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http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/06/28/safest-psychiatric-drugs-low-risk-effective-medications/

 

I don't know if this is true ... but I found it so you can take a look if you like

 

1. Buspar 2. Clonidine 3. Guanfacine 4. Nuvigil (Armodafinil) 5. Provigil (Modafinil) 6. Wellbutrin (Bupropion) 7. Strattera (Atomoxetine)

Plenty more at the link.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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i dont buy it.

 

for any drug there is, there will be people with horrible responses, people with neutralish responses, and people with good responses.  those drugs listed are not usually "lower risk" in some general way, they just have a lower average incidence or severity of very particular risks.

 

their still causing things like withdrawal syndrome, suicidality, sexual dysfunction, and "mood disorders" makes me quite reticent to say there is a list of "safer" or "safest" psychiatric drugs.  there are moreso persons with less degrees of risk, but we rarely have the ability to significantly measure the level of most of those risks.

 

saying drugs are safer because we rule some side effects as 'better' or 'worse' to deal with (like temperature dysregulation versus nausea) is oftentimes just a shell game.  they all cause unwanted effects, they can all lead to debilitation or outright disability due to those effects, and they all cause those effects in a meaningful percentage of patients.

 

and that is not even a statement against the potential usefulness of drugs.  some people find them helpful, albeit the minority.  the point is that it can be obscuring or dishonest to start drawing distinctions that cannot even apply in a deterministic manner on the individual level of patient treatment.  noting relative incidence is not necessarily misleading, but couching comparisons in unscientifically preferential terms can begin to chip away at informed consent.

 

it is also good to remember that some of those drugs are most often used as add-on prescriptions, meaning their side effects, drug interaction risks, and tapering/withdrawal stresses will most commonly be compounded in ways we do not really know enough about.  i can empathize with wanting to find the less problematic drugs for the cases where people really want to be taking them, and do not necessarily disagree with some of their inclusions if we are required to draw from those classes of drugs, but actual use situations will not necessarily be adequately represented by those run-downs.  (and references to things like discontinuation statistics from clinical trials, and genesight-type testing give the impression there is a lot of stretching going on to make things seem more meaningful than they are.)

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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(and references to things like discontinuation statistics from clinical trials, and genesight-type testing give the impression there is a lot of stretching going on to make things seem more meaningful than they are.)


 

 

We all know that and I may have just done a disservice in posting it at all.  I wonder where the blogger got the information from... I didn't ask and it may not be reliable for all I know it is a drug company posing as a blogger to push the drugs they make... yes I am jaded... still if any of it is true... maybe it could help somebody.. maybe it could hurt somebody too... why am I still gullable on some level ... I keep thinking being jaded protects me from gullable but apparently it doesn't.

Thanks for the wake up call IU I needed that :)

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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ive read some interesting stuff there, on occasion.  a lot of it ends up being a little half-baked or incomplete, and some seems a bit dangerous.  the same is true for almost all sources on mental health or pharmaceuticals, and i am no expert or perfect source myself.

 

i believe i tried to add a comment about topiramate withdrawal like a year back and it kept rejecting the comment.  they have lively discussions sometimes, or interesting resources in the user comments section even if there arent back-and-forth conversations.  i think it is most useful as a place aggregating patient experiences, or priming thoughts on various connections.  they do promote some important ideas that not everyone is running with still, like antipsychotic-induced psychosis (especially as a notable withdrawal symptom): http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2014/04/16/can-withdrawal-from-antipsychotics-cause-psychosis/

 

when it comes to psychotropics, most of what you hear about usefulness and preferential regard is arbitrary.  it is just philosophical posturing, and whether or not someone specific benefits is much more individualistic.  having information out there can be good, but patients need to learn how to vet their sources and be more independent in their decisionmaking either way.  i think there is no need to trust particular sources; why let down your critical guard just because someone says some things you agree with?  i know you sometimes feel paranoid about dr healy, for instance.  i think that is perfectly normal.  take what you can be constructive with, and dont let the rest keep you from progressing in your own understanding and recovery.

 

ultimately, no one else can determine how well we are, or act.  it is good to advocate for informed consent---which means getting research and patient experiences pertaining to things like withdrawal disseminated---but we cannot bring down big pharma or crooked doctors as a practice or anyone of the other faceless entities, and doing so would not really solve the mental healthcare crisis.  they will all fall, inevitably, but we are still left with our personal responsibility to care for our own health.  spend enough energy to help other people make better decisions, but not enough to worry much about shifty motives, i say.

 

sometimes your post topics are scattershot, but you dig up some interesting things.  i wouldnt want you to stop being around or sharing.

from 2005-2012, i spent 7 years taking 17 different psychotropic medications covering several classes.  i would be taking 3-7 medications at a time, and 6 out of the 17 medications listed below were maxed or overmaxed in clinical dosage before i moved on to trying the next unhelpful cocktail.
 
antidepressants (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, tetracyclics): zoloft, wellbutrin, effexor, lexapro, prozac, cymbalta, remeron
antipsychotics (atypical): abilify, zyprexa, risperdal, geodon
sleep aids (benzos, off-label antidepressants & antipsychotics, hypnotics): seroquel, temazepam, trazodone, ambien
anxiolytics: buspar
anticonvulsants: topamax
 
i tapered off all psychotropics from late 2011 through early 2013, one by one.  since quitting, ive been cycling through severe, disabling withdrawal symptoms spanning the gamut of the serious, less serious, and rather worrisome side effects of these assorted medications.  previous cross-tapering and medication or dosage changes had also caused undiagnosed withdrawal symptoms.
 
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I just found it yesterday odd if it is a person they have not found SA maybe they have.  

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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