements from The Road Back:
 
A company called Neuro Genetic Solutions, based in Belleair Bluffs, Florida, manufactures all The Road Back's supplements. Its president is Jim Harper, owner of The Road Back.
 
Jim Harper, of The Road Back, vigorously recommends the purchase of supplements from a company he owns. Conflict of interest?
 
I have read much of The Road Back's sciencey-sounding literature about the recipes for its supplements. From what I can see, it is all hogwash designed to snare the gullible.
 
Curiously, one must look at the labels for the supplements on a site such as Amazon to find exactly what's in the capsules, because the Neuro Genetic Solutions site discusses them in only general terms. If a supplement maker will not divulge the ingredients in a supplement, do not purchase the supplement. They are being sneaky.

  • Omega 3 Supreme TG is nothing but an ordinary -- but extremely overpriced -- omega-3 fish oil supplement. (Fish oil capsules of this type should cost about US$ 0.10 per capsule.)
  • Neuro Mini Endure is an extremely overpriced supplement containing a "proprietary" blend of Acetyl L-Carnitine (ALC), Bacopa Monnieri, N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) and L-Glutamine -- mostly common amino acids that should be tried separately, and at much lower cost, because you could have a bad reaction to any one of them.
  • Body Calm Supreme Nighttime Relief Melatonin Free is an extremely overpriced supplement containing a "proprietary" blend of GABA, L-Theanine, Montmorency Tart Cherry, and Passion Flower, all of which should be tried separately, and at much lower cost, because you could have a bad reaction to any one of them.
  • Optimum Solace is an extremely overpriced supplement containing 15mg saffron (an herb) with 200mcg of Quatrefolic folate (this is the absorbable type for MTHFR mutations). Some people find folate activating -- causing nervousness, anxiety, insomnia. These are two substances that should be tried separately, and at much lower cost.
  • JNK Capsules contain a bunch of things you might find in an ordinary multivitamin with minerals -- each of which should be tried separately, and at much lower cost, because you could have a bad reaction to any one of them.
Looking at the nonsensical detail in this stuff puts me in a bad mood. I don't want to ever have to research any The Road Back supplements again. If I were you or any consumer, I'd take this information as an indication that you are being scammed.

 

 
The Road Back supplements may be labeled as

  • TRB Health
  • Neuro Genetic Solutions

Both companies owned by Jim Harper or James Harper.
 

 

If you were happy to have spent your money and are satisfied with the outcome, that's great. But please see the site policy here No recommendations for commercial programs to assist withdrawal We have had many reports of people in withdrawal having bad reactions to these over-hyped products.

 

If you are participating in these programs and like their products, you are welcome to participate here as well, and we will support your taper. However, if you wish to publicly discuss these programs with others, please go to the sites run by their respective companies.

 

You can find everything you need here at Surviving Antidepressants to safely taper from your medications, completely free, including information about supplements which  have helped, harmed or done nothing, giving you enough information on which to base your decisions about what to sensibly spend your money on.

 

Plus you get support, advice and information from a friendly community available 24 hours a day, information you can believe, because no one is making any money out you.

 

avg, it would be great if you would put your drug and withdrawal history in your signature. Doing this helps people understand your context, it appears below each of your posts. Here are instructions for how to do it:

 

http://survivinganti...your-signature/

 

Also, if you would like to share and discuss your experience of tapering and what helped, please start a topic for yourself in our  Introductions and updates  forum.

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Alia02

Hello, I dont know if this is relevant and I cant prove it completely, but there is a lot of conjecture that THE ROAD BACK programme and its owners have associations with the Church Of Scientology. A few years back, when I was desperately trying to get taper with anti- depressants (and having no luck)  I discovered 'the Road Back' website. However, as I need to be able to trace the company founders back to who they are and the history/ business history.. I was put off. Then when I dug deeper I found that there is an association with the founders name and Scientology.

Also, James Harper, author of the book "The Road Back" his Scientology info can be found here: 

Also, The following 3 mentions of James Harper appear in OFFICIAL Scientology publications:

James & Mary Beth Harper Founding Patrons Impact 109 2004-09-01
James & Mary Beth Harper Patrons Impact 114 2006-09-01
James Harper Honor Roll Impact 114 2006-09-01

 It may not be the same person, but it just made me wonder. I need to know what is in every supplement.. and I couldnt find this information in the Road Back supplements. Anyway, Im really pleased with this site / forum  (Surviving Anti-Depressants) and I thank its founders. It is based on established facts and peoples experience and it doesnt take money from people who are desperate for help. Im finally able to taper safely and feel so comforted that I have back up here. Thankyou.

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Altostrata

Thank you, Alia.

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I bought a package of The Road Back supplements and felt horrible.  The Body Calm did absolutely nothing to calm me.  In fact I became increasing agitated the more I took of it.  After 1 week of using these supplements, I threw them all out.  I paid over $100 for them too.  A great supplement to help with anxiety and sleep which doesn't interact with psychotropic drugs is Ashwaganda.  I highly recommend it. 

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I bought a package of The Road Back supplements and felt horrible.  The Body Calm did absolutely nothing to calm me.  In fact I became increasing agitated the more I took of it.  After 1 week of using these supplements, I threw them all out.  I paid over $100 for them too.  A great supplement to help with anxiety and sleep which doesn't interact with psychotropic drugs is Ashwaganda.  I highly recommend it. 

Thank you for the recommendation - I am not going to stay on Trazadone (I was given to help me get off ADs) so this will come in handy. Ashwaganda - never heard of it before. Many thanks!

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I found SA while I perused reviews about The Road back. Signed up with SA, never looked back - well, I did look up the ingredients of their supplements. It can be done, took a whole day ;) 

Many I already had anyhow - I am doing great - been here about a month now.Did 1 taper so far (since I joined)

Thanks for your hard work researching Alto.xx

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HalfPerson

Bravo! Keep on exposing these fraudsters and their overpriced snake oil!!!

 

It really, really makes me sick, things like this, and I'm pretty sure the supps would make me ACTUALLY sick.

 

It makes me think an interesting thread could be made re: supplements. I've tried a few, and like you say, some stuff can be 'activating', I got insomnia and anxiety from certain supps and it'd be a nice, little pool of info for us med-damaged people on here.

 

Knowing what to try/not to try and reading people's first hand experiences would be useful.

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PS: Know it's not a supp but currently Amoxicillin is giving me bad insomnia. Only getting 3-4 hrs per night on it.

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Bravo! Keep on exposing these fraudsters and their overpriced snake oil!!!

 

It really, really makes me sick, things like this, and I'm pretty sure the supps would make me ACTUALLY sick.

 

It makes me think an interesting thread could be made re: supplements. I've tried a few, and like you say, some stuff can be 'activating', I got insomnia and anxiety from certain supps and it'd be a nice, little pool of info for us med-damaged people on here.

 

Knowing what to try/not to try and reading people's first hand experiences would be useful.

Like they said above, it is because they come all in one capsule. It is better to try one at a time - I am learning. 

For example, B12 came up often - I added it - and OMG - I can actually be productive! (Have not had one today and I can tell ;) 

Also omegas - but so much else I wasn't sure - so I had some, added some, and left the rest. Eventually I hope to sleep naturally again.

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I'm trying to battle my way through the supplement minefield, I stocked up last year when I was desperate to solve my PSSD and anhedonia issues. I must have about 40 different types of stuff, B1, B12, B3, Choline & Inositol (activating for me as a duo), Pycnogenol, Vit D, Ashwaghanda, L-Arginine, Rhodiola Rosea, n-acetyl cysteine, I could reel off more!

 

Once I'm through this tough patch I'm in, I might isolate each one and give it a 1-2 week trial to see if I notice any differences. But I notice I can get insomnia VERY easily...but sleep well without anything in my system. And I'm not sure what Omega 3s do for me...yet. They definitely have an effect, though, they space me out a bit. But I'm not sure what *good* effects they give me(???)

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I'm trying to battle my way through the supplement minefield, I stocked up last year when I was desperate to solve my PSSD and anhedonia issues. I must have about 40 different types of stuff, B1, B12, B3, Choline & Inositol (activating for me as a duo), Pycnogenol, Vit D, Ashwaghanda, L-Arginine, Rhodiola Rosea, n-acetyl cysteine, I could reel off more!

 

Once I'm through this tough patch I'm in, I might isolate each one and give it a 1-2 week trial to see if I notice any differences. But I notice I can get insomnia VERY easily...but sleep well without anything in my system. And I'm not sure what Omega 3s do for me...yet. They definitely have an effect, though, they space me out a bit. But I'm not sure what *good* effects they give me(???)

If nothing else, they help with digestion... 

I am adding the Ashwaghanda as I am getting off the Benzo and Trazadone. Also will focus on herbs such as Valerian root - and most importantly, remove stressors from life. That is a huge one. Baby steps. 

I look forward to seeing you change your name back to being a Person. :) xx

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I'm trying to battle my way through the supplement minefield, I stocked up last year when I was desperate to solve my PSSD and anhedonia issues. I must have about 40 different types of stuff, B1, B12, B3, Choline & Inositol (activating for me as a duo), Pycnogenol, Vit D, Ashwaghanda, L-Arginine, Rhodiola Rosea, n-acetyl cysteine, I could reel off more!

 

Once I'm through this tough patch I'm in, I might isolate each one and give it a 1-2 week trial to see if I notice any differences. But I notice I can get insomnia VERY easily...but sleep well without anything in my system. And I'm not sure what Omega 3s do for me...yet. They definitely have an effect, though, they space me out a bit. But I'm not sure what *good* effects they give me(???)

If nothing else, they help with digestion... 

I am adding the Ashwaghanda as I am getting off the Benzo and Trazadone. Also will focus on herbs such as Valerian root - and most importantly, remove stressors from life. That is a huge one. Baby steps. 

I look forward to seeing you change your name back to being a Person. :) xx

 

P.S. I just sent you a friend request. :)

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Mcola

I totally disagree with what is being said about Jim Harper's program of The Road Back. I was put on Effexor 187.5 in 2011 for anxiety. I have been trying to wean for last several years with NO success. Hungry for answers I read Jim's book and started the recommended tapering process. I am thrilled to say I am currently on .75 mg, week 6 or so of program and feel great!!!! No side effects at all!!! I don't know Jim and have no monetary reason for endorsing his product except to say that if you follow his instructions carefully it does really work! No need to bash this man's program as this is def a well thought out researched structured program that has done well for me and I'm sure for many others. While it may not be for everyone I wouldn't shut the door on it. It has been lifesaving for me. Reply to me if you need more info. Thanks

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Altostrata

Tapering works, a program of supplements doesn't do much but deplete your bank account.

 

Good to hear you've done well with tapering.

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I'm trying to battle my way through the supplement minefield, I stocked up last year when I was desperate to solve my PSSD and anhedonia issues. I must have about 40 different types of stuff, B1, B12, B3, Choline & Inositol (activating for me as a duo), Pycnogenol, Vit D, Ashwaghanda, L-Arginine, Rhodiola Rosea, n-acetyl cysteine, I could reel off more!

 

Once I'm through this tough patch I'm in, I might isolate each one and give it a 1-2 week trial to see if I notice any differences. But I notice I can get insomnia VERY easily...but sleep well without anything in my system. And I'm not sure what Omega 3s do for me...yet. They definitely have an effect, though, they space me out a bit. But I'm not sure what *good* effects they give me(???)

If nothing else, they help with digestion... 

I am adding the Ashwaghanda as I am getting off the Benzo and Trazadone. Also will focus on herbs such as Valerian root - and most importantly, remove stressors from life. That is a huge one. Baby steps. 

I look forward to seeing you change your name back to being a Person. :) xx

 

 

I hope to be EntirePerson soon lol.;)

 

Let me know how you get on with the Ashwaghanda...I'm not sure I was taking it right. It tended to make me feel a bit numb and tired. But it definitely has some kind of effect. Don't you find Valerian smells REALLY bad...like sweaty socks? Like...sweaty socks kept on for FOUR WEEKS?!!!!!!

 

I'm not sure if I accepted your friend request right but I think you've been added.xx :)

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ingridphoenix

 

 

I'm trying to battle my way through the supplement minefield, I stocked up last year when I was desperate to solve my PSSD and anhedonia issues. I must have about 40 different types of stuff, B1, B12, B3, Choline & Inositol (activating for me as a duo), Pycnogenol, Vit D, Ashwaghanda, L-Arginine, Rhodiola Rosea, n-acetyl cysteine, I could reel off more!

 

Once I'm through this tough patch I'm in, I might isolate each one and give it a 1-2 week trial to see if I notice any differences. But I notice I can get insomnia VERY easily...but sleep well without anything in my system. And I'm not sure what Omega 3s do for me...yet. They definitely have an effect, though, they space me out a bit. But I'm not sure what *good* effects they give me(???)

If nothing else, they help with digestion... 

I am adding the Ashwaghanda as I am getting off the Benzo and Trazadone. Also will focus on herbs such as Valerian root - and most importantly, remove stressors from life. That is a huge one. Baby steps. 

I look forward to seeing you change your name back to being a Person. :) xx

 

 

I hope to be EntirePerson soon lol. ;)

 

Let me know how you get on with the Ashwaghanda...I'm not sure I was taking it right. It tended to make me feel a bit numb and tired. But it definitely has some kind of effect. Don't you find Valerian smells REALLY bad...like sweaty socks? Like...sweaty socks kept on for FOUR WEEKS?!!!!!!

 

I'm not sure if I accepted your friend request right but I think you've been added.xx :)

 

hahahaha - yes, I can't take Valerian by itself. I do in teas mixed with other herbs.

Now, I have not kept my socks on for that long yet, and I normally am not in the habit of smelling them...however, I am familiar with Limburger Cheese - and that is pretty close 

(I am laughing so hard right now, I can barely type!! :D )

I like getting tired naturally with the Ashwaghanda - less Trazadone I take. 

A storm is moving in, talking about resting sounds great right now. I think I know where I will be in a couple of hours -

Oh, Inositol. I am taking it at night as well.

I was not eating properly at all, so I am doing well adding some supplements - this whole journey so far has been ok. Aside from swollen legs/ankles.

I will check to make sure we are friends, EntirePerson :) 

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Area1255

Definitely agree, that too many people rely on supplements, many of which have no proven research or have very little paling in comparison to rat studies and other small animal studies. There are a few that have good research on them (Vitamin D, folate, B12, Zinc, Selenium, Fish Oil) but many people choose to eat unhealthily and then add supplements thinking it will 'prevent' or eliminate the effects of other bad lifestyle repercussions. It's also worthwhile to note that many people take what studies DO exist completely out of context, if a study declares an ingredient to enhance cognition, for example, many people see that as enhanced in general, and applying to everything , when it could just be that it is in regard to ONLY working memory, or only short-term memory etc...

 

I see this all-day long. 

 

Nice thread though Admin!

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HalfPerson

I'll add in another supplement experience. Creatine (monohydrate) tabs, 3450mg, supposed to take up to three a day. Had these sitting about a fair few months and heard they might be good for lifting negativity...boy was I WRONG.

 

Took one tab on Friday morning. Felt a bit 'noir'. Had an argument with the ex that day and got over-emotional and stormed off from her. Wasn't sure if it was me or the creatine but I felt edgy and James Dean all day. As an experiment (and as I knew I wasn't gonna be seeing the ex at all. a 'free day'), I took two tabs yesterday morning and suffered a suicidal depression feeling all day, and found myself bursting into tears on the evening at one point. Horrible day, yesterday.

 

Today, I've not taken one and my mood is MUCH more levelled-out. So I'm pretty certain it was those creatine tabs. God, what a difference in mood! Sometimes you KNOW when something affects you...much in the same way an E makes you happy, some things can just make you feel sad. 

 

Anyone else felt this with creatine?

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NearlyMedlessKate

I'm glad I found this thread. I was going to buy EmpowerPlus from Truehope based on Paula Caplan's videos on Mad In America about multinutrient therapy. Now I don't know what to think. I hadn't bought them yet because they are so expensive. I can buy a bottle of those a month or get a 60 minute massage but not both. Guess I'm going with the massage.

 

One question though - Alto said no mixed supplements but does that include stuff like B-complex with multiple B vitamins too, or just the multivitamin/multiherb supplements?

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Altostrata

People sometimes have problems with B vitamins. You might be able to take one but not another. If you have a bad reaction to a multiple B vitamin supplement, you'll have to throw the entire bottle away.

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