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Altostrata
4 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

I understand that I am at a low dose and it is more annoying to reduce.

 

Yes, correct, your nervous system might be more sensitive to reductions now.

 

If I were you, I might increase by 2 beads. This doesn't seem like much, but it may be enough to stop the withdrawal symptoms.

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Alanmane
2 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

 

Sí, correcto, su sistema nervioso podría ser más sensible a las reducciones ahora.

 

Si yo fuera tú, podría aumentar en 2 cuentas. Esto no parece mucho, pero puede ser suficiente para detener los síntomas de abstinencia.

Okay, I do not underestimate the power of two pearls ... Do you think it's okay to take them now? It's night in Spain and I see her in the morning.

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ChessieCat

Do you usually take your dose at night time?  If you do, then you could take 2 beads/pearls now.

 

If you usually take your dose in the morning it would be better to wait until morning to increase the dose.

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Alanmane
20 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

¿Suele tomar su dosis por la noche? Si lo haces, entonces podrías tomar 2 cuentas / perlas ahora.

 

Si normalmente toma su dosis por la mañana, es mejor esperar hasta la mañana para aumentar la dosis.

I do this, thanks chessie

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Alanmane

Today I have slept better, it seems that the madness begins to diminish, I never imagined that reducing 25 pearls of this drug could cause so much pain, it has been a hell these days, I have been stripped of sanity and calm, invaded by demons. Pass to remove 40 pearls of 280 (240), to remove 70 (210) now I am in 217 due to the great abstinence, removing from a capsule of 37.5mg 67 pearls. It almost destroyed me, now I have to recover stability, it has been horrible.

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Altostrata

Yes, withdrawal is no joke.

 

Let your body accommodate to the 2 additional beads. Do not reduce again until your sleep recovers for at least 2 weeks.

 

Your body is telling you to go a little slower in your reductions -- don't take as many beads out.

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ChessieCat

Hi Alan,

 

Now that you have experienced what happens when you reduce your medication too quickly, I hope you will be more careful in the future.

 

Now he experiences problems because he reduced too much in the past. The problems have reached you. It is of all the reductions, not only of the last reduction, but of all the reductions and dose changes that are accumulated.

 

2018: Venlafaxina días alternos 75 mg. 

2018: Venlafaxina 150 mg y toma 64 mg.

 

You may need to keep your current dose for about 3 months. Your brain needs stability to get used to receiving less drugs.

 

 

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primekittycat

We've all learned to be more patient, especially as we get lower in dose. I still get temptations to just come off, but with the way I feel by only removing 1 bead at this point, it would not be worth it. Yes.. the removal of only 1 bead per dose causes symptoms (I take about 17-18 beads per dose now). It's crazy that it can cause that much hell in our bodies.

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Alanmane
4 hours ago, Altostrata said:

Sí, la retirada no es una broma.

 

Deja que tu cuerpo se acomode a las 2 perlas adicionales. No vuelva a reducir hasta que su sueño se recupere durante al menos 2 semanas.

 

Tu cuerpo te está diciendo que vayas un poco más lento en tus reducciones, no saques tantas cuentas.

This is experience is a lesson for the future. Recently I was anxious to go faster, now I do not and I have understood the methodology. I do not mind taking years if I do not have to suffer what I have suffered these days, it is a pain that can not be described with words, it is in itself an approach to infernal madness.

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Alanmane
3 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Hola alan

 

Ahora que ha experimentado lo que sucede cuando reduce su medicamento demasiado rápido, espero que tenga más cuidado en el futuro.

 

Ahora experimenta problemas porque redujo demasiado en el pasado. Los problemas te han llegado. Es de todas las reducciones, no solo de la última reducción, sino de todas las reducciones y cambios de dosis que se acumulan.

 

2018: Venlafaxina días alternos 75 mg. 

2018: Venlafaxina 150 mg y toma 64 mg.

 

Es posible que deba mantener su dosis actual durante aproximadamente 3 meses. Tu cerebro necesita estabilidad para acostumbrarse a recibir menos drogas.

 

 

Thanks chessie, now I understand everything. I will wait a few months before thinking about a reduction, these days of withdrawal have made me lose kg, now I must rebalance my body.

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Alanmane
2 hours ago, primekittycat said:

Todos hemos aprendido a ser más pacientes, especialmente a medida que obtenemos una dosis más baja. Todavía me salen las tentaciones, pero como me siento al quitar solo 1 cuenta en este punto, no valdría la pena. Sí. La eliminación de solo 1 perla por dosis causa síntomas (ahora tomo alrededor de 17-18 perlas por dosis). Es una locura que pueda causar tanto infierno en nuestros cuerpos.

Are you doing well and will it get better, at this low dose you are, a single pearl causes severe symptoms of withdrawal? It seems absurd, is this the most addictive drug in the world? I can not imagine something more difficult to remove than effexor. I feel in a ridiculous situation when seeing me in a drug that is much more difficult to withdraw than cocaine or heroin, it is a crime. We must not leave space for hate, all we need is love

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Altostrata

Yes, we know, Alan. That is why this site exists, because there is a gap in knowledge among doctors.

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Alanmane

I am feeling better, the anxiety has gone steady and I notice more relaxation, I still have insomnia (it takes 2.3 hours to sleep), I do not feel very hungry (I have lost weight in these two weeks), I am still assimilating that a 10% decrease It will affect me so much, it costs me to assimilate but 58mg is a certain low dose? On the other hand I feel more myself and I will wait a few months before cutting 5%. I will not suffer retreats like the latter, I will do my best to avoid it. When I felt very bad these days I thought about starting a psychotherapy, now that I feel better I have realized that it was an impulsive decision because of pain and anxiety. I do not want to try my luck with a psychologist and I know that without WD I control my life, my motivations, thoughts ... I would not find a psychologist specialized in leaving antidepressants and I do not want to go through the frustration of knowing a useless person for me and over paying him my money. Only time helps me. My life is to work, to draw, to be with my friends and family and more things, I accept it and I value it.

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Alanmane

Occasionally I drink alcohol and I do not feel anything worse, I feel good and I only do it at times with friends. En.m my case despite being in reduction I feel that I do well sometimes drink to party. I do not plan to drink too much or daily.

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Alanmane

I've been anxious and stable for a few days, although I'm still sleeping late and getting up at noon, I feel less hungry, maybe two or three times a day and not a lot. I have the doubt if the option of when it reaches 37.5mg effexor xr, continue with the xr or move to immediate release, it is easier to count pearls for me but I do not understand well what is the best. I am thinking about the future since there are still months to go but I want to be clear about what I will do. Making a tapper of 2.5% may not pay for asking the pharmacy to make me the capsules. What I do not intend to do is the bridge to prozac, I do not like the idea. I will reread effexor's success stories to know what those people did. I just want to have a long-term plan in mind.

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Alanmane

I am not taking the same dose every day. Before I counted the number of pearls in several 37.5mg capsules, I thought there were 140-143 in each but there are up to 154 in one that I measured. What I do? Buy a scale and weigh the mg would be the best I think. Or to count only the pearls that I am going to take, not to take the ones that I will not take. What would you do?

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Altostrata

Some people do weigh the beads for more consistent dosing.

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Alanmane

Comienzo aquí un nuevo tema sobre mi afilado de venlafaxine xr. Durante todo el destete, mi reducción de mg se ha aproximado ya que el número de perlas varía en cada cápsula. Hoy probé algunas básculas en las tiendas y no son precisas, así que prefiero seguir tomando una dosis aproximada que arriesgarme a pesar mucho, si alguien sabe una buena balanza en Amazon que compre correctamente. Ahora mismo tomo una cápsula de 37.5mg y de otro quito 63 perlas. Es increíble que sea tan complicado afilar correctamente debido a la inexactitud del peso y la cantidad de perlas. De los 63 que saco de una cápsula, imagino que variará de 1 a 2 mg, de modo que un día tomaré 58 mg, otro 60 mg, otro 57 mg ... Agradecería que alguien que haya probado una buena escala en Amazon lo haga. deja el enlace. Gracias

 

TRANSLATION thanks to Google:

 

I start here a new topic about my sharpening of venlafaxine xr. During the whole weaning, my mg reduction has been approximated since the number of pearls varies in each capsule. Today I tried some scales in stores and they are not precise, so I prefer to continue taking a rough dose than to risk to weigh a lot, if someone knows a good balance in Amazon that I buy correctly. Right now I take a 37.5mg capsule and another remove 63 pearls. It is incredible that it is so complicated to sharpen correctly due to the inaccuracy of the weight and the amount of pearls. Of the 63 that I take out of a capsule, I imagine that it will vary from 1 to 2 mg, so that one day I will take 58 mg, another 60 mg, another 57 mg ... I would appreciate it if someone who has tried a good scale on Amazon does . leave the link Thank you

 

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ChessieCat

Many members use a Gemini 20 scale.

 

On 7/26/2015 at 5:14 PM, brassmonkey said:

 

The ones many of us use are the Gemini-20.  They are available on Amazon or Ebay for about $35.  The next step up runs in the $150 range and the reviews don't indicate that they are any better.  I've been using mine now for almost 4 years without any problems.  If you order them be sure to also order a bag of "0" gel caps, they will make it a lot easier to make up your doses.

 

 

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Search results for "gemini" in the above topic.

 

Link to Amazon for Gemini 20 scale

 

Link to gel capsules search on Amazon

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Alanmane

It is really bad that you continue to get 63 pearls although each capsule varies from 140 to 155? What other option do I have besides getting an accurate scale? I do not feel an effect when doing this method even if it varies 1 or 2mg

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ChessieCat
8 minutes ago, Alanmane said:

I do not feel an effect when doing this method even if it varies 1 or 2mg

 

This is probably because you are taking a higher dose of the medication.  As the dose decreases, the variance will be greater in relation to the dose and will have more effect.

 

The brain likes consistency and it is better to make the dose as precise and consistent as possible. It will never be perfect. Even obtaining capsules made by a compound pharmacist there will be variation.

 

We just have to do the best we can.

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Alanmane

I understand, there are many options and ways to do it and I have been thinking for days ... At the moment I am stable, taking out the 63 pearls and I have a capsule of 140 or 150 pearls. I'll see a few months from now. Thank you

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Alanmane

My next move will be to ask my psychiatrist to make me recipes of less mg of effexor xr to be able to reduce without counting pearls or thinking about them, I trust that he will make me those recipes if I should not change psychiatrist or ask my general health doctor what make. Anyway, I'll wait a few months before going below. I imagine that my psychiatrist will be surprised since I have never asked anyone what I want, I just hope he understands that he gives me the recipe with masterful formulation or I will do it on my own and it will be worse since it would be less exact. Now I just want to stop thinking about this, I'm working to not think too much and notice that I'm at 58mg-60mg of 150mg that was 8 months ago, this is my achievement and I'm proud.

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SkyBlue
2 hours ago, Alanmane said:

I imagine that my psychiatrist will be surprised since I have never asked anyone what I want,

 

Hola, Alan,

 

I'm so glad you are asking for what you want. That is your right! That is what a lot of us must learn when trying to come off safely.

 

Are you going to use the Gemini scale?

 

It does sounds like you are going to hold (wait) for now, which is very healing for your nervous system. Very good idea. 

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Alanmane
2 hours ago, SkyBlue said:

 

Hola Alan

 

Estoy tan contenta de que estés pidiendo lo que quieres. Ese es tu derecho! Eso es lo que muchos de nosotros debemos aprender cuando intentamos salir con seguridad.

 

¿Vas a utilizar la escala Gemini?

 

Parece que va a mantener (esperar) por ahora, lo cual es muy curativo para su sistema nervioso. Muy buena idea. 

Hello bluesky! My idea is to keep my dose 2-3 months before going below. I want to ask my psychiatrist to make effexor xr recipes at personalized doses (in master formula), so as not to have to count pearls or weigh the doses myself, I think it would be the best. In January I see my psychiatrist and I will ask him, I imagine that he will be able to make the prescription, in case he did not do it he would ask my GP or he would change psychiatrist. I am aware that I will need many different doses until I reach 0 ... I would like to do the whole process with effexor XR, I do not like the idea of the prozac bridge or move to liquid effexor. What do you think about my idea? Thanks for answering

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Alanmane

Hi friends, I feel stabilized after the last cut. Still my mood is not happy, nor very sad, I can fulfill all my obligations but I am still worried about this process, there is no day that I do not enter to read experiences about retirement, read about leaving effexor ... This is a Habit that I have for months and that has helped me to know a lot but I would like to stop thinking so much about all this. I can not have absolute control and I accept it, even so I want to touch perfection on my way to 0mg. I understand that reading every day about this is just an attempt to control my life. I find it hard to believe that I am achieving this and it is hard for me to imagine that I will go out and be better than effexor, I really can not imagine it but it will come. I imagine that feeling mentally and physically weaker is common to reduce the dose, it is difficult to concentrate, to have ideas ... I would be calm if I knew that in most people it is like that, I do not know if my mind is less acute because of pressure and stress In short, everything is better than two weeks ago.

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ChessieCat
1 hour ago, Alanmane said:

everything is better than two weeks ago.

 

That is good news.  You have learned a lot about reduction and you are learning to be patient. That will help you.

 

1 hour ago, Alanmane said:

I imagine that feeling mentally and physically weaker is common to reduce the dose, it is difficult to concentrate, to have ideas ... I would be calm if I knew that in most people it is like that

 

This is a very common symptom when the medication is reduced.   brain-fog-blank-mind-comprehension-cognitive-and-memory-problems

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Alanmane

Thanks Chessie, I feel that everything is going well and I accept my life fully, I am going to read the thread that you have put. I consider that now I can think much more than in higher doses of see, only when I drop a few mg the flow of thoughts is triggered by anxiety, then it calms down and I spend many moments without thinking, just being in the moment.

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Alanmane

I promise not to enter the forum for a while, a few weeks or a few months. The reason is because I see myself every day reading stories similar to mine both good and bad, it's like an open door to a pain similar to mine but I see it is being counterproductive to read so many cases every day, I feel obsessed with my WD process and this must end, over the course of months I have researched and read a lot about this and I have extensive knowledge on how to proceed. I do not doubt that I will explain and ask for assurances, this place is wonderful. I am proud to be at 58mg from 150mg, there are difficulties and it is not easy but I trust that a good attitude and knowledge is the key. Disconnected for a while, I hope it is not difficult.

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ChessieCat

Thanks for letting us know.  Please be sure to come back if you need help.  And please come back to let us know how you are.

 

Yes, 58mg instead of 150mg is good.  Bravo!!!

 

Please remember to go slowly.  It is not a race that we are trying to win.  We are trying to reduce the medication as carefully as possible.

 

I hope you do well.

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Alanmane

Hello! I feel in debt to all of you and I have had to come back to wish you a good new year. Among the enormous loneliness of this road that I am on, this forum is the best help I could have. I continue to maintain my dose, the lack of appetite has improved, insomia too ... Now I feel what we call brain fog that I interpret as difficulty to concentrate, memorize, think clearly ... It bothers me even though I know that It is retirement and it will improve, I can continue going to my work and live. I also spend day after day thinking, reading, informing myself about the retirement of AD, it is something endless since you can never know what will happen in the future. Will I be able to live without effexor? Will I spend years of retirement prolonging? Will I recover my mental speed, my emotions, my identity? Too many questions impossible to solve. Only this question matters: I will fight for my life no matter what happens? YES Greetings.

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Altostrata

Thank you, Alanmane. Good to hear you're a bit better.

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ChessieCat
2 hours ago, Alanmane said:

Too many questions impossible to solve.

 

It is good that you understand that some questions cannot be answered.

 

2 hours ago, Alanmane said:

Only this question matters: I will fight for my life no matter what happens? YES

 

That is good.  Stay patient.

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primekittycat

Yes Alanmane!! Stay patient and take it slow. The fact that you are aware of your symptoms, committed to holding your dose when you don't feel right, and are even on this forum means you are taking the right steps forward. 

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Alanmane
3 hours ago, primekittycat said:

Si Alanmane !! Mantente paciente y tómalo con calma. El hecho de estar consciente de sus síntomas, comprometido a mantener su dosis cuando no se siente bien, e incluso en este foro significa que está dando los pasos correctos hacia adelante. 

Thanks PKC, I do the best I can although I tend to think that something is wrong, deep down I know I'm on the right track even if it's difficult. A hug

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Alanmane

my new blog on blogger, about my experience. Is in spanish but can translate with a gadget on my page .

 

https://discontvenlafax.blogspot.com/

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