Yelling, Shouting, Screaming, Vocal Tics (Klazomania)

[Jncs]

Hi,

 

My husband suffers from Insomnia since Nov 2013 and has been on/off several antidepressants, benzos and other potent psychic drugs.  He had 2 ECTs which only gave him temporarily recovery.

 

We are now slowly tapering off his drugs.  Meanwhile, since starting the drugs, he has this morning agitation and yellings which is really agonizing him and everyone around. 

Days when we added or reduced a drug would aggravate his yellings louder and will last longer, from 7am till late afternoon.

 

He says the yellings stemmed from the tight chest and discomfort  He is fully aware of all this but can't control it.  Our rooms are dimmed by curtains, and he says he's not bothered by the lights.

 

His docs always dismissed it as "Anxiety" and denied as side effects.  More and more drugs are added to sedate his yellings and long naps are their only remedy for him.

 

Since joining this forum recently, I discovered many incidences are similar to ours and regretted for trusting the docs so much! After all, his problem was just Insomnia!

 

As we are tapering off his drugs (without the docs knowledge), his yellings and agitation also became more aggressive.

 

If anyone has any similar experience on dealing with such agitation and yellings, pls do share it here.  Thank you so much!

[Cressida]

That seemsime crazy, incomprehensir medicine to treat insomnia.

The agitation in the morning not easing at all I had acutely and its hell on earth. I just used to pace around the house I couldn't keep still and ideally have someone with me as a comfort in the fear and to talk to but a lot of the time after H went to work I had to go through it alone. It eventually starts to lift but the pattern remains at 38 months off I still have much milder anxiety in the morning and hopefully will return to normal in time. Its an almost universal pattern and people find their own help trying to meditate etc nightmare that it is and sit it out.

I frequently felt I was screaming inside but didn't verbalise. Its called a verbal tic and can be caused by withdrawal. I guess you'll have to accept it and sit it out ( I don't mean that to sound in any way harsh it just is the reality of most withdrawal symptoms). Am wary of adding stuff in to a brain and body that is already in turmoil. I do hope someone else can offer you more help

[Petunia]

As Cressida wrote, the pattern of symptoms being worse in the mornings is quite common, see: 

Waking with panic or anxiety -- managing cortisol spikes

 

I also commented on your introduction thread with my thoughts.

[mike1]

Hello Jncs. My wife has been suffering depression for the last 5 months. Initially her psychiatrist prescrived her remeron 30mg. After 6 weeks and no results he decided to add celexa 10mg, then increased to 20 mg, and finally 40mg. It did not seem to work, plus my wife's sleep got much worse (no more than 2-3 hours at night). So the psychiatrist added seroquel. After a week my wife started talking to herself and also mumbling some non-sense sounds, then yelling and screamings of the same non-sense sounds. The interesting thing is that it usually happens when she is alone. When she sees or talks to someone or in a group of people it rarely happens. But when she is alone it is almost non-stop. The doctor told her to taper off her celexa and seroquel. Now she is on remeron and he added effexor 75mg (to be increased in the future).  Her sleep is much better, but all the screaming and yelling symptoms do not go away so far. I was just wondering if you have found any solution to your husband's problem as they are very similar to my wife's symptoms.

thank you.

[Altostrata]

I think it's important to note that Jncs's husband is on a ridiculous cocktail of many psychiatric drugs. Polypharmacy can indeed cause strange symptoms.

 

mike1, it sounds like your wife is going the same route. Please start a topic for her in the Introductions forum so her story won't get lost.

[Jncs]

Hello Jncs. My wife has been suffering depression for the last 5 months. Initially her psychiatrist prescrived her remeron 30mg. After 6 weeks and no results he decided to add celexa 10mg, then increased to 20 mg, and finally 40mg. It did not seem to work, plus my wife's sleep got much worse (no more than 2-3 hours at night). So the psychiatrist added seroquel. After a week my wife started talking to herself and also mumbling some non-sense sounds, then yelling and screamings of the same non-sense sounds. The interesting thing is that it usually happens when she is alone. When she sees or talks to someone or in a group of people it rarely happens. But when she is alone it is almost non-stop. The doctor told her to taper off her celexa and seroquel. Now she is on remeron and he added effexor 75mg (to be increased in the future).  Her sleep is much better, but all the screaming and yelling symptoms do not go away so far. I was just wondering if you have found any solution to your husband's problem as they are very similar to my wife's symptoms.

thank you.

Hi mike1,

Sorry for the late reply. I'm sorry to hear that your wife is in similar predicament. No, my hb is still yelling the moment he's awake in the morning.  Have been taking for him for walks, keep engaging him by talking. This helps to reduce the intensity but the problem remains.  On very bad days, he will insist on taking propranolol or antihistamine which he claims it helps.

I will, however, try to avoid adding drugs as much as possible.  Antihistamine helps by sedating him but again, he can't be sleeping through till noon till his restlessness and yelling eases. Hence, it's still a struggle seeing him like this.  We are definitely reducing his medication very slowly, and carefully.

Hope yr wife is recovering. Stay strong!

[SquirrellyGirl]

Jncs, I was wondering if you are still out there and how is your husband these days?

 

SG

[Jncs]

Jncs, I was wondering if you are still out there and how is your husband these days?

 

SG

Hello SG,

 

Thank you for your concern.

 

My husband is still on a gradual reduction of his drugs (its down to Olanzapine 10mg, Mirt 15mg, Vortioxetine 5mg). His yellings and agitation caused by tight chest remains and in the past month has extended to late afternoons as well. Usually it subsides by noon.

 

Doctors are still clueness to his symptoms.

[Jncs]

 

Jncs, I was wondering if you are still out there and how is your husband these days?

SG

Hello SG,

Thank you for your concern.

My husband is still on a gradual reduction of his drugs (its down to Olanzapine 10mg, Mirt 15mg, Vortioxetine 5mg). His yellings and agitation caused by tight chest remains and in the past month has extended to late afternoons as well. Usually it subsides by noon.

Doctors are still clueness to his symptoms.

In addition, he gets nervous lately and refused to go outdoor the past week.

[SquirrellyGirl]

I'm sorry to hear that the yelling is still a problem and it appears he now has agoraphobia.  I had agoraphobia in withdrawal.  It should pass as he stabilizes on his current level of meds.  Maybe holding a little longer at his current level than you would otherwise would let his nervous system get caught up with the cuts. 

 

I thought of you because someone else on the boards was having uncontrolled yelling, too.  It is a perplexing withdrawal symptom!

 

Well, I hope things improve for him.  I feel so horrible about what's been done to him with these meds and what you are going through taking care of him!

 

Hugs!

SG

[deejay]

I have this when things are bad, feel like I just want to yell and scream the house down, sometimes it gets the better of me but mostly I can hold it in. When I do hold it in it's still bad though, it's as if your soul is screaming out for help and there's nothing you can do about it.  It's a lot worse in the mornings has settles somewhat the last week though... touch wood …..

[Altostrata]

What you're describing is not klazomania, deejay.