Administrator Altostrata Posted June 4, 2020 Administrator Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) Many people come here with severe withdrawal symptoms after following their prescribers' or their own misguided plan to skip doses in order to taper. You may hear of people who got away with skipping doses to taper. That is possible, some people cold turkey without a problem. However, after cold turkey, skipping is perhaps the most risky way to come off psychiatric drugs. Both can result in terrible, severe withdrawal symptoms that might not fully be reversed by reinstatement of the drug. Skipping doses causes the level of the drug in your bloodstream to go up and down, even with long-acting drugs such as fluoxetine. This puts stress on your nervous system, potentially causing withdrawal symptoms. It's like playing ping-pong with your brain. NEVER SKIP DOSES TO TAPER. If after seeing this, you decide to skip doses to taper and get withdrawal symptoms, do not come back here asking for help. 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zma1 Posted July 9, 2024 Posted July 9, 2024 Before I knew how to taper properly I was lowering my sertraline by skipping doses. I started a running program and I read that exercise is as good as SSRIs, so I thought on the days I would run, I could skip my drug because the run would be my anti-anxiety med. 😬 so my husband and I went on a run one summer morning, came back home and my husband looked at me and said my lips were blue. So i walked over to the bathroom and they looked dark purple/blue! I felt fine, breathing fine, and almost as soon as i got to the mirror they turned back to normal pinkish color. I asked my doctor about it and he seemed unimpressed and said it’s probably Raynaud’s. I don’t have Raynaud’s. I looked online ( which is problematic because I have health anxiety) and some runners get this after a long run, it’s called shunting. Where your body pulls blood from extremities to larger muscles temporarily. But the run we did was a beginning walk/run of just about a half hour. After that I got obsessed and hyper vigilant and watched my lips all the time for changes—every once in a while my lips would turn this purplish blue for a second or two and then turn back to normal. This was just at rest doing stuff around the house, not after strenuous exercise— I got too scared to run again. I’d check my oxygen levels with a home oximeter and it was always 98-99 oxygen. I haven’t noticed this lip color change in about a year now. I’m going to chalk it up to one of those weird symptoms of messing with my dose. It had me terrified and in circles for a long time, because I couldn’t find anyone else with this particular withdrawal symptom and doctors (more than one) didn’t seem to consider it a symptom that needed further exploration. I think when they see “anxiety” on my chart and no other red flags with blood work and vitals, they put it in the anxiety column. I think this is actually correct, except I really do believe it is connected to an erratic reduction schedule of skipping days. I wanted to share just in case someone else was spinning out with a weird symptom that seems like it’s only happening to them. SERTRALINE current taper Oct 10, 2021: 18.75 mg dose/ 60mg weight; Nov 7, 2021: 15.6 mg dose/50mg weight; Nov 21, 2021: 12.5mg dose/40mg weight Dec 26, 2021: 9.4 mg dose/30mg weight; Jan 23, 2022: 6.25mg dose/20mg weight; Feb 13, 2022: crossover from 6.25mg dose tablet to 6.25mg dose/.31ml liquid; Mar 13 2022: 0.28 ml; Mar 27, 2022: 0.25ml (5 mg dose if my math is correct); Apr 3, 2022: 0.23ml; Apr 10, 2022: 0.22ml; Apr 16,2022: 0.20ml; Jun 5, 2022: 0.19 ml; June 19, 2022: 0.18ml; Sep 25, 2022: 0.17ml; Oct 23, 2022: 0.16ml; Nov 20, 2022: 0.15 ml; Jan 22, 2023: 0.14ml; slowly decreased over last year to Feb 1, 2024: 0.10ml; Apr 28, 2024: 0.09ml or 1.8mg; July 28, 2024: 0.08ml; Nov 17,2024: 0.079ml; Dec 1, 2024: 0.078ml; CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS Daily: Magnesium, micronized Progesterone 100mg, .050 bioidentical estrogen patch Periodically or as needed: Ibuprofen, Vitamin C, B-Complex, probiotics, Quercetin, Nasalcrom, Stinging Nettle, Vit D, Fish Oil, PREVIOUS DRUGS SERTRALINE Up and down mess: (Oct 2019-July 2021): 2021, July 14: 25 mg, 2021, Mar 17: 18.75 mg, 2021, Mar 9: 12.5 mg, 2021, Mar 1: 25 mg, 2020, May 29: 37.5 mg, 2020, Feb 19: 25 mg, 2020, Feb 1: 18.75 mg, 2019, Nov 2: 12.5 mg, 2019, Oct 18: 6.25 mg ESCITALOPRAM (Sep 2017-June 2019) 5 mg, Final taper: 5 mg > 2.5mg, then 2.5 every other day, then stop)
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