Jopro Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hello All. Im 31 months out from a 60mg Prozac CT. and I have been Tapering Nitrazepam for 18 months. I finally got free of the taper 4 weeks ago when I took my last sliver . So that means im FREE but by no means out of the woods and still need people around me that understand what im going through. No one apart from fellow AD users have a clue whats happening or why I would put myself through all this suffering.So I need you all and hope I can help a little too. Need to pay it forward!! Yet another refugee from PP. Thanks to SA for having me xx xx Ct from 60mg Prozac May 2012 Taper from 2.4mg Nitrapepam for 1 and half yrs.Finally over on Nov 17th 2014 Still in a very bad place Link to comment
ladybug Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 So good to see you, Jo! This is Jmarie from PP. Congrats on ditching the Nitrazepam. We are here for you! a.k.a JMarie Paxil since Mar.1998 2006-2007:40-20mg 2009: 20mg to 14mg 2010: 14mg to 10.5mg 2011: 10.5 to 7.6mg 2012: 7.5 to 6.8mg 2013: 6.7-6.3mg 2014: 6.2mg-5.8mg 2015: 5.7 to 5.15mg 2016: 5.1-4.6mg 1/19/17: 4.5mg 3/17/17: 4.4mg 6/15/17: 4.35mg 8/10/17: 4.3mg 1/29/18: 4.1mg 5/07/18: 4.0mg 7/31/18: 3.9mg Link to comment
Jopro Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hi Jess! lovely to see you. I didn't know I needed the site so much but felt like id been stranded at sea when I couldn't access the site!! Is there a private messaging facility on SA. ? Ct from 60mg Prozac May 2012 Taper from 2.4mg Nitrapepam for 1 and half yrs.Finally over on Nov 17th 2014 Still in a very bad place Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus dalsaan Posted December 17, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hi Jopro Welcome to the site. Could I please ask you to put your med history in your signature for quick reference. Instructions are here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/893-please-put-your-withdrawal-history-in-your-signature/ We're happy to have people with your experience here to offer and receive support. Take care Dalsaan Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist. Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014. Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September. Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015. Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15). Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past. DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017 >My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus dalsaan Posted December 17, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 17, 2014 Yes there is a private message facility. Click on the persons username will open up another screen that enables pm Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist. Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014. Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September. Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015. Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15). Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past. DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017 >My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted December 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted December 17, 2014 So glad you could both make it. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
Ever Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 JoPro!! Woot Woot! Put on Prothiaden for severe depression in 1989. Recovered. Prescribed Paxil for another bout of depression around 2000. Have been trying to taper ever since but always crash about 2 months after getting to zero. Because of the crashes, for years I thought that there was something wrong with me. Then found that the crashes were simply withdrawal. Now following a maximum of a 10% reduction every month or so and ready to slow down any time I feel any symptoms whatsoever. Feeling good:). 7th Jan 15 - 3.6mg 28th Jan 15 - 3.2mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Songbird Posted December 18, 2014 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 18, 2014 Thanks to SA for having me xx xx Hi Jopro! Yes, huge thanks to SA for rescuing a whole boatload of us refugees! 2001–2002 paroxetine 2003 citalopram 2004-2008 paroxetine (various failed tapers) 2008 paroxetine slow taper down to 2016 Aug off paroxetine2016 citalopram May 20mg Oct 15mg … slow taper down2018 citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg 18 Nov 3.8mg 2019 15 Mar 3.6mg 21 May 3.4mg 26 Dec 3.2mg 2020 19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg 2021 29 Aug 2.4mg 15 Nov 2.3mg Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 oops I double posted. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
nz11 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Hi Jo glad to see you. well done on going drug free. I'm starting to feel not so pp homesick...Hugs from another pp refugee. Thought for the day: Lets stand up, and let’s speak out , together. G Olsen We have until the 14th. Feb 2018. URGENT REQUEST Please consider submitting for the petition on Prescribed Drug Dependence and Withdrawal currently awaiting its third consideration at the Scottish Parliament. You don't even have to be from Scotland. By clicking on the link below you can read some of the previous submissions but be warned many of them are quite harrowing. http://www.parliament.scot/GettingInvolved/Petitions/PE01651 Please tell them about your problems taking and withdrawing from antidepressants and/or benzos. Send by email to petitions@parliament.scot and quote PE01651 in the subject heading. Keep to a maximum of 3 sides of A4 and you can't name for legal reasons any doctor you have consulted. Tell them if you wish to remain anonymous. We need the numbers to help convince the committee members we are not isolated cases. You have until mid February. Thank you Recovering paxil addict None of the published articles shed light on what ssri's ... actually do or what their hazards might be. Healy 2013. This is so true, with anything you get on these drugs, dependance, tapering, withdrawal symptoms, side effects, just silent. And if there is something mentioned then their is a serious disconnect between what is said and reality! "Every time I read of a multi-person shooting, I always presume that person had just started a SSRI or had just stopped." Dr Mosher. Me too! Over two decades later, the number of antidepressant prescriptions a year is slightly more than the number of people in the Western world. Most (nine out of 10) prescriptions are for patients who faced difficulties on stopping, equating to about a tenth of the population. These patients are often advised to continue treatment because their difficulties indicate they need ongoing treatment, just as a person with diabetes needs insulin. Healy 2015 I believe the ssri era will soon stand as one of the most shameful in the history of medicine. Healy 2015 Let people help people ... in a natural, kind, non-addictive (and non-big pharma) way. J Broadley 2017 Link to comment
Junior Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 JoPro! Awesome to see you here. Mark (nice to see you return to your original name), I know how you feel. I felt quite naked without my PP family. Personal history of GAD and 4 melancholic depressive episodes - two treated with Amityptline Family history of Bipolar Disorder - goes back at least 3 generations Adult son with autism, ADHD, intellectual disability and Bipolar II Put on Aropax / Paxil in July 1997 for anther episode. Decision to stay on it - worst decision of my life. Began to poop out in late 2008. Switched to Lexapro March 2009. Made me suicidal. Tried Cymbalta for 19 days. Horrible w/d. Found PP and RI'd Aropax at about the same time - August 2009. Began slow taper in 2010. Crashed in 13-11mg range in mid 2013. Switched to Citalopram 21 Oct 2013 in an attempt to stabilise. There are things that are known, and things that are unknown; in between are doors - Anonymous https://itunes.apple.com/au/book/longing-for-life/id958423649 My book about my unsuccessful journey through IVF Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Hello All. Im 31 months out from a 60mg Prozac CT. and I have been Tapering Nitrazepam for 18 months. I finally got free of the taper 4 weeks ago when I took my last sliver . So that means im FREE but by no means out of the woods and still need people around me that understand what im going through. No one apart from fellow AD users have a clue whats happening or why I would put myself through all this suffering.So I need you all and hope I can help a little too. Need to pay it forward!! Yet another refugee from PP. Thanks to SA for having me xx xx Welcome 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Jopro Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 I dropped my benzo completely nearly 5 weeks ago. Normally I stableise after 3/4 weeks. This time its getting worse and worse. I dropped at a very safe 00.4mg. Is this normal. ??? I feel like im going back into acute. Any advice at all would be hugely appreciated. Thanks x Ct from 60mg Prozac May 2012 Taper from 2.4mg Nitrapepam for 1 and half yrs.Finally over on Nov 17th 2014 Still in a very bad place Link to comment
ladybug Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Could you maybe put in your signature how long you were on both drugs? If I recall correctly, you were on the benzo for sleep for almost 20 years right? Benzos are notorious for their nasty withdrawal and it's quite possible you are also still feeling some effects from your Prozac CT 2.5 years ago. With these two facts in mind I think what you are experiencing now is probably normal. Your brain is non-medicated for the first time in a very long time and it's going to take some adjustment, but things will eventually begin to improve if you hang in there. I don't know if you noticed but there is a benzo specific sub forum here so you might be able to find some additional advice and people who are dealing with similar issues to you there. I'm so sorry you are suffering so much, but I'm so proud of you for getting to zero. I seriously marvel at your strength and determination. I know you are going to get through this, Jo. When I was at my lowest I used to practice my success story in my head. I would just think of what I was going to write, even if it hadn't happened yet. I repeated it to myself over and over as if it was fact. It helped a bit I think. a.k.a JMarie Paxil since Mar.1998 2006-2007:40-20mg 2009: 20mg to 14mg 2010: 14mg to 10.5mg 2011: 10.5 to 7.6mg 2012: 7.5 to 6.8mg 2013: 6.7-6.3mg 2014: 6.2mg-5.8mg 2015: 5.7 to 5.15mg 2016: 5.1-4.6mg 1/19/17: 4.5mg 3/17/17: 4.4mg 6/15/17: 4.35mg 8/10/17: 4.3mg 1/29/18: 4.1mg 5/07/18: 4.0mg 7/31/18: 3.9mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 19, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 19, 2014 Benzo discussions are here http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/forum/29-members-only-benzo-tapering-discussion/ This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
KittyQ Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Hi Jopro! I finally got myself signed up here. Congratulations on your latest final sliver. That's one more out of your system. I only wish you felt better. I'm so sorry for all you've had to endure. I'm sorry for ALL of us. But, it's good to hear from you again. I'm still stumbling around this site yet and feeling lost. Still, very glad to be back in contact. Hang in there. KittyQ KittyQ CT off paxil-April 2009 Link to comment
Jopro Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 This is just on my mind so im posting it to get it off. I just wanted to say Hello to all previous SA members. And a huge THANKYOU for having me and my old family. You must be a bit overwhelmed by this huge deluge of PPers.!!! We are harmless and polite And do not make a habit of causing trouble. I know we are having a good old moan on that thread but we are just hurting and I think just trying to make sense of things. I cant tell you what your kindness means to us. Im humbled by your goodness . Bare with us and thanks again for adopting us. Ct from 60mg Prozac May 2012 Taper from 2.4mg Nitrapepam for 1 and half yrs.Finally over on Nov 17th 2014 Still in a very bad place Link to comment
Brandy Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Welcome, Jopro! I was known as TryingtoGetWell (TTGW) on PP; was a member there since 2007. (I was a year in paxil withdrawal when I joined.) I have so many people to welcome (and many of them are familiar to me) I haven't been able to keep up. Just trying to pitch in and help the mods out with the unusually heavy new influx. All of you are so welcome here. I just don't want anyone who just joined, or even remembered and greeted me, to feel that I'm ignoring them. I've been too busy greeting new members who weren't with PP and have no familiarity with the group or friends here yet. (They will soon!) This is just on my mind so im posting it to get it off. I just wanted to say Hello to all previous SA members. And a huge THANKYOU for having me and my old family. You must be a bit overwhelmed by this huge deluge of PPers.!!! We are harmless and polite Love it that you're harmless lol. If you're toilet-trained, even better! I know we are having a good old moan on that thread but we are just hurting and I think just trying to make sense of things. I cant tell you what your kindness means to us. Im humbled by your goodness . Bare with us and thanks again for adopting us. Moan away. What happened was devastating. We know because many of us had been through similar things. Lashed out at when we thought we were helping not only the poster but the mods with what we thought were helpful replies (often labored over while sick in withdrawal) (as happened too many times to me), or banned (as Altostrata, who founded this site, after posting a wealth of information - creditable science research from journals, as well as her own brilliant insights and advice - all deleted by PP when she was banned). And countless others. Consider this not exile, but a reunion. We all have experienced or are experiencing withdrawal, in its many manifestations, and we all want to help each other. It's a little disconcerting to settle into a new home. Even a home that was sought after. Sooner than you think you'll feel like you've been here forever. I was "TryingToGetWell" (aka TTGW) on paxilprogress. I also was one of the original members here on Surviving Antidepressants I had horrific and protracted withdrawal from paxil, but now am back to enjoying life with enthusiasm to the max, some residual physical symptoms continued but largely improve. The horror, severe derealization, anhedonia, akathisia, and so much more, are long over. My signature is a temporary scribble from year 2013. I'll rewrite it when I can. If you want to read it, click on http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/209-brandy-anyone/?p=110343 Link to comment
Brandy Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 And please do start a thread in the benzo forum here. (Information in previous posts on this thread. I know you're feeling ghastly. You can start by just pasting in a post what you wrote in the thread above about the benzos, and adding the pertinent information ladybug wisely suggested. (That information is indeed important, as is the fact that you c/t'd off a large dose of AD. You have my great admiration for having dome that!) If you want, send me a PM when you've done that. I don't feel like the most qualified person to give benzo tapering advice. (I did a near-cold turkey off a very large dose of benzos years ago, never a slow taper. But I've been learning more and more in recent years about methods of extremely slow tapering, and I'm personally familiar not only with benzos but with having been polydrugged, as well as have communicated with many other people in those circumstsances. I - and others - will do our best to help you there, OK? I was "TryingToGetWell" (aka TTGW) on paxilprogress. I also was one of the original members here on Surviving Antidepressants I had horrific and protracted withdrawal from paxil, but now am back to enjoying life with enthusiasm to the max, some residual physical symptoms continued but largely improve. The horror, severe derealization, anhedonia, akathisia, and so much more, are long over. My signature is a temporary scribble from year 2013. I'll rewrite it when I can. If you want to read it, click on http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/209-brandy-anyone/?p=110343 Link to comment
Jopro Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 And please do start a thread in the benzo forum here. (Information in previous posts on this thread. I know you're feeling ghastly. You can start by just pasting in a post what you wrote in the thread above about the benzos, and adding the pertinent information ladybug wisely suggested. (That information is indeed important, as is the fact that you c/t'd off a large dose of AD. You have my great admiration for having dome that!) If you want, send me a PM when you've done that. I don't feel like the most qualified person to give benzo tapering advice. (I did a near-cold turkey off a very large dose of benzos years ago, never a slow taper. But I've been learning more and more in recent years about methods of extremely slow tapering, and I'm personally familiar not only with benzos but with having been polydrugged, as well as have communicated with many other people in those circumstsances. I - and others - will do our best to help you there, OK? Thanks for everything Brandy. Just trying to stay afloat at present. Be back asap x x x Ct from 60mg Prozac May 2012 Taper from 2.4mg Nitrapepam for 1 and half yrs.Finally over on Nov 17th 2014 Still in a very bad place Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted December 21, 2014 Moderator Share Posted December 21, 2014 Hold tight Jopro. You have been through worse before and made it out. Just relax and roll with it. (((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
Jopro Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Hold tight Jopro. You have been through worse before and made it out. Just relax and roll with it. (((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Brass ... NOW it feels like home!!! Thanks hon x Ct from 60mg Prozac May 2012 Taper from 2.4mg Nitrapepam for 1 and half yrs.Finally over on Nov 17th 2014 Still in a very bad place Link to comment
Junior Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Nothing like the BM hugs! lol Great to see you posting again Jo. I had no idea you stayed away from PP for fear of saying what was on your mind. Sad that so many people felt like that. A few people have had issues in the '30 month' spectrum. This may 'just' be one of those waves. You know the drill, hang on, this too shall pass. Personal history of GAD and 4 melancholic depressive episodes - two treated with Amityptline Family history of Bipolar Disorder - goes back at least 3 generations Adult son with autism, ADHD, intellectual disability and Bipolar II Put on Aropax / Paxil in July 1997 for anther episode. Decision to stay on it - worst decision of my life. Began to poop out in late 2008. Switched to Lexapro March 2009. Made me suicidal. Tried Cymbalta for 19 days. Horrible w/d. Found PP and RI'd Aropax at about the same time - August 2009. Began slow taper in 2010. Crashed in 13-11mg range in mid 2013. Switched to Citalopram 21 Oct 2013 in an attempt to stabilise. There are things that are known, and things that are unknown; in between are doors - Anonymous https://itunes.apple.com/au/book/longing-for-life/id958423649 My book about my unsuccessful journey through IVF Link to comment
Jopro Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 Nothing like the BM hugs! lol Great to see you posting again Jo. I had no idea you stayed away from PP for fear of saying what was on your mind. Sad that so many people felt like that. A few people have had issues in the '30 month' spectrum. This may 'just' be one of those waves. You know the drill, hang on, this too shall pass. Ive just been so Ill Junior and theres only so many times you can post the same horror story.! Yes I know the drill only too well. I don't know if its lunacy or bravery but nothing stopped me doing my benzo drop on top of it. But now I can truly start the healing process. Even if I have made it harder for myself!! Im Happy ....In a very ill ,distressed sickly painful way How are you doing? Ct from 60mg Prozac May 2012 Taper from 2.4mg Nitrapepam for 1 and half yrs.Finally over on Nov 17th 2014 Still in a very bad place Link to comment
Junior Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 You are one helluva strong lady. That's why I love you so much I'm doing ok. Feel like I've turned the corner a bit. My sleep has improved a lot in recent weeks. Have sinus issues now. If it's not one thing it's another. Meh.. this too shall pass. Personal history of GAD and 4 melancholic depressive episodes - two treated with Amityptline Family history of Bipolar Disorder - goes back at least 3 generations Adult son with autism, ADHD, intellectual disability and Bipolar II Put on Aropax / Paxil in July 1997 for anther episode. Decision to stay on it - worst decision of my life. Began to poop out in late 2008. Switched to Lexapro March 2009. Made me suicidal. Tried Cymbalta for 19 days. Horrible w/d. Found PP and RI'd Aropax at about the same time - August 2009. Began slow taper in 2010. Crashed in 13-11mg range in mid 2013. Switched to Citalopram 21 Oct 2013 in an attempt to stabilise. There are things that are known, and things that are unknown; in between are doors - Anonymous https://itunes.apple.com/au/book/longing-for-life/id958423649 My book about my unsuccessful journey through IVF Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 22, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 22, 2014 Jopro, what are your current symptoms? We have some suggestions about coping with symptoms in the Symptoms and Self-Care forum http://tinyurl.com/3hq949z This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Ever Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Jopro - just want to say how very cool it is to see you posting again. :) Put on Prothiaden for severe depression in 1989. Recovered. Prescribed Paxil for another bout of depression around 2000. Have been trying to taper ever since but always crash about 2 months after getting to zero. Because of the crashes, for years I thought that there was something wrong with me. Then found that the crashes were simply withdrawal. Now following a maximum of a 10% reduction every month or so and ready to slow down any time I feel any symptoms whatsoever. Feeling good:). 7th Jan 15 - 3.6mg 28th Jan 15 - 3.2mg Link to comment
Cressida Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Hi Jopro as fellow 30 monther still in the doo doo am saying hello. And you have benzo WD to cope with. Only a very short time off that. It is awful when you are poorly for so long , family stop believing and think you should be on pills because you must be mad. Very hard to believe it will ever end and forget what it is to be normal. My awful wave has subsided a bit and stabilised . Clearly I was getting rebound from the intermittent beta blocker use. Just normal food and Claire weekes from now on. Am sending you love and hugs and empathy xxx Paxil 10mg 21/2 years to June 2012 after a 2 month taper Link to comment
Jopro Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 Hi sorry I missed all your supportive posts. didn't know anyone had replied. Alto I like i going insane. Fatigue. And pain EVERYWHERE in my body. Mostly though,It is the fact that my head will not switch off!! . Im angry, paranoid, upset, sobbing, totally, sleepless. I cannot eat because im so distressed. Back to being afraid of everything. I don't know if you would say im suicidal but cannot think of anything but death . There seems no end or reprieve from this any more. The only thing I do know for sure is I cannot / will not take any more pills. Ct from 60mg Prozac May 2012 Taper from 2.4mg Nitrapepam for 1 and half yrs.Finally over on Nov 17th 2014 Still in a very bad place Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted December 23, 2014 Moderator Share Posted December 23, 2014 Hi Jopro-- I'm so sorry to hear that you have the body pain. I am very familiar with it. Luckily it comes and goes in waves and windows. For me it gets really bad for a week or so and then settles down for awhile before springing back up again. Over time it has lessened a lot, but it takes some doing to get through. Hot baths, shower massages and DHs strong hands all should help. The others are just drug induced emotions and have to be AAFed. Hang in there, you have come so far. (((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))) 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 25, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 25, 2014 Jopro, have your symptoms gotten worse since you've been completely off nitrapepam? Have you tried fish oil and magnesium supplements? Seehttp://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/36-king-of-supplements-omega-3-fatty-acids-fish-oil/http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1300-magnesium-natures-calcium-channel-blocker/ This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Cressida Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Hi sorry I missed all your supportive posts. didn't know anyone had replied. Alto I like i going insane. Fatigue. And pain EVERYWHERE in my body. Mostly though,It is the fact that my head will not switch off!! . Im angry, paranoid, upset, sobbing, totally, sleepless. I cannot eat because im so distressed. Back to being afraid of everything. I don't know if you would say im suicidal but cannot think of anything but death . There seems no end or reprieve from this any more. The only thing I do know for sure is I cannot / will not take any more pills. Paxil 10mg 21/2 years to June 2012 after a 2 month taper Link to comment
Cressida Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 So sorry you are suffering so badly. Benzo WD is really nasty. My 29 month wave improved a bit ( gives a little hope because it was so bad) and I ve just shot myself in the foot by having pudding over Christmas . I think about death a lot in waves. Not in a suicidal way have never wanted to die. More morbid thoughts intrude. Its horrible. Hope you are doing a little better Paxil 10mg 21/2 years to June 2012 after a 2 month taper Link to comment
Junior Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Hi sorry I missed all your supportive posts. didn't know anyone had replied. Alto I like i going insane. Fatigue. And pain EVERYWHERE in my body. Mostly though,It is the fact that my head will not switch off!! . Im angry, paranoid, upset, sobbing, totally, sleepless. I cannot eat because im so distressed. Back to being afraid of everything. I don't know if you would say im suicidal but cannot think of anything but death . There seems no end or reprieve from this any more. The only thing I do know for sure is I cannot / will not take any more pills. So sorry to hear this. ((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))))) May 2015 bring much healing. Lord knows, you deserve it. Personal history of GAD and 4 melancholic depressive episodes - two treated with Amityptline Family history of Bipolar Disorder - goes back at least 3 generations Adult son with autism, ADHD, intellectual disability and Bipolar II Put on Aropax / Paxil in July 1997 for anther episode. Decision to stay on it - worst decision of my life. Began to poop out in late 2008. Switched to Lexapro March 2009. Made me suicidal. Tried Cymbalta for 19 days. Horrible w/d. Found PP and RI'd Aropax at about the same time - August 2009. Began slow taper in 2010. Crashed in 13-11mg range in mid 2013. Switched to Citalopram 21 Oct 2013 in an attempt to stabilise. There are things that are known, and things that are unknown; in between are doors - Anonymous https://itunes.apple.com/au/book/longing-for-life/id958423649 My book about my unsuccessful journey through IVF Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted December 29, 2014 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2014 Hang tight Jopro, it's a bad wave and should be breaking soon. ((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))))) 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
Ever Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Hope we hear from you soon Jopro Put on Prothiaden for severe depression in 1989. Recovered. Prescribed Paxil for another bout of depression around 2000. Have been trying to taper ever since but always crash about 2 months after getting to zero. Because of the crashes, for years I thought that there was something wrong with me. Then found that the crashes were simply withdrawal. Now following a maximum of a 10% reduction every month or so and ready to slow down any time I feel any symptoms whatsoever. Feeling good:). 7th Jan 15 - 3.6mg 28th Jan 15 - 3.2mg Link to comment
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