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What have you guys tried to help these issues? There has to be something that can be done for help. Anything????? I am completley brain dead and can't live like this anymore.

Paxil 10mg 2004-2011

7.5mg 4months

5mg. 4months

2.5mg.8 months no wd issues

Dropped pax 4-10-12

5-9-12 started prozac to alleviate symptoms (no relief)

5-22-12 reinstated paxil 2.5mg

5-28-12 5mg pax (couldn't tolerate sides)

6-22-12 Pax 2.5

6-30-12 Pax O

Cerebrolysin to help with wd at 29 months. Horrible decision much worse.

Still suffering sever Brain fog, Confusion, slow thinking,And just feeling sick and weird (hard to explain),facial twitching, weakness, shaking and jerking

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Only time and patience help, and perhaps a good dose of high quality fish oil every day.

 

My memory, which normally is well above average, went to the dogs when I was in withdrawal from Lexapro. It seemed like my thoughts were just moving too fast for any of them to take hold. I'd walk into a room and couldn't remember what I wanted there, although pausing and taking a deep breath would sometimes help to bring the thought back. Sometimes the memory wouldn't come back until I bumped into some kind of reminder, like an empty tea mug.

 

I've been in withdrawal (on a gradually lessening basis of symptoms) for sixteen months, and I'd guess that my memory began to come back about six to seven months after the last dose of Lexapro. Today my memory is as good as it's ever been, as is my ability to think clearly.

 

Telling yourself that you "can't live like this any more" is counterproductive. You're just making things harder on yourself by thinking that you aren't tough enough to get through this. You are, and your cognition WILL improve, but not right this minute.

Psychotropic drug history: Pristiq 50 mg. (mid-September 2010 through February 2011), Remeron (mid-September 2010 through January 2011), Lexapro 10 mg. (mid-February 2011 through mid-December 2011), Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg. as needed mid-September 2010 through early March 2012

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Hanlon's Razor


Introduction: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1588-introducing-jemima/

 

Success Story: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/6263-success-jemima-survives-lexapro-and-dr-dickhead-too/

Please note that I am not a medical professional and my advice is based on personal experience, reading, and anecdotal information posted by other sufferers.

 

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  • 2 months later...

My Mom asked me to taker her Pocketbook home with me while she is in the hospital doing her rehab for the stroke.  She is doing very well.  You would not know she had a stroke.

 

Well...........there was and envelope in the bag with cash in it.....so I hid it

 

Don't have a clue as to where I put it.  Have been looking for two days now. :blink:

 

Haven't had the courage to tell her yet :unsure:

 

I guess I have to keep looking...........it ain't easy getting older and forgetfulness from AD's.

Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/

 

Paxil 1997-2004

Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available

at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries

Lexapro 40mgs

Lexapro taper (2years)

Imipramine

Imipramine and Celexa

Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each

45mgs. Serzone  50mgs. Imipramine

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Mine is improving, though it has taken long enough. I wonder if NoRx is still around to give us an update, given that this thread was started a few years ago.

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I have been dealing with short-term memory issues like so many of you. I'm only 25 and it is very frightening to say the least. Before and during my use of antidepressants, I always had an above average memory, which really helped me excel in school. Now that I am off AD's, it seems like I have trouble remembering words, names, even things I did just minutes ago. Some days, my memory seems to be better but other days not so much. I do believe it is improving slightly overall. Hoping the memory issues continue to improve for not only myself but everyone else dealing with them on this board. All the best!  

Sertraline 2002-May 2012 for Social Anxiety/Depression
Prozac July 2012-November 2012
Tapered off and no longer taking any antidepressants

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Yeah I had that too and went off at age 24. At 28 still some issues but vastly improved. NoRx how is this going for you?

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I have weird memory symptoms.  I'm not sure what to attribute them to, so I wonder if anyone else has experienced anything alike.  In general, I have a lot of deja vus about people.  Plus sometimes I have memories that I don't know if they can really be memories, and I'm not sure if I can tell the difference between memories or non memories which come to me like memories.  What a mess it is.  A psychologist told me I could attribute it to depression.  A psychiatrist basically raised an eyebrow and referred me for further assessment which I skipped for fear of... assessment.  I don't know.  I' d say this has been happening for a few years at least, but I had had something similar about 20 yrs ago.  I was vegetarian at the time, I don't know if I messed up my brain with inadequate nutrition.  No doctor has ever taken that idea seriously.  The latter mentioned one that is.

16 yrs ago started zoloft for fatigue & bodily pains

went off 4-ish yrs ago

suffered major symptoms of mostly waves of anxiety & panic, also some mania & depression approx. 6 mo's later

went back on effexor 150,

down to 75,

went off to have a baby, off for about 6 months no symptoms

back on 25, then 50 a month post baby with major postpartum depression & anxiety waves,

finally okay on 75 but wondering if I'll be on for the rest of my life

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Hi omgwtf,

 

Unfortunately, the issue of memory is one that if medical professionals know what to do with, they will label it as a mental health issue as your psychologist did by wanting to label it as depression.

 

I don't have any good answers to address your concerns except to say that memory problems are quite common in withdrawal. Looking at your diet can't hurt and might help your situation.

 

Also, are you getting enough sleep?  The reason I am asking is my chronic sleep deprivation issues have hurt my memory big time.

 

Best of luck.

 

CS

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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I think this is common and gets better and comes back a bit back and forth.  For a long time I am sorry I can't recall how long or when... brain fog was a big issue for me... I would wake every single day with a head ache and started my day with advil lowest dose and coffee... since there is coffee in there I know it was not the first year after I quit cold turkey... I did this for a long time... months maybe. 

I would sit in my car if were summer..( I had a car then..) at the beach away from everyone as I was so irritable I did not want to be around people...or noise.  After an hour or two it would pass. 

At some point I started a diet.. the fatty liver diet from a book...one thing from the book was a salad I call it the grated salad... beets carrot and a green apple... with olive oil and lemon. ... for some odd reason this help my brain fog.. I narrowed it down to beets being the thing... I have no idea why but guessed it might be beets as I craved beets like mad before I quit taking Effexor ... like I did when I was pregnant... I have this idea our bodies crave what we need. 

 

I long ago stopped taking advil think when I had the last car accident.. stopped it completely as I had stomach pain ... but really stopped having that constant morning brain fog a couple of years ago. 

 

If I had to suggest something I think it would be grated beets.. first do no harm.  I am not sure everyone could or should take advil even at the lowest dose but I am almost positive every can eat a raw beet :) it may help if not it will not hurt you. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Hi everyone,

 

I am a relative newby on the path of detoxing off Effexor, but I am having severe problems with memory, retention, and comprehending things I read and hear.  It seems to be getting worse, or maybe it is just because I've had to go back to school at a late age and I just notice it more.  Does this stuff cause dementia?  Because I really feel as if I have it.  Anyone else having these severe problems?  Does it get better the further along you get off the Effexor?

 

Thanks!

12-2001 -- Started Effexor XR - 150 mg dose  2005 -- Tried to cold turkey off it.  Lasted 3 days and then went back on 150 mg.  2009 -- Went on generic Effexor due to cost.  Have had a lot more side effects on it.  09-24-13 -- Started tapering by taking 2 beads out of 150 mg capsule.  10-17-13 thru 07-17-14 -- Took 2 more beads out of capsule each month.  08-2014 -- Dropped by 8 beads.  Went into a HUGE depression.  05-03-15 -- Now taking 22 beads out of capsule.  Went to micro-taper of 2 beads every other week.  11-10-15 -- Taking 96 beads (About 54 out of capsule.  Reversed the way I was taking them since the amount in the capsule varies).  Can now drop 8 beads a month, 4 every other week, with no problem.  After a while switched to dropping 2 beads every Monday as 4 at a time was starting to affect me.  Have no problem with dropping 2 beads every Monday.  07-07-16 -- Now taking 43 beads with no problems. 09-27-16 -- Now taking 2 beads out every other Monday.  Am at 33 beads now.  12-11-17 -- I AM NOW OFF EFFEXOR!!!!!  

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I had severe memory and comprehension problems when I reached tolerance on effexor and it was worse after cold turkey... 

I cannot speak to taper as mine attempt was unsuccessful.  

 

This has improved but still seems to come and go I cannot say why... I think it is effexor cold turkey related.  I would suggest you seek advice from others who have tapered off effexor successfully.  I am hoping they had a better results than I have had. 

 

From looking at your taper schedule it would appear your going slowly and it appears your leaving plenty of time between drops.  I am sorry I have no advice to offer all I can say is yes effexor tolerance and taper and taking all affected my memory and my ability to think.  

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Hi, Bananas--

 

I have been tapering off Effexor since November; I'm down to 11.5 mg from 150 mg. Yes, my memory & comprehension have been severely affected by the Effexor. I used to have memory of a "steel trap". Now if I don't take very careful notes in meetings with clients, I am screwed!! At home, I have to ask my husband about things I can't remember. He has to fill in the word I can't think of, finish my thought for me, etc. Very annoying to both of us!! But he has been really supportive in this whole process. I hope this will go away when I get all the way off the evil Effexor.

 

You're not alone here. This site has been a lifeline for me since I started the wean. I was going way too fast & I was suffering horribly. When I signed on here, asked advice & followed it; I can tell you that it has been night & day difference. I am working, traveling, dealing with life, etc.

 

Good luck with your taper.

 

Anne

Oncologist prescribed Effexor 37.5 for hot flashes after my dx of breast cancer in December 2011. Up dosed to 75 then 150 XR before it worked. Decided to come off after my naturopath/nutritionist gave me a couple of supplements that worked on the hot flashes. Started weaning November 2013 from 150. Got down to 37.5 by mid-February 2014--WAY TOO FAST!! Found this site and am now going much slower. WD side effects are much better--still there-- but manageable. Lesson learned the hard way!!

 

Short RX for Xanax prescribed for PPD/anxiety after childbirth in 1985--about 3 months--can't remember dosage.

Effexor 150 XR March 2012dates are fuzzy)

Started taper November 2013

Mid February 2014--28 mg; 3/22/14--24 mg; 4/19/14--18.75 mg; 5/14/14--14.1 mg; 6/11/14--11.7 mg; 7/2/14--9.4 mg; 7/23/14--7.8 mg; 8/18/14--6.25 mg; 9/7/14--4.7 mg; 9/21/14--3.75 mg; 10/5/14--3.125 mg; 10/12/14 --2.56 mg; 10/19/14-2.34 mg; 10/26/14--1.56 mg; 11/2/14--1 mg; 11/9/14--.5 mg; 11/16/14--0 mg.

 

Current Rx:

 

Synthoid 100 mg daily

Cytomel 5 mg

Both due to thyroid cancer & subsequent removal of thyroid in June, 2010.

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Thank you both for the replies.  My seems to get worse and a little better as well, but is still always a problem.  Anne, like you I had a steel trap for a mind.  Met a person once and always remembered their name.  Retention and memory were spot on.  I can't find the words I want either.  See them in my mind and can't say them.  I am so afraid this is what Effexor will leave me with.  Wish I had never gone on it, but then don't we all?!?!  

12-2001 -- Started Effexor XR - 150 mg dose  2005 -- Tried to cold turkey off it.  Lasted 3 days and then went back on 150 mg.  2009 -- Went on generic Effexor due to cost.  Have had a lot more side effects on it.  09-24-13 -- Started tapering by taking 2 beads out of 150 mg capsule.  10-17-13 thru 07-17-14 -- Took 2 more beads out of capsule each month.  08-2014 -- Dropped by 8 beads.  Went into a HUGE depression.  05-03-15 -- Now taking 22 beads out of capsule.  Went to micro-taper of 2 beads every other week.  11-10-15 -- Taking 96 beads (About 54 out of capsule.  Reversed the way I was taking them since the amount in the capsule varies).  Can now drop 8 beads a month, 4 every other week, with no problem.  After a while switched to dropping 2 beads every Monday as 4 at a time was starting to affect me.  Have no problem with dropping 2 beads every Monday.  07-07-16 -- Now taking 43 beads with no problems. 09-27-16 -- Now taking 2 beads out every other Monday.  Am at 33 beads now.  12-11-17 -- I AM NOW OFF EFFEXOR!!!!!  

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Yes we all do.  

Had that kind of a mind myself... for dates other people in history class could never recall they would pump me for them just before exams... a mind full of seemingly useless information ... useless until I needed it. 

I now have trouble writing a reply I think it looks ok on here then when I read it later it is all messed up...part of the time.  I so hate what Effexor has done to my brain not only because of how it has changed how I see myself and must now relate to life but because a defunct brain is not conducive to finding the help or the answers I need to heal from this.  I have long ago given up on doctors to help me with this and when I am functional search for the answers myself as to do nothing is not an option for me. 

I so hate what I am left with and have to make a serious effort to find good in the small things I am left with in order to keep going. 

I wish you peace.

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Have the same problem ....with remeberance and just thinking.

 

They stopped the Effexor ( 50mg) in a clinic c/t and after 3 weeks I came in hell and this is now 2 years ago...

I still have this problems with thinking..

 

So this has one time to stop ?? I also think this has also to do with problems with the adrenal glands and if they are fixed maybe that is better than ? I hope so :)

 

Emely

2008 Seroquel/Quetiapin 100mg postpartal Depression and insomnia

thyroid removel (3 Grain Thyroid NDT)

tried many times to come off Quetiapin

during tapering got manic and depressed several times, got hospitalized, they uppered dose to 400mg Quetiapin 5/12 got Lamictal, Lithium, Remeron, Venlafaxin some weeks and months..was very depressed, bad body reactions,

3/22 to 75mg in little steps ,

was very stable , no symptoms for years

have a family, garden,household, was always very active , social..

2023 after Corona sleepless

5/23 got manic 

5/23 upped from 1•25mgIR/1•50mgRX(75mg) to 100mg IR

6/23 back to 2•25mgIR/1•50mgRX (100mg) 

after 2weeks Symptoms : musslestiffness,Tinnitus,Slow in movement, bad Depression,Anxiety in the night and morning, no feelings inside ,no more social, can‘t do household, gardening,work ,sleepless waking up in the night , big Problems with thinking

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Effexor  badly affected my memory and the psychiatrist had me for a brain scan

because I had the symptoms of alzheimers but it came back clear.  It started to

get better after I started to taper, still a long way to go and I don't think I'll ever have 

my photographic memory back but am happy with just remembering my kids names

for now! 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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MammaP you give me hope!  I so wish I was down to 4 beads and had some of myself back.  I have been so afraid I was developing Alzheimer's as well.  

12-2001 -- Started Effexor XR - 150 mg dose  2005 -- Tried to cold turkey off it.  Lasted 3 days and then went back on 150 mg.  2009 -- Went on generic Effexor due to cost.  Have had a lot more side effects on it.  09-24-13 -- Started tapering by taking 2 beads out of 150 mg capsule.  10-17-13 thru 07-17-14 -- Took 2 more beads out of capsule each month.  08-2014 -- Dropped by 8 beads.  Went into a HUGE depression.  05-03-15 -- Now taking 22 beads out of capsule.  Went to micro-taper of 2 beads every other week.  11-10-15 -- Taking 96 beads (About 54 out of capsule.  Reversed the way I was taking them since the amount in the capsule varies).  Can now drop 8 beads a month, 4 every other week, with no problem.  After a while switched to dropping 2 beads every Monday as 4 at a time was starting to affect me.  Have no problem with dropping 2 beads every Monday.  07-07-16 -- Now taking 43 beads with no problems. 09-27-16 -- Now taking 2 beads out every other Monday.  Am at 33 beads now.  12-11-17 -- I AM NOW OFF EFFEXOR!!!!!  

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Effexor  badly affected my memory and the psychiatrist had me for a brain scan

because I had the symptoms of alzheimers but it came back clear.  It started to

get better after I started to taper, still a long way to go and I don't think I'll ever have 

my photographic memory back but am happy with just remembering my kids names

for now! 

I had brain scans too and had previous ones to compare to there have been changes but I do not know what they mean at the bottom of the page there are suggested follow up test to see what it actually is but my neurologist does not think I need them.  My sysmptoms were closer to parkinsons MS ... 

 

Still not right but better than I have been at times.  It seems if I get sick or have a drug reaction (which I now have many reactions to drugs) the stupidness comes back fast and furious. It is scary to get any illness because of this. 

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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I completely share in the frustration here.  I'm newly off Effexor and HATE that I was ever on such an evil drug.  I have been completely off Effexor for close to a month (although I'm still taking Prozac).  My mind is foggy most of the time...difficulty remembering things and not thinking clearly.  DOES THIS EVER GET BETTER?  

Effexor XR since 1997 with Klonopin as needed
Zoloft during pregnancies in 2001 2004 and 2008
Tried Celexa many years ago, no success.
4.28.14 I felt Effexor XR no longer working, dr prescribed Viibryd - horrible side effects at 20mg, did not get to 40mg in starter pack
I asked dr to take me off all psych meds
Dr prescribed Prozac as bridge 10mg
After just a few days I quit Prozac CT 6.2.14
Withdrawal symptoms almost immediately - hot flashes, crying, irritability, GI issues
6.14.14 reinstated Prozac 10mg

Upon advice from forum, lowered dose Prozac 5mg

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Seems to come and go for me IF or when I get sick other otherwise compromised surgery a car accident it comes back on me.  That is what I find so far been off effexor for 6 years and 7 months.  It stayed with me coming and going always but it was less pronounced till a car accident then it came back in spades.  I am recently had a kidney infection and my brain power went to ziltch. 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

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I've been experiencing memory issues for a number of years now, but as usual I didn't get anywhere when I talked to doctors about it.  In addition, I've also noticed myself especially recently having a 'blank mind' when I try and respond to an issue or articulate what I want to say - it's like my thoughts just stop being processed and produced.  Needless to say I've been very worried about this, but as I can't seem to get off the antipsychotic I'm on anymore quickly than I am I'm not sure that there's anything I can do.

 

Have others of you been struggling with these two issues?  Have you found anything helpful?

History:- 1993: - prescribed Prozac - soon started having momentary episodes of psychosis - 1994: psychotic breakdown  - prescribed high doses of antipsychotics including Depixol, Chlorpromazine (with procyclidine to control pacing) and later prescribed olanzapine, haloperidol, risperidone with different antidepressants (relapsed or crashed each time I tried to reduce or withdraw from meds).  Can't recall all combinations of drugs have been on.   2007: amisulpride 400mg & venlafaxine 75mg    2013: Got down to 150mg amisulpride, but hospitalised with v.bad psychosis after dropping to this dose and coerced into taking 600mg (always hit problems when dropping below 200mg)  2014: reduced and then problematic symptoms of psychosis, mid-Dec - back up to 200mg,

Feb 2015 had reduced to 180.5mg crashed badly and suddenly and hospitalised : prescribed 300mg amisulpride, 10 mg aripripazole, 50 mg sertraline.  Gradually reduced to 60.75mg amisulpride and 10mg abilify only by Dec 2016.  shortly after 30/1/17 two days paranoia, held and stabilised.  made 2.5% reductions in amisulpride to get to 50mg amisulpride plus 10mg abilify.  Held for long period of time to let CNS stabilise as unable to tolerate any more reductions (from Aug 2017)   April 2018 40mg amisulpride and 10mg abilify.

 

Current Meds: 17.6mg amisulpride, 10mg abilify plus 2000mg metformin for type II diabetes

 

 

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I've had problems with this and still do at times. It was much worse when I first went into withdrawal.  For me it comes and goes in waves along with other symptoms and it still gets bad when I'm in a wave.  I agree that its frustrating and frightening.  I can't remember what I did a few hours ago or what day it is.  I also can't find words and a whole lot of other cognitive problems.  It seems to be quite common.  I've found that nothing helps apart from trying to relax accept it.

 

These kinds of symptoms can be caused by being on the drugs and withdrawal from them, but they will get better with recovery.  When I'm not in a wave, my memory and thinking is quite good now.

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

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Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes

Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine

Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered

Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days.

April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close.

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Terrible for me. Took some chicken out of the freezer yesterday - don't know where I have out it!

2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription.

Severe adverse reaction

Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on.

Poop out - December 2013

15mg

Currently on 13.5mg,

April 12mg

May 10th - 11mg

June 10th - 10mg

July 8th - 9mg

September - 0mg

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Big problem for me too for years but better now when I'm in a window. Waves are still

Bad and can't think or remember things. Last week I was driving and suddenly there were these red lights in front of me! I hadn't a clue where I was even though I'd been there many times. It was only fleeting but a bit scary too. Didn't sleep the previous night so was tired too. It was a huge problem before I started tapering.

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Yes happens ALL the time to me now it is so scary I myself haven't found a way to handle it but know you're not alone.

Fuoxetine 30mg for depression

Slowish taper to 20. Mild w.d

Then from 20-10mg hit problems,

Switched to paxil, lexapro, sertraline, citalopram had adverse reactions to them all.

 

Reinstated prozac at 10mg. Felt better.

Manufactor switch, more w.d.

Couldn't stabilize after switch, is it w.d or side effects?

Messed with dose daily changing from 10/5/8mg up head going crazy chaos.

Now I'm stuck what dose to take?

Because I don't know if the medication is just making things worse now.

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Thank you for those who've replied to my OP. 

 

Petu - It's great to hear that you've found that your memory and thinking has been good at times now. 

 

I really hope that we can all get a point where we notice that our memory has recovered or improved again.   

History:- 1993: - prescribed Prozac - soon started having momentary episodes of psychosis - 1994: psychotic breakdown  - prescribed high doses of antipsychotics including Depixol, Chlorpromazine (with procyclidine to control pacing) and later prescribed olanzapine, haloperidol, risperidone with different antidepressants (relapsed or crashed each time I tried to reduce or withdraw from meds).  Can't recall all combinations of drugs have been on.   2007: amisulpride 400mg & venlafaxine 75mg    2013: Got down to 150mg amisulpride, but hospitalised with v.bad psychosis after dropping to this dose and coerced into taking 600mg (always hit problems when dropping below 200mg)  2014: reduced and then problematic symptoms of psychosis, mid-Dec - back up to 200mg,

Feb 2015 had reduced to 180.5mg crashed badly and suddenly and hospitalised : prescribed 300mg amisulpride, 10 mg aripripazole, 50 mg sertraline.  Gradually reduced to 60.75mg amisulpride and 10mg abilify only by Dec 2016.  shortly after 30/1/17 two days paranoia, held and stabilised.  made 2.5% reductions in amisulpride to get to 50mg amisulpride plus 10mg abilify.  Held for long period of time to let CNS stabilise as unable to tolerate any more reductions (from Aug 2017)   April 2018 40mg amisulpride and 10mg abilify.

 

Current Meds: 17.6mg amisulpride, 10mg abilify plus 2000mg metformin for type II diabetes

 

 

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I have the worst memory issues lately, and I'll have been off meds 2 years in January. It's not improving at all.

 

I was talking to my mother the other day about how after ive driven somewhere, i can't for the life of me recall the actual trip. I can't remember which route I've taken, stopping at intersections, etc. When i try to think about it i just draw a complete blank. I sometimes get the whole "how on earth did i get here?" feeling. It's like a time warp. it's really scary because although one can assume I'm automatically being safe on the roads (no tickets, no accidents, no being pulled over for any reason), but it bothers me that one day that may not be the case. I'm obviously on autopilot and zoning out when i drive, but I'm not sure because i don't remember.

 

I also do other things absent-mindedly, like putting things in randomly weird places (eg. Found a dvd in the fridge last night after spending 3 days looking for the damn thing to return to the dvd rental place). I'll boil the kettle to make a cuppa then spend the next half an hour walking around the house looking for the cuppa that i had made half an hour earlier only to return to the kitchen to find the cup with a tea bag in it but no water.

 

I could go on and on with examples like this, but the driving thing scares me the most. My friends and family laugh at my forgetfulness, but i don't find it funny at all.

Drug history

  • On and off ADs about 3 times in a 10 year period - All CT with no problems
  • 6 months of ADs during pregnancy (can't remember what type or dosage) - CT a week after birth with no problems
  • 2 years of alcohol abuse - CT with moderate withdrawals
  • Approx 3 weeks of Remeron (Mirtazapine) 15mg - CT with massive withdrawals
  • One dose of Cymbalta 30mg (?) - Caused severe panic attack and binned them
  • Clean of all drugs (except nicotine) since Jan 30 2013
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Been on lexapro for 5 years with all kins of SE but never had thinking problems until lately increased dose from a long hold dose after tapering last year. My brain had boackout for hours not taking in and/ or producing information. It's the most scary symptoms as it made me disabled for work. Although it seems I can still do simple things at home like cleaning and cooking as though those steps are old and familiar steps not needing thinking.

 

It disappeared in the past week, thank goodness, after I stick to the same dose for a month ( was changing doses quite a bit when that happened by as tiny as 0.1mg). Some of the Other new symptoms came along with this one also subsided although I still have lots physical issues to endure every hour. My case seems caused by dose changes.

Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Petru,

since when after quitting drug you started to have windows? Did those windows always clearing the fog from your mind?

 

My short term memory and inability to talk with people on more complicated topics is killing me.

I can only react to thing that someone said now. Even when im trying to remember something (in ex. joke that I have read about 10 minuts before conversation is vanishing from my memory when I try to tell it)

I dont have problems with doing things, some with finding things in my house (but it was always issue for me)

february 2010 - september 2013 -  40mg of fluoxetine

Trying to be like motto of my city

Semper Invicta

 

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I have significant memory loss, problems concentrating and organising information. I find it very distressing as it's important for my work. I have not found these things to change in the window/wave pattern.

 

Am wondering if anyone has tried any brain training (games/apps/programs) etc and whether they had any positive impact?

Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017

 

>My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan

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Am wondering if anyone has tried any brain training (games/apps/programs) etc and whether they had any positive impact?

 

I have tried various brain training apps, and my response would be that they didn't help me. Of course, I never used them as often as I should have due to the fact that I now have the attention span of... well... something that doesn't have a great attention span. I get easily distracted and bored (and frustrated if the tasks are too hard for my poor little damaged brain).

 

Doesn't mean it wouldn't work for you. Everyone is different. Go forth and brain train! Couldn't hurt...

Drug history

  • On and off ADs about 3 times in a 10 year period - All CT with no problems
  • 6 months of ADs during pregnancy (can't remember what type or dosage) - CT a week after birth with no problems
  • 2 years of alcohol abuse - CT with moderate withdrawals
  • Approx 3 weeks of Remeron (Mirtazapine) 15mg - CT with massive withdrawals
  • One dose of Cymbalta 30mg (?) - Caused severe panic attack and binned them
  • Clean of all drugs (except nicotine) since Jan 30 2013
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I'm very early into WD, only one month three weeks, and I feel severely mentally impaired.  People with stories of improvement, please?

*I'm not a doctor and don't give medical advice, just personal experience
**Off all meds since Nov. 2014. Mentally & emotionally recovered; physically not
-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in Oct 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014

-All meds were Rxed off-label for an autoimmune illness.  It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but I did not find out until AFTER meds caused damage.  All med tapers/cold turkeys directed by doctors 

-Nortriptyline May 2012 - Dec 2013. Cold turkey off nortrip & cold switched to desipramine

-Desipramine Jan 2014 - Oct. 29, 2014 (rapid taper/cold turkey)

-Lorazepam 1 mg per night during 2011
-Lorazepam 1 mg per month in 2012 (or less)

-Lorazepam on & off, Dec 2013 through Aug 2014. Didn't exceed 3x a week

-Lorazepam again in Oct. 2014 to help get off of desipramine. Last dose lzpam was 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Immediate paradoxical reactions to benzos after stopping TCAs 

-First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs too stupid to figure it out. On desipramine, muscle tremors & rigidity worsened

-Two weeks after I got off all meds, I developed full-blown TD.  Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed.  NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it.

-Month 7: hair falling out; no vision improvement; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned
-Month 8: back to acute, incl. Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia
-Month 9: tardive dystonia worse, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat
-Month 13: Back to acute, brain zaps back, developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs now damaged
-7 years off: Huge improvements, incl. improved dystonia

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I am 30 months off and I still have brain fog. Not every day and not 24 hours. But long enough to sit blank in my working cube and pray that I can go home.

 

I would try anything to get rid of it. If you have any additonal ideas, please help.

Cold turkeyed Paxil in May 2012  :ph34r:

 

Finally recovered / see success story :)

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It really scares me to hear that you still have brain fog.

 

But the good news is that you can hold down a job. I can't even pick our my own clothes right now.

 

Please can someone give us a silver lining?

*I'm not a doctor and don't give medical advice, just personal experience
**Off all meds since Nov. 2014. Mentally & emotionally recovered; physically not
-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in Oct 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014

-All meds were Rxed off-label for an autoimmune illness.  It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but I did not find out until AFTER meds caused damage.  All med tapers/cold turkeys directed by doctors 

-Nortriptyline May 2012 - Dec 2013. Cold turkey off nortrip & cold switched to desipramine

-Desipramine Jan 2014 - Oct. 29, 2014 (rapid taper/cold turkey)

-Lorazepam 1 mg per night during 2011
-Lorazepam 1 mg per month in 2012 (or less)

-Lorazepam on & off, Dec 2013 through Aug 2014. Didn't exceed 3x a week

-Lorazepam again in Oct. 2014 to help get off of desipramine. Last dose lzpam was 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Immediate paradoxical reactions to benzos after stopping TCAs 

-First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs too stupid to figure it out. On desipramine, muscle tremors & rigidity worsened

-Two weeks after I got off all meds, I developed full-blown TD.  Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed.  NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it.

-Month 7: hair falling out; no vision improvement; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned
-Month 8: back to acute, incl. Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia
-Month 9: tardive dystonia worse, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat
-Month 13: Back to acute, brain zaps back, developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs now damaged
-7 years off: Huge improvements, incl. improved dystonia

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i am 30 months off and still suffering. If you want some hopeful stories there was a guy named Challenge on PP who had severe cognitive issues. Horrible memory inability to concentrate etc. He completely healed but it took around 4 years to start seeing real improvement by 5 years he was ok. His wa so bad that he told me he didn't recognize the house he grew up in or where his room was.

 

For myself I took Cerebrolysin a while back and it almost completely cleared the fog but it made me way too nauseas and I could not function so I only took it one day.

Paxil 10mg 2004-2011

7.5mg 4months

5mg. 4months

2.5mg.8 months no wd issues

Dropped pax 4-10-12

5-9-12 started prozac to alleviate symptoms (no relief)

5-22-12 reinstated paxil 2.5mg

5-28-12 5mg pax (couldn't tolerate sides)

6-22-12 Pax 2.5

6-30-12 Pax O

Cerebrolysin to help with wd at 29 months. Horrible decision much worse.

Still suffering sever Brain fog, Confusion, slow thinking,And just feeling sick and weird (hard to explain),facial twitching, weakness, shaking and jerking

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looking at your history I can tell you that you will improve by leaps and bounds from where you are now. I was so so so ill in the beginning I was completely disoriented and didn't even know where I was. It got much better by month 9. Much better.

Paxil 10mg 2004-2011

7.5mg 4months

5mg. 4months

2.5mg.8 months no wd issues

Dropped pax 4-10-12

5-9-12 started prozac to alleviate symptoms (no relief)

5-22-12 reinstated paxil 2.5mg

5-28-12 5mg pax (couldn't tolerate sides)

6-22-12 Pax 2.5

6-30-12 Pax O

Cerebrolysin to help with wd at 29 months. Horrible decision much worse.

Still suffering sever Brain fog, Confusion, slow thinking,And just feeling sick and weird (hard to explain),facial twitching, weakness, shaking and jerking

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