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Becoming a vegetarian has helped me immensely, within a month I stopped getting acid reflux and a had massive improvement on my bowel movements. 

 

When I reinstated I felt my guts and bowls go mental straight away.  I'm sure now that the reason I was constipated and taking acid reflux pills everyday for all those years was because of medication and meat. 

 

As for omega 3 supplements there's been a few studies out lately that say they don't do much, I'd have to back myself up on that but I don't think they have done much for me anyway. I was taking the recommended dose and supplement provided on this forum for about 6 months. 

 

10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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16 minutes ago, SouthernFreeze said:

As for omega 3 supplements there's been a few studies out lately that say they don't do much, I'd have to back myself up on that but I don't think they have done much for me anyway. I was taking the recommended dose and supplement provided on this forum for about 6 months. 

 

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Current from 27 Mar 2021:  Pristiq 0.295 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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3 hours ago, ChessieCat said:

Thanks, I had read that thread years ago but it's probably been updated. 

 

Anyway it turns out it was heart health that they were saying omega 3 supplements werent working for. 

 

I'd definitely like to look at some Omega-3 vege alternatives for environmental reasons. 

10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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On 8/31/2019 at 9:45 PM, SouthernFreeze said:

the reason I was constipated

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On 8/31/2019 at 9:45 PM, SouthernFreeze said:

was because of medication and meat. 

 

Red meat:

  • Is high in fat, so it takes longer for the digestive tract to process it
  • Has tough protein fibers that can be difficult for the stomach to digest
  • Is rich in iron, which can be constipating

Of the flip slide - the high protein may be helpful in activating neurotransmitter receptors...?

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3 hours ago, Guilietta said:

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Red meat:

  • Is high in fat, so it takes longer for the digestive tract to process it
  • Has tough protein fibers that can be difficult for the stomach to digest
  • Is rich in iron, which can be constipating

Of the flip slide - the high protein may be helpful in activating neurotransmitter receptors...?

Not sure, I do get plenty of protein from bean and nuts and things like that though 

10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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56 minutes ago, SouthernFreeze said:

Not sure, I do get plenty of protein from bean and nuts and things like that though 

 

I try to get about 60-70 g of protein a day. Even though I don't eaat red meat that often here are some comparisons between red meat and other sources:

 

3 oz hamburger patty (90% lean) - 23 g protein

1/2 c chick peas - 6 g

3 oz light tuna fish - 23+ g

3 oz peanuts - 24 g protein (wow!)

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Is there a thread somewhere that explains what antibiotics not to take in withdrawal? Also cold medicine? It's getting colder out and I work in a school. Scared of getting sick and having to take anything only to worsen withdrawal, I've read that the cold medicine puts people in a wave, even after they've recovered for years. 

But, there's a cough suppressant that seems free of anything stimulating (delsym). Maybe there are some things considered "safe" for us in withdrawal? 

3/21/19 started Bupropion XL 150 mg

3/21/19 started Risperidone 2mg

7/7/19 start Abilify half dose 5 mg. discontinue Risperidone

7/9/19 full dose Abilify 10 mg

7/29/19 discontinued Abilify due to panicky side effects

8/2/19 Began Latuda 20 mg

8/5/19 discontinued Latuda due to similar side effects 

8/10/19 discontinued Bupropion after realizing it was causing the insomnia

From 8/10/19 no drugs whatsoever

Currently taking vitamin D, E, a probiotic and fish oil. 

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5 hours ago, Armorall said:

Is there a thread somewhere that explains what antibiotics not to take in withdrawal? Also cold medicine? It's getting colder out and I work in a school. Scared of getting sick and having to take anything only to worsen withdrawal, I've read that the cold medicine puts people in a wave, even after they've recovered for years. 

But, there's a cough suppressant that seems free of anything stimulating (delsym). Maybe there are some things considered "safe" for us in withdrawal? 

Not sure about antibiotics, but I find with a cold paracetamol and ibuprofen is about all you really need for a cold at the end if the day. I haven't had any reactions from those myself. 

10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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I've never heard of paracetamol...ah it's acetominophen. Good to know, thanks!

3/21/19 started Bupropion XL 150 mg

3/21/19 started Risperidone 2mg

7/7/19 start Abilify half dose 5 mg. discontinue Risperidone

7/9/19 full dose Abilify 10 mg

7/29/19 discontinued Abilify due to panicky side effects

8/2/19 Began Latuda 20 mg

8/5/19 discontinued Latuda due to similar side effects 

8/10/19 discontinued Bupropion after realizing it was causing the insomnia

From 8/10/19 no drugs whatsoever

Currently taking vitamin D, E, a probiotic and fish oil. 

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8 hours ago, SouthernFreeze said:
 

Is there a thread somewhere that explains what antibiotics not to take in withdrawal?

 

Cipro, Levaquin, Azithromycin (Z-Pack), and other antibiotics

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg 1986-1991 CT, soon reinstated.  CT 2000. RI 1 mg 2011-2016.  Sept. 2016  0.625mg X 3

Nov.27, 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover + change to one 18.75mg dose, w/1 month hold.

Feb. 9, 2021, begin 10% every 4 weeks taper.  Current dose as of March 22: 14.4mgai.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan. 2016 began every 3-weeks 10% taper, down to 16mgai (0.44mgpw).  Aug 2016, discovered SA, holding at 16mg.  Taper is 78% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg.


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice, but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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OK, so I suffer from breathing problems from the small amount of fluroxatine I am on (that feeling you get when you just can't get a proper deep breath) . I've been just dealing with it but recently it has really annoyed me. 

I am a Buddhist and finally made it to a retreat in the weekend. It was a two day retreat, but halfway through the first day I was basically hyperventilating because I just couldnt get a deep breath. I tried every breathing technique I could think of but after 2 hours and twenty minutes of diveded meditation I went into a panic and had to leave. A 5 hour drive for that. Is getting off this crap the only way to be able to breath properly again? Seems like it. 

10 years on various anti-depressants

5 years Effexor xr

tappered of 150mg in 6 months

nothing for two weeks

Reinstated 15 beads for 50 days

Tappered off then clean 2-3months

gradually went back up to 13 mg 3 years

bridged fluoxetine 10mg

2 week tapper

1 year clean

reinstated 5ml dispersed fluroxatine for 6months

 

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Has anyone ever tried to wear one of those weighted vests like my kids with autism has? If we have a disregulated nervous system, maybe that would help with calming the nervous system?

3/21/19 started Bupropion XL 150 mg

3/21/19 started Risperidone 2mg

7/7/19 start Abilify half dose 5 mg. discontinue Risperidone

7/9/19 full dose Abilify 10 mg

7/29/19 discontinued Abilify due to panicky side effects

8/2/19 Began Latuda 20 mg

8/5/19 discontinued Latuda due to similar side effects 

8/10/19 discontinued Bupropion after realizing it was causing the insomnia

From 8/10/19 no drugs whatsoever

Currently taking vitamin D, E, a probiotic and fish oil. 

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Is there any reason to not take bio -available vit c? My megnesium 100mg has that in it. 

Age 21 started on antidepressants, Paxil, Zoloft cant remember dozes.

Most I remember is being on Celexa 10 - 40 mg since 1996 to 2019 up and down.

Changed to Pristiq March 2019 to May 2019 lowest doze but quit scared ot it.

Went back to Celexa 20mg may 2019 to sept 2019.Tried Cipralex, 3 days,

Went off celexa 20 mg Sept 16/19 taper 1 month.

Took Ativan .5 to 1 mg on and off for years and some Clonazepam for anxiety.

Ativan in dec 2019 about 10 and in jan 2019. .05mg.

Brain zaps  Agitation, terror and dread, suicidal feelings, stomach in fear. afraid to be alone. Depression 

Now: feeling disconnected from self and inability to connect with others, anxiety, depression,.emotionally weak and helplesd, ringing in my ears.

Feb 25, 2020 reinstated 1mg celexa.

 

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Is there anything one can take for anxiety that is not an addictive medication? 

Age 21 started on antidepressants, Paxil, Zoloft cant remember dozes.

Most I remember is being on Celexa 10 - 40 mg since 1996 to 2019 up and down.

Changed to Pristiq March 2019 to May 2019 lowest doze but quit scared ot it.

Went back to Celexa 20mg may 2019 to sept 2019.Tried Cipralex, 3 days,

Went off celexa 20 mg Sept 16/19 taper 1 month.

Took Ativan .5 to 1 mg on and off for years and some Clonazepam for anxiety.

Ativan in dec 2019 about 10 and in jan 2019. .05mg.

Brain zaps  Agitation, terror and dread, suicidal feelings, stomach in fear. afraid to be alone. Depression 

Now: feeling disconnected from self and inability to connect with others, anxiety, depression,.emotionally weak and helplesd, ringing in my ears.

Feb 25, 2020 reinstated 1mg celexa.

 

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Has anyone ever heard of an oral peptide that's used for people withdrawing from benzodiazapines? It's called... DH-DB or something like it. It's supposed to help with anxiety. 

 

Also...anyone who has ever taken or tried L-tryptophan, what did it do for you? Or not?

On Prozac since 2004, 10 mg 

Began to taper, 2016, first time cold turkey

unsuccessful, so soon after tried again

kept having to go back on medication due to withdrawals

tried to do it myself as couldn't find a dr to help me

Currently on taper #4 from 2016, having changed to Lexapro and starting November 2018 from 5 mg

As of April 2020 I am at 1/5th of a mg (.2 mg)

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The peptide in question is DHH-B. It has bad interactions with Benzos and a variety of other psych drugs and as such should be avoided. There has been very little testing so it's effectiveness is in question for this purpose and it can only be taken for a short period of time. It is unsafe for someone who is pregnant or is about to have surgery.

 

Please do a site search for L-tryptophan, there is a lot of discussion about it. As with most supplements we do not recommend its use during WD.

20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013.

Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks.  The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better.

Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017

 

"It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general."  Stephen Hawking

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Hello-  prior to my WD from lexapro I was taking reseveratrol and nicotinamide riboside (Brand name is tru niagen). I also tried NMN as well. They all influence NAD levels which is critical for mitochondrial function. Anyway I stopped taking them for fear of Stimulating  my nervous system.  Has anyone used them?  I believe they may be beneficial in supporting our healing process. But again with my already high cortisol spikes I’m hesitant to try them. 

2003-2006-  Zoloft then Wellbutrin, Ritalin, concerta , Adderall.  Don’t remember dosage, tapers or timeframes. ADD treatment. I think I had some WD?  Definitely PSSD which resolved over time. 

Zoloft  100 MG April18-april 22, 2020

Buspirone 20 mg from April 18-May 18

10 mg from May 18 - May 27 2020

Lexapro 5 mg from April 22 through May 1st

10 mg from May 1 through June 1

5 mg from June 1 though june 18

2.5 mg from June 18 through June 25

1.25 mg from June 25 through July 4 2020

Ambien -  2.5 mg  April 21 and 26 2020

Trazodone 50 mg-  3 times late April and 4 days the first week in June 2020

Supplements:  Omega 3’s 1000 mg 3 X a day,  Magnesium Glycinate 400 mg (now 4 times a day), Melatonin 1 mg, Vitamin C 1000 mg, probiotics.

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4 hours ago, Fightinghard said:

reseveratrol

 

Correct spelling:  resveratrol

 

Site search results:  https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/search/?q=resveratrol&quick=1

 

4 hours ago, Fightinghard said:

nicotinamide riboside (Brand name is tru niagen). I also tried NMN as well. They all influence NAD levels which is critical for mitochondrial function.

 

Do a general internet search using these terms:

 

survivingantidepressants.org nicotinamide riboside

 

survivingantidepressants.org nicotinamide

 

survivingantidepressants.org mitochondrial

 

Sometimes you need to search site: survivingantidepressants.org

 

 

 

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Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from 27 Mar 2021:  Pristiq 0.295 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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I saw a Naturopath regarding my histamine/SIBO issue. She recommended the following supplements that work for slow motility and SIBO/SIFO. Her thoughts were that my histamine issues are probably related to that. I had already done some research and it seemed that way to me as well. Before I had my histerectomy in July I went on FODMAP diet that really helped but after surgery I developed symptoms again. My symptoms are sinus and eye issues and some constipation. I wondered if anyone here has experience with the following and whether they may be ne forgative WD. I am at the tail end: 0.32 mg of  Celexa. I've been withdrawing for 4 years.

 

Supplements: NAC;Motilyty Activator; GI-Microb-X and Glutamine powder

2006-2007 Lexapro (not sure of dose) in 2006

2007 Stopped abruptly. Developed serious wd symptom.Went back after two weeks and  tapered successfully over 3 months

November 2013  started 10 mg of Celexa for hormonal symptoms

early 2014 cutdown Celexa to 5 mg.Attempted to get off it November 2014 and had a difficult time. Went back to 5 mg and stayed until about a month ago. Had eye surgery for glaucoma (left eye-mini-shunt implant)

March-April 2016 developed multiple problems: ringing of ears, ear infections, multiple allergies. Tested negative to allergies  

Anxiety increased  every time I used  an OTC or had stress.April-May Cortisol spike problems increased.

June 9 Found this website while doing research on cortisone and celexa.

Went back between 5 and 10 mg a couple of times. Currently trying to stabilize at 7.5.   and  taking  a leave from work and comeback part-time.

Started taking liquid Celexa 6/15/2016 at 3.75 ml

Other meds: Dorzalamide/timolol for glaucoma twice a day andLatanoprost in the evening.

Vitamin D 2000 mg;vitamin C 500 mg; Lysine 1000 mg 2 x a day. Acupuncture twice a week; meditation; relaxing music daily. 150 mg of Magnesium as of 6/15.

 

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8 minutes ago, gn11 said:

Supplements: NAC;Motilyty Activator; GI-Microb-X and Glutamine powder

 

Motilyty Activator;  GI-Microb-X:  if these have multiple ingredients do a search for them.

 

Do a general internet search and and survivingantidepressants.org to the search term.  Sometimes you need to search site: survivingantidepressants.org

NEW!!!     INTERVIEW with Altostrata, SA's founder    NEW!!! 

 

Plodding along inch by inch:  12" = 1',  3' =  36 " or 1 yard,  1760 yards  = 63,360" or 1 mile

Current from 27 Mar 2021:  Pristiq 0.295 mg

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering Oct 2015 

My tapering program   My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)  My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions.

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Thanks ChessieCat! I will do so.

2006-2007 Lexapro (not sure of dose) in 2006

2007 Stopped abruptly. Developed serious wd symptom.Went back after two weeks and  tapered successfully over 3 months

November 2013  started 10 mg of Celexa for hormonal symptoms

early 2014 cutdown Celexa to 5 mg.Attempted to get off it November 2014 and had a difficult time. Went back to 5 mg and stayed until about a month ago. Had eye surgery for glaucoma (left eye-mini-shunt implant)

March-April 2016 developed multiple problems: ringing of ears, ear infections, multiple allergies. Tested negative to allergies  

Anxiety increased  every time I used  an OTC or had stress.April-May Cortisol spike problems increased.

June 9 Found this website while doing research on cortisone and celexa.

Went back between 5 and 10 mg a couple of times. Currently trying to stabilize at 7.5.   and  taking  a leave from work and comeback part-time.

Started taking liquid Celexa 6/15/2016 at 3.75 ml

Other meds: Dorzalamide/timolol for glaucoma twice a day andLatanoprost in the evening.

Vitamin D 2000 mg;vitamin C 500 mg; Lysine 1000 mg 2 x a day. Acupuncture twice a week; meditation; relaxing music daily. 150 mg of Magnesium as of 6/15.

 

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On 9/2/2015 at 4:27 PM, oskcajga said:

In "natural" depression, your nervous system is normal and it is operating your body properly. In withdrawal syndrome, your nervous system is struggling to get back to normal operation. Don't try to speed this along with anything that may be stimulating, or you may further unbalance it.

 

Not sure what you mean by "natural depression" but depression itself is a result of a brain that ix dysregulated. Our tendency to become depressed can be a result of early life trauma that leaves its imprint on the brain. That imprint becomes a prototypical response to stress. I'm attaching some papers by here by affective neuroscientist, Jaak Panksepp, who discovered this mechanism. They are technical but interesting. 

See: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/depressed-your-seeking-sy_b_3616967

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181986/

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15294145.2009.10773593

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1521/psyc.2011.74.1.5

 

1980s: First diagnosed with depression. Treated with a tricyclic. 1988: Switched to Prozac 20 mg after triclyclic stopped working. 1990s to 2010: On and off Prozac. Increased dose led to side effects. 2010: Work stress led to increased depression/anxiety. Tried several SSRIs but tolerated none of them. Put on Zyprexa. 2011: Work burnout and breakdown. Hospitalized for suicidal depression. Switched to Seroquel. Prozac increased to 80 mg. 2017: Started psychotherapy. Helped a lot. Switched to Celexa 40 mg and lithium 300 mg. 2019: Stopped Seroquel. Lost weight. 2020 June: Added Wellbutrin to try and correct sexual dysfunction. Could not tolerate Wellbutrin.

Taper (Lithium 300 mg maintained until off Celexa):

2020 July: Decreased Celexa to 30 mg in attempt to alleviate sexual dysfunction. Worked somewhat.

2020 August: Decreased Celexa to 20 mg. Sexual function improved but w/d effects started. 

2020 September: Maintaining Celexa at 20 mg. Experiencing w/d effects - fatigue, dysphoria, mood instability

2020 September 13: Increased Celexa to 30 mg due to w/d effects. Still on lithium 300 mg/day.

2020 October 3: Reduced Celexa to 27 mg. Started taper. 10% per month as recommended.

2020 October 18: Reduced to 24 mg.

2020 December 4: Reduced to 21 mg.

2020 December 23: Reduced to 20 mg (spacing out taper intervals due to persistent w/d effects)

 

 

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