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Hello everyone and warm wishes to everyone suffering with mental health problems, I believe there is hope for all of us somewhere. :)

I'd like to get some opinions on Effexor.. I started on it after a stressful event made my DP/DR go nuts, I started seeing visual disturbances and freaked out. The doc put me on Effexor, it almost immediately made me feel dizzy and sick like I'd been poisoned. Following that I perceive that I felt a numbing of my emotions. I've been on it for a few years now and my libido has started to drop which has become a problem in my relationship so I'm keen to ditch the stuff. My anxiety DP/DR problems haven't gone but I'm feeling confident and they have improved somewhat.

If I were to come off the Effexor I'd do it with a slow taper probably looking at being down to 0 in around 6 months. I'm sure I will feel some side effects but hopefully that should be a slow enough taper to minimise them.. if it's not, I can increase it to a year, the length of time isn't super important. However, my concern is.. how much has the Effexor suppressed the original anxiety that was there? I still feel highly stressed, so it certainly hasn't been a wonder drug but is it possible that coming off it will make things considerably worse? What I'm getting at is: do people here think Effexor is powerful at reducing symptoms of anxiety or is it mostly a placebo?

Thanks :)

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Welcome ZD.

So glad you found this site.

You might like to fill out your drug sig. that will help the moderators. What dose ? When start ?etc any other drugs? etc

 

Check out the link on tapering effexor

Tips for tapering off Effexor (venlafaxine)

 

Yep no more effective than a placebo you are right except unlike a placebo it comes with hundreds of side effects known and unknown! Any benefit derives from placebo responding.

(see I Kirsch 'The emperors new drugs'p24).

 

Great idea to get of this drug. 

Brilliant decision.

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This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

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Oops, sorry ZD but i just realized your current dose (225mg) ? is in your thread title.

 

Not exactly a low dose. I think 6 months might be a tad on the too fast side if you are considering tapering off.

How do you feel about the idea of increasing the taper to (slowNormal) about 4 years?

 

You say you had  DP/DR prior to effexor.

Do you know the cause of that ? Have you ever taken other  psychotropics drugs prior to effexor?

 

We are suffering mental health problems serious iatrogenic injuries that are unacknowledged by the very people who inflicted them.

Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen

We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. 

URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting  for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing.

http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651   

Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos.

Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you

Recovering paxil addict

None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. 

This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! 

  "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped."  Dr Mosher. Me too! 

Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015

I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015

Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017

 

 

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Welcome ZeeDeveel,

 

I'm also tapering Effexor.  We recommend a much gentler taper, reducing by no more than 10% of your current dose each month.  This allows your brain time to adjust as you go, and lessens any withdrawal. 

 

It is common to mistake withdrawal symptoms for ‘relapse’ and at this point that many people get drawn back into using drugs, believing they are not healed.  So if you do notice anxiety as you taper, don't be drawn into that mistake.  We have a thread here on Non-drug techniques for coping with emotional symptoms which has many ideas.  You might like to make a start on that before you begin tapering. 

 

You might also find it reassuring to read about neuro-plasticity and brain restoration.  It gave me a lot of hope when I first came here.

 

Anatomy of an Epidemic explains how ad's often provide a window of relief from one's anxiety etc, but that once that window closes, that's it.  The trick is not to keep searching for another elusive 'window.'  That just gets people into complicated drug cycles.  

 

Please feel free to come back to this thread and ask any further questions or discuss your situation.  There will  be lots of support for you here. 

 

Karen

2010  Fluoxetine 20mg.  2011  Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS.  Effexor 150mg. 

2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants.  Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. 

Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms).

8 month hold.

2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent).

2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.

My story of healing:ContinuedHealing

***I am not a doctor; please do your own research and be able to take responsibility for decisions you make.*** 

           'The possibility of renewal exists so long as life exists.'  Dr Gabor Mate.

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4 years? Wowza, I hope it doesn't need to take that long. I am starting gently though. I have a 150 pill and a 75 pill, I reckon I've been cutting about 15% off of the 75 so that's like maybe 215mg out of 225mg now, no adverse affects as yet. I'll keep it like this for a fortnight and then try shaving another 10mgs.

I've been on Prozac and Citalopram previously, coming off those was pretty easy, I remember some head zaps on the Citalopram and increased anxiety but nothing bad.

I've had experiences with non-medicated psychotropic drugs and was worried this had caused my DP/DR, but it seems less and less likely. For 2 years I'd have some party pills maybe every other weekend, a few of the weekends were quite messy. Never weed or much coke. Had odd experiences with other more psychadelic things but few and far between.

The DP/DR I think was probably influenced by taking things but there's been a strong correlation with stressful events in my life. It all started after a breakup when I was so angry and betrayed, I felt like I was gonna snap... so that's a pretty logical time for a disociative disorder to start, right? Also I've taken hard drugs maybe twice since it started - which was a long time ago now and they had no effect on it, made it neither better or worse, but there are times when I've had panic attacks and my DP/DR has been off the flippin' scale like I was in another dimension. Every single moment was pure agony. Felt like the entire world was an illusion, that I was an illusion, that I lacked solidity, that I wasn't real, 2D etc non-stop 24 hours a day, I couldn't sleep or do anything, just pure panic and dread and terror for weeks. Yet when I eventually calmed down and got some proper sleep the DP/DR would return to it's usual level. Also, I initially had no DP, just DR. I remember thinking DP must be weird, I can't imagine what that'd be like to have... Then I went out to the pub with my mates at a time when I was very mentally stressed, I remember feeling uncomfortable the whole time, really tense and unhappy. When I got home that night, I started watching some crappy Ryan Reynolds chick flick to calm me down and when one character moved, I saw a blurry trail behind her, what is referred to as "ghosting". I'd heard this was associated with HPPD disorder which I think is permanent and irreversible drug damage to the brain. I just lost the plot. That was the start of my weeks of hell and that's when the DP started, I remember feeling dizzy like I was gonna fall over and I looked down at my hands and they seemed like they didn't belong to me, that they lacked solidity etc. So as I said, all along anxiety and stress has been the theme. I asked a couple of psychiatrists and neuroscientists if it was the drugs and they said the drugs could have been a catalyst or exacerbated things but the anxiety is what's caused it and tbh that makes sense.
 

Oops, sorry ZD but i just realized your current dose (225mg) ? is in your thread title.

 

Not exactly a low dose. I think 6 months might be a tad on the too fast side if you are considering tapering off.

How do you feel about the idea of increasing the taper to (slowNormal) about 4 years?

 

You say you had  DP/DR prior to effexor.

Do you know the cause of that ? Have you ever taken other  psychotropics drugs prior to effexor?

 

We are suffering mental health problems serious iatrogenic injuries that are unacknowledged by the very people who inflicted them.

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Welcome, ZD.

 

Please do not take recreational drugs while you are tapering Effexor. This will complicate things enormously and we might not be able to help you should you develop severe symptoms.

 

Please read this carefully Tips for tapering off Effexor (venlafaxine) (thank you, nz). As your dose gets lower and lower, it will become more and more important to be precise about dosing.

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Thanks Alto, don't worry I don't even drink these days and my coffee is decaff. :P
 

Welcome, ZD.

 

Please do not take recreational drugs while you are tapering Effexor. This will complicate things enormously and we might not be able to help you should you develop severe symptoms.

 

Please read this carefully Tips for tapering off Effexor (venlafaxine) (thank you, nz). As your dose gets lower and lower, it will become more and more important to be precise about dosing.

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  • 3 years later...

Hi Zee,

 

If you’re still using the same email, how are you doing?

Early September 2019 - One 25mg dose of Sertraline taken.

Early October 2019 - Five 25mg doses (pills) of Sertraline taken for five consecutive days.

Withdrawal/reaction happened on the 27th of October (2019) in the evening.

Symptoms that have gone: Joint and muscle pain/weakness in my legs, phantom senses, chemical dread, chemical fear, DP/DR has gotten a lot lot better than what it is now, it was one of my worst and all-encompassing symptoms when it started, awful aphasia, parkinsonism, head pressure, pressure in my frontal lobe when trying to think/work out something, inability to plan or execute anything//feelings of being literally scatterbrained, inability to think in my head other than slight acknowledgements - the voice in my head sounded weak and 'small' like it was restrained to a much smaller area of my brain, constant fatigue, emotional numbness, constant eyestrain, and changes in perception of colour/contrast in sight.

Main remaining symptoms: Visual Snow/HPPD, derealisation, tinnitus, and brain/cog fog.

Drug free.

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