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WiggleIt

Anybody had a constantly stuffy nose in withdrawal and recovered from it?  My nose is constantly stuffy and it is difficult to breathe through my nose.  I know my body VERY well and I know that this is NOT a problem I ever had before meds or before withdrawal.

 

Success stories please in having this symptom get better?

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

Yep. It is due to the 'autonomic nervous system' dysfunction that is withdrawal syndrome. You name me a symptom, I'll do a little research and come back and tell you that there seems to be no other reason for it but wd. Truly. (And yes, the symptoms go away. You got an hour or five? Let me tell you about my symptoms. I've had them all it seems.)

 

Give me a bit more time to read up on how systems are supposed to work normally in the body (I used to be an rn) and I'll probably be able to come back and tell you in layman's terms why wd is messing with your nose. But I am swamped right now. I used vicks to unstuff mine.

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

Thanks for doing the thread search I should have done, Petu. I am going to quote a post that has the very info I needed, mainly the fact that ADs ARE RELATED TO ANTIHISTAMINES and there is the exact reason (or a major one) why we get the symptoms we do in wd:

 

 

I blame all of my sinus problems on WD. I've had blocked sinuses, pain in the sinuses, tons of sneezing, stuffed up feeling. Also itchy eyes. Allergy like reactions. These symptoms are definitely WD induced. Things are alowly improving but despite the improvements I can get hit with hours and/or days of bad flare ups.

Histamine is a neurotransmitter.

Many ADs have antihistamine properties but Paxil and some of the TCA [tricyclic antidepressants] (especially the sedating ones) have a more powerful antihistamine effect.
Consequently, when we WD from such, we experience a histamine rebound effect.

Also, our immune systems are affected by WD and thus, can be compromised in ways that can cause us to become temporarily more suseptible to allergens whether it be from diet, environment etc. which in turn can cause the problems discussed in this thread.

You may wish to do a search to obtain a list of foods that can create/produce histamine effects within the body and thus, experiment in way of eliminating such foods and see if there are any improvement.

If you improve for an extended period of time and would like to reintroduce those foods, do so ONE at a time to see how you react. Give it a couple of weeks and if you're okay then introduce another and so on.

By reintroducing one food at a time you may be able to determine IF one particular food is causing more of a negative effect than the others that have already been introduced. But also keep in mind, the cumulative effect factor.

Dairy products can aggravate throat, nasal passages etc. by thickening mucous membranes (if I remember correctly).

Vitamin C can have antihistamine effects and can help improve the situation or, at the very least keep the immune system stronger. It's also a stress vitamin......good for the CNS.

With that said, Vitamin C has not eliminated my sinus problems but who knows, I may have been every worse had I not taken it on a daily basis. I also take zinc to keep the immune system strong. Zinc and Vit. C work together.

I did run out of zinc for awhile and couldn't get out to pick up more and my allergy reactions to certain chemicals became extreme. Once I got out to pick up another bottle of zinc and reintroduced, this particular sytem settled back down to a more manageable level within a couple of days.

Finally, stress has the ability to compromise immune functioning and thus, it's advisable to manage one's stress levels.

 

The only thing I would add is that be careful with the vit C, some people complain that they think it interferes with sleep.

 

I believe that I precipitated extreme withdrawal symptoms by using (as my doctor suggested) Atarax (vistaril, hydroxyzine), A PRESCRIPTION ANTIHISTAMINE sometimes given to control anxiety and help with sleep. He thought the pressure I was having in my head was due to sinus blockage (it was actually wd syndrome starting in earnest) and since I already had some he told me to take it 3 times a day. Withing 2 days I was slammed and lost my ability to sleep. OTC benadryl can do the same thing. We get sensitized by long term AD use because of it's antihistamine-like properties.

 

There is no pill to take to relieve withdrawal syndrome and its associated symptoms and nearly everything we might want to gobble makes it worse, sadly.

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Junior

I've been taking Telfast (fexofenadine) for swollen sinuses - a relatively recent w/d symptom - and have been having bad insomnia for the past week.  Although insomnia has been my main w/d issue it had improved markedly over the past 2-3 months and this doesn't feel the same.  Anyhow at some stupid hour of the night I wondered if Telfast might be the culprit.  Did some googling and it seems that insomnia is a reported side effect.

 

Has anyone else come across this?

 

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compsports

I've been taking Telfast (fexofenadine) for swollen sinuses - a relatively recent w/d symptom - and have been having bad insomnia for the past week.  Although insomnia has been my main w/d issue it had improved markedly over the past 2-3 months and this doesn't feel the same.  Anyhow at some stupid hour of the night I wondered if Telfast might be the culprit.  Did some googling and it seems that insomnia is a reported side effect.

 

Has anyone else come across this?

Hi Junior,

 

I experienced this when I was taking this med while in the early stages of withdrawing from psych meds.   Allergist denied it was a side effect which greatly angered me.

 

This nonsense never ends, does it?

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Junior

"This nonsense never ends"  - Spot on CS (I keep wanting to call you Palm :P)

 

When you stopped taking it, how long before things improved?  Can you remember?  Don't worry if you can't.  It all starts to blur together after a while

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compsports

Hi Junior,

 

You can call me whatever you want as long as it is nice:)

 

I vaguely remember reducing the dose per the doctor's instruction which improved the insomnia but wasn't enough to do any good.   I think I quit taking it but never substituted another med.

 

Any way your NP can suggest a non med alternative that wouldn't cause insomnia?

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Junior

Thanks for your kind words.

 

My NP has me on a herbal thing that helps but it takes time.  Guess I'll just have to suck it up and deal with it :ph34r:

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compsports

Thanks for your kind words.

 

My NP has me on a herbal thing that helps but it takes time.  Guess I'll just have to suck it up and deal with it :ph34r:

Sorry to hear that.   Sucking it up does get old but I guess when you don't have a choice, that is what you have to do.

 

CS

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Chemistry

Hey guys, 

 

I know this is a little bit gross but im just wondering, i'm pretty sure i started to get this constant post nasal drip (feeling of trickling mucus in the back of my throat, having to clear my throat a lot, spitting, etc) at some point after coming off these meds over 2 years ago. I dont remember really having it before. It has gotten worse over time and its so annoying and gross and  i often get a bad taste in my mouth along with bad breath. It's really embarrassing actually and it drives me nuts when its really bad. I could just sit all day trying to clear my throat but no matter what it never goes away. Sorry if this was TMI. 

 

Could this be a symptom of withdrawal? Could it go away on its own? 

 

there are others on the internet who have the same problem for years, sometimes decades and most people find diets and figuring out any allergies they have can help. But if this is mostly caused by withdrawal, then i dont know. I just really hope it'll eventually go away. 

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Petunia

Several similar topics merged

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Swedishgirl

Does anybody here have experience with antihistamines? I take 2.5 mg atarax now and then to help with nausea and anxiety, but the day after I've taken it I feel more "dead" (emotionless) and unmotivated than usually. Atarax also makes me tired and a bit depressed. Can anyone relate to this?

Thanks in advance! /SG.

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RobertaSparrow

Hiya,

 

This indeed makes sense.  Some antidepressants are serotonergic, which means they are thought to (by direct or indirect means) increase serotonin production in a similar way to antidepressants - I believe the first wave of antidepressants were based on antihistamines.  I find that in the wake of antidepressant withdrawal, I can be extremely agitated in a biochemical way when I take anything that acts on the neurotransmitters involved in the action of the drug.  This has included St. John's Wort in the past.

 

I have found that some antihistamines that act more on the central nervous system cause less side effects, but there is still a distinct effect.  I know how frustrating this can be - and often it's a matter of weighing up the situation - will the irritation from the allergy cause more agitation to my frazzled nervous system than the antihistamine I could use to treat the allergy?  Ultimately it's best to avoid the peaks and troughs, but we've still gotta live.

 

Best of luck to you.

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antidepressantsNoMore

I used to use them to sleep, then I would wake up in the middle of the night in panic. So i stopped taking them. If you are experience symptoms like that, STOP it.

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NowhereMan76

I have it too!

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someday

Hi Chemistry,

 

I had PND all through my teenage years and into my 20s (I'm 28 now.) I still get it occasionally now. It can be extremely uncomfortable and upsetting. You can't breathe properly. There's a horrible taste in your mouth. It's tough to get to sleep. The nausea can be disturbing. Sometimes I found it tough to even reach the end of a sentence without having to stop and deal with my PND. I always had to sleep next to an open window because otherwise it felt like I would suffocate overnight. I read an article a few years ago that suggested it can actually make people depressed, and that sounds totally plausible to me. 

 

I eventually realised that dairy was what was causing it for me. I always drank milk every day, in cereal, in my tea, etc, plus cheese and yoghurts, etc. So I cut back massively on the dairy, and that put an end to it for me. I also discovered that bananas cause it for me too. So does being around lots of dust.

 

I haven't made any connection between medication or withdrawal and PND, personally, but I suppose it could exacerbate it? But you should do a google search for the most common foods that cause an allergic reaction, and then maybe consider cutting back on any of the ones you eat frequently and see if that helps things. As far as I'm aware, you can develop allergies over time, so maybe that has happened to you.

 

For me, I notice the difference instantly. If I consume dairy or eat a banana, I feel the effects of PND literally within minutes. And when I don't, I'm fine.

 

Good luck!

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Chemistry

Thanks for the reply someday. Im really glad to know you found out the cause for you. The people who have had PND for long usually do eventually figure it out which is nice. I will look for these common food allergies and see what i can do. I think dust is a problem for me also.

I dont have dairy but i do eat bananas almost everyday so ill try to cut some of these thing out and see what happens. Id love for this to settle down since it can be so annoying. Thanks again.

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Sybilgirlus

Hi Chemistry,

I also realized that continuous PND started during my Paxil withdrawal.  It is slowly getting better in that it only comes in waves now instead of being constant.  I am almost to week five of being Paxil free.

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DLB

Wow, going through this now . I think this may be what some refer to as"cement head". It feels like a golfball is between my eyes and just constant pressure and makes me feel weird. No pain at all though. Anyone else describe it like that??

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NoMeaning25

Please ive been suffering with severe allergy symptoms - Ears blocked, itchy, sneezing runny nose, eyes itch, face feels puffy, sinus areas are tender to touch. Worst is the ears i need to unpop then 100000 a day i need relief.

 

Is cetirizine hydrochloride safe to take or does anyone know if it causes problems?

 

Wiki says that it barely has an effect on the CNS

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stan

in french :zyrtec, i took it for sinusitis one month, no results...it was when i was young and before paxil

 

in your case i would try Phytotherapy, after brain meds, we are too sensitive to chemical meds

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NoMeaning25

Thanks Stan. I will try quercitin with zinc and vitamin c (effervescent tablets i have)

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stan

and not big doses, because big doses of good things become poison for body, give body a little, if he need, he will take it, if he is not able to take it, making a deluge of the substance will only force the body to put this outdoor, and this takes energy

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NoMeaning25

Yes i only take about a 1/4 tablet. Ita not working though and im really suffering badly :(

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NoMeaning25

Ears still blocked and buzzing from allergies. Why is this taking so long i am worried it will never go away :'(

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NoMeaning25

Do not try Allegra! I tried it a few hours ago and it feels like i an dying. I only tried 60mg my feet are tingling, throat is sore, i feel dizzy and nauseous, ears buzzing and extremely anxious if brought on a panic attack i am not able to sleep

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primekittycat

I didn't have any side effects with Allegra. I think these drugs will affect everyone differently. I only took 1 60mg dose though (I volunteer with cats on Sundays and need to take an allergy pill before I go there)

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SquirrellyGirl

Hello, 

 

i am on another forum (patient.info) where several threads have come up on tapering Remeron (mirtazapine).  People of course are always tapering too quickly and running into WD insomnia, and Phenergan is brought up a lot as something to try.  I was surprised that I found so little regarding this drug when I did a search here. 

 

I know, generally speaking, that taking other drugs is not recommended when in withdrawal.  I am just wondering if those who have experience with this drug could offer up their experiences, good, bad, or ugly.  It seems to act as an antihistamine so is touted as replacing the histamine block of mirtazapine.

 

I am doing the 10% taper and have taken Benedryl occasionally without ill effects.  Is it a matter of individuality or taper vs already in protracted withdrawal as to whether any of these drugs would cause problems?

 

Thanks in advance!  I hope everyone is having a restful weekend!

 

SG

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Petunia

Phenergan (Promethazine)  is an antihistamine which can cause dependency issues of its own and not a drug we recommend to take to relieve antidepressant withdrawal symptoms.

 

It works on some of the same receptors as antidepressants, the same receptors which need to recover from the changes caused by antidepressants. Dr. David Healy has suggested that taking antihistamines regularly while trying to recover from antidepressants is basically like going back onto an antidepressant, see:  Antihistamines and what to use for allergy relief - Symptoms ...

 

and  Benadryl (Diphenhydramine) for withdrawal insomnia ...

 

Another problem with using antihistamines if your nervous system is sensitized by withdrawal, is that the drug can have a paradoxical effect and cause worse symptoms. I know of one member at least who had her recovery set back by taking Hydroxyzine, another antihistamine.

 

Also see:  Atarax (Hydroxyzine) for Anxiety? - Surviving Antidepressants

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btdt

rhinocort is my currant answer to this... tho it has side effects

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reindeer17

Is Rhinocort a steroid spray?  I was stuffed up solid both times I was on Cipralex.  Now the same thing has happened.  Once I tapered I am no longer stuffed up 24/7, it comes and goes.  It seems to correlate with what I eat but is never consistent.  Sometimes it's dairy, alcohol, tea, chicken, gluten.  It's like my sinuses get inflamed and I can't taste a thing and sound really nasal.  I have literally tried everything.  Nasal irrigation, mulitple supplements, nasacort, sudafed sinus advance.  I think it took a good 4-5 months to clear up the last time.  Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions as I am so sick of not being able to taste food and don't want to eliminate all of the culprits from my diet.  The sudafed does work sometimes, however I don't want to become dependent on it.  Thanks!

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mammaP

Bumping for new member. 

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FightingForHope

Hello everyone,

I have been an allergy sufferer since my teens, but while on meds and during my previous attempts at withdrawal and the current one, I started being plagued by sinus infections - I have had near constant sinus infections and a three month ear infection in the last year alone. I don't know if they are WD and med related, but I suspect that if at least my stress due to WD was lesser, I might have less issues. I might still have some problems (allergies run in my family), but maybe not so many.

 

I am taking antibiotics for my current sinus infection, and a couple of days ago I also took some Advil sinus (decongestant and benadryl) and Claritin (antihistamine), which I had quit taking altogether about 4 months ago (?), having read of the correlation to ADs (and being now wary of any pills). Well around the same time I also had a resurgence in the intensity of my symptoms and tension... it almost seems that my sinus issues are worsened by meds/AD, and in turn the meds/AD symptoms are worsened by the antihistamines and pseudoephedrine decongestant. Does this make sense?

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btdt

Is Rhinocort a steroid spray?  I was stuffed up solid both times I was on Cipralex.  Now the same thing has happened.  Once I tapered I am no longer stuffed up 24/7, it comes and goes.  It seems to correlate with what I eat but is never consistent.  Sometimes it's dairy, alcohol, tea, chicken, gluten.  It's like my sinuses get inflamed and I can't taste a thing and sound really nasal.  I have literally tried everything.  Nasal irrigation, mulitple supplements, nasacort, sudafed sinus advance.  I think it took a good 4-5 months to clear up the last time.  Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions as I am so sick of not being able to taste food and don't want to eliminate all of the culprits from my diet.  The sudafed does work sometimes, however I don't want to become dependent on it.  Thanks!

yes and it has side effects but sometimes I need it other times I can get away with steaming my head over a pot with some apple cider vinegar... a hint I got from another apparently it has to be Braggs brand... and or eating some coconut oil.. cold pressed virgin I think both these things help I still don't have it beat and I too now seem to have bad allergic reactions which is new to me... 

sudafed is a bad idea in my book look up the ingredients... I can't recall them but all Ads were made from an antihistamine that was the base drug so I stay away from them I am just chicken 

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MaryDavid

Hi everyone, wanted to find out if anyone has had help during withdrawal using antihistamines?  Thanks & regards

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compsports

I never used them.

 

How would they help?

 

CS

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