Farid: paroxetine of hell

[Farid]

Today:

Woke up at 3h and impossible to sleep until 04h

Woke up 6h for work: big sad mood(6) anxiety (3)

Eat a little not hungry at all today. Take paroxetine 10mg cytrate magnesium and oil fish

7am start to work : and I say to me ok stop with the withdrawal of caféine I take one now.

8am sad mood(3) anxiety 3

11am sadmood (4) anxiety (5)

 

 

It's impossible to life like that for me.

Some times I am so depressed and it's impossible to have a good day . And this anxiety destroy all my life.

 

 

I wait wait wait with 10mg and what? 

This ******* sad mood level up since I stop caféine  but today after drink this coffee I sens a big anxiety .

 

I'm lost

 

[Erell]

5 hours ago, Farid said:

 

I wait wait wait with 10mg and what? 

Bonjour Farid, 

mes symptômes principaux sont les mêmes que les tiens, je sais à quel point les journées peuvent être longues et la situation sembler sans espoir avec cette anxiété constante et harassante.

Les premiers mois de stabilisation peuvent être assez durs à vivre, et l'on a vraiment pas le sentiment que notre système nerveux travaille à la guérison.

Et pourtant il le fait. Tout ce que nous pouvons faire pendant ce temps c'est prendre soin de nous au maximum, et lui laisser le temps dont ila besoin.

Je suis bientôt à 4 mois à 10mg, et même si la situation n'est pas revenue à la normale, ma vie est plus facile qu'il y a deux mois !

 

Courage Farid, la guérison existe et elle arrivera ❤️

 

 

(Hi Farid,

my main symptoms are the same as yours, I know how days can be long and hopeless with this constant anxiety.

First months of stabilisation can be pretty rough, and we don't really have the feeling that our CNS is actually working.

But he does. All we can do during this time is taking care of ourselves and granted the time he need to heal.

I'm at almost 4months of stabilisation, and even if my situation is not back to normal, my life is way more easier than 2 months ago!)

[Erell]

On 1/13/2020 at 8:55 AM, Farid said:

Hello , 

I have a rdv with the doc tomorrow for ask a new ordonnance .

 

When I can reduce paroxetine ? I started 10mg the 27 December 19 so I can reduce the 27 January? It's correct?

 

And how many ?10%?

so I ask 9mg for 30 days and a second with 8,1mg ?

 

Farid, tu as fait plusieurs changements de dose dans les derniers mois : je pense qu'il est trop tôt pour envisager de baisser à nouveau, j'aurais plutôt tendance à te conseiller de garder ta dose de 10mg stable pendant plusieurs mois, pour laisser le temps à ton système nerveux de se réguler. 

Le risque sinon est de continuer à faire des changements alors que ton cerveau ne s'est aps encore stabilisé et donc de le déstabiliser encore plus.

C'est ce qui semble fonctionner le mieux dans les témoignages.

 

Courage ❤️

 

(Farid, you've made several dose changes in the past few months : I think it is too early to tapper again, I would rather advise you to keep your dose steady at 10mg and hold for several months, so your CNS can stabilise.

The risk is too destabilise your CNS further if you make new changes while your CNS is not yet stabilised.

That's what seems to work the best in the testimonies.)

[Farid]

Oh autant de temps ? Ma fois je vais tempérer un peu avant de redescendre alors.

 

J' ai des petites questions

 

Vous ne parlez pas de l entrée en tolérance du médicament ? Prendre le même dosage des mois n est pas ideal

 

J ai remarqué que la pharmacie a donné de chlorhydrate de magnésium a 450mg et pas l autre version , est ce quand même bon et pas trop doser ?

 

Pour la diminution le médecin a accepté la diminution du dosage et j' ai une prescription pour du 9,5mg pendant 30 jour ( soit 5%)

 

Est ce bon ou c est mieux de passer par le système recommandé par un autre ici avec des diminutions de 2,5% par semaine?

 

Merci a toi

 

Oh all that?  I will wait a bit before going back down then. I have questions.

 

1 You are not talking about the entry into tolerance of the drug?

Taking the same dosage for months is not ideal

 

2 I noticed that the pharmacy gave chlorhydrate magnesium at 450 mg and not oxylate of magnesium , is it still good and not overdosing?

 

3 For the decrease the doctor accepted the decrease in dosage and I have a prescription for 9.5mg for 30 days (i.e. 5%) Is it good or is it better to go through the system recommended by another one here with reductions of 2.5% per week? thanks to you

[Farid]

Hello I have already paroxetine 10mg and I quit totally caffeine since one month.

 

After reading many informations about that many people have a bad wave of anxiety and depressed.

 

Just like me.

 

What can I do ? Continues do not use caffeine and wait the withdrawal?

 

 

[Gridley]

10 minutes ago, Farid said:

Hello I have already paroxetine 10mg and I quit totally caffeine since one month.

 

After reading many informations about that many people have a bad wave of anxiety and depressed.

 

Just like me.

 

What can I do ? Continues do not use caffeine and wait the withdrawal?

 

 

 

On 1/14/2020 at 1:11 PM, Erell said:

On 1/13/2020 at 2:55 AM, Farid said:

 

When I can reduce paroxetine ? I started 10mg the 27 December 19 so I can reduce the 27 January? It's correct?

 

And how many ?10%?

so I ask 9mg for 30 days and a second with 8,1mg ?

 

 

You started Paroxetine Dec. 27, 2019 at 10mg.  Are you still on 10mg?  How are you feeling?  You shouldn't taper until you have stabilized from the reinstatement back up to 10mg.

 

Yes, stay away from the caffeine.  

[Farid]

Hello since 27 December 2019 I take 10mg of paroxetine yes.

 

And I stop caffeine the 2 january 2020. My anxiety level up and I have a depressed mood.

 

So I had 2 problèmes 

 

One stabilisation on paroxetine and withdrawal of caffeine ( I take caffeine since 30 years...)

 

It was very very difficult and for the first time my colleague say to me ( what's happened with you ? )

 

So I continue do not use caffeine and I'm afraid to start to decrease paroxetine.

 

I'm lost 

 

[Gridley]

8 minutes ago, Farid said:

So I continue do not use caffeine and I'm afraid to start to decrease paroxetine.

It might be better for you to taper off the caffeine since you've been drinking it for so long.  Just drink a little less each day.

 

After an updose it can take several weeks or even months to stabilize.  Stay where you are at 10mg Paroxetine.

[Farid]

If it's possible a prefer do not use caffeine and wait the stabilisation . Many people said it's ok after 3 month.

 

For paroxetine I wait  with 10 mg but sometimes I think '' you never stop with this ****..."

[Gridley]

3 minutes ago, Farid said:

f it's possible a prefer do not use caffeine and wait the stabilisation . Many people said it's ok after 3 month.

That's fine to stay off the caffeine.

 

4 minutes ago, Farid said:

 

For paroxetine I wait  with 10 mg but sometimes I think '' you never stop with this ****..."

 

Yes, it will stop.  You will stabilize on 10mg and when you are ready you will begin a slow taper to zero.  You will be able to do it.

[Farid]

Thx you 

[Farid]

Hello , a question for paroxetine what is the best moment for take the médication ?

Actuatly i take on morning but i m feel nervous . Today .

 

I wait your advice wait the night or not

 

Thx

[Farid]

so since january i ended a caffeine withdrawal. which increased my anxiety like never before. I had been drinking coffee for 30 years. it seems that it takes months or more than a year to get rid of the paws. if I would have known before ...

Second BIG problem taking cyprofloxacin an antibiotic that made my anxiety the highest in my life (even before deciding to take paroxetine)

so my life has been very bad since January, I who just wanted to withdraw the paroxetine, I found myself at the lowest possible.

However, it made me realize that my quality of life was bad.

since then I eat better, sport.

Around the month of June I felt a certain improvement in my condition. I decided to start the withdrawal of paroxetine 5/100 or 9.5 mg for a month
then 9mg the month after then I went to 10/100 so 8.1mg and for a few days 7.3 mg.

a few days before the reduction to 7.3 mg i was a little more anxious and the decrease increased my anxiety for day 5, and the depression returned.
it is a little better today than yesterday but the anxiety is very high.

Today I am confident that I will be able to get out of it, but this paroxetine coupled with this period of withdrawal from caffeine and my reaction to cyprofloxacin is difficult.
 my psychiatrist did a test for depression and anxiety, a kind of emg. no depression but major anxiety on September 21st.

What are your opinions ? I was confident that I could decrease at the end of September (anxiety at 5/6 depression at 1/2)

what an adventure ...

[Hanna72]

Hi @Farid

So do I understand you correctly that you are at 7.3 mg Paxil now?

I would recommend that you take your time to stabilise before doing another reduction. Feeling good physically and mentally is a good aim before next cut. Paxil is a hard drug to taper, and it is very important to take it slow. 

26 minutes ago, Farid said:

However, it made me realize that my quality of life was bad.

since then I eat better, sport.

Around the month of June I felt a certain improvement in my condition

Yes this journey can teach us so many things about ourselves and it’s great to see that you are seeing improvements and they will become greater along the way,

 

29 minutes ago, Farid said:

Today I am confident that I will be able to get out of it,

This is a very good mindset, yes you will get out of it. Slow and steady will win the race.

All the best to you 

[Farid]

Hello yes im at 7,3 mg since 7 October so one week.

 

I ask to pharmacy for prepare the dosage i don't know if it's good

[Farid]

I am at 7.3 mg and the discouragement and the state of absolute sadness and suicidal thoughts have returned.

I had started again a decrease since June 2020 to 5/100 then I gradually climbed to 10/100 but already the pass to 8.1 has been more delicate. I usually have more problem 2 to 3 weeks. but this b**** added an increase in anxiety and depression.

the problem is that i have been affected by two problems since january 2020.

a complete withdrawal of caffeine which increased my anxiety and taking antibiotics in March including fluoroquinolone cipro which is unfortunately known to interact very very negatively with anti depressants and increases anxiety. I remember 24 hours after taking the medication that my anxiety was soaring and I wanted to die.

it was a horrible year. but I was on the point of reducing paxil at the end of June despite the overwhelming anxiety.

I had better times around July August September.

I don't know what to do today. resume the old dosage from September? wait until the current dosage is better accepted and wait two months before reducing less strongly. or simply do nothing more.

I have the dosage done by the pharmacy because it is impossible for me to find the liquid here in Belgium and to reduce the dosage myself I would not know.
thank you and sorry for my english.

[Altostrata]

Farid, it seems you have a lot of chemical upset going on. It probably would be best for you to be patient and let it all settle down, do not reduce paroxetine until you feel much better.

 

It's possible you're feeling some withdrawal from paroxetine. It's a very difficult drug to reduce. You might even increase paroxetine a little, to 7.5mg, and see if that helps. Please let us know how you're doing.

[ChessieCat]

When you start tapering again you might consider a little bit slower tapering method.  Please have a look at this topic:

 

the-brassmonkey-slide-method-of-micro-tapering

 

[Farid]

Thx you it's more easy for me to continue Ith 7,3 mg because I don't prepare the dosage myself ( I ask to my doctor the prescription with exact dosage and the pharmacy prepare for two month 60 caps).

 

But I have maybe 20 caps of 8,1mg too.

 

So i wait with 7,3mg and pray for to be better gradually, and don't reduce before one month minimum.

For the method brassmonkey it's interesting , but I don't know if my doctor and pharmacist accept to change dosage every week :s

 

but I can just reduce the next tapper at 5%

[Farid]

Hello I have a question please.

 

I stop caffeine in January 2020 

And in march take 4 Antibiotics(yes 4) quinolone (the worst of them) and all that increases my anxiety and deppresing x4

 

Actually since January I have a lot of anxiety , someday deppresing ,insomnia and bad sleep maybe be 3 hours by night ? And tinnitus. And since January I become hypersensitivity of all

 

And decide to re start paxil tapping on July 2020, and since it's a little better . But after the last tampering it was very difficult 2 weeks ( depress/anxi)

 

Please tell me the intoxication with antibiotics are definitively?

 

Yesterday I take cbd oil and it's special .. I don't know if it's safe

 

I start one time propranolol 40mg but it's not great and feels more sad with it

 

What can I take ? Melatonia for sleep?

Bach flower?

Citrus Melissa tea( not bad )

 

 

 

[Farid]

Hello nobody?

[Farid]

?:(

[Cocopuffz17]

Hey, I took melatonin for sleep. I took the risk of taking a huge amount to get sleep rather than not sleeping and dealing with massive fatigue. I used sublingual tablets 20mg - 30mg per night. It is not recommended, but it is what I did. Antibiotics are terrible for your microbiome and wreak havoc on it. I found great results with changing my nutrition and not taking any antibiotics. I am now almost 21 months off of paroxetine after 11 years on it. You are stronger than you know! Everyday that passes is one day closer to being healed

[Altostrata]

We do not recommend taking that much melatonin.

 

As little as 0.25mg melatonin can be effective. It is not a sleeping drug. It is a signal to your body that it is time to get ready for sleep. Then your body does the rest.

[ChessieCat]

Melatonin