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Yesterday, I went online to the outpatient surgery center to register and listed all the supplements I was taking.   All of a sudden, I realized that maybe I was taking way too many and perhaps I should do a reset.    I feel this happened because I was so tired from not getting quality sleep and was desperate for relief.

 

Anyway, I think I am going to try taking as little as possible today since it is a Sunday to see what happens.

 

Anyone else had similar experiences?

 

CS

 

 

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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I think that is possible.....are you having surgery?

 

Too much magnesium can upset the stomach.  Maybe the way to cut down on supplements is to slowly decrease them....like everything else.

 

 

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I am having a septoplasty and turbinate reduction on 3/6.   The goal is to improve my pap therapy tolerance which to date, has been non existent.

 

They said I need to be off vitamin E, herbs, and  Fish Oil 3 weeks before the surgery date.    But didn't say anything about cutting out anything else.   However, if anyone suggests that I do, of course, I will.  That is a non negotiable issue. :)

 

Well, I lied about cutting them out as I took everything.

 

By the way, I did try a vitamin that had alot of the supplements I was taking and would have been alot cheaper.   But it caused sinus congestion and was very intolerable.

 

CS

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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Yes those supps have blood thinning effects which is why, at least one reason, why they are contraindicated before a surgery. Vitamin K has effects on blood coagulation if you are taking that. I'd cut anything else which can make your blood too viscous or thin well in advance of your procedure, 3 weeks is good.

"Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me.

Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there
Everybody's got to move somewhere
Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now."

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Hmm, they didn't say anything about K.   I guess I should ask if that is a problem.  Maybe it depends on the type of surgery you are having?

 

Thanks Alex.

 

CS

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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quick search says vitamin K can be helpful, so I wouldn't be too concerned about it, despite my early warning...

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-m-blitz/surgery-vitamins_b_1159251.html

"Well my ship's been split to splinters and it's sinking fast
I'm drowning in the poison, got no future, got no past
But my heart is not weary, it's light and it's free
I've got nothing but affection for all those who sailed with me.

Everybody's moving, if they ain't already there
Everybody's got to move somewhere
Stick with me baby, stick with me anyhow
Things should start to get interesting right about now."

- Zimmerman

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Thanks Alex, I feel reassured.

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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Vitamin K is the "antidote" for prescription blood thinners. CS, don't know the relevance, but I have been doing some vegetable juicing and liver (2 cups max of juice) and it has helped me a lot. I think there are things in "real food" that you can't get in a capsule. But I still take vit D, fish oil, magnesium, and probiotics. I just hope this surgery has a huge impact!

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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I sure hope the surgery has a huge impact Meimeiquest.  I have watching videos of so many people who said it greatly improved their breathing.  That is what I think about every day.

 

I mean, even a dental appliance, which sleep doctors have suggested, doesn't work very well without good nasal potency according a sleep medicine dentist on an apnea board.   By the way, I think if all medical professionals operated like him, things would be so much better.

 

I am glad juicing is working for you.   I think because you more readily aborb the nutrients, it is having an effect.

 

Perhaps I need to start doing it again since I am concerned about taking a multi even with 30 IUs of E.  Suirgery Coordinator said that was fine but I just want to give myself every advantage possible.

 

It is really going to be tough when I have to give up fish oil and unfortunately, all the substitutes seems to have the same blood thinning effect.  

 

CS

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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Vitamin K is the "antidote" for prescription blood thinners. CS, don't know the relevance, but I have been doing some vegetable juicing and liver (2 cups max of juice) and it has helped me a lot. I think there are things in "real food" that you can't get in a capsule. But I still take vit D, fish oil, magnesium, and probiotics. I just hope this surgery has a huge impact!

Hi Meimeiquest,

 

Did you use a liver supplement?  If so, can you tell me which one you used.   I started juicing but am really going to ramp it up as I just watched the Terry Walhs talk and she suggests quite a few of them for optimal health.

 

Thanks!

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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I use grass-fed calf liver, marinated in lemon juice, pan fried in coconut oil with onion and drowned in mustard...and still gagging. If you look on the methylation thread, Alto has a chicken liver recipe and Zoe lists a supplement. Good luck!

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Thanks, I will take a looks.  Unfortunately, my ability to cook is limited due to kitchen issues which I hope to resolve after my surgery.

 

CS

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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My ability to buy supplements is limited, but liver comes out of the grocery budget :).

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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I hear you Meimeiquest.    Well, after reading on another forum that NOW Products made grass fed liver powder, I purchased it from Amazon since it was about the cheapest.  Can hardly wait to get it so I can see if it makes a difference.

 

Speaking of supplements, I was going to stop taking them a week before my surgery.   But I may stop sooner, particularly if I feel the Walhs diet is doing the job.

 

CS

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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Hello,

 

I think I've reached a point where it's safe to say that I may be taking too many supplements. I will list them below this brief description but the issue is, I don't know which ones to keep and which to stop taking. I feel as if I need all of them and perhaps, in terms of wishful thinking, feel as if they're helping.

Currently I'm taking:

Magnesium

Taurine

Vitamin C, A, E, D, and B12

Fish oil

Multi-Vitamin (in case I miss anything)

 

I know the above seems a bit absurd but the B12 is because I'm vegan, the A is for eye protection (I really need my eyesight if I get back to work)

 

Any suggestions?

 

 

Current Meds:

Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg.

Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper

Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves')

 

Past Meds:

Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years.

Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma.

Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both.

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Anyone?

Current Meds:

Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg.

Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper

Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves')

 

Past Meds:

Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years.

Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma.

Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both.

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I am no expert, but I wouldn't take a multivitamin. Some things in some aren't good for all types of people. You can get blood tests for Vit D and B12. Some people really need them, and they are too activating for others.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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Alizarin,

 

I am trying to take supplements based on what my body seems to want.   For example, today, I have taken a multivitamin, extra 1000IU of D, and a very small amount of magnesium.   That is probably all I will take for today.

 

It takes practice to really figure this out but you might want to give this a shot.  If you're dragging big time and your mutlivitamin is activating, you might start with a small dose.   If it is sedating, wait until you feel you need something to calm you down.    I like starting with the multi because that covers everything.

 

By the way, my multivitamin doesn't have as much stuff as most of them do.   So Meime makes some good points about that.    But if yours is more like mine, then I think my advise is applicable.

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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I always run on the low end of 'within range' with the VitD, so I know I have to take one. Also, I'm vegan so I need the B12, as mentioned above. I know I have to eliminate some of these, as it's too much. I also realized I could benefit from Probiotics... very unsure about how to manage sups.

Current Meds:

Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg.

Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper

Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves')

 

Past Meds:

Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years.

Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma.

Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both.

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Alizarin,

 

I am trying to take supplements based on what my body seems to want.   For example, today, I have taken a multivitamin, extra 1000IU of D, and a very small amount of magnesium.   That is probably all I will take for today.

 

It takes practice to really figure this out but you might want to give this a shot.  If you're dragging big time and your mutlivitamin is activating, you might start with a small dose.   If it is sedating, wait until you feel you need something to calm you down.    I like starting with the multi because that covers everything.

 

By the way, my multivitamin doesn't have as much stuff as most of them do.   So Meime makes some good points about that.    But if yours is more like mine, then I think my advise is applicable.

I just realized, after NOT taking the magnesium last night, that I'm less tired. But then I need it to help me relax. I've also found it to be extremely dehydrating.

 

Before the AD mess I'm in, I would just take a multi and a Vit D. That was all my body needed. Now these drugs in my system cause constipation (hello, Remeron), depression (that means you, Klonopin), fatigue, major cog fog, and the list goes on, ad nauseam.

My multi has vitamins and chelated minerals. It's pretty strong.

 

I guess the conundrum is that my body needs something to wake it throughout the day since I hardly sleep, but I don't want the activation to interfere with sleep at night.

Current Meds:

Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg.

Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper

Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves')

 

Past Meds:

Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years.

Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma.

Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both.

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This is highly controversial, and I am not saying this, but some professionals feel people on vegan diets are much more susceptible to mental health issues (please don't shoot the messenger, you can just research it if you have concerns).

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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I've heard that before and that's fine.

I'm vegan for strictly moral, ethical, and environmental reasons. It's a choice I made years ago. Also, ironically, I never had depression or anxiety prior to ADs and benzos.

 

Also, I was just discussing supplements, not vegan diets, with this topic. Are you trying to get some sort of response from me? This isn't the first time you respond with 'research' on my topics. So I just find it coincidental.

Current Meds:

Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg.

Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper

Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves')

 

Past Meds:

Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years.

Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma.

Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both.

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You have been pleading and pleading for help and ideas. I promise to never bother you again.

1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms.

Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12

Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13

Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15

11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble)

9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol

7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol

56 years old

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I simply don't understand why you'd bring up a correlation between veganism and depression on a topic about supplements. I apologize if I offended you but I just don't see how it was necessary.

Current Meds:

Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg.

Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper

Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves')

 

Past Meds:

Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years.

Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma.

Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both.

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So I'd like to get back on topic, if possible. Is there anyone out there taking probiotics and if so, is it beneficial?

If anyone else has any recommendations as to what supplements to either eliminate or incorporate into my daily routine, I'd appreciate the suggestions.

Current Meds:

Klonopin 1.9 mg (anxiety /insomnia) 10 years, began taper then stopped. Currently forced to drop to 1.5 mg.

Remeron 7.5 mg (insomnia, nausea, GI issues) stopped taper

Propylthiouracil 25 mg (for Graves')

 

Past Meds:

Lexapro 10 mg, CT 1.5 years ago without researching. Taken for 9 years.

Trazadone 300 mg (insomnia), lowered BP, suffered vasovagal syncope, a fall required surgery for dental trauma.

Propranolol, 10 mg, during hospitalization for hyperthyroidism, 3.5 weeks, then switched to Cartia for 3 weeks. Dr C/T both.

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"I think I've reached a point where it's safe to say that I may be taking too many supplements. I will list them below this brief description but the issue is, I don't know which ones to keep and which to stop taking. I feel as if I need all of them and perhaps, in terms of wishful thinking, feel as if they're helping.

Currently I'm taking:

Magnesium

Taurine

Vitamin C, A, E, D, and B12

Fish oil

Multi-Vitamin (in case I miss anything)"

 

It sounds like you are doing a great job with the supplements you take. I don't think you are taking too much. I take all of those plus niacin, B6, CoQ10, L-Theanine, Lactium (for sleep) and others. I take way too much! But I am desperate to heal this mind and body.

 

I am wondering what might help you sleep though. Insomnia is a huge issue for me as well.  I have been experimenting with supplements but would hesitate to advise at this point.

 

I'm looking forward to the day when I just take a multi and I'm off!

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If your nervous system is sensitized by withdrawal, supplements can sometimes cause paradoxical effects. B group vitamins can be activating, some people can't tolerate D and even fish oil. What this means is they might increase anxiety, restlessness and cause insomnia or reduce sleep quality, or numerous other symptoms.

 

When I started taking B6 I had trouble getting to sleep and when I did, my dreams were very intense, which was unpleasant. Before withdrawal I had no problems with any supplements.

 

Some people become so sensitive they do better with no supplements at all. If you are taking a lot of supplements and have ongoing symptoms, reducing or stopping supplements, one at a time might help. As you recover, you may be able to add them back in.

 

Many people find  fish oil and magnesium helpful, see King of Supplements: Omega 3 Fatty Acids (Fish Oil) and Magnesium, Nature's Calcium Channel Blocker

I'm not a doctor.  My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one.

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Full Drug and Withdrawal History

Brief Summary

Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects

2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010

Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal

DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms

Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal)

May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins.

Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes

Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine

Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D

June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens.

Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered

Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days.

April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close.

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*****If you are having withdrawal symptoms, please wait until you are stable before trying any supplements. These supplements are for healing and wellness, not withdrawal*****

 

I wanted to mention that [trazodone, Prozac] and Elavil is a drug mugger of Selenium (along with all other tricyclic and SSRI's.)

 

I get this out of the book "Drug Muggers" by Suzy Cohen. 

 

Selenium is a super important antioxidant that makes autoimmune thyroid disorders worsen if you are depleted. 

 

It is a supplement that you can end up taking too much of. You can get too much because it will spark the production of too much thyroid hormone. The "drug mugger dose is 100-200 mcg 1-3 times daily" this is a high dose that should only last for a period of time.  

 

Getting a SpectraCell or NutrEval test will show you selenium levels. Even if you don't start supplementing, at least you could have documentation of a deficiency. 

 

Here is a link for more information on testing. 

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/12812-vitamin-and-mineral-assays-testing-for-nutrition/

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I was on Seroquel from 2008-2016 because Seroquel doesn't cause akathisia (in my case) and all other drugs do.   

 

I am tapering slowly off Seroquel- got down to 393.75mg, Fall 2016 ... 3% taper still couldn't keep me from hospital. 

 

Hospital stay switched me to 300 clozapine/clozaril.

 

Summer 2017: slowly cut and weighed clozapine/clozaril from 300mg to 275mg over 3 months. 

 
 

 

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You could get a simple blood test of selenium, which is more likely to be reimbursed by insurance, rather than the very expensive SpectraCell or NutriEval tests.

 

In some parts of the US and other countries, you get enough selenium from food (it's in the soil). Agree that you do not need to supplement unless you are sure you are low in selenium.

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It is a supplement that you can end up taking too much of. You can get too much because it will spark the production of too much thyroid hormone. The "drug mugger dose is 100-200 mcg 1-3 times daily" this is a high dose that should only last for a period of time. 

 

Just wanted to say I tried upping my selenium dose (taking 400mcg/day, along with some brazil nuts).  Have had more energy, much less depression.

 

Of course anything too good to believe probably isn't.  Am I whacking my thyroid into ultra-high gear?  I did have a SpectraCell test showing I had good selenium status.

 

Anyone else with a history of supplementing selenium?  Any potential interactions to consider?

On and off various medicines since 1989

2009:  Prescribed Lexapro 5mg and Abilify 5mg
2015:  discovered MTHFR snp, went on Walsh protocol, felt better

2016:  down to 2.5mg each of Lexapro and Abilify

2017:  down to .7mg of Abilify, obtained liquid form.

Currently at .4mg of Abilify

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Please consult Dr. Google about taking selenium supplements, the dangers of too much selenium, and potential adverse effects on your thyroid.

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