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I remembered that I was given zopiclone for sleep during my hospital nightmare and just googled it 

out of curiosity. I found this .

 

http://www.nhs.uk/medicine-guides/pages/MedicineOverview.aspx?condition=Insomnia&medicine=zopiclone&preparationZopiclone%203.75mg%20tablets

 

Overview
Information specific to: Zopiclone 3.75mg tablets when used in Insomnia.

Zopiclone (Zop-pee-kloan) is a medicine which is used in difficulty sleeping.

The information in this Medicine Guide for zopiclone varies according to the condition being treated and the particular preparation used.

Your medicine

Zopiclone is a medicine which is used to treat sleeping problems.

Zopiclone should only be used at the lowest possible dose and for a maximum of up to four weeks. This will reduce the chance of tolerance, dependence and withdrawal symptoms. Reducing the dose of Zopiclone gradually over time may reduce the chances of having these problems.

It is essential to get a full night of continuous and uninterrupted sleep after taking Zopiclone. If your sleep is disturbed before this time has passed, Zopiclone may cause you to have some memory problems. You may have no memory of what happened from the time your sleep was interrupted until the time when the effects of this medicine have worn off.

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Furthermore, it is important to be aware that sleeping problems can be a symptom of a psychiatric condition, particularly when the sleeping problems have been going on for some time. Some people, in the course of taking Zopiclone for a sleeping problem, may find that an undiagnosed psychiatric condition, such as depression, becomes apparent. People who have a psychiatric condition and who are taking Zopiclone may experience some changes in behaviour.

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The paragraph above is typical, another 'diagnosis' of mental illness that is In fact CAUSED by medication. 

Do not share your medicine with other people. It may not be suitable for them and may harm them.

The pharmacy label on your medicine tells you how much medicine you should take. It also tells you how often you should take your medicine. This is the dose that you and your prescriber have agreed you should take. You should not change the dose of your medicine unless you are told to do so by your prescriber.

If you feel that the medicine is making you unwell or you do not think it is working, then talk to your prescriber.

Whether this medicine is suitable for you

Zopiclone is not suitable for everyone and some people should never use it. Other people should only use it with special care. It is important that the person prescribing this medicine knows your full medical history.

Your prescriber may only prescribe this medicine with special care or may not prescribe it at all if you:

  • are allergic or sensitive to or have had a reaction to any of the ingredients in the medicine
  • are elderly
  • have a personality disorder
  • have abused alcohol in the past
  • have breathing problems
  • have depression
  • have kidney problems
  • have liver problems
  • have misused drugs in the past
  • have myasthenia gravis
  • have sleep apnoea syndrome

Furthermore the prescriber may only prescribe this medicine with special care or may not prescribe it at all for someone under the age of 18 years.

As part of the process of assessing suitability to take this medicine a prescriber may also arrange tests:

  • to check that this medicine is not having any undesired effects

Over time it is possible that Zopiclone can become unsuitable for some people, or they may become unsuitable for it. If at any time it appears that Zopiclone has become unsuitable, it is important that the prescriber is contacted immediately.

Alcohol

Alcohol can interact with certain medicines.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • alcohol increases the sedative effects of Zopiclone

You must not drink any alcohol if you are taking this medicine.

Diet

Medicines can interact with certain foods. In some cases, this may be harmful and your prescriber may advise you to avoid certain foods.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • there are no specific foods that you must exclude from your diet when taking Zopiclone
Driving and operating machinery

When taking any medicine you should be aware that it might interfere with your ability to drive or operate machinery safely.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • this medicine could affect your ability to drive or operate machinery

You should see how this medicine affects you before you judge whether you are safe to drive or operate machinery. If you are in any doubt about whether you should drive or operate machinery, talk to your prescriber.

Family planning and pregnancy

Most medicines, in some way, can affect the development of a baby in the womb. The effect on the baby differs between medicines and also depends on the stage of pregnancy that you have reached when you take the medicine.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • if you become pregnant, or think you have become pregnant while taking Zopiclone, you must contact your prescriber
  • if you take this medicine during the late stages of pregnancy or during labour, your baby may have some problems immediately after birth
  • if you repeatedly take this medicine during the late stages of pregnancy your baby may become physically dependent on Zopiclone. This may lead to your baby having withdrawal symptoms from Zopiclone after birth
  • the use of this medicine during pregnancy is not recommended. You should only take this medicine during pregnancy if your doctor thinks that you need it

You need to discuss your specific circumstances with your doctor to weigh up the overall risks and benefits of taking this medicine. You and your doctor can make a decision about whether you are going to take this medicine during pregnancy.

If the decision is that you should not have Zopiclone, then you should discuss whether there is an alternative medicine that you could take during pregnancy.

Breast-feeding

Certain medicines can pass into breast milk and may reach your baby through breast-feeding.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • women who are breast-feeding should not take this medicine

Before you have your baby you should discuss breast-feeding with your doctor or midwife. They will help you decide what is best for you and your baby based on the benefits and risks associated with this medicine. If you wish to breast-feed you should discuss with your prescriber whether there are any other medicines you could take which would also allow you to breast-feed. You should not stop this medicine without taking advice from your doctor.

Taking other medicines

If you are taking more than one medicine they may interact with each other. At times your prescriber may decide to use medicines that interact, in other cases this may not be appropriate.

The decision to use medicines that interact depends on your specific circumstances. Your prescriber may decide to use medicines that interact, if it is believed that the benefits of taking the medicines together outweigh the risks. In such cases, it may be necessary to alter your dose or monitor you more closely.

Tell your prescriber the names of all the medicines that you are taking so that they can consider all possible interactions. This includes all the medicines which have been prescribed by your GP, hospital doctor, dentist, nurse, health visitor, midwife or pharmacist. You must also tell your prescriber about medicines which you have bought over the counter without prescriptions.

***************************************************************************

The following medicines may interact with Zopiclone:

  • carbamazepine
  • clarithromycin
  • erythromycin
  • itraconazole
  • ketoconazole
  • phenobarbital
  • phenytoin
  • rifampicin
  • ritonavir

The following types of medicine may interact with Zopiclone:

  • anaesthetics
  • antidepressants
  • antiepileptics
  • antipsychotics
  • anxiolytics
  • cytochrome P450 enzyme inducers
  • cytochrome P450 enzyme inhibitors
  • hypnotics
  • medicines which depress the CNS
  • narcotic analgesics
  • other psychotropics
  • sedative antihistamines
  • sedatives

If you are taking Zopiclone and one of the above medicines or types of medicines, make sure your prescriber knows about it.

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Don't doctors ever read this stuff???

 

Complementary preparations and vitamins

Medicines can interact with complementary preparations and vitamins.

Make sure you tell your prescriber the names of all the complementary preparations and vitamins that you are taking or are planning to take.

Your prescriber can then decide whether it is appropriate for you to take combinations that are known to interact.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • this medicineinteracts with St. John's Wort

If you have been prescribed Zopiclone you should only take something on the above list on the specific advice of your prescriber or pharmacist.

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Furthermore, it is important to be aware that sleeping problems can be a symptom of a psychiatric condition, particularly when the sleeping problems have been going on for some time. Some people, in the course of taking Zopiclone for a sleeping problem, may find that an undiagnosed psychiatric condition, such as depression, becomes apparent. People who have a psychiatric condition and who are taking Zopiclone may experience some changes in behaviour.

That is playing on the stereotype that sleep disorders are due to psychiatric conditions when that is not necessarily the case.

 

Also, it is perpetuating a falsehood that any "psychiatric" reaction from a sleep or psych med is unmasking a disorder which is a bunch of cr-p.   There is no end to this garbage.

 

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I remembered that I was given zopiclone for sleep during my hospital nightmare and just googled it 

out of curiosity. I found this .

 

http://www.nhs.uk/medicine-guides/pages/MedicineOverview.aspx?condition=Insomnia&medicine=zopiclone&preparationZopiclone%203.75mg%20tablets

 

Overview
Information specific to: Zopiclone 3.75mg tablets when used in Insomnia.

Zopiclone (Zop-pee-kloan) is a medicine which is used in difficulty sleeping.

The information in this Medicine Guide for zopiclone varies according to the condition being treated and the particular preparation used.

Your medicine

Zopiclone is a medicine which is used to treat sleeping problems.

Zopiclone should only be used at the lowest possible dose and for a maximum of up to four weeks. This will reduce the chance of tolerance, dependence and withdrawal symptoms. Reducing the dose of Zopiclone gradually over time may reduce the chances of having these problems.

It is essential to get a full night of continuous and uninterrupted sleep after taking Zopiclone. If your sleep is disturbed before this time has passed, Zopiclone may cause you to have some memory problems. You may have no memory of what happened from the time your sleep was interrupted until the time when the effects of this medicine have worn off.

*****************************************************

Furthermore, it is important to be aware that sleeping problems can be a symptom of a psychiatric condition, particularly when the sleeping problems have been going on for some time. Some people, in the course of taking Zopiclone for a sleeping problem, may find that an undiagnosed psychiatric condition, such as depression, becomes apparent. People who have a psychiatric condition and who are taking Zopiclone may experience some changes in behaviour.

******************************************************

The paragraph above is typical, another 'diagnosis' of mental illness that is In fact CAUSED by medication. 

Do not share your medicine with other people. It may not be suitable for them and may harm them.

The pharmacy label on your medicine tells you how much medicine you should take. It also tells you how often you should take your medicine. This is the dose that you and your prescriber have agreed you should take. You should not change the dose of your medicine unless you are told to do so by your prescriber.

If you feel that the medicine is making you unwell or you do not think it is working, then talk to your prescriber.

Whether this medicine is suitable for you

Zopiclone is not suitable for everyone and some people should never use it. Other people should only use it with special care. It is important that the person prescribing this medicine knows your full medical history.

Your prescriber may only prescribe this medicine with special care or may not prescribe it at all if you:

  • are allergic or sensitive to or have had a reaction to any of the ingredients in the medicine
  • are elderly
  • have a personality disorder
  • have abused alcohol in the past
  • have breathing problems
  • have depression
  • have kidney problems
  • have liver problems
  • have misused drugs in the past
  • have myasthenia gravis
  • have sleep apnoea syndrome

Furthermore the prescriber may only prescribe this medicine with special care or may not prescribe it at all for someone under the age of 18 years.

As part of the process of assessing suitability to take this medicine a prescriber may also arrange tests:

  • to check that this medicine is not having any undesired effects

Over time it is possible that Zopiclone can become unsuitable for some people, or they may become unsuitable for it. If at any time it appears that Zopiclone has become unsuitable, it is important that the prescriber is contacted immediately.

Alcohol

Alcohol can interact with certain medicines.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • alcohol increases the sedative effects of Zopiclone

You must not drink any alcohol if you are taking this medicine.

Diet

Medicines can interact with certain foods. In some cases, this may be harmful and your prescriber may advise you to avoid certain foods.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • there are no specific foods that you must exclude from your diet when taking Zopiclone
Driving and operating machinery

When taking any medicine you should be aware that it might interfere with your ability to drive or operate machinery safely.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • this medicine could affect your ability to drive or operate machinery

You should see how this medicine affects you before you judge whether you are safe to drive or operate machinery. If you are in any doubt about whether you should drive or operate machinery, talk to your prescriber.

Family planning and pregnancy

Most medicines, in some way, can affect the development of a baby in the womb. The effect on the baby differs between medicines and also depends on the stage of pregnancy that you have reached when you take the medicine.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • if you become pregnant, or think you have become pregnant while taking Zopiclone, you must contact your prescriber
  • if you take this medicine during the late stages of pregnancy or during labour, your baby may have some problems immediately after birth
  • if you repeatedly take this medicine during the late stages of pregnancy your baby may become physically dependent on Zopiclone. This may lead to your baby having withdrawal symptoms from Zopiclone after birth
  • the use of this medicine during pregnancy is not recommended. You should only take this medicine during pregnancy if your doctor thinks that you need it

You need to discuss your specific circumstances with your doctor to weigh up the overall risks and benefits of taking this medicine. You and your doctor can make a decision about whether you are going to take this medicine during pregnancy.

If the decision is that you should not have Zopiclone, then you should discuss whether there is an alternative medicine that you could take during pregnancy.

Breast-feeding

Certain medicines can pass into breast milk and may reach your baby through breast-feeding.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • women who are breast-feeding should not take this medicine

Before you have your baby you should discuss breast-feeding with your doctor or midwife. They will help you decide what is best for you and your baby based on the benefits and risks associated with this medicine. If you wish to breast-feed you should discuss with your prescriber whether there are any other medicines you could take which would also allow you to breast-feed. You should not stop this medicine without taking advice from your doctor.

Taking other medicines

If you are taking more than one medicine they may interact with each other. At times your prescriber may decide to use medicines that interact, in other cases this may not be appropriate.

The decision to use medicines that interact depends on your specific circumstances. Your prescriber may decide to use medicines that interact, if it is believed that the benefits of taking the medicines together outweigh the risks. In such cases, it may be necessary to alter your dose or monitor you more closely.

Tell your prescriber the names of all the medicines that you are taking so that they can consider all possible interactions. This includes all the medicines which have been prescribed by your GP, hospital doctor, dentist, nurse, health visitor, midwife or pharmacist. You must also tell your prescriber about medicines which you have bought over the counter without prescriptions.

***************************************************************************

The following medicines may interact with Zopiclone:

  • carbamazepine
  • clarithromycin
  • erythromycin
  • itraconazole
  • ketoconazole
  • phenobarbital
  • phenytoin
  • rifampicin
  • ritonavir

The following types of medicine may interact with Zopiclone:

  • anaesthetics
  • antidepressants
  • antiepileptics
  • antipsychotics
  • anxiolytics
  • cytochrome P450 enzyme inducers
  • cytochrome P450 enzyme inhibitors
  • hypnotics
  • medicines which depress the CNS
  • narcotic analgesics
  • other psychotropics
  • sedative antihistamines
  • sedatives

If you are taking Zopiclone and one of the above medicines or types of medicines, make sure your prescriber knows about it.

************************************************************************************

Don't doctors ever read this stuff???

 

Complementary preparations and vitamins

Medicines can interact with complementary preparations and vitamins.

Make sure you tell your prescriber the names of all the complementary preparations and vitamins that you are taking or are planning to take.

Your prescriber can then decide whether it is appropriate for you to take combinations that are known to interact.

In the case of Zopiclone:

  • this medicineinteracts with St. John's Wort

If you have been prescribed Zopiclone you should only take something on the above list on the specific advice of your prescriber or pharmacist.

Content provided by Datapharm

 

 

 

I just looked this drug up as a family member has been on it a few years and has gone down to 80 pounds I was looking for an anurxia reaction and found it with this drug I also found a lot of other bad things out please see this 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zopiclone

 

unmasks they say do they say a word about 

 

Tolerance, dependence and withdrawal

Zopiclone, a benzodiazepine-like drug was introduced and initially promoted as having less dependence and withdrawal than traditional benzodiazepine drugs. However, zopiclone may have an even greater addictive potential than benzodiazepines and has been described as a "benzodiazepine in disguise".[27][28][29] Tolerance to the effects of zopiclone can develop after a few weeks. Long term use should be avoided in most cases. Patients with severe insomnia resulting from anxiety can be successfully treated for months. Abrupt withdrawal particularly with prolonged and high doses can in severe cases cause seizures and delirium.[30][31]

Publications in the British Medical Journal do not give any evidence to the claim that zopiclone has a low dependence potential. In fact, physical dependence and recreational abuse and withdrawal syndromes similar to those seen inbenzodiazepine withdrawal are frequently encountered. Withdrawal symptoms included anxietytachycardiatremor, sweats, flushes, palpitationsderealisation, and further insomnia.[32] Suspected withdrawal convulsions during detoxification from zopiclone has been reported, however the individual was a high dose zopiclone misuser.[33]

The risk of dependency on zopiclone when used for less than 2 weeks or only used occasionally is low.[34] However, this is disputed by one study of low dose zopiclone taken for only 7 nights. It found that discontinuation of zopiclone caused significant rebound insomnia. Furthermore when midazolam taken for 7 nights was discontinued no rebound insomnia occurred suggesting that zopiclone may have even more significant problems of tolerance and dependence than thebenzodiazepines.[35] After 3 weeks of use mild to moderate rebound withdrawal symptoms appear upon discontinuation of zopiclone.[36] Due to the risk of tolerance and physical dependence, zopiclone is only recommended for short term (1–4 weeks max) relief of insomnia, or alternatively, long term infrequent use.[37] Long-term zopiclone users who have become physically dependent should not discontinue their medication abruptly as severe withdrawal symptoms may occur such asdelirium.[38] If zopiclone has been taken for more than a few weeks then the medication should be gradually reduced or preferably to cross over to an equivalent dose of diazepam (Valium), which has a much longer half-life, which makes withdrawal easier and then gradually taper their dosage over a period of several months in order to avoid extremely severe and unpleasant withdrawal symptoms (e.g., inner restlessness, psychomotor agitationabdominal pain, hypertension, hallucinations, seizures, anxiety, depression, psychosis, etc.), which can last up to two years after withdrawal if the withdrawal is done too abruptly.[39][40][41] After 4 weeks of nightly use of zopiclone day time withdrawal related anxiety begin to emerge in some users. However, the daytime withdrawal anxiety does not appear to be as intense as that seen with the much shorter-acting triazolam, which provokes even more profound daytime withdrawal anxiety symptoms in long-term users.[42]

According to the World Health Organisation, zopiclone, although molecularly not a benzodiazepine, binds unselectively with high affinity to the same benzodiazepine sites that the benzodiazepine class of drugs do. The World Health Organisation also stated that zopiclone is cross tolerant with benzodiazepines and one can substitute one for the other. In the review of zopiclone by the World Health Organisation they found that the appearance of withdrawal symptoms usually occurred either when the drug was misused in excessive doses or when use of zopiclone was prolonged. The withdrawal symptoms from zopiclone reported included anxietytachycardiatremorsweating, rebound insomniaderealisationconvulsions,palpitations and flushes.[43]

Zopiclone is cross tolerant with benzodiazepines.[44] Alcohol has cross tolerance with GABAA receptor positive modulators such as the benzodiazepines and the nonbenzodiazepine drugs. For this reason alcoholics or recovering alcoholics may be at increased risk of physical dependency on zopiclone. Also, alcoholics and drug abusers may be at increased risk of abusing and or becoming psychologically dependent on zopiclone. Zopiclone should be avoided in those with a history ofalcoholismdrug misuse (illicit or prescription misuse), or in those with history of physical dependency or psychological dependency on sedative-hypnotic drugs.

Withdrawing from Zopiclone sleeping tablets has been recommended to be done via a cross over to an equivalent dose of diazepam. This is because diazepam is available in low potency tablets, is cross-tolerant with zopiclone and is longer acting than zopiclone, which allows for a smoother withdrawal and for the body to adjust to a constant dose.[45][46][47] While zopiclone acts on the same benzodiazepine receptors as the benzodiazepine family of drugs it is not classed as abenzodiazepine (with which it shares a number of characteristics and effects) due to its differing molecular structure. Zopiclone is classed as a cyclopyrrolone derivative.[48]

 

 

much mote at the link... love wiki

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Oh I know, the marketing person who came up with the "unmasking" concept probably won an award. That way if taking a psychiatric drug causes psychiatric side effects, they aren't side effects, you just "unmasked" something that was hiding waiting to be revealed! There is absolutely zero zero zero scientific evidence or validity to this concept, it's just a convenient way for psychiatrists to stay in denial about what their drugs do to people, which in spite of themselves some of them can't help noticing from time to time.

 

Complete bs.

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Oh I know, the marketing person who came up with the "unmasking" concept probably won an award. That way if taking a psychiatric drug causes psychiatric side effects, they aren't side effects, you just "unmasked" something that was hiding waiting to be revealed! There is absolutely zero zero zero scientific evidence or validity to this concept, it's just a convenient way for psychiatrists to stay in denial about what their drugs do to people, which in spite of themselves some of them can't help noticing from time to time.

 

Complete bs.

I completely agree and I wonder how much of her further treatment is because of the side effects and perhaps tolerance to this drug she has been on it for years I would guess 4 years more or less. I am trying to brace myself for the worst in this case but as most tragedy in a  life one can only prepare so much and the rest just falls on a person like a load of rocks.  She is beyond hearing any more from me on the subject and since I do not want to further alienate myself from her or her from me I am keeping my mouth shut and trying to be supportive in her life ... choices whatever they may be for now. 

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Oh I know, the marketing person who came up with the "unmasking" concept probably won an award. That way if taking a psychiatric drug causes psychiatric side effects, they aren't side effects, you just "unmasked" something that was hiding waiting to be revealed! There is absolutely zero zero zero scientific evidence or validity to this concept, it's just a convenient way for psychiatrists to stay in denial about what their drugs do to people, which in spite of themselves some of them can't help noticing from time to time.

 

Complete bs.

Rhi, interestingly, when I told my former optometrist that my mother developed glaucoma as the result of a cataract operation. she said that it had unmasked the condition.   I felt like that was a bunch of BS and wondered how often non psychiatrists do this.

 

It really is amazing the BS that medicine spouts as evidenced based.  Really scary.

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The only thing zopiclone and other drugs unmask is the corrupt nature of drug companies. 

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Rhi, interestingly, when I told my former optometrist that my mother developed glaucoma as the result of a cataract operation. she said that it had unmasked the condition.   I felt like that was a bunch of BS and wondered how often non psychiatrists do this.

 

It really is amazing the BS that medicine spouts as evidenced based.  Really scary.

 

 

Wow.  That is really frightening.  I thought the unmasking idea was limited to psychiatry. 

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Rhi, interestingly, when I told my former optometrist that my mother developed glaucoma as the result of a cataract operation. she said that it had unmasked the condition.   I felt like that was a bunch of BS and wondered how often non psychiatrists do this.

 

It really is amazing the BS that medicine spouts as evidenced based.  Really scary.

 

 

Wow.  That is really frightening.  I thought the unmasking idea was limited to psychiatry. 

 

I guess once those in the industry see a catch phrase works well they try to push it as far as it will go you know to keep the malpractice insurance payments down.  It does seem that once a fraud gets wings it will fly anyplace and they will try to push it to new avenues.  Like off label prescribing once they realized the antidepressants were so amazingly addictive and caused so many other issues they could sell pills to treat  they searched for many more uses for them like treating all the things that are withdrawal symptoms... 

Case in point if coming off an antidepressants causes:

Pain - market it for to treat pain

Sweating and hot flashes - market it as a menopause and hormonal cancer treatment drug.

PMS - market it to treat PMS

IBS - market it for IBS

Migraine - market it for Migraine

 

I could go here all day but I think you see how it goes. Around and around where it stops nobody knows.  

 

Once they see the money to be made the personal success to be had from bilking people into this trap well there is no stopping them and yes it is an us and them sort of thing I really believe it is. 

I would like to see the stats on the "people" who never have taken antidepressants.  Those are the ones who know and always knew.  Hence likely the ones making a killing off these drugs.  I wonder where one would find those stats or if they even exist any place.  

 

I think there was one country where these drugs are outlawed... 

see what my google search turned up

Banned Drugs in Dubai and Abu Dhabi

Don't even think about getting involved with narcotics. Penalties are severe, and with any proof in your bloodstream, even before you were in the UAE constitutes an offence of trafficking. There is zero tolerance for drugs – and before you know it you’ll be in jail for 4 years.

Not all drugs are accepted in the UAE, and some only with prescription, although some are administered in UAE hospitals. There is a comprehensive list on grapeshisha.com, but drugs that are banned include: codeine, amphetamines, methadone, robitussin, valium, xanax, Actifed compound linctus, tamiflu, reductil, Ritalin. This is obviously a very small list, and so it is worth checking with your local UAE Embassy.  If you don’t need it, don’t bring it to the UAE, even in transit. If you have to bring it, make sure you bring a prescription and letter from your doctor. If you do get ill, you can very readily get drugs in the pharmacy. Essentially drugs that may be over the counter in your home country could be banned in the UAE. This could include many common cold and cough remedies. Various sleeping tablets, painkillers, anti-depressants and hormone replacement therapy drugs are banned in the UAE, as well as sex stimulants such as Viagra for example.   Other things that are banned include poppy seeds, which you could quite easily eat on a bread roll in another country, and qat leaf, used as a stimulant for chewing, especially in Yemen.

more here

http://www.grapeshisha.com/plan-your-trip/banned-drugs-in-dubai-and-abu-dhabi.html

 

Maybe I have found my island now how do I get enough money to get and live there. lol ha...not likely

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I'd like to see a complete ban on "off label" prescribing.  It might as well be a legal way to run experiments on unsuspecting victims, I mean "patients". 

 

And I see you've found that island...I have to say, I'm surprised it even exists.  Though I think I'll skip on visiting it, not quite what I had in mind either.  :P

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I'd like to see a complete ban on "off label" prescribing.  It might as well be a legal way to run experiments on unsuspecting victims, I mean "patients". 

 

And I see you've found that island...I have to say, I'm surprised it even exists.  Though I think I'll skip on visiting it, not quite what I had in mind either.  :P

Apparently the island does not really exist as doctors there can and do give out these drugs.  You just can't bring in a large supply of you own maybe. 

I found this site yesterday... could be my geography is messed up to the only subject I almost failed... well closest I came to ever failing was having to write an exam I almost had to write geography...

found this site yesterday

http://www.expatforum.com/expats/sandpit/145385-marriages-destroyed-snris-ssris-anti-depressant-pills.html

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Apparently the island does not really exist as doctors there can and do give out these drugs.  You just can't bring in a large supply of you own maybe. 

 

Well, if this were an exam I'd have failed too... I did actually read what you posted but somehow didn't take it all in. 

 

That post on the site you mentioned is frightening.  Particularly because it's become such old news now.   It's amazing how commonplace that effect is and yet how doctors can act like they have NO IDEA it's happening...

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Apparently the island does not really exist as doctors there can and do give out these drugs.  You just can't bring in a large supply of you own maybe. 

 

Well, if this were an exam I'd have failed too... I did actually read what you posted but somehow didn't take it all in. 

 

That post on the site you mentioned is frightening.  Particularly because it's become such old news now.   It's amazing how commonplace that effect is and yet how doctors can act like they have NO IDEA it's happening...

 

I guess if they are trained to think these people are crazy and you have to disregard much of what they say then they could well not see it.  Makes one long for the old days where Freud first said all the kids he claimed were  sexual abused to start with was changed to they  were all hysterical... due to who was paying the bill..being that abusers were paying and would not pay to hear that....

 my reasoning is this ... 

if we paid them with money from out own pocket and would not pay if we did not like the results just like we do not pay if we take a broken car to fixed unless we are convinced the car is fixed to our satisfaction.  

if doctors were paid based on results some I am sure would starve to death or have to find other work. 

Cut out the insurance companies and put them back to basics might be a start... all this is third person ... drugs makers never see the hell we go thru and due to the blinders they have on neither do some doctors... 

Only those of us in it can see and our internet buddies we never lay eyes on it is all bit creepy if you think about it some and all once removed... very odd life compared to even 50 years ago.  It is likely much easier to be careless about drug approvals if you never see the people the drugs hurt. 

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I was told that drugs were 'unmasking' my 'bi-polar' and that I was actively suicidal on

seroxat because I was feeling better and capable of doing what I'd been planning!!!!

I and everyone else believed it at the time. For me it was a relief to know that I was not

responsible for how I was feeling and that I was ill. All I had to do was pop those pills and

everything will get better. 

I want to throw up now thinking about it all. My family all thought I was losing it when I

started to tell them about big pharma and how psych drugs were MAKING people ill.

Even wanted to have me admitted to hospital by force because I got upset when they

wouldn't believe my "conspiracy theories"! They never saw me that angry for many years,

I was feeling again after years of being 'brain dead' .

Nice and compliant, the way everyone likes 'mentally ill' people to be. Grrrrrrrrr  :angry:

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I was told that drugs were 'unmasking' my 'bi-polar' and that I was actively suicidal on

seroxat because I was feeling better and capable of doing what I'd been planning!!!!

I and everyone else believed it at the time. For me it was a relief to know that I was not

responsible for how I was feeling and that I was ill. All I had to do was pop those pills and

everything will get better. 

I want to throw up now thinking about it all. My family all thought I was losing it when I

started to tell them about big pharma and how psych drugs were MAKING people ill.

Even wanted to have me admitted to hospital by force because I got upset when they

wouldn't believe my "conspiracy theories"! They never saw me that angry for many years,

I was feeling again after years of being 'brain dead' .

Nice and compliant, the way everyone likes 'mentally ill' people to be. Grrrrrrrrr  :angry:

I got suicidal after two wks of prozac Mamma and nobody had the decency to tell me it was a drug reaction... I kept on wrongly thinking for 18 years that this was an innate illness I had all on my own... and that the pills I now know as prozac although it was the fluxatine on the label was still just a better pill to treat the pain in my leg...

I did not stop taking the prozac because it made me crazy I was just too messed up to think of my leg and did not take it for a long time.  I would occassioanlly take one when my leg pain was bad... not too often as I still had the bottle 18 years later when I seen the name of the drug on pp...yep I still had it I am a pack rat.  

I knew the f name of prozac but never knew it was prozac I was taking all those years ago till I see the name... and a light went on ... I had a severe adverse reaction.  It was obvious! 

I had kept taking the drugs all those years in fear of having the craziness return when all along it was the drug that caused the craziness!!! 

The implications of 18 years all that time and all for bullsh*t made me so angry it gave me the determination to stay on my cold turkey path for better or worse I had been in cold turkey withdrawal for 8 months before I found pp so it was some time after that. 

Sad as can be that these things are happening bit of truth here bit there just too way too long to get to me.

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I guess if they are trained to think these people are crazy and you have to disregard much of what they say then they could well not see it.  Makes one long for the old days where Freud first said all the kids he claimed were  sexual abused to start with was changed to they  were all hysterical... due to who was paying the bill..being that abusers were paying and would not pay to hear that....

 my reasoning is this ... 

if we paid them with money from out own pocket and would not pay if we did not like the results just like we do not pay if we take a broken car to fixed unless we are convinced the car is fixed to our satisfaction.  

if doctors were paid based on results some I am sure would starve to death or have to find other work. 

Cut out the insurance companies and put them back to basics might be a start... all this is third person ... drugs makers never see the hell we go thru and due to the blinders they have on neither do some doctors... 

Only those of us in it can see and our internet buddies we never lay eyes on it is all bit creepy if you think about it some and all once removed... very odd life compared to even 50 years ago.  It is likely much easier to be careless about drug approvals if you never see the people the drugs hurt. 

 

 

 

I agree a hundred percent re paying based on results.  And the drug makers do need to realize what they do to people; however, I am sure they do hear from some of the people they harmed, particularly the families of people who have died.  I don't doubt at all that they are aware that they cause severe harm to some.  Though they surely won't acknowledge how far reaching the effects of drugs must be.  Think about things like car accidents or road rage, I am sure there are instances where drugs could be to blame but no one really realizes this is the case...Not to mention all the people who are being harmed by them who don't realize it and maybe never will. 

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Even wanted to have me admitted to hospital by force because I got upset when they

wouldn't believe my "conspiracy theories"!

 

It reads like a horror movie doesn't it?  I wonder how many people have been admitted for similar "theories"? 

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Even wanted to have me admitted to hospital by force because I got upset when they

wouldn't believe my "conspiracy theories"!

 

It reads like a horror movie doesn't it?  I wonder how many people have been admitted for similar "theories"? 

 

I wonder this too.  

And more how many of us even knowing the truth would be naive enough to say it if we got in trouble and ended up in a psych ward I don't think I would tell what I know but I would refuse drugs if I could and any other treatment they had up their sleeves I have zero trust at this point.  This is fear and respect both fear because they don't know what the drugs they give would do to me as my system has changed and they did not know what their drugs would do to me the first time they gave them to me.. respect because I have learned the hard way the power of these drugs I respect that power as well as fear it.  

I would not give this cause a face I would do whatever I had to do to get out of there period short of treatment... if that means bowing down and kissing an ass her and there so be it.  Now one has to ask is this health care or is this something else ...what would you call it?  I have no idea more like torture but not health and nothing to do with caring in any of this.  Control maybe torture maybe scared the **** out of me the thought of it.  

I also wonder how the facelessness and the fear of giving this truth a face because of retaliation or other reasons....how does this facelessness help to allow this all to continue?  There are a few faces a few mass murders and a suicides or single murders but there are many other things that need a face in all this and as I write this I think of those in Whitakers book who once they got off the drugs escaped psychiatry and avoided it for the rest of their lives content to survive and be free... if we all do that and I think most of us would be glad to do it... what does that leave for those coming after us.  I think this facelessness is a problem I think it is there in part out of fear and suffering and that respect for the power of the drug and those who can force it on us. I think it is a problem but I am not prepared to put my face on it.  

Doubt many would if they new the power of pharma.  Now I need a reality check is this normal thinking or am I gone nutty?

It is a faceless crime done by faceless people like living in drone land with a bunch of other drones but this affects and ruin real lives not drones.

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