MaryKA Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 mammaP, does your grandson know that your meds/WD affect you? Or is it that he doesn't really realise cos he's 14? Started citalopram May 12, from 10 to 40 mg/d over 2 months Wanted to come off in May 13 and did it too quickly: decrease from 40 to 0 mg/d over 2 weeks; WD from then onwards, increasing in intensity to be unbearable at 4 weeks later; reinstated 10 mg/d for 2 days (WD severity halved); reinstated 20 mg/d (initial WD symptoms decreased but not gone entirely until after 8 weeks) Started 5--7% taper: Aug 13: 19 mg/d, mild WD on day 3; thereafter none notable; Nov 13: 18 mg/d, no WD; Dec 13: 17 mg/day, no WD for 3 weeks, then (at Christmas) tearfulness; Jan 14: 16.7 mg/d, Apr 14: 15.7 mg/d, Jun 14: 14.5 mg/d; Jul 14: 13.5 mg/d (6.9% reduction), Aug 14: 12.5 mg/d (7.4% reduction) Sharing experience makes a difference Link to comment
MaryKA Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 cos I'm catching up, mammaP, so sorry to hear about your flu and then also WD after dropping from 4 to 3 beads. How is it now? If it's the repercussions of your holiday, it has to be worth it!? Keep on going, it must get better. I'm so glad you got away on hol with your daughter, something to hang on to if you're low! Started citalopram May 12, from 10 to 40 mg/d over 2 months Wanted to come off in May 13 and did it too quickly: decrease from 40 to 0 mg/d over 2 weeks; WD from then onwards, increasing in intensity to be unbearable at 4 weeks later; reinstated 10 mg/d for 2 days (WD severity halved); reinstated 20 mg/d (initial WD symptoms decreased but not gone entirely until after 8 weeks) Started 5--7% taper: Aug 13: 19 mg/d, mild WD on day 3; thereafter none notable; Nov 13: 18 mg/d, no WD; Dec 13: 17 mg/day, no WD for 3 weeks, then (at Christmas) tearfulness; Jan 14: 16.7 mg/d, Apr 14: 15.7 mg/d, Jun 14: 14.5 mg/d; Jul 14: 13.5 mg/d (6.9% reduction), Aug 14: 12.5 mg/d (7.4% reduction) Sharing experience makes a difference Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 13, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 13, 2013 mammaP, does your grandson know that your meds/WD affect you? Or is it that he doesn't really realise cos he's 14? No he hasn't a clue, I haven't said anything to him about it. I'm not sure he'd get it . I feel a bit better today, had my neighbour in for coffee and she was looking through my beads but I was fine with it today. Yesterday was one of those days when every little sound is amplified and lights are too bright. I get that when I aren't well, my nerves feel so raw. I've always let the kids make things when they come here, as long as they tidy up afterwards and ask before using something in case I need it. He remembered a specific bead and wanted that one but we couldn't find it. I have a wardrobe which I removed the rail and out shelves in, it is FULL of boxes of beading/jewellery making paraphanalia and he wanted ONE bead, lol. Had to improvise in the end, I think his brother might have used the one he wanted for HIS girlfriend. Last week he took card and paper stuff into the spare room and spent an hour making something. He didn't tell me what or show me I just saw him looking for 'stuff' to make it with. I love it when they do that, much better than sitting with the computer ! **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
MaryKA Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 How to let the g'children of our agonies is not easy ... I did not know about my stepgrandma wearing a wig until after she died in 1985. She'd lost her hair at the age of 18 in 1918 after the Spanish flu epidemic, and wore a wig thereafter, and the only clue that i had, looking back, is from 1983ish when my dad commented on her letting her grey show though, just a bit (she was always dark, dark brown before). There's no right way, depends on everyone involved. Creative time is so good, and isn't it good when one can make the space and stuff and time for it to happen! I wish the same for my own g'children. Hope you can cope up! Started citalopram May 12, from 10 to 40 mg/d over 2 months Wanted to come off in May 13 and did it too quickly: decrease from 40 to 0 mg/d over 2 weeks; WD from then onwards, increasing in intensity to be unbearable at 4 weeks later; reinstated 10 mg/d for 2 days (WD severity halved); reinstated 20 mg/d (initial WD symptoms decreased but not gone entirely until after 8 weeks) Started 5--7% taper: Aug 13: 19 mg/d, mild WD on day 3; thereafter none notable; Nov 13: 18 mg/d, no WD; Dec 13: 17 mg/day, no WD for 3 weeks, then (at Christmas) tearfulness; Jan 14: 16.7 mg/d, Apr 14: 15.7 mg/d, Jun 14: 14.5 mg/d; Jul 14: 13.5 mg/d (6.9% reduction), Aug 14: 12.5 mg/d (7.4% reduction) Sharing experience makes a difference Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 14, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 14, 2013 Felt a bit better yesterday then this morning was hit by a terrible wave of desperation, the kind that makes me think I can't cope with this for another minute. Then it was gone, it's always in the mornings if I feel that way, when I have to get up. I'm ok in bed, I love my bed, it's cosy, warm and safe, getting out of it and leaving it behind is traumatic sometimes but I can't stay there forever! Usually I come round about lunchtime and can go out in the afternoon. Not today because it's a dull dreary dismal rainy day. Now i is 5.30pm and pitch black outside, I hate winter when it's like this, I don't mind frost or snow as long as the sun shines but hate this cloud. I once read that the phrase 'under the weather' came from days like this and winter depression. I can see why. I've been sticking blu-tac round the window frames to cut the draught today, hoping it will make the place a bit warmer, it certainly stopped the freezing cold air coming in! **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Rhiannon Posted November 14, 2013 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 14, 2013 Hi mamma, I'm sorry you're having a rough spell. Between the withdrawal and the weather and lack of light it's challenging! I live further south than you do but further north than I've ever lived before and the short days take their toll. Hang in there! And remember what you said a while back, how good it was for you to get to bed earlier and get up early enough to experience more sunlight. My therapy light lamp is great but nothing is as good as actual daylight, for me. I definitely relate to the feeling of just wanting to stay tucked up in your nice cozy safe comfy bed! You're at the point in your taper where one bead is a big percentage of the total, so please be very patient and caring with yourself. We are all behind you and rooting for you. Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010. Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea. Feb 15 2010: 300 mg Neurontin 200 Lamictal 10 Celexa 0.65 Xanax and 5 mg Ambien Feb 10 2014: 62 Lamictal 1.1 Celexa 0.135 Xanax 1.8 Valium Feb 10 2015: 50 Lamictal 0.875 Celexa 0.11 Xanax 1.5 Valium Feb 15 2016: 47.5 Lamictal 0.75 Celexa 0.0875 Xanax 1.42 Valium 2/12/20 12 0.045 0.007 1 May 2021 7 0.01 0.0037 1 Feb 2022 6 0!!! 0.00167 0.98 2.5 mg Ambien Oct 2022 4.5 mg Lamictal (off Celexa, off Xanax) 0.95 Valium Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion. Link to comment
MaryKA Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Hi mammaP, about the light, yesterday was terribly dark. I drove out at midday and cars had their lights on (and me too). It was bizarre! And today we had windy gusts so that an outhouse door was blown in ... Started citalopram May 12, from 10 to 40 mg/d over 2 months Wanted to come off in May 13 and did it too quickly: decrease from 40 to 0 mg/d over 2 weeks; WD from then onwards, increasing in intensity to be unbearable at 4 weeks later; reinstated 10 mg/d for 2 days (WD severity halved); reinstated 20 mg/d (initial WD symptoms decreased but not gone entirely until after 8 weeks) Started 5--7% taper: Aug 13: 19 mg/d, mild WD on day 3; thereafter none notable; Nov 13: 18 mg/d, no WD; Dec 13: 17 mg/day, no WD for 3 weeks, then (at Christmas) tearfulness; Jan 14: 16.7 mg/d, Apr 14: 15.7 mg/d, Jun 14: 14.5 mg/d; Jul 14: 13.5 mg/d (6.9% reduction), Aug 14: 12.5 mg/d (7.4% reduction) Sharing experience makes a difference Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 14, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 14, 2013 Hi Rhi and Mary, I love Scotland but hate the few weeks from the end of October when the clocks change until late December when the days start to lengthen again, I breathe a sigh of relief because I know that spring is on it's way back, lol. I complain it's dark now but in another month it will be dismal, I don't mind the snow because it brightens things up and reflects the sun but really hate days like these.It was wild here too and would have blown me off my feet if I attempted to go out! I have a light box too Rhi and don't think I would get through the winter without it. Actually have 2 now because I bought a new lightweight one, and a dawn simulator clock. You are right though, it just isn't the same as sunlight. I'm so glad we went away on holiday because I feel that the week of sunshine has been really good for me. **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Nikki Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 MamaP do you sit under the light? Or can you use it to read under? I am originally from New York City and by the end of January I took a warm weather vacation. It is the opposite now.....I would love the escape the heat and humidity and go to a cold climate. I wonder if it would help when Christmas rolls around to put white lights around the house. It has warm cozy feeling and can actually be very soothing. Mornings are hard for alot of people....and people who are not tapering meds too. Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 15, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 15, 2013 Hi Nikki, I don't celebrate Christmas but do like the white lights. I don't have any fancy ones but maybe when my mojo is back in full swing I will be able to 'dress' the house with some pretty lights, I quite fancy that idea, but hadn't thought of it so thanks for the suggestion . I have white light bulbs everywhere, I hate those low energy ones that take an age to warm up and are so dull they actually hurt your eyes trying to focus. I bought some quite expensive daylight ones and have those everywhere. They are on all the time in winter, all over the house, I switch them all on in the morning and off when I go to bed. Most people switch their lights off all the time, because of bills but I need the light, I really do. I have a light box in my bedroom and put it on for half an hour before I get up, and another on my craft table behind the sewing machine.Haven't done much sewing though so don't switch that one on much. This place was built in 1655 and faces North East so doesn't get much light, even in the huge 18ft wide bay windows because they are Georgian panes. Beautiful building and lovely apartment but very dark. Today I am going to sew some cushions (pillows) for my son's girlfriend, she couldn't find what she wanted so he volunteered my services! **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 16, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 16, 2013 Had quite a bad day today, could barely move for pain so decided to get a hot bath with lavender and epsom salts hoping it would help me sleep. It helped a great deal.......woke up and the water was freezing, lol. Now the pain is eased but wide awake! My own fault for eating biscuits and shifting my bed around One day I will learn that 1..biscuits are NOT good for me, 2..I am NOT up to shifting furniture! **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 17, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 17, 2013 Feeling thoroughly miserable today and my hips are so painful. One keeps giving way and collapsing. Really really don't want another replacement and hopefully will settle if I rest up. Grandma Grumpypants is my name today! But there is something to smile about, my daughter has just invited me out for dinner with the family . I am being picked up in 2 hours so will get to work with the polyfilla to fill the cracks and try to look presentable . **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
alex Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Hello mammap; despite your suffering you still have a good sense of humor.That is very good! Congratulations. Hang in there, and you'll see better days. Healing vibes from CR all the way to Scotland. 4 years aprox. on 150mgs.Effexor for situational major depression.No AD before.Tapered 150-0mgs in 3 months. Tapered Quetiapine,Xanax in the last 18 months.NO med of any kind anymore.First 3 months off acute w/dProtracted w/d ever since.Symptoms:Anxiety,anhedonia,insomnia,tinnitus,PSSD 04/13/2014 Awful Relapse.Recovered fairly fast. 3 years and 4 months off. waves and windows.Very much recovered. November 2015,health issue.Setback. Link to comment
Nikki Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Your building is historical and it must be beautiful:) The epsom salt bath with lavender sounds very soothing. Maybe you should do it again for your hips. Mama when I taper I do get migratory aches and pains. It shuffles around and then eventually goes away. I found a nice warm comforter to help. Along with sleep. We need sleep no matter what. Tapering or not tapering or even if we never touched a drug. Keep the lights on if it is dark....light is a good thing. Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus tezza Posted November 17, 2013 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 17, 2013 Hugs to you, mammaP, I hope you feel better, right away! http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1644-tezza-risperdal-withdrawal/ Seroquel and Mirtazipine Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted November 18, 2013 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 18, 2013 I hope you had a lovely time out with your family MammaP, and feel a lot better. I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 19, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 19, 2013 Thanks everyone, I had a lovely time and we had some fun. We went for a meal, nowhere posh just a local cafe where we could relax and not worry about the baby disturbing anyone. My daughter, grandaughters, their spouses and great grandaughter. It was really good, we haven't done that for such a long time. I am still in a lot of pain and not sleeping, think the weather isn't helping any. Feel very tired and depressed yesterday and today, like tears are there just ready to erupt. This is withdrawal, + winter, but it will pass. **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 20, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 20, 2013 `Feeling ill again, everywhere aches and am exhausted. It's hard to read and light hurts my head. Arthritis has flared up and I think I've overdone the magnesium too, loose bowels and stomach cramps so will cut it back a bit. Regarding withdrawal, I actually feel calmer since dropping to 3 beads.It's quite strange really, it's a calmness I'm not used to feeling, maybe that's the magnesium? I like it and just wish I didn't feel so physically sick. Not moaning about it though, just logging it. I am still much better off than a lot of the members here. It's awful the suffering those drugs cause so many people and I wish every single one to find some way of getting through. **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
alex Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Regarding withdrawal, I actually feel calmer since dropping to 3 beads.It's quite strange really, it's a calmness I'm not used to feeling, maybe that's the magnesium? Or maybe you are healing.... 4 years aprox. on 150mgs.Effexor for situational major depression.No AD before.Tapered 150-0mgs in 3 months. Tapered Quetiapine,Xanax in the last 18 months.NO med of any kind anymore.First 3 months off acute w/dProtracted w/d ever since.Symptoms:Anxiety,anhedonia,insomnia,tinnitus,PSSD 04/13/2014 Awful Relapse.Recovered fairly fast. 3 years and 4 months off. waves and windows.Very much recovered. November 2015,health issue.Setback. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 22, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 22, 2013 Thanks Alex, didn't think of that! The inner calm is still there but I'm feeling quite anxious at the same time, it's different though. That makes no sense to be anxious but calm, it's new to me! I am anxious about things that need doing, the lady wo comes to help with the house is due in 30 minutes and I am feeling panicky because I'm not dressed and the house is a mess. I had a new lamp delivered yesterday and there is packaging everywhere, polystyrene chips all over the floor and dishes in the sink. It's stupid because that is why she is coming! But I don't feel that sense of wanting to scream or the tight knot in my stomach. Another thing is the suicidal thoughts.......they have gone! Even when I was feeling better, those thoughts crept in every morning and lasted until I was up and moving around. I didn't dwell on them but they were there. But now they aren't and it is odd remembering them and that feeling. I still feel quite down too, the SAD part is still here and probably will be all winter but I will ride it. Better go, my lady is early **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
alex Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 mammaP, I think you are DEFINITELY getting better....! The awful acute symptoms are fading away. That's the way it is happening to me too. I am glad. Hugs, A. 4 years aprox. on 150mgs.Effexor for situational major depression.No AD before.Tapered 150-0mgs in 3 months. Tapered Quetiapine,Xanax in the last 18 months.NO med of any kind anymore.First 3 months off acute w/dProtracted w/d ever since.Symptoms:Anxiety,anhedonia,insomnia,tinnitus,PSSD 04/13/2014 Awful Relapse.Recovered fairly fast. 3 years and 4 months off. waves and windows.Very much recovered. November 2015,health issue.Setback. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 24, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 24, 2013 I feel exhausted again today, nauseous and light headed. My first thought was withdrawal and it probably is to a degree then realised that stress last night probably triggered it. It was midnight when my grandson called, very upset and angry. Then mum called, upset and crying, then younger grandson turned up to stay over here. More calls and calming everyone down, everyone angry at everyone else. It was 2.15 before everyone was calm and settled down for the night. Dad turned off his his phone and carried on with his evening out oblivious! Grandma is now very tired, and waiting for 1 teenager to ask to move in, which was hinted at last night. Not sure how I would handle that one! **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted November 24, 2013 Member Share Posted November 24, 2013 Hi mammaP, Having a grandson moving in might be stressful, I am sure you will be able to navigate through this. You have been such a rock for me, I wish I could say or do something helpful but I can't find any words inside me right now so I'll just send {{hugs}}. What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 24, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 24, 2013 A hug is good CW, thank you, just what was needed. I still have grandson here, he'll be going home tomorrow I think. Mum asked if he can stay tonight. I'll put him in the kitchen to cook dinner, he likes cooking. **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 25, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 25, 2013 My grandson is away to his dads for now. I feel so so sorry for him, he is so sad and unhappy. He confided in me and told me what is making him unhappy. He is involved with social work and has to see his social worker today. I told him to be honest with her, I just hope and pray that if he is honest, she will give him the help he needs. He needs someone to fight his corner, he's just a child. He may be 6ft tall and a rugby player but he is still a child inside. For me it is a good day, I was up and showered by 9am. Cleaned the kitchen and swept the floor ( after said grandson cooked dinner last night ) . And it isn't even lunchtime yet! **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 26, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 26, 2013 My grandson took my advice, talked to the social worker and Dad and moved into Dad's last night. He is there permanently now and will hopefully settle down. This morning my son called by and didn't look well. He had a brain haemorrage 10 years ago and had brain surgery for a ruptured aneurysm. Today he had tingling down one arm and weakness in his hand. His face on that side was numb. He went to the doctor straight away and was given aspirin for a suspected TIA . He refused to go to ER because his son only moved in last night. The doc called neuro and he is getting in for a brain scan in the next couple of days. We nearly lost him with the aneurysm and I am so worried. I just hope they get him in quick for that scan. I'll be going to stay at his house with my grandson if he has to go into hospital. I MUST STAY CALM! **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus tezza Posted November 26, 2013 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 26, 2013 I'm so sorry to hear your son is not well! I can understand your concern, I would be the same, I'm sure. I will say a prayer for you and him. {{{HUGS}}} http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1644-tezza-risperdal-withdrawal/ Seroquel and Mirtazipine Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted November 26, 2013 Member Share Posted November 26, 2013 mammaP, sending prayers to you and your son and lots of love and hugs. You are strong and will handle anything that happens, I believe in you! What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
alex Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 My spirit is with you mammaP Trust the big capacity of the body to heal itself. Wishing you and your love ones good luck.A. 4 years aprox. on 150mgs.Effexor for situational major depression.No AD before.Tapered 150-0mgs in 3 months. Tapered Quetiapine,Xanax in the last 18 months.NO med of any kind anymore.First 3 months off acute w/dProtracted w/d ever since.Symptoms:Anxiety,anhedonia,insomnia,tinnitus,PSSD 04/13/2014 Awful Relapse.Recovered fairly fast. 3 years and 4 months off. waves and windows.Very much recovered. November 2015,health issue.Setback. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 28, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 28, 2013 Thank you for the thoughts and prayers. My son is going to the hospital today for a neuro appointment. I am going to stay with my grandson shortly for however long dad is away. It could be just hours but could be transferred to a hospital 200 miles away which treated his aneurysm. Sorry I haven't been in much, I can't concentrate and my brain isn't registering what I'm reading right now. I think he will be fine, he feels much better now, fresh as a daisy he said and feels a bit embarrassed going to the hospital but I can't help worrying. His last scan showed a new aneurysm but too tiny to cause problems or treat. Hopefully it will still be tiny! **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted November 28, 2013 Member Share Posted November 28, 2013 That is cautious good news, mammaP. I hope everything turns out well and we will be here for you! What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 29, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 29, 2013 My son saw the neuro surgeon and had an MRI scan yesterday. Doctor said she was very concerned about the coild he had inserted into his aneurysm 10 years ago, and the small aneurysm that had started next to it. She said that if the scan showed anything untoward in that area she would call him today and admit him to the hospital. Otherwise she will send an appointment for tests because it looks like a mini stroke. He's been put on clot busting drugs and will have to make some lifestyle changes. She didn't call today so that is a huge relief! He's quite upbeat tonight, he isn't in immediate danger and is alive, so he's already working out what he can do to improve things. I am exhausted! I need some sleep, lovely peaceful sleep. My neighbours were fighting again last night until 2am when the police came and took one of them away! In spite of it all I haven't been hit by the terrible withdrawal symptoms yet, only mild ones I can cope with. That is REALLY great, it means I really am getting better **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus tezza Posted November 29, 2013 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 29, 2013 Thank you for updating on your son, I'm glad he's not in immediate danger and has a plan in mind! So good to hear you're getting better, too! http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1644-tezza-risperdal-withdrawal/ Seroquel and Mirtazipine Link to comment
Nikki Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 MamaP....so sorry about your son. It is very scary for both of you to walk thru this. I will keep you and he in my prayers and try to check in on you daily. Lots of people have mini strokes and don't even know it. Getting him into the doctor's asap was good. Thank goodness he is under medical supervision. Lots and lots of hugs from across the Atlantic for you:) Intro: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1902-nikki-hi-my-rundown-with-ads/ Paxil 1997-2004 Crossed over to Lexapro Paxil not available at Pharmacies GSK halted deliveries Lexapro 40mgs Lexapro taper (2years) Imipramine Imipramine and Celexa Now Nefazadone/Imipramine 50mgs. each 45mgs. Serzone 50mgs. Imipramine Link to comment
Member cymbaltawithdrawal5600 Posted November 29, 2013 Member Share Posted November 29, 2013 Sounds like some mostly positive news mammaP, your son seems to be in good hands. I do hope you can get some sleep too, you've been through a lot in the past several days. Big hugs! What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878 July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site. Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus mammaP Posted November 29, 2013 Author Moderator Emeritus Share Posted November 29, 2013 Thank you ladies, it is now 11,45pm and I am going to bed, the wind is howling outside but my electric blanket is on so my bed is warm and cozy. I'll take a cup of camomlle tea and listen to some ocean sounds. Goodnight my cyber friends. Thank you for being you. XXX **I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge. Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem) 1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat 2002 effexor. Tapered March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads. Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013 Restarted taper Nov 2013 OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015 Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014 Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg July 2017 30mg. May 15 2018 25mg Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33 Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible Link to comment
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