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I am new to this forum. (Moved from Tips for tapering Seroquel topic)

 

I have been on Seroquel since Aug 1, 2018, 4 months at 25mg. I tried to come off of it cold turkey after 6 weeks, and my dosage ended up getting doubled to 50mg. I have since tapered down to 25mg. I notice every time I taper successfully, my sleep is initially fragmented for a few days progressively getting better.

 

I just had a unsuccessful taper attempt from 25mg to 22mg last week. I went four days without improved fragmented sleep. So then I went back up to 25mg again. Is this a case of perhaps simply finding a taper amount that I can tolerate easily enough? I am wondering what will happen if I had just stuck it out when I came down from 25-22mg. Would my body eventually have adjusted to that level? The uncomfortable sleep deprivation would be the obvious consequence.

 

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--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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(Hey Songbird,) - post moved from Songbird's Intro.

 

I am at 25mg Seroquel currently. It has been four months on the drug. I was successful coming down from 50mg to 25mg. I am having difficulty breaking below 25mg having tried twice. The latest was to try coming off 3mg. I had four days of fragmented sleep with increasing overall sleep deprivation. Usually, I will have initially a bad night with increasing improvement. So I bumped back up to 25mg. Any words of advice other than trying to come off at a smaller amount?

 

Thanks!

 

Matt

 

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--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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(Hey Ruby,) moved from Ruby's intro topic

 

I am using the Smart micro-scale to come off Seroquel. I am currently at 25mg and have been on doses up to 50mg. I am struggling to come off 25mg after two failed attempts. The latest attempt was to go from 25 to 22mg. I had four days of fragmented sleep with increasing sleep deprivation tiredness. I went back up to 25mg. It seems like the keys to tapering are as follows: 1) the amount of the drug I am coming off; and, 2) the period of time between tapering. Are there any of factors you can think of?

 

Another approach someone told me they used coming off 25mg for three months, their doctor had them take 25mg every other day for two weeks, then every third day for two weeks, and then off. Have you heard anyone find value to training your body to tolerate the drop by this approach?

 

Thanks!

Matt

 

 

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--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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Hi Matt and welcome to SA,

 

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Hi,

 

I am interested in people's experiences getting off Seroquel. I have been on the drug since August 1, 2018. The doctor took me off it cold turkey Sept 20, 2018. Since I couldn't sleep, the doctor prescribed several benzo combination of drugs. Finally, another doctor put me back on Seroquel at 50mg October 3, 2018. I have since tapered down to 25mg.

 

I understand that the two most important variables that dictate coming off are the following: a) the amount of the taper; and b) the time in between tapers. Are there any other important factors for consideration?

 

I spoke with a guy who was on Seroquel 25mg for three months or so, and his doctor told him to come off of it by taking 25mg every other day for two weeks, then 25mg every third day for another two weeks.

 

Any advice is welcome!

 

Thanks!

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, matt7777 said:

I just had a unsuccessful taper attempt from 25mg to 22mg last week.

 

Thank you for completing your drug signature.  Please include ALL the drug dose changes with their dates in your drug signature.  It is helpful for the mods to be able to see your history at a glance and not have to read back through your posts to get the information.  Thank you.

 

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So that the mods can assess your situation please keep daily symptoms notes on paper and post them in here in your intro topic.

 

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6 a.m. Woke with anxiety
8 a.m. Took 2.5mg Lexapro
10 a.m. Stomach is upset
10:30 a.m. Ate breakfast
11:35 a.m. Got a headache, lasted one hour
12:35 p.m. Ate lunch
4 p.m. Feel a bit better
5 p.m. Took 2.5mg Lexapro
6 p.m. Ate dinner
9:20 p.m. Headache
10:00 p.m. Took 50mg Seroquel
10:20 p.m. Feeling dizzy
10:30 p.m. Fell asleep
2:30 a.m. Woke, took 3mg Ambien (NOT "took 1/2 tablet Ambien")
2:45 a.m. Fell asleep
4:30 a.m. Woke but got back to sleep

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Hi Matt,

 

I've sent you a PM explaining about SA being different to how many other forums work.  Until we get the information to you about your own situation please do not create any new topics.  Thank you.

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ChessieCat,

 

That is a whole lot of detail in your example and everyday? I could post my taper schedule daily recently if that helps eg last 3 months

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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We need a daily symptoms journal as per the example above.

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This explains why we need what has been asked for:

 

On 9/28/2016 at 4:49 AM, Altostrata said:

 

A symptom pattern that occurs regularly over several days could mean the symptoms are from withdrawal, other adverse effects of drugs, or something else you do on a daily schedule.

 

In the course of discussion in your Introductions forum topic, you may be asked to keep notes on paper of your daily symptom pattern, including when you take your drugs, their dosages, and any symptoms.

 

What we need to see for every single day over several days is what symptoms you get before and after you take your drugs.

 

 

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Where would a person keep this daily journal online here?

 

By the way, the benzos listed were prescribed to get me to go to sleep after the doc took me off Seroquel cold turkey. Come Oct 3rd, I was put on a 10 day valium taper to get me off. So I am no longer on benzos.

 

 

 

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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Just post here as a regular post.

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20 minutes ago, matt7777 said:

Come Oct 3rd, I was put on a 10 day valium taper to get me off.

 

We still need the information about valium dates and doses in your drug signature please.

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Hi Matt, how did you measure your 22mg Seroquel dose?  What time of day do you take your Seroquel?  How has your sleep been since increasing back to 25mg?

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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Hi Matt, how did you measure your 22mg Seroquel dose?  What time of day do you take your Seroquel?  How has your sleep been since increasing back to 25mg?

 

Songbird,

 

I measured the dosage with American Weigh Scales GEMINI-20 Portable MilliGram Scale, 20 by 0.001 G . I take the Seroquel between 1030-1130pm at night. My sleep has been much better since returning to 25mg.

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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The following is my Seroquel Med Log for October and November 2018:

(main side effects: insomnia when tapering; headaches; constant twitching leg muscles. Vomited twice when taken off cold-turkey in Sept.)

 

Oct 2: Restoril 30mg; Klonipam 1mg; Sleep 3hr

Oct 3: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 5mg.... (sleep good)

Oct 4: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 5mg... (not good sleep)

Oct 5: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 5mg... (sleep okay and took a Hydroxine)

Oct 6: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 5mg...(sleep okay)

Oct 7: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 5mg...(no sleep even though took Hydroxine)

Oct 8: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 2.5mg...(sleep okay)

Oct 9: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 2.5mg...(sleep not so good)

Oct 10: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 2.5mg...

Oct 11: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 2.5mg...

Oct 12: Seroquel 50mg; Valium 2.5mg...

Oct 13: Seroquel 100mg (mistake);

Oct 14: Seroquel 50mg...(5 hours of sleep)

Oct 15: Seroquel 25mg...(no sleep) (Doctor put me on a taper schedule: 3 days at 25mg & 3 days at 12.5mg & then off)

Oct 16: Seroquel 25mg (took Hydroxine and slept 4 hours)

Oct 17: Seroquel 25mg (no sleep)

Oct 18: Seroquel 37.5mg (no sleep and stopped the doctor's taper schedule)

Oct 19: Seroquel 37.5mg (no sleep)

Oct 20: Seroquel 37.5mg (4 hours of sleep)

Oct 21: Seroquel 31.25mg (2.5/10 sleep. Starting my own taper schedule per doc)

Oct 22: Seroquel  31.25mg (3/10 sleep)

Oct 23: Seroquel  31.25mg (5/10 sleep)

Oct 24: Seroquel 25mg (2/10 sleep)

Oct 25: Seroquel 25mg (3/10 sleep)

Oct 26: Seroquel 25mg (5/10 sleep)

Oct 27: Seroquel 19mg (2/10 sleep)

Oct 28: Seroquel 19mg (3/10 sleep)

Oct 29: Seroquel 19mg (3/10 sleep)

Oct 30: Seroquel 19mg (2/10 sleep, & took Hydroxine. I couldn't sleep and panicked, going back up to 37.5mg)

Oct 31: Seroquel 37.5mg (2/10 sleep & took Hydroxine)

 

Nov 1: Seroquel 37.5mg; 10mgER Melatonin (3/10 sleep)

Nov 2: Seroquel 37.5mg; 10mg ER Merlatonin (4/10 sleep)

Nov 3: Seroquel 37.5mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (7/10 sleep)

Nov 4: Seroquel 37.5mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (6/10 sleep)

Nov 5: Seroquel 37.5mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (7/10 sleep. Headache throughout day)

Nov 6: Seroquel 33mg; 10mg ER Melantonin (3/10 fractured sleep)

Nov 7: Seroquel 33mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (4/10, headache throughout day)

Nov 8: Seroquel 33mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (7/10, headache during day)

Nov 9: Seroquel 33mg; 10mg ER Melaonin (8/10, headache during day)

Nov 10: Seroquel 33mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (3/10 sleep, headache throughout day)

Nov 11: Seroquel 29mg; 10mg ER Melanonin (4/10 sleep, headache during day)

Nov 12: Seroquel 29mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (7/10 sleep, headache during day)

Nov 13: Seroquel 29mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (3/10 sleep most likely because room was cold)

Nov 14: Seroquel 29mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (5/10 sleep most likely because still getting room temp right)

Nov 15: Seroquel 29mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (6/10 sleep most likely getting up to pee a lot)

Nov 16: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (2/10 sleep, fractured)

Nov 17: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (5/10 sleep)

Nov 18: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melantonin (5/10 sleep)

Nov 19: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (6/10 sleep)

Nov 20: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (7/10 sleep)

Nov 21: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (7/10 sleep)

Nov 22: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (7/10 sleep)

Nov 23: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (8/10 sleep)

Nov 24: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (7/10 sleep)

Nov 25: Seroquel 22mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (3/10 sleep, not rested)

Nov 26: Seroquel 22mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (4/10 sleep)

Nov 27: Seroquel 22mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (3/10 sleep, fractured)

Nov 28: Seroquel 22mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (2/10 sleep, broken & fractured)

Nov 29: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (6/10 sleep, leg muscles really twitching)

Nov 30: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (7/10 sleep, twitching leg muscles more noticeable)

Dec 1: Seroquel 25mg; 10mg ER Melatonin (5/10 sleep, twitching leg muscles)

 

 

 

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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According to your signature you started Ambien, Ativan, and Seroquel all on 1 August 2018, is this correct?  Was this all aimed at treating insomnia?  I'm wondering why the doctor felt that three meds were needed, that's pretty heavy-handed.  Any meds prior to August 1?

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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The Ambien was started by an Urgent Care doc a week prior to getting into to see my Primary Care doc. I told my Primary Care doc I wasn't a fan of the Ambien and she put me on Seroquel as a "longer term" solution to Ambien that she termed a "short term" solution. She thought the Ativan would be just "nice to have around" as needed. All three drugs were aimed at treating insomnia. The underlying issue I was having was frequency issues related to overactive bladder/nocturia. I had a prostate procedure August 1 to deal with the overactive bladder/nocturia that was keeping me up at night. I think the combination of the overactive bladder/nocturia combined with anxiety of having the procedure led to the insomnia kicking in a week before the procedure. Plus, the post-op was miserable with increased frequency issues, having a catheter in for three weeks and a UTI as a consequence. So I used the drugs to get through the first six weeks after the procedure.

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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UTI as a consequence

 

I assume you were prescribed a drug to clear up the UTI.  If this is a correct assumption, what specific one did you take?

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Cipro & Augmentin....I have exhausted the lines available for my signature

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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Thanks for updating your signature, but I'm a bit confused by the Ambien starting Dec 26, 2018 - did you mean July 26?

Did you have any side effects from the cipro?

 

So currently you are taking only Synthroid 150mg and Seroquel 25mg?  Are you sleeping well currently?

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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I didn't have any side effects with the Cipro. But I had bad diarrhea from the Amoxicilan.

 

I am currently on Synthroid but haven't taken it since August 1, 2018.

I am only on the Seroquel 25mg. I am sleeping relatively fine currently. The constant leg muscle twitches are really annoying though.

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--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, matt7777 said:

I am currently on Synthroid but haven't taken it since August 1, 2018.

 

 

I'm confused, if you haven't taken Synthroid since August 1, then you are not currently on it - why did you stop taking it?

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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I stopped taking it and need to start taking it again. I stopped taking it around the operation. It has to do with being on a catheter and being male.

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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You've made a lot of med changes in recent months.  If you need to start taking Synthroid again, it would be best not to make any other changes for a while.  One change at a time.  I believe you will be able to taper the Seroquel eventually, but it might be a good idea to let things settle for a good while first.

 

See:  the rule of 3KIS - keep it simple keep it slow keep it stable

 

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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Thanks Songbird. I appreciate you sending the attachment. Do you know if the leg muscle chirping or twitching to be a pretty normal side effect to Seroquel?

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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Hi, Matt. Good notes!

 

On 12/1/2018 at 12:22 PM, matt7777 said:

Is this a case of perhaps simply finding a taper amount that I can tolerate easily enough?

 

Pretty close. See Tips for tapering off Seroquel (quetiapine)

 

Since a 3mg reduction seems too much, you might want to stay well within the 10% reduction guideline and maybe taper by 2mg or even 1mg at a time.

 

The twitching could be a withdrawal symptom or it could be a very concerning side effect of Seroquel. Side effects are dosage-related; also, with the anti-psychotics, after a while they may start to have a bad effect on the nervous system. If I were you, I'd taper by 1mg every week until you get down to 15mg Seroquel. Please track your symptoms daily to see how well you tolerate this reduction schedule.

 

Why were you prescribed Synthroid? Was it related to "psychiatric" symptoms? Thyroid hormone has a half-life of weeks, so not much likelihood of withdrawal symptoms, but it can cause insomnia when you start up again.

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21 hours ago, matt7777 said:

Do you know if the leg muscle chirping or twitching to be a pretty normal side effect to Seroquel?

 

I got muscle twitching on Seroquel, severity was dose-related, and eventually it went away once I was off.

2001–2002 paroxetine

2003  citalopram

2004-2008  paroxetine (various failed tapers) 
2008  paroxetine slow taper down to

2016  Aug off paroxetine
2016  citalopram May 20mg  Oct 15mg … slow taper down
2018  citalopram 13 Feb 4.6mg 15 Mar 4.4mg 29 Apr 4.2mg 6 Jul 4.1mg 17 Aug 4.0mg  18 Nov 3.8mg
2019  15 Mar 3.6mg  21 May 3.4mg  26 Dec 3.2mg 

2020  19 Feb 3.0mg 19 Jul 2.9mg 16 Sep 2.8mg 25 Oct 2.7mg 23 Oct 2.6mg 24 Dec 2.5mg

2021   29 Aug 2.4mg   15 Nov 2.3mg

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@AltostrataAltostrata

 

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback!

 

I was prescribed Synthroid 10 years ago by my doc because technically it was low and to put more pep in my step, according to my doc. 

 

 

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, Songbird said:

 

I got muscle twitching on Seroquel, severity was dose-related, and eventually it went away once I was off.

 

Thanks Songbird! I hope it doesn't get too painful. 

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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Matt's Seroquel Log: Dec 1 to Dec 21

(*10mg MelatoninXR)

 

           Amount*                          Sleep Quality                  Comments

Dec 1: 25mg                              5/10                                 Since I was at or above  5/10, I felt some rejuvenation after the sleep

Dec 2: 25mg                              6/10                                 Leg muscle twitches

Dec 3: 25mg                              7/10                                 Leg muscle twitches

Dec 4: 23mg                              3/10                                 Woke up several times for no reason. Fragmented quality of rest.

Dec 5: 23mg                              3/10                                 Awoke 445am. Couldn't return to sleep.

Dec 6: 23mg                              6/10                                Awoke 3am. Managed to fall back asleep

Dec 7: 23mg                             5/10                                 Had difficulty sleeping from congestion/sneezing from cold

Dec 8: 23mg                              7/10                                Sick from cold. Awoke but could go back to sleep.

Dec 9: 23mg                              4/10                                Sick from cold. Up every couple hours with cold symptoms

Dec 10: 23mg                           4/10                                Went to bed at 10pm but couldn't fall asleep until midnight

Dec 11: 21mg                           4/10                                 Sick. Woke up several times.

Dec 12: 21mg                           5/10                                 Did a Sleep Study with gizmo on to see if I need CPAP. (Need CPAP)

Dec 13: 21mg                           5/10                                 Awaken a number of times. Fell back to sleep

Dec 14: 21mg                           5/10                                 Awaken 4am. Couldn't fall back to sleep.

Dec 15: 21mg                           6/10                                Slept okay while sleeping at friends place. Woke up and fell back to sleep.

Dec 16: 21 mg                           7/10                                Awaken twice but fell back to sleep.

Dec 17: 21mg                           4/10                                Awoke 4am. Couldn't fall back to sleep.

Dec 18: 21mg                            7/10                               Slept good. Had colonoscopy earlier in day, under. Took more to put me under.

Dec 19: 21mg                           6/10                                Awoken several times, fell back to sleep

Dec 20: 20mg                           2/10                                Slept for 2-3 hours, then couldn't fall back to sleep.

Dec 21: 21mg                          0/10                                 Couldn't sleep all night. Even tried NightQuil. Feels like Insomnia carried over from 20th.

 

Any advice what to do??? I tried tapering to 20mg on Dec 20th. Slept really bad. So I went back up to 21mg last night. I didn't sleep at all!

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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10mg Melatonin is a very high dose of Melatonin for someone in WD.  At this high dose it can have a paradoxical effect and cause you to stay awake.  We recommend starting with a dose of 0.25mg (1/4mg).  I started with 0.5 and slept better when I went down to 0.25.

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Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium 

End 2021  year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg

End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg 

End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg

Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper.

Taper is 95% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg  

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper

Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper.  Current dose as of Oct 15: 3.2mg

Taper is 96% complete.  

  

Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase, L-Glutamine, milk thistle, choline


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Matt's Seroquel Log: Dec 1 to Dec 21

(*10mg MelatoninXR)

 

           Amount*                          Sleep Quality                  Comments

Dec 1: 25mg                              5/10                                 Since I was at or above  5/10, I felt some rejuvenation after the sleep

Dec 2: 25mg                              6/10                                 Leg muscle twitches

Dec 3: 25mg                              7/10                                 Leg muscle twitches

Dec 4: 23mg                              3/10                                 Woke up several times for no reason. Fragmented quality of rest.

Dec 5: 23mg                              3/10                                 Awoke 445am. Couldn't return to sleep.

Dec 6: 23mg                              6/10                                Awoke 3am. Managed to fall back asleep

Dec 7: 23mg                             5/10                                 Had difficulty sleeping from congestion/sneezing from cold

Dec 8: 23mg                              7/10                                Sick from cold. Awoke but could go back to sleep.

Dec 9: 23mg                              4/10                                Sick from cold. Up every couple hours with cold symptoms

Dec 10: 23mg                           4/10                                Went to bed at 10pm but couldn't fall asleep until midnight

Dec 11: 21mg                           4/10                                 Sick. Woke up several times.

Dec 12: 21mg                           5/10                                 Did a Sleep Study with gizmo on to see if I need CPAP. (Need CPAP)

Dec 13: 21mg                           5/10                                 Awaken a number of times. Fell back to sleep

Dec 14: 21mg                           5/10                                 Awaken 4am. Couldn't fall back to sleep.

Dec 15: 21mg                           6/10                                Slept okay while sleeping at friends place. Woke up and fell back to sleep.

Dec 16: 21 mg                           7/10                                Awaken twice but fell back to sleep.

Dec 17: 21mg                           4/10                                Awoke 4am. Couldn't fall back to sleep.

Dec 18: 21mg                            7/10                               Slept good. Had colonoscopy earlier in day, under. Took more to put me under.

Dec 19: 21mg                           6/10                                Awoken several times, fell back to sleep

Dec 20: 20mg                           2/10                                Slept for 2-3 hours, then couldn't fall back to sleep.

Dec 21: 21mg                          0/10                                 Couldn't sleep all night. Even tried NightQuil. Feels like Insomnia carried over from 20th.

 

Any advice what to do??? I tried tapering to 20mg on Dec 20th. Slept really bad. So I went back up to 21mg last night. I didn't sleep at all!

 

Having Insomnia the last two days after taper, any advice on how many mg of Seroquel to take tonite?

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, matt7777 said:

Having Insomnia the last two days after taper, any advice on how many mg of Seroquel to take tonite?

 

Have you tried reducing the Melatonin as Gridley suggested?  It think it would be better to try this first before fiddling with your Seroquel dose.

 

3 hours ago, Gridley said:

 

10mg Melatonin is a very high dose of Melatonin for someone in WD.  At this high dose it can have a paradoxical effect and cause you to stay awake.  We recommend starting with a dose of 0.25mg (1/4mg).  I started with 0.5 and slept better when I went down to 0.25.

 

 

See topic:  Melatonin

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

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I tried CBD oil for the first time last night. I was dealing with a two-day insomnia bout related to my Seroquel taper. The CBD oil is awesome! It is nice to know there are adjunctive medicines out there to help!  See tip #6 in link

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2018/03/10-tips-help-patients-benzodiazepine-withdrawal.html

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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On 12/3/2018 at 12:32 PM, Altostrata said:

Hi, Matt. Good notes

 

@Altostrata,

 

In one of your posts you mentioned you have a Sleep Medicine doctor. I just started working with one in my home state in the Pacific Northwest. I was thinking of seeing one down at Stanford Sleep Medicine. Do you think qualitatively there is much difference between a Sleep doc at Stanford vs that of a Sleep doc out of a top hospital in Seattle or Portland?

 

My reason for working with a sleep doc has to do with getting off Seroquel and treating any underlying conditions that may exist.

--Synthroid: 150mg for the last 10 years, to present

--Melatonin: 3mg to present

(--Alfuzosin: 6/1/16 to 8/1/18--Flowmax: 8/1/18 to 8/14/18-- Ciprofloxacin: 7/26 to 8/4; 9/1-9/5. Augmentin: 9/5 to 9/12

--Ambien: 10mg-12.5mg July 26, 2018 to Sep 20, 2018 As needed--Ativan: 1mg Aug 1, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018 As Needed

--Clonazepam (2mg) & Restoril (30mg): Sept 20, 2018 to Oct 3rd, 2018--Valium (Benzo Taper): Oct 3rd to Oct 8th 5mg; Oct 8th to Oct 13th 2.5mg)

--Seroquel:  25mg, 1 Aug 2018; 0mg 20 Sept; 50mg, 3 Oct; 21mg, 21 Dec; 37mg, 31 Dec; Feb 1-March 1 2019: Cross-Tapered to 300mg Trazodone and 900mg Gabapentin

--Trazodone: 300mg March 1, 2019 to 250mg July 1, 2019

--Gabapentin: 900mg March 1, 2019 to 500mg July 1, 2019

 

 

 

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