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btdt

They just keep dreaming up new things to torment human being with don't they. At the end of the day does it matter maybe it does to some not so much to me at this point I put all those drug in the same pile.. another experiment that has a bill that must be paid that is never paid by the people who dream it up as they are too smart to ever take it. 

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btdt

I am seeing in coments sections a lot of armchair pro-pharma experts saying the usual things about chemical imbalance and insulin for diabetes, but the new thing I had noticed today in comments sections is the use of the term "conspiracy theorists" for people who cite study after study exposing the dangers of psych drugs. To me that means the opposition is now clutching at straws. I don't see it as a genuine conspiracy, as if it were planned genocide. But the silence of drug companies, media, FDA, and doctors functions like a conspiracy.

I don't think they are clutching at anything they have been here before and they are the doing the same thing they always do putting out their paid puppets the talking heads to add just enough of what they want into the conversation... exactly like they always do... then it will pass and nothing will change. 

 

Due to the already seeded brains of the general public seeded by cover groups running adds on depression for pharma ... may as well be pharma as pharma funds them and runs them... and other directly funded pharma propaganda and federally run programs that spout the same pharma nonsense... armchair Joe thinks he has this all wrapped up when in reality pharma has this all wrapped up.

 

I am sad to say this is how it always goes with every mass murder suicide caused by these drugs this is how it always goes. There is nothing new under the sun... a couple of decent critics and a few articles that made the light of day that are swirling there along with  the cesspool of  media crap that we know is crap. There is always a bit of good with the bad light with the dark it has been here this time too at the end of the day in the past the end result it nothing changes and it will die down as the next war hits or financial disaster... that is how it has gone over the years. 

 

It just fades away. Like us we are here in our forum picking at this and that and hoping for healing but we are tucked away out of the lime light as the light does not want us we are not relevant not really to most folks who are just living their lives best they can in a somewhat rough times for some. 

 

Maybe I need a laser light of optimism to be shone down my spine or something I don't know but I am telling you how it goes and next drug disaster maybe you will think of this post. 

I wish you peace 

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westcoast

I am glad I met you. That is one good thing to come out of this baloney.

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UnfoldingSky

I don't think I saw this story up here, sorry if I missed it:

 

http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/03/germanwings-pilot-reportedly-antidepressants-many-banned-us-faa/

 

Germanwings Pilot Reportedly Had Antidepressants — Many Banned By US FAA

 

In The News March 30, 2015
 

Germany's Die Welt has reported that the German pilot who apparently deliberately crashed a commercial passenger plane had antidepressant drugs in his home, according to CNN. The US Federal Aviation Administration has banned US pilots from taking many SSRI antidepressants.

 

"Die Welt, a German newspaper, cited an unidentified senior investigator who said [co-pilot Andreas] Lubitz suffered from a severe 'psychosomatic illness' and German police seized prescription drugs that treat the condition," stated CNN. "Lubitz suffered from a 'severe subjective burnout syndrome' and from severe depression, the source told Die Welt. The New York Times also reported that antidepressants were found during the search of his apartment. CNN has not been able to confirm the reports."

 

more at the link above, including the mention of a link between drugs and violence....

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btdt

However, I am glad I met you. That is one good thing to come out of this baloney.

I am glad I meant you too :) thanks

You know if I did not feel like **** just now I would likely be up burning the midnight oil and posting comments too.. hard to say if it jaded or illness or both that keeps me quiet just now. I always have been right in the fight waiting with bated breath to see what some of the posters would respond as I was sitting waiting ready to fire... who else would have so much at stake in such an encounter than a person who's life CHANGED lets use that word... cause of these drugs. 

 

I look at this pilot and I think for the grace of God there I go... I really do.  Prozac was the one that could for sure send me there... and I know it... there is nothing so terrifying in the world ..in my world. 

 

I watched this a long time now.  I can't help but think of all the people I have meant along the way who I have lost touch with cause of sites being closed and I am wondering how they are handling this big new story... I will bet they are reading I hope they are ok. 

Some I know are likely still working hard to change things wherever they are.  It is not something that will be easily changed it will take changing the system and that may never happen... that is how it looks form here. 

 

The reason the one on one posts are so important is we just never know who is going to be offered the drug or have a loved one offered ... reading one of our posts could be just enough to have them stop and look up the drug and maybe even the side effects and withdrawal. We can only hope the way it is now they will think they had better take any drug the doctors say or they will be acting like the pilot... that is how the stomach turns...every single time... I just expect it now.

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dcrmt

Dunno if it's been posted in the thread but Huffington post published this by Breggin:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/antidepressants-pilots-ta_b_542240.html

and I found this as well:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2015/03/29/faa-procedures-for-pilots-with-depression-taking-ssris/

It's taking some time for this angle to leak from the fringes into the mainstream and it's not the main narrative yet, but it's getting there slowly but surely.

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I think every deveolped country in the world has a pharma industry... Including France and Germany.... so dcrmt look it up but I am sure of it.  I am still sick so sitting this one out mostly but can't help seeing the news.  

 

Of course they do - they have drug companies that make drugs, yeah.

 

But I don't think any of those companies have that big a stake in SSRI's and similar drugs.

 

With the exception of Lundbeck and whoever developed Luvox (Belgian) pretty much all the companies that developed and promoted SSRI's are British or American and the big three that really pushed it hard, Eli Lilly, Pfizer, and GSK are all anglo-american.

European companies just aren't neck deep in the slop like British/American ones are - this 'disease', mass drugging of the population and of children is more prevalent in the anglo world as well. 

 

Yes I think there's at least one German company that did the reasearch behind one of the newer 'Serotonin Modulator and Stimulator' drugs but even then it's often an anglo company that gets involved in taking the drug to market, licenses it in a given market. Forest Labs does a ton of that in the US. Did it for lexapro, AFAIK is doing it for Viibryd too.

 

I think it's very fortuitous that this happened in Europe and not in the US or somewhere like Australia/NZ.

Not fortuitous that it happened mind you, but this is probably the best chance since Columbine for the truth to come out in a very big way.

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ang

All I can say is, if these articles allow a comment, comment, open and honestly.... If it is the last thing I can do, I will damn comment,.   at the level people understand, replying to these articles... please, please take the time to link via facebook , and take the time to comment.  I did,  I told them I wanted to drown my baby, yes WHILE IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION, TOTALLY SUPERVISED.   THE DRUGS WERE FORCED ON ME, LUCKILY I DID NOT DROWN MY BABY... CUASE THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER INNOCENT BABY DEAD, AND A LOVING MOTHER SPENDING LIFE IN JAIL.  SPEAK THE TRUTH!

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ang

Well done westcoast. so just cut and paste... dont know how to do it

 

right click, highlight the link  (has to be the full original link, not the abbreviated one)...

once highlighted, go to the commenbts section (that you have already signed in to using your facebook account) then put the ;curser in the right place, right click and paste... all done,. then enter... dont need to comment, if you dont wanto...

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ang

I dont care anymore, I wanted to drown my baby, but that was 19 years ago... I can be honest.  The drugs did it, nothing else.HE IS ALIVE AND WELL..........

Then I had a zoloft half a heart baby, died an agonising death, and I reported it to everyone, now 19 years later, they suing in USA?  And I cant sue, cause I am in Australia?  They ignored me for 19 damn years... Hope they all have to live with the thoughts I live with every damn day, a lovely newborn dying an agonising death. After three days, I had to turn off life support?????? Yes I reported it to Mr zoloft, and Australian Health............ Strange how they did a last minute check of my friends babys heart?  And YET THEY DENY THEY DID IT BECAUSE SHE WAS ON ZOLOFT?  Yes another zoloft half a heart baby...........................

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btdt

I dont care anymore, I wanted to drown my baby, but that was 19 years ago... I can be honest.  The drugs did it, nothing else.HE IS ALIVE AND WELL..........

Then I had a zoloft half a heart baby, died an agonising death, and I reported it to everyone, now 19 years later, they suing in USA?  And I cant sue, cause I am in Australia?  They ignored me for 19 damn years... Hope they all have to live with the thoughts I live with every damn day, a lovely newborn dying an agonising death. After three days, I had to turn off life support?????? Yes I reported it to Mr zoloft, and Australian Health............ Strange how they did a last minute check of my friends babys heart?  And YET THEY DENY THEY DID IT BECAUSE SHE WAS ON ZOLOFT?  Yes another zoloft half a heart baby...........................

Ang I am so sorry for you baby... sorry for the way you have been mistreated by doctors who thought they were doing the right thing.  I think it is insane you can't sue in your country.  Even here in Canada where lawyers will not return calls about Ad reactions withdrawals ect... they draw the line at death and birth defects if you have that here ... a lawyer will answer the phone from what I hear anyway. 

I worry about you I know you have lived with this a long time I know it has tortured you... I can feel it.  

This time in early withdrawal every bad thing that ever happened gets magnified... inside of us... I urge you to take time to do self care... as you have had way too much pain already.  I know your use to it but enough if enough... please take good care of yourself ...some times that means turning off news sites and finding a relaxation video.  We need to help folks in the early days be aware of the need to rest as it is a time when it is not always noticed... I know this from having been there.  I urge you to relax I am in no way trying to silence you... just urging that you take great care at this time to seek some form of balance. 

I wish you peace

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westcoast

oh well..

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Thanks..............but how many people are in the position to say they were going to drown their baby  UNDER THE WATCHFULL EYES OF A LOCKED MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.   I can speak now, my son is now 19, I have told him....  how many can not speak, that they murdered their own children, in a drug induced state.... I was forcibly medicated, due to a bad reaction to a valium, that the gp forgot he gave me??? god I wish I had punched a policeman, I would have had an overnighter in the lockup, instead I WAS FORCIBLY MEDICATED FOR THREE WEEKS, THEN SENT HOME DRY?>   The horrors set in I went on Zoloft, and then I had to watch a newborn baby die in agony, yes a zoloft half a heart.  For 19 years I reported this, for 19 years ignored.  Yes I am angry, yes I am distraught, yes I feel for others who actually murdered their babies on this ****. Yes I feel for everyone, put on these mind bending drugs.....

 

Speak up, or forever hold your tongue..  Hugs  everyone................  I can speak out, how lucky I am.xx

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ang

Thanks westcoast.  just a matter of reading articles, scroolling to the bottom, and seeing if there is a place to post an opinion... then sign in with your fb account, cut n paste, as many times as you possibly can... simple x

 

Trying to get newspapers to listen, or FDA or anyone to listen is a waste of time.  Talk to those that listen, other people  hugs x  Put just that little bit of doubt in their minds, works a treat.  and this one is brilliant, but you have to go to the orignial link, and cut and paste the whole link from there, just save it as a word document, easy then to cut and paste the full link, anywhere x

 

this one is a good one too

 

https://detenganlavacuna.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/john-virapen-side-effects-death-confessions-of-a-pharma-insider.pdfhttps://detenganlavacuna.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/john-virapen-side-effects-death-confessions-of-a-pharma-insider.pdf

 

but make sure the full link is posted, ie just check by clicking on it when you have posted it....  if it doesnt work go to the original link, and cut and paste the full link as written in the top of the page.  

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westcoast

Ang, what happened to you is way too much. If there is a class action in the US, there might be more in other countries if the lawyers make a big pile of money off it. That will make other lawyers want to do it too, and the research that one the case has already been done.

 

Wanting to drown your baby is not the same as doing it. Your head was deranged you were able to control the urge.

 

Your baby having half a heart and dying? That is so completely f^cked up that there are no other ways to say it. I hope you keep up your commenting and exposing this crap. They have got to be more women like you in Australia. There must be a way gather together and find an attorney.

 

I hope you forgive yourself for your drowning urge and for being on psych drugs. Neither was your fault.

 

I am glad you are here and I have seen your comments on other sites, too. It is the best we can do, and you are doing it.

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ang

Of course, I knew my head was fucked, I didn't drown my baby, but god I didn't tell the nurses and psychs that did I?    As for my darling half a heart, a friend was on zoloft, and at the last minute they did an ultrasound, one week before birth, focussing on the babys heart.  They knew, cause I told them.  Yes another zoloft half a heart.  But no-one ever admitted that, 19 damn years it has taken, all those deformed babies.... If it wasn't zoloft, and me complaining, why the hell would they do a late ultrasound, on my friend, focussing on the heart?  Evilness and corruption is out there.  They knew for 19 damn years, they have known.  I have asked the equivalent of the FDA in Australia, to dig out my old report.   That would be interesting.  Because reported to Australias FDA?  of course they reported it to USA.

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westcoast

The "this will stigmatize depression!" Thing is ridiculous. Or, "this will stigmatize mental illness."

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And I didnt want money, that is why the USA system is so damn fucked.  I wanted to save other people going thru what I went thru.  I was a victim of the Viva Zyprexa campaign... What happens  ?  USA government sues zyprexa for false advertising,   ie give it to tired women, who AINT PSYCHOTIC....USA GOVERNMENT  gets millions billions, but the victims?  Silch.  THE VICTIMS, AS ALWAYS GET NOTHING.IT IS ABSURD..   it is the American way?  sorry, just a wee bit disappointed.

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And it takes 19 years of deformed babies, for not the USA government to damn listen, BUT FOR A CLASS ACTION OF OVER 500 PEOPLE TO SUE THE COMPANY?  I DONT GET IT?  Like money can repay a person who watches a newborn die an agonising death?  Money?  and remember, for every one of those 500, there will be another hundred for each one....   that hasn't worked it out, or found a lawyer, like I cant find a lawyer... That means 50,000+ deformed babies, way worse than thalidomide.

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westcoast

Doctors and nurses do not seem to be more noble than anyone else.

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westcoast

I agree. Giving someone money after you killed their baby is revolting. Who would even take it? Except they probably need it. When the doctors destroy your health, taking the payment would be a great satisfaction.

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westcoast

Yes it is the American way. The victims of the false ads should get the damned money. When the banks were wrecking peoples lives with the lending scandals, they paid huge settlements...to the government.

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ang

god bless your honesty westcoast, I wish you well,,   xxxxxxx    and dont stress was difficult seeing a healthy baby, turn to agonising fits, and turning off his life support.  But I am glad, I grieved, I now have a healthy happy James Steven Offer.      Never a replacement, but one that is happy and healthy.  My friends baby is now about 14, suffered so many agonising operations......   

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westcoast

sun's up. :)

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westcoast

James Steven is a very nice name. I like old fashioned classic names.

 

Is the 14 year old in good health now.

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westcoast

"Secondly, a lot of people are rabidly opposed to Big Pharma, and will spin out horror stories that are either exaggerated or flat out made up, in order to peddle homeopathy or holographic wristbands or some other form of quackery."

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westcoast

oh boy.

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westcoast

Oh golly, and another guy who must be an expert--he is interest in depression drugs!

 

Get a load of this: http://qr.ae/QfaYK

 

At the of his post he goes into a tailspin, calling us shrill and irrational people who should be shut up.

 

Oddly, he thinks that what will shut us up is new, better drugs.

 

Therefore...the drugs we are complaining about are excellent, and we are crazy to complain. Nut if we had better drugs, we would not complain.

 

Does not mean that he thinks we are complaining about real problems with the current drugs?

 

These people trip over their tutus trying to explain their positions.

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Why wasn't the doctor who said he was unfit for work under a duty of care to inform his employers, as he was in a position of public responsibility.  If his employers had been told he was unfit to fly I am almost sure they would have prevented him from working and replaced him with someone else.

 

I know a pilot in UK whose wife died at a young age leaving him with 2 children and he had to undergo all sorts of tests before he could fly again, and was grounded for 6 mths as a matter of routine.

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westcoast

Some of the newspapers have said that Germany has strict privacy laws. It seems that the doctor would not have been allowed to.

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westcoast

Those two girlfriends are going to be able to sell their stories. They will be able to explain a lot, and I hope they tell us about all this drugs.

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btdt

Oh golly, and another guy who must be an expert--he is interest in depression drugs!

 

Get a load of this: http://qr.ae/QfaYK

Send him a link to SA :)

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btdt

Thanks westcoast.  just a matter of reading articles, scroolling to the bottom, and seeing if there is a place to post an opinion... then sign in with your fb account, cut n paste, as many times as you possibly can... simple x

 

Trying to get newspapers to listen, or FDA or anyone to listen is a waste of time.  Talk to those that listen, other people  hugs x  Put just that little bit of doubt in their minds, works a treat.  and this one is brilliant, but you have to go to the orignial link, and cut and paste the whole link from there, just save it as a word document, easy then to cut and paste the full link, anywhere x

 

this one is a good one too

 

https://detenganlavacuna.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/john-virapen-side-effects-death-confessions-of-a-pharma-insider.pdfhttps://detenganlavacuna.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/john-virapen-side-effects-death-confessions-of-a-pharma-insider.pdf

 

but make sure the full link is posted, ie just check by clicking on it when you have posted it....  if it doesnt work go to the original link, and cut and paste the full link as written in the top of the page.  

I will say it one more time

 

Please don't use your own name in fb replies... 

and please do not put your email on the open forum.. your name or you kids names... it is just my opinion but I think it unsafe. 

 

It could be I am a nutter... 

just my opinion and the mods can delete your sons name... but you have to ask them. 

 

There will be time for all this later..when we are recovered... or at least well... I hope both you ladies are taking good care of yourselves and wish you both peace 

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btdt

If anyone has doubts about the harm these drugs can cause and if they really want to know they should read the transcripts from the 2004 hearings... facts from family member after family member who testified.  One lady came to the hearings in the USA from France to tell her story ... all those people showed up in the hope the drugs would be banned.  They got a black box warning. 

 

And post a link to SA saying what this site is about you never know who may be reading that needs to know what is known here...seems SA is the only game in town now. 

peace

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