Rick213: Valdoxan

[Rick213]

And how long did it take u to go down to 4mg of valdoxan ?

[Rick213]

And how long did it take u to go down to 4mg of valdoxan ?

[Rick213]

It can take 5 months for withdraw to hit or get better?

[fuerza]

Withdrawal can rear it's ugly head many months later, especially if you tapered multiple drugs. Your CNS is sensitive and needs time to heal.
Valdoxan meddles with serotonin somehow, but not in the same way as SSRIs (Zoloft belongs to this class), it's another class of drugs.

You can see my drug history and exact tapering dates from my signature.

 

Do you drink alcohol, coffee or eat sugar, MSG-rich foods, gluten etc? Do you smoke? When are the adrenaline surges the worst? In the mornings, during the day or in the evenings? Or are they the same throughout the day?

Please get your liver tested. It may have nothing to do with you withdrawal, but Valdoxan is especially dangerous to the liver.

[Rick213]

Fuerza I completely got off March 1st 2018 I had some waves but not that bad berly noticed them berly about 4 weeks ago I got hit with a bad wave of extreme adrenaline lasted 6 days and had a window of 5 days 50 percent better then the wave so I'm getting hit with valdoxan withdraw 

No I dont do any of that 

 

Just hoping i didn't kindle for going off other meds before

[Rick213]

I metabolize drugs bad for sure I'm just mad that my psychiatrist didnt tell me I should take a gene rest 

[Rick213]

So i quit zoloft and anticonvolsunts 10 months ago c turkey and now this 4 months ago is that why I'm feeling withdraw so intense or it's normal?

[Rick213]

Fuerza how can I see your signature I am new to this group ?sorry. Ok I was just wondering if my symptoms will peak like my last withdraw or this time is gona be hell?

[fuerza]

I would say withdrawal is normal, even with delay. It may the multiple psych drugs or just Valdoxan. Unfortunately, there are only a few people on this forum who have taken Valdoxan. Maybe one of the mods can weigh on on receptor activity of Zoloft and Valdoxan because right now my attention span is just too short to read about it and fully understand the difference between SNRIs and Valdoxan. Both affect serotonin and noradrenaline, but Valdoxan is considered an atypical antidepressant.

I can't tell you when your symptoms peak unfortunately. In the past I've taken sleeping pills with no problems. Quit cold turkey and felt better afterwards. I was given them again when I stayed in a hospital and I felt very anxious afterwards. I had trouble with SSRIs/SNRIs from the start and coming off of them was bad. Benzos gave some relief, but put me in a very bad position long term.

No one can really predict what happens to a person who takes psych drugs and what happens if the person stops taking them. Some do fine, some experience mild discomfort and some go through very hard times. Are you sure you're experiencing adrenaline surges? I've had cortisol surges in the morning and I found that liposomal vitamin C helped me. Of course, as it is with supplements, you need to tread carefully.

 

You can see my signature right underneath my post.

[Rick213]

Fuerza yess I'm having extreme adrenaline I started having waves since I whent half on the dosage but not as bad as now that I'm completely off 

I hope this withdraw worst then the last one  maybe it's sensitive idk kindled?

I do where to look at ur signatures

[fuerza]

When you look at my post, there's the 'quote' button underneath and underneath that should be my signature, in a slightly greyish font. Do you see your own signature?

[Rick213]

No maybe I have to log on from the internet?

[fuerza]

Haven't tried on my phone, maybe you're right. Anyway I tapered from Sept '16 and I'm at 4,5mg right now.

[Rick213]

4 minutes ago, fuerza said:

Sep 16 2017?

 

[Rick213]

What did u feel when u made your cuts?

[Rick213]

2016 ?

[fuerza]

First cut (50%) was mixed with my Effexor withdrawal and it was probably a mixed response. The cuts I made last year weren't bad at all. I cut from 4,5mg to 4mg this January and had a surge in anxiety and panic. I guessed this was because of the low dose and also the fact that I'm also on a benzo. The easier and smaller cuts made me a bit restless, but in a positive way. I also craved cigarettes more and I stabilised quite fast.

[fuerza]

Nope, September 2016.

[Rick213]

Yeah I guess I'm going to suffer for a while my last withdraw was severe cold turkey by month 3 to 5 where the hardest it peaked then and I got 70 percent better so I guess now I'm gona suffer with this it's just extreme adrenaline I won't make it and it's too late to reinstate 

[Rick213]

Thanxs though they promised no withdraw but I metabolize drugs bad so yea

[Rick213]

My symptom is severe do u think this peaks or not really ?

[fuerza]

I really can't answer this because this is different for everyone. It may be a bad wave that passes in a few weeks. You're going to make it. Withdrawal is hard, but just keep thinking of it as your brain reaching homeostasis again. I've been through severe windows and good waves. We're all healing here.

[Rick213]

Fuerza my experience last time from cold turkey 

Was that my brain wanted to recover all at once and I peaked months 3 to 5

 

 

What I'm saying is is that hapens when u go cold turkey ur brain trrys to heal all at once 

 

It seems like my brain is not making the chemicals it needs to and making me feel like I'm in hell

[Rick213]

Withdraw is hard i just donr know if this extreme waves go away with time or am I burned out ?

[fuerza]

I know the feeling. Healing is not going to happen in days or weeks. When you talk about 'peaks', you may be talking about windows. There are plenty of people who get windows (or peaks) several months after they've taken the drug and then go into a wave again. In time, the waves become shorter as your brain heals and finally the window/wave pattern seems to disappear.

[Rick213]

Yeah I mean am I gona be in this intense extreme waves for months and months ? 

[fuerza]

Also, the acting ingredient in Depakote seems to be sodium valproate, but it is listed as magnesium valproate in your signature.

[fuerza]

Again, I can't give you an answer on that. This is the million dollar question on all recovery boards. When are we going to feel well again?

 

Have you looked through the boards and pinned posts?

[Rick213]

Yeah someone told me they where the same thing but I was on magnesium valporate [atemperator] is the name

[Rick213]

Well no one I know here has c turkey valdoxan when I c turkey last time my worse waves where months 3 to 5 and that' was it 

[Rick213]

What's the average taper 20 months ?

[fuerza]

Rick, did you go through the pinned topics? There are no averages. Some people go cold turkey, some taper a few months, some for a year and some for years. Please go through the pinned topics on the main boards.
AliG is one member who went C/T off Valdoxan. She used to be a moderator, but is currently taking a break from SA. You can go through her thread and read about her experiences. However, please keep in mind that none of us have absolute answers for you. Everyone's history is so different. Not only regarding the med history, but also the issues they were prescribed the meds for.

Take your time to read about wtihdrawal. The information is all here on the boards.

 

[Rick213]

Thank u yes  I know we metabolize drugs difrent 

[fuerza]

I didn't mean to be aggressive. How are you feeling? Did you find any useful information from the boards?

[Rick213]

I have some windows all I know is the half life of this med is short compare to zoloft so idk if that means my withdraw will be much longer and also 

 

Idk the mechanisms of this drug i think it down regulates  dopamine and noranldrine ?

[fuerza]

I think that's how Valdoxan works. However, I'm nt at all qualified at these subjects. Maybe someone else can weigh in? I'd also appreciate it because I'm very confused as to why it's an atypical instead of an SNRI.