moodyblues78 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Please wake up people. Treating your symptoms with tetracyclic antidepressants is just plain stupid. Have you not learned anything here? You are taking a gamble on your life. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Offeverything27 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I can't speak for anyone but myself. When you lose your emotions you lose your soul. My life is already over. I don't think you understand. Weaned off Effexor XR 75mg after one year of use I'm experiencing the most debilitating symptoms ever imaginable -pssd -Emotional Numbness Last dose was in august '15 after weaning off for 6 months Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I can't speak for anyone but myself. When you lose your emotions you lose your soul. My life is already over. I don't think you understand. i`ve been there. I did not them get back by taking an another drug. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted November 4, 2015 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2015 If there is one thing every member of this forum understands it is loss of emotions, it has happened to each and every one of us. It is how a person reacts to the loss that matters. We've been telling you over and over again that this is a TEMPORARY situation and given time and patience it WILL correct itself. A positive attitude is essential in making it happen. To give up on life is to give up on recovery. It is a medically proven fact that once a patent has given up there will be no recovery. It is in your hands and your hands alone. You have to want to recover, any other attitude is self defeating. Change that one little statement from "my life is already over" to "my recovery has already started" and things will start to change for the better. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
moodyblues78 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Could not agree with you more brassmonkey. The key is right there. Not in a pill bottle. I`ve held my youngest in my lap and felt nothing for him. I was overwhelmed with my own state of mind. It was soul crushing and it did not change into anything better for a long time. But still it did. I chose to get better. Unbelievably hard thing to do. 08 Cipralex 10mg for about 6 months. 11-12 Cipralex 20mg. Unsuccesful WD. 12-13 Zoloft 100mg with Diazepam 10-20mg as needed for anxiety.Fall 13 Tapering Zoloft 100->50->25->12,5->0 in 2,5 months and CT Diazepam. 12/24/13 RI Zoloft 12,5mg. 1/21/14 11mg 3/18/14 9,9mg 2/18/14 8mg 4/22/14 7,6mg 5/5/14 7,2mg 5/12/14 -> cutting 0,5mg per week, holding when necessary. 8/18/14 -> cutting 0,25mg per week holding when necessary. 10/20/2014 -> cutting 0,1mg per week, holding when necessary.12/28/2014 Jump! Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted November 4, 2015 Administrator Share Posted November 4, 2015 Very good comments, brassmonkey and moodblues. Let's return this thread to LouisSyfer. OffEverything, if you want to discuss your situation, please post in your own thread. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
braziliandude Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 so where is this guy? do you have skype LouisSyfer?? Link to comment
LouisSyfer Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 No. Louis Syfer, PSSD victim during almost two years after taking psychiatric drugs as Seroplex (SSRI). Cured with Mianserin 30 mg within six months. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 15, 2015 Administrator Share Posted December 15, 2015 How are you doing, Louis? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
LouisSyfer Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 I'm ok, thanks ! What about you ? Louis Syfer, PSSD victim during almost two years after taking psychiatric drugs as Seroplex (SSRI). Cured with Mianserin 30 mg within six months. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 16, 2015 Administrator Share Posted December 16, 2015 Pretty well, thanks. Have you had any withdrawal symptoms or PSSD since taking mianserine for 9 months? How did you go off it in November 2014? Did you have withdrawal symptoms along with PSSD after you stopped escitalopram and before taking mianserine? Thank you and happy holidays! This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
LouisSyfer Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share Posted December 17, 2015 After tapering off mianserin, I had absolutely no withdrawal symptoms. I felt normal. With SSRI medication, I was wholly sick - because I had to take them ! But I didn't have withdrawal symptoms with them. I was only destroyed... !! Louis Syfer, PSSD victim during almost two years after taking psychiatric drugs as Seroplex (SSRI). Cured with Mianserin 30 mg within six months. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 17, 2015 Administrator Share Posted December 17, 2015 .... I should have taken Seroplex for depression in september 2012. And it was the beginning of the nightmare. Deeper depression, extreme anxiety, derealization, brain fog, and, of course, ABSOLUTLY NO LIBIDO no more. GENITALS NUMB. I was wondering what's happening to me. I asked my psy why my libido had disappeared and he replied that it was one of the consequence of depression, not the effect of seroplex. But when I began to fell depressed, it still had my libido. The problem was seroplex, not depression. I guessed it was bullsh*t, but where was the cure ? How long I would undergo this side effect ? After about four month of treatment, my doctor wanted to give me another antidepressant. Because my depression didn't improve ; it was worst and worst day after day. So I took cymbalta. Did nothing to me. Then I was hospitalized, and the psy gave me anafranil. After six month of treatment, I felt a bit better, so we stopped anafranil to see if my libido would come back. According to the psy, sexuality is supposed to be back after two or three weeks. But one month later, I was still bad. Depressed, anxious, with a big brain frog, and f course, no libido no where. For I and my psy, I was still depressed – and my libido couldn't come because of it -, so he gave me Ixel to try to cure it. But I knew that the solution was elsewhere. Some gave me poison (SSRI), and I had to find the cure myself if I wanted to survive. Then I started to make deep researches on the Net. In french, I found nothing interesting. But when I began to search in english language, what I discovered was amazing. I had PSSD. And a very bad one. And there's no cure known. I believed it was the end of my life. I stayed hours and hours in front of my computer and I saw there were so many things to try I didn't know what I was really supposed to do. Then, I found an U.S. article about Buspar, bupropion, mianserin, D.A., and so many other drugs. I tried buspirone and bupropion, for example. Buspirone did nothing to me, and bupropion drove me crazy. I tried mirtazapine as well, with no result. I was so desperate that I stopped everything. But the more I was waiting, the worst I was felling. For example I couldn't sleep more than three hours a night. And I was so anxious, that some days I started to drink alcohol in the morning. I felt better drunk than stressed. I saw on the net that mianserin makes sleep. So I asked my doctor to give me mianserin. 30 mg/day. .... Louis, after going off escilatopram and trying Cymbalta, Anafranil, Ixel (milnacipran), etc., you had the same "depression" and sexual anesthesia you had while on the drugs, plus sleep disruption and anxiety? How were you sleeping while you were trying all the different drugs? Did the sleep disruption and anxiety start when you were off all the psychiatric drugs? Were they from worrying about PSSD or were they from going off the drugs? Or both? I am asking these questions to see if you had other withdrawal symptoms that the mianserin helped. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
LouisSyfer Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Well as you can see it was up and down. Mainly I was very, very stressed. It was non stop. But with the drugs, I could sleep almost normally. When I got rid of everything, it was impossible for me to sleep well (3 or 4 hours only) and I decided first to try mianserin especially to try to sleep (this medication is well known for that) and to relax a few. What a surprise when during this treatment I discovered, I felt, that mianserin was fixing my brain. The treatment lasted 9 months, but after only 6, I was ok. When I tapered off, no withdrawal symptoms appeared. I'm still all right - but I admit my sleep is not the same than before PSSD. But there are other explainations for this maybe... Louis Syfer, PSSD victim during almost two years after taking psychiatric drugs as Seroplex (SSRI). Cured with Mianserin 30 mg within six months. Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 18, 2015 Administrator Share Posted December 18, 2015 Disrupted sleep is a very, very common withdrawal symptom. It could be the mianserin helped you sleep, and that helped your body repair itself. Also, the noradrenergics such as mianserin and its cousin mirtazapine tend to be sexually stimulating, as opposed to the serotonergics, which tend to cause sexual dysfunction. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
opusensemble Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 LouisSyfer, I suffer from suicidal depression after having had an SSRI adverse reaction 3 years ago, and been unable to find anything that helps. Do you think mianserin can help on suicidality and black depression?(altostrata I know this group is not about going on drugs, but would like to have LouisSyfer's opinion on this) Link to comment
LouisSyfer Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 LouisSyfer, I suffer from suicidal depression after having had an SSRI adverse reaction 3 years ago, and been unable to find anything that helps. Do you think mianserin can help on suicidality and black depression? (altostrata I know this group is not about going on drugs, but would like to have LouisSyfer's opinion on this) Hi, You know I'm not a doctor, so I can't tell you if Mianserin will help you or not to fight depression and/or suicidal tendencies. Even a doctor can't be sure for that. But you may try, maybe it will work. I know a old guy in depression for over ten years, I wanted to die too. Doctors gave him so many pills, it was a nightmare for him ! Because of course, no improvement no where whatever the treatment. A specialist gave him Mianserin ( maybe the only one drug I never tried !!), and now he's afraid to die. His depression almost desappeared. He's very old but he's getting better (his wife told me). It's quiet a miracle. But it will be your choice, if you decide to take Mianserin. Be careful. I don't think this drug is dangerous (it saved my life, so...), but beware anyway. Just let us know. Take care ! Louis Syfer, PSSD victim during almost two years after taking psychiatric drugs as Seroplex (SSRI). Cured with Mianserin 30 mg within six months. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted January 30, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 30, 2016 (altostrata I know this group is not about going on drugs, but would like to have LouisSyfer's opinion on this) Opus, if you know public discussion about going on drugs is against our rules, why do it? If you want to discuss this, please do it privately or visit other web sites for advice about trying new drugs. Louis, please would you put your drug and withdrawal history in your signature. Doing this helps people understand your context, it appears below each of your posts. Here are instructions for how to do it: http://survivinganti...your-signature/ I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment
diiscovery1 Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) Salut louis syfer, ton post est trés encourageant. Est-il possible de me contacter par mail? Je te remercie, en esperant que tu vois ce message. Edited April 9, 2016 by ChessieCat Removed email address Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted April 9, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 9, 2016 diiscovery I suggest if you wish to give Louis your email that you do it via PM. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
IWantToHeal Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 This is the most full recovery story I've heard. I'm actually considering going to the doc and asking for mianserine now. I don't know if the doc will just give it me because I asked though? Link to comment
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