Indio Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Hello. Two years ago, for anxiety reasons that a family medication received me anxiolytic (Alprazolam - Xanax) and had as likely an effect as many times, I did so when I replaced it with diazepam. The withdrawal was difficult but I succeeded, however, provoked me the ideas that they are secondary, especially insomnia and a doctor prescribed me trazodone to help sleep. I started to make 100mg in April 2018 and make it in from 2018 until today. I am currently taking 14 mg at the same time, but with the same slowness it has been horrible, with many symptoms. In Portugal doctors are not aware of drug problems and more or more fighting ability. What is a year in trazodone is very serious, could I attract all that is missing ?? Or will it be very bad ?? Can the symptoms be changed by xanax or the two together? Thank you. Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted May 6, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted May 6, 2019 Hello, Indio, and welcome to SA. If I understand correctly, you started taking 100mg Trazodone in April, 2018, and are now taking 14mg. Is that right? Do you want to taper off the Trazodone? To give members the best information, we ask them to summarize their medication history in a signature -- drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements, in the last 12-24 months particularly. Please include the rate at which you tapered the Trazodone. Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature. Withdrawal symptoms are common with a too-fast taper. We recommend tapering no fast than 10% of current dose every 4 weeks. Some have to taper more slowly. Reducing from 100mg to 14mg in one year is faster than we recommend. Why taper by 10% of my dosage? This link is specifically about tapering Trazodone. Tips for tapering off trazodone (Desyrel) Here is some information on the withdrawal symptoms you're experiencing. What is withdrawal syndrome. Glenmullen’s withdrawal symptom list. Once you've answered my questions and completed your drug signature, we'll be in a better position to help you. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of April 1: 6.8mg Taper is 91% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Indio Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 Hi Gridley. Thanks for the comment. Yes, that's right. I started the bottleneck in November 2018 until today. I have many symptoms, bad disposition, general weakness, anxiety, gastrointestinal problems, bad sleep, tiredness...etc I have slowly reduced I think, maybe it is not the slowly necessary…. Gaba and ginseng are safe to take??? Thank you. Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Indio Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 Why are the symptoms so bad in the morning and relieve after lunch, as a rule?? Does anyone know? Is there any way to minimize the symptoms? Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Indio Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 Hi@Gridley Can you tell me something about this: It was now four months since I stopped Trazodone at 12.5mg, but I have had many problems, mainly physical (muscle, gastrointestinal, tiredness) some anxiety, insomnia and nervousness, some days better others worse, but I have always worked, despite everything. Do you think I should go back to reduce symptoms and feel better? Or after 4 months the reintegration would not do anything ?? Or do you think I should keep going? If I went back what would be the dose, taking into account that I jumped in 12.5mg ?? Thanks. Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 29, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, Indio said: Do you think I should go back to reduce symptoms Indio, I'm going to bring your question to the attention of the other moderators. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of April 1: 6.8mg Taper is 91% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 29, 2019 Administrator Share Posted October 29, 2019 Welcome, Indio. Since you had withdrawal symptoms while you were tapering trazodone, why did you stop taking it at 12.5mg? Have your symptoms gotten worse since you stopped it? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 29, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Indio said: Do you think I should go back to reduce symptoms Reinstatement works most predictably within three months. Reinstatement after four months might help or it might not. Please read: About reinstating and stabilizing to reduce withdrawal symptoms. -- at least the first page of the topic If you decide to reinstate, I recommend 5mg Trazodone. Do not go back up to 12.5mg, as this could overwhelm your system. This link contains is information about how to obtain small doses of Trazodone. If liquid trazodone is available in Portugal, that would be the easiest way to do it. Tips for tapering off trazodone (Desyrel) It takes about 4 days for a dose change to get to get to full state in the blood and a bit longer for it to register in the brain. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of April 1: 6.8mg Taper is 91% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Indio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 15 hours ago, Altostrata said: Bem-vindo, Indio. Como você teve sintomas de abstinência enquanto reduzia a trazodona, por que você parou de tomá-la com 12,5 mg? Seus sintomas pioraram desde que você o interrompeu? Hi high. I stopped at 12.5mg because I had many symptoms or side effects when taking Trazodone. I improved a lot when I stopped taking and today my symptoms are not so unpleasant. I currently have reasonable days but still have some bad days mostly in the morning. By the time I reach 4 months it seems that things got a little worse, I don't know if it's just a bad wave. Symptoms are tolerable most days and at worst (mornings) are sometimes very difficult, with tiredness, poor mood, blurred vision, anxiety, muscle problems, gastrointestinal problems, and poor sleep. I have a record of the days I send to look and give an opinion. The green days with weak symptoms or no symptoms. Brown some symptoms but tolerable ... The red hard days with strong symptoms, but still can handle ... Thanks Calendario-Maio-2019.docx Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Indio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Gridley said: A restauração funciona de maneira mais previsível em três meses. A reintegração após quatro meses pode ajudar ou não. Por favor leia: Sobre restabelecer e estabilizar para reduzir os sintomas de abstinência . - pelo menos a primeira página do tópico Se você decidir restabelecer, recomendo 5mg de Trazodona. Não volte a 12,5 mg, pois isso pode sobrecarregar o seu sistema. Este link contém informações sobre como obter pequenas doses de Trazodona. Se trazodona líquida estiver disponível em Portugal, essa seria a maneira mais fácil de fazê-lo. Dicas para reduzir a trazodona (Desyrel) Demora cerca de 4 dias para que uma mudança de dose chegue ao estado completo no sangue e um pouco mais para ele se registrar no cérebro. Hi Gridley I think I'll try to keep holding on, hoping that over time things will get better. I have a record of the days I send to look and give an opinion. The green days with weak symptoms or no symptoms. Brown some symptoms but tolerable ... The red hard days with strong symptoms, but still can handle ... Thanks Calendario-Maio-2019.docx Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted October 30, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Indio said: I think I'll try to keep holding on, hoping that over time things will get better. That is fine. Please keep us informed on how you're doing. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of April 1: 6.8mg Taper is 91% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Indio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 Há duas horas, Gridley disse: Está bem. Mantenha-nos informações sobre o seu desempenho. Ok ... What about the file can you give your opinion? Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 30, 2019 Administrator Share Posted October 30, 2019 Please attach the file as a pdf or Google doc so we don't have to download it. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Indio Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 14 hours ago, Altostrata said: Anexe o arquivo como um pdf ou documento do Google para que não seja necessário fazer o download. Ok. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kJwM-t1cfqAP7RGf6GzfVydUETSN-Ene/view?usp=sharing Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Indio Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 WORD: https://drive.google.com/file/d/12FzBP25dtu57Dym0fYnJRu4wjJHUH3B2/view?usp=sharing Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted October 31, 2019 Administrator Share Posted October 31, 2019 Those are good calendars. I see only occasional red days, and a lot of green days. Overall, are you feeling better or worse since the end of September? What is your worst symptom now? See The Windows and Waves Pattern of Stabilization Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms Easing your way into meditation for a stressed-out nervous system Music for self-care: calms hyperalertness, anxiety, aids relaxation and sleep This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Indio Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 6:48 PM, Altostrata said: Esses são bons calendários. Vejo apenas dias vermelhos ocasionais e muitos dias verdes. No geral, você está se sentindo melhor ou pior desde o final de setembro? Qual é o seu pior sintoma agora? Veja o padrão de estabilização das janelas e ondas Técnicas não medicamentosas para lidar com sintomas emocionais Facilitando o caminho de meditação para um sistema nervoso estressado Música para autocuidado: acalma a hiperalerta, a ansiedade, ajuda no relaxamento e no sono In these last two weeks I have been feeling worse ... I don't know if it's influence of the change of season or something else .... Currently my worst symptoms are anxiety, insomnia, malaise, gastrointestinal problems, tiredness and lack of endurance / energy in the muscles and in the worst days I feel strange, I can't explain well. The symptoms of anxiety and feeling sick are always more pronounced in the morning, I think they will also be a consequence of bad sleep. Today I feel enormous pressure in my eyes. Is it possible to walk with symptoms of alprazolam and trazodone withdrawal ???? Is it possible to have depression, although I don't feel depressed? This month was a year since I left alprazolam. Opinions please. Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
Indio Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 Nobody says anything ?? Alprazolam 0,5 pela manhã e 0,25 ao deitar de maio de 2016 a outubro de 2018 (incluindo redução). Trazodona 100mg para ajudar a dormir de maio de 2018 a hoje 0mg. Comecei a reduzir trazodona em novembro de 2018. Quatro meses sem trazodona. Desculpe o meu Inglês é ruim. Link to comment
marie123 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Hi Indio. You stopped taking Alprazolam (Xanex) a year ago, correct? You are probably still in Xanex withdrawal along with trazodone withdrawal. Did you taper or just stop the Alpazolam? Marie 10/13--10/14 Ambien. Started tapering 1/14 Jumped 10/14. Done. 3/14 7.5 Remeron still taking this. 2/14 75 Trazodone - Tapered by dry cutting all the way down. 1/16 4 mg Trazodone - Jumped. Bad mistake. Got hit with late withdrawal 6 weeks later. Reinstated. 4/16 Reinstated 1 mg, updose to 2 mg Trazodone 2/19 .04 Trazodone. Walked off. Done. 10/3/19 Started 7.5 Mirtazapine taper cut to .073 gram weight, pill weighs .076 4/5/20 New Mirtazapine Taper - Compound Liquid 7.35 mg April '20, 7.25 mg May, 7.05 mg June, 6.99 mg June, 6.78 mg July, 6.57 mg Aug, Sept 6.35 mg, Sept 6.24 mg, Sept 6.21 mg, Oct 5.99 mg, Oct 5.90 mg, Oct 5.70 mg. 1/11/21 6.05 mg Messed up taper due to syringe change. Must remember the 1 ml syringe contains 1.5mg! 1/16/21 5.99 mg 2/21 5.75 mg, 3/21 5.6 mg, 4/7 5.45, 4/14 5.30, 5/12 5.15, 5/25/21 4.99 mg, 6/29 4.87 mg, 7/14/21 4.74 mg, 8/5 4.62 mg 8/17 4.5 mg, 8/30 4.38 mg,9/16 4.26 mg,10/9 4.14 mg, 10/23 4.05 mg, 11/6 3.96 mg,11/17 3.87mg.***Jan 22 Liquid was changed/couldn't tolerate***Changed back to pills. Feb 22/3.9 mg, 2/17/22 3.8 mg, 3/23 3.7 mg, 4/7 3.6 mg, 5/10 3.5mg,6/10/22 3.4 mg, 7/4 3.3 mg, 7/25 3.2 mg, 8/20/22 3.1 mg, 9/15 3 mg, 10/8/22 2.9 mg., 12/15 2.8 mg, 1/6/23 2.7 mg, 2/16/23 2.6 mg, 3/9 2.5 mg, 4/4 2.4 mg, 4/29/23 2.3 mg, 5/26 2.2 mg, 6/22/23 2.1 mg, 10/14 2 mg, 11/12 1.9 mg, 11/28 1.8 mg , 12/14/23 1.7, 12/31/23 1.6 mg, 1/20 1.5 mg, 2/6/24 1.4 mg, 2/12 updose 1.5 mg, 3/27/24 1.4 mg. Taking multi-vitamin, vit. D, cholestoff, psyllium husk, and fish oil. Link to comment
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