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Since I was hearing about the chemical imbalance again yesterday on a tv talk show from a doctors mouth... it has occurred to me there is no stopping lies once everyone believes them.  I wonder how to stop this not only that but how did we get here. When seeking some understanding on the first issue I found this second issue .. seems there is a formula to do a good con and once the protocol is set up you just keep running the same con over and over. 

 

by Dr. Malcom Kendrick, M.D.
Author of The Great Cholesterol Con 

 

http://spacedoc.com/how_can_ideas_that_are_not_true_become_facts_1

 

"Here is one such 'fact', which is very widely accepted as true. Red wine protects against heart disease. When you try to track down a fact like this you will find, as I have done, that the evidence they rest on varies from; weak, to nil - to completely contradictory.

Indeed, if you have the time and energy required to dig deeper, you will find that most such facts are not based on any data at all. It can simply be an idea that was put forward in a medical journal, or at a conference. That is, if you can ever find the source.

Despite the lack of foundations, a strange thing then happens to certain ideas. Over the years, through a process of repetition, and multiple cross-referencing between different authors, and papers, the initial hypothesis becomes widely accepted as being true.

Why? Because everyone says.... that everyone says it is true. There will almost always be some physiological or biochemical process invoked to give it some scientific credibility. But when you look for the real hard data on clinical outcomes.....nothing."

 

 

"The first time I came across an example of this phenomenon was when I started looking more closely at the 'fact' that women were protected against heart disease by their sex hormones. At one point this was so widely believed to be true that I didn't even bother to question it."

 

Based on the last comment new doctors starting today will not question the "chemical imbalance" idea they will accept it as fact and move on... is this how we get the talk show guests of today still giving bad explanations. 

 

This article above is a 3 part article and I am not sure of the copy right on it but it is very much worth reading... I came to it seeking understanding of how to cure mitochondria disease that is caused by statin drugs.. figure fixing mitochondria would be maybe the same no matter which drug caused it. 

peace all

 

 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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how ideas that are not true become fact... as in the chemical imbalance theory.... very interesting site and article

How Ideas That Are Not True Become Facts - part 1 of 3

dr_malcolm_kendrick_m.d._134.jpgby Dr. Malcom Kendrick, M.D.
Author of The Great Cholesterol Con 

 

At first I believed that finding the protective mechanism would be simple. Somewhere, I would find the major study proving that oestrogen and progesterone (UK spelling) had beneficial effects. However, after a frustrating and prolonged search (this was in a time long before the internet was available) I found no evidence at all. I came to understand that the reason why I could not find it was because it DID NOT EXIST.

 

 

 

 

In order to confirm that everyone was now doing the right thing, a controlled study was set up to prove the benefits of taking HRT - the HERS study (The Heart and Estrogen / Progestin Replacement Study). Unfortunately, the HERS study proved the exact opposite to that which had been expected. It showed that HRT actually increased the risk of both heart disease and stroke. Not by a great amount, but enough to make it strongly statistically significant. It turned out that the 'fact' (female sex hormones protect against heart disease,) which was never based on any evidence in the first place, was proven to be untrue. Hold the front page, 'Unproven fact disproved'.

At the time this finding caused great shock and upset among various opinion leaders, some of whom flatly refused to accept the findings of the study. Some still do.

 

 

from spacedoc.com

this site is about damage done by statin drugs how he tried to proved it and how he is trying to heal it... he is a doctor who worked for NASA

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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"What really interested me about this whole sorry saga was not that the ‘ad-hoc' hypothesis itself was untrue. I became far more concerned with the broader question. Why are some ideas taken up so quickly, so widely, and with so little questioning, when there is no real evidence to support them? And why are other ideas rejected out of hand.

What are the drivers for this completely unscientific, and essentially emotional, behaviour? It turns out, as it would, that people have noted the existence of this phenomenon over the ages.

'When a man finds a conclusion agreeable, he accepts it without argument, but when he finds it disagreeable, he will bring against it all the forces of logic and reason.' Thucydides from 2,400 years ago.

More recently a UK surgeon called Wilfred Trotter concluded much the same thing about our inability to accept new ideas.

'The mind likes a strange idea as little as the body likes a strange protein and resists it with similar energy. It would not perhaps be too fanciful to say that a new idea is the most quickly acting antigen known to science.' Wilfred Trotter 1941."

 

The reality is that, once a scientist comes to believe that a hypothesis is correct e.g. heart disease is caused by eating saturated fat, which raises cholesterol levels, which causes thickening in arteries which leads to heart attacks and strokes - the ‘diet-heart/cholesterol hypothesis'. Once you believe this, and write articles on it, and gain awards for researching it, and make it your life's work. How easy is it to change? 

Very difficult, would be the answer.

Dr. Malcolm Kendrick (MbChB MRCGP) M.D.
Dr. Kendrick has worked in family practice for twenty years.
He has specialized in heart disease and set up the online educational website for the European Society of Cardiology. 
He is a peer-reviewer for the British Medical Journal.

How Ideas That Are Not True Become Facts - part 2

1: Bush TL et al. ‘Estrogen use and all-cause mortality. Preliminary results from the Lipid Research Clinical program follow up study.' JAMA 1983 Feb18;249(7):013-6

November 2011

 

I have likely posted too much ..content..but this is a really good one to my mind I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

peace

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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"‘I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth, it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.' Leo Tolstoy.

The exceedingly tight connection between what scientists believe, and their sense of worth, and status, explains the angry vehemence with which new ideas are rejected. Indeed, the level of rage that has been directed at me from time to time, has forced me to conclude that when you criticise the ideas of a scientist, you are, effectively, attacking them - and they will lash out at you. Their ideas are as jealously protected as if they were their own kith and kin. In some cases, more so.

The best book on this complex and fascinating subject, and the lengths we are prepared to go in order to protect our ideas, and thus ourselves, is ‘Mistakes were made, but not by me,' I recommend everyone in the world to read it. That is, if they want to try to understand themselves a little more, and why they act as they do."

http://spacedoc.com/how_can_ideas_that_are_not_true_become_facts_2

 

 

Here is the recommended book Mistakes Were Made But Not By Me 

 

http://www.amazon.ca/Mistakes-Were-Made-But-Not/dp/0156033909

 

 

 

The only thing that surprises me about this whole sorry saga is that the HERS study ( The Heart and Estrogen/Progestin Replacement Study) (1) (and others) were actually accepted. I thought they would be dismissed as being poorly designed, not using the right dose of hormones, no measuring the right outcomes, etc. etc. This is what normally happens to studies that disprove fondly held hypotheses. 

For a while the HERS study, and others in this area, gave me hope that all incorrect scientific dogma can eventually be overturned by the facts. Unfortunately the cholesterol hypothesis appears impervious to such puny weapons as contradictory evidence. Like a monster from a nineteen fifties sci-fi movie, it consumes contradictory evidence and grows ever more powerful."

 

 

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'Ad-hoc hypotheses - that is, at the time untestable auxiliary hypotheses - can save almost any theory from any particular refutation. But this does not mean we can go on with an ad hoc hypothesis as long as we like. It may become testable; and a negative test may force us either to give it up or to introduce a new secondary ad hoc hypothesis, and so on, ad infinitum. ...moreover, the possibility of making things up with ad hoc hypotheses must not be exaggerated: there are many refutations which cannot be avoided in this way, even though some kind of immunizing tactic such as ignoring the refutation is always possible.' Karl Popper. (The problem of demarcation).

When I first read this, I wasn't quite sure what he was talking about. Surely scientists don't just make things up, then claim they are true. How little I knew. In reality, the world of heart disease research has now become jammed solid with ad hoc hypotheses. And more are created on an almost daily basis. Green leaf tea, anti-oxidants, omega-3 fatty acids, coffee, genetic protection, excess iron, excess copper, or too little copper, etc. etc."

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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Which takes me full circle to a more relevant to us doctor. 

 

WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG
Had a car accident in 85
Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89
Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year
Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above.
One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking.

As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/

There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in :)

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