Administrator Altostrata Posted March 17, 2019 Administrator Share Posted March 17, 2019 I'm so sorry, kiki. Please consult with the neurologist -- make it an emergency appointment if you can. It sounds like you need to go off Abilify. It could be that it's not the decrease in the drug, but the length of time you're taking it that is exacerbating your movement disorder. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Skeeter Posted March 19, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 19, 2019 Kiki, You are down to 2.5mg of Abilify. How did you get here, did you drop an entire mg, or go more slowly? I am truly sorry you hare having issues with a movement disorder! That can be very scary, but as Alto suggested, get in with a specialist as soon as you can, and just cover the movement disorder issue. What are your current side effects from your taper? I assume you are having stronger movement issues. There are 2 movement issues if you have not had an actual diagnosis, one is Tardive (meaning delayed, as in onset) Dystonia, the other, Tardive Dyskenesia. One has medications that work for it, and both have treatments that go from minor to major. I ask as I believe we discussed this before, if not, I apologise. Hang in there! Skeeter Current meds: Lexapro 20mg, Valium 6.25mg Current status: September 2018 forced to go down to 10mg of Valium/Diazepam from around 15mg, with the plan to have me totally of in 2 more months. I was not given a chance to give input at tapering at this speed, please go much, much slower. Luckily I found a new doctor, but was thrown off course by my rapid taper, as of 2/19 am down to 6.25mg, and am stable. Will update with dates of taper ASAP. Read my history here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12819-skeeters-journey/ I am NOT a doctor. My opinions are just that- MY opinions, based on my personal experiences and research, but your experience and reactions may differ greatly, we are all different! I maintain that a doctor educated in withdrawal is the best place to get info or to get the "go ahead" before changing your medications in any way! Link to comment
kiki2015 Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 Hello there. Can someone kindly help me or give me advice? I 've recently received medical tests and IQ results. They didn't send them to me. I got them through a subject access request. They are very low but are ignoring the results and watering them down just to be sympathetic. Medication history: 2002-2004 olanzapine, 2.5 2003-2004- 10 olanzapine, ~2005-2007 quetiapine, 300mg 2006- zopiclone, 2 weeks, 2007 - 2013= abilify, 2013-2016- tapering abilify Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 14, 2020 Administrator Share Posted May 14, 2020 kiki, I moved your post here. What kind of tests? Who did them, for what purpose? 1 hour ago, kiki2015 said: They are very low but are ignoring the results and watering them down just to be sympathetic. Please explain. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
kiki2015 Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 18 hours ago, Altostrata said: kiki, I moved your post here. What kind of tests? Who did them, for what purpose? Please explain. For my severe memory and learning problems Medication history: 2002-2004 olanzapine, 2.5 2003-2004- 10 olanzapine, ~2005-2007 quetiapine, 300mg 2006- zopiclone, 2 weeks, 2007 - 2013= abilify, 2013-2016- tapering abilify Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 15, 2020 Administrator Share Posted May 15, 2020 Are they suggesting any kind of therapy? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
kiki2015 Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 8:51 PM, Altostrata said: Are they suggesting any kind of therapy? Hi Altostrata, I don't need therapy. I read that the results were 101 IQ. Please can you tell me if this is low. I read that Linda Andre had an IQ of 118 after ect. They are saying that my IQ is normal. How can that be? Medication history: 2002-2004 olanzapine, 2.5 2003-2004- 10 olanzapine, ~2005-2007 quetiapine, 300mg 2006- zopiclone, 2 weeks, 2007 - 2013= abilify, 2013-2016- tapering abilify Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted May 18, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 18, 2020 I just did an internet search for what is an average iq and was able to find the following: https://www.iqtestforfree.net/iq-scale.html Over 140 – Genius or almost genius 120 – 140 – Very superior intelligence 110 – 119 – Superior intelligence90 – 109 – Average or normal intelligence 80 – 89 – Below average 70 – 79 – Borderline deficiency in intelligence Under 70 – Feeble-mindedness https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-average-iq-2795284 This site has a graph. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 18, 2020 Administrator Share Posted May 18, 2020 I don't know anything about what your test results mean. If you're arguing with them about a drastic drop in IQ due to ECT or psychiatric drug treatment, I don't know anything about that. Can't answer any of your questions, sorry. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
kiki2015 Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, ChessieCat said: I just did an internet search for what is an average iq and was able to find the following: https://www.iqtestforfree.net/iq-scale.html Over 140 – Genius or almost genius 120 – 140 – Very superior intelligence 110 – 119 – Superior intelligence90 – 109 – Average or normal intelligence 80 – 89 – Below average 70 – 79 – Borderline deficiency in intelligence Under 70 – Feeble-mindedness https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-average-iq-2795284 This site has a graph. Actually it's below average. If linda andre had 118 after the ect then how can 101 be average. It's worse than average. Medication history: 2002-2004 olanzapine, 2.5 2003-2004- 10 olanzapine, ~2005-2007 quetiapine, 300mg 2006- zopiclone, 2 weeks, 2007 - 2013= abilify, 2013-2016- tapering abilify Link to comment
kiki2015 Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 hours ago, ChessieCat said: I just did an internet search for what is an average iq and was able to find the following: https://www.iqtestforfree.net/iq-scale.html Over 140 – Genius or almost genius 120 – 140 – Very superior intelligence 110 – 119 – Superior intelligence90 – 109 – Average or normal intelligence 80 – 89 – Below average 70 – 79 – Borderline deficiency in intelligence Under 70 – Feeble-mindedness https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-average-iq-2795284 This site has a graph. I'm sick and tired of people nor pointing things out just to make me feel better. They have no say so over my welfare or Happiness Medication history: 2002-2004 olanzapine, 2.5 2003-2004- 10 olanzapine, ~2005-2007 quetiapine, 300mg 2006- zopiclone, 2 weeks, 2007 - 2013= abilify, 2013-2016- tapering abilify Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted May 19, 2020 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 19, 2020 I'm sorry if I upset you. That was not my intention. Personally I find it helpful to do some research on the internet about things which concern me. It can sometimes help me to gain a better and/or different perspective on things. Some things that you might consider: We can't compare ourselves with what has happened to other people. Specifically related to IQ tests, any comparison made would be better made with a test, of the same type (there are various types of IQ tests), that you took previously. Examples: Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children Differential Ability Scales Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Adults Peabody Individual Achievement Test Here is another site, Medical News Today, which also states that an IQ of 100 is average. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327241#testing This is at the bottom of the page. Please note the text that I have highlighted. "Summary The average IQ score in the U.S. is around 100. However, although IQ scores may provide some insight into a person’s overall intellectual capability, people should avoid placing too much emphasis on the results of these tests. Cultural factors, nutrition, access to education, and illness can all play a role in how well a person will score on an IQ test." * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted May 19, 2020 Administrator Share Posted May 19, 2020 Kiki, we don't know anything here about intelligence tests or what yours means. ChessieCat was only trying to understand. It's unfair to pick a fight with her. I sympathize with your outrage but we can't help you here. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
kiki2015 Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Altostrata said: Kiki, we don't know anything here about intelligence tests or what yours means. ChessieCat was only trying to understand. It's unfair to pick a fight with her. I sympathize with your outrage but we can't help you here. Ok Altostrata, firstly I wasn't picking a fight. That is false. I was merely defending myself, ok. I was offended and should be able to defend myself when people intentionally or unintentionally behave in this way. Medication history: 2002-2004 olanzapine, 2.5 2003-2004- 10 olanzapine, ~2005-2007 quetiapine, 300mg 2006- zopiclone, 2 weeks, 2007 - 2013= abilify, 2013-2016- tapering abilify Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted May 20, 2020 Moderator Share Posted May 20, 2020 And now we should all be intelligent enough to just drop it before thing escalate and we have to start having to issue warnings. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
kiki2015 Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 8:16 PM, Altostrata said: Kiki, we don't know anything here about intelligence tests or what yours means. ChessieCat was only trying to understand. It's unfair to pick a fight with her. I sympathize with your outrage but we can't help you here. I think you're really cruel. So much for helping people but when it gets completed it becomes even too unbelievable for you to believe. So what is the point of this website. You're chucking me out because I don't have a happy ending. I'm sorry but if there's anyone who's been affected it's me. I have been diagnosed with severe cognitive impairments and it's down to the meds. It's not fair to keep people cheated this way by expecting everyone to have a good outcome even after so many years. I definitely don't have a good outcome and I'm not exaggerating it. You tell chessy cat not to speak to me the way she did because I have severe neurological damage Medication history: 2002-2004 olanzapine, 2.5 2003-2004- 10 olanzapine, ~2005-2007 quetiapine, 300mg 2006- zopiclone, 2 weeks, 2007 - 2013= abilify, 2013-2016- tapering abilify Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted June 9, 2020 Administrator Share Posted June 9, 2020 No, kiki. we just don't know anything about your problem. This is a support site for tapering and withdrawal syndrome, not all kinds of adverse effects from psychiatric treatment. You don't seem to have withdrawal syndrome. We can't answer your questions and we don't have any advice to give you. We're sympathetic but your situation is out of our scope. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
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