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Dasha: Coronavirus, Mianserin and PGAD


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I was taken Mianserin, then in March got sick with coronavirus.  I took a lot of antibiotics.  After my recovery, I started PHAD.  And I don't know what exactly caused it.  I would like to throw an antidepressant because it is one of the possible causes of this condition, but I'm not sure.  But I have depression and panic attacks and I do not know how to throw him. How can I throw it without consequences?Please Help!

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Welcome to SA, Dash.

 

To start:

 

To give members the best information, we ask them to summarize their medication history in a signature -- drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements, in the last 12-24 months particularly.  Please include the dosage of Mianserin that you're taking and when you started taking it.

 

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We recommend tapering psychiatric drugs, like the antidepressant Mianserin, at a rate of no more than 10% of your current dose every 4 weeks--no faster.  The vast majority of psychiatrists know nothing about safe tapering of psychiatric drugs and invariably taper their patients too fast.  Never taper an antidepressant by skipping doses (taking doses on alternate days).  This is a terrible way to taper and makes withdrawal worse.  The following link explains why we recommend the 10% taper.

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

Mianserin is a drug we don't encounter often.  There are several methods of getting the smaller, non-standard doses you'll need for a 10% taper.  Check with your pharmacist to see if Mianserin is available as a prescription liquid.  If it is, this would be an easy and accurate way to get the doses you'll need for your taper.  Another method of tapering is making your own liquid Mianserin.  Ask your pharmacist how soluble Mianserin is and in what liquid it would be soluble.  

 

How to make a liquid from tablets or capsules

 

Another method would be to use a digital scale, such as the AWS Smart-Weigh digital scale available on Amazon.com.  This scale is also known as the Gemini-20 scale.   I don't know if you have Amazon.com in Ukraine.  

 

Using a digital scale to measure doses

 

Finally, you can use a compounding pharmacy to make your doses for your taper.

 

 

We don't recommend a lot of supplements on SA, as many members report being sensitive to them due to our over-reactive nervous systems, but two supplements that we do recommend are magnesium and omega 3 (fish oil). Many people find these to be calming to the nervous system. 

 

 

 

Add in one at a time and at a low dose in case you do experience problems. Get supplements that are single ingredient (not mixed with other types of supplements).

 

This is your Introduction topic, where you can complete your drug signature, ask questions and connect with other members.  We're glad you found your way here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium 

End 2021  year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg

End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg 

End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg

Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper.

Taper is 95% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg  

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper

Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper.  Current dose as of May 2: 6.1mg

Taper is 92% complete.  

  

Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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  • Gridley changed the title to Dasha: Coronavirus, Mianserin and PGAD
On 6/25/2021 at 3:06 PM, Dasha said:

I was taken Mianserin, then in March got sick with coronavirus.  I took a lot of antibiotics.  After my recovery, I started PHAD.  And I don't know what exactly caused it.  I would like to throw an antidepressant because it is one of the possible causes of this condition, but I'm not sure.  But I have depression and panic attacks and I do not know how to throw him. How can I throw it without consequences?Please Help!

I started Miaser in October 2020 at 15 mg

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I haven't been here for a long time.  I have slowly quit Miaser for some long time ago now.  Apparently my Pgad was not connected with him.  It started right after I got sick with coronovirus and still.  I get better, I get worse.  I got off the antidepressants quite easily.  the first 2 months there were small problems with sleep and appetite.  But I followed all the directions and also drank magnesium and fish oil.

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Hi @Dasha

Welcome back. 

 

How are you doing today?

 

Do you still have symptoms that bother you, and if so, what are they? 

 

I'm not a mod, but I notice that you don't have drug signature. It would be really helpful:

 

On 6/27/2021 at 1:32 AM, Gridley said:

To give members the best information, we ask them to summarize their medication history in a signature -- drugs, doses, dates, and discontinuations & reinstatements, in the last 12-24 months particularly.  Please include the dosage of Mianserin that you're taking and when you started taking it.

 

Account Settings – Create or Edit a signature.

 

Kind wishes,

A.

 

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

August 2021 - 2mg melatonin   August 1, 2022 - 1mg melatonin   March 31, 2023 - 0mg melatonin

2024 supplements update: electrolyte blend in water sipped throughout the day; 1 tsp cod liver oil blend (incl. vit. A+D+E) w/ breakfast; calcium; vitamin C+zinc

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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I started on miaser 15 in October 2020, then switched to 30 in July 2021. In October-November I started to slowly taper the dose and stopped completely before the new year.  It was not particularly difficult after the cancellation.  I think Miaser is one of these drugs, weaker and more gentle or something.  I do not consider it a dangerous drug.  And now I am sure that it was not he who caused my main condition, which torments me - PGAD.  The only thing I noticed for myself is that Miaser has a good effect on sleep and appetite, but perhaps even worsens depression.  When I stopped the mood became more stable.  Initially, I took it specifically for sleep and appetite.

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@Dasha

What brings you to SA today?

Is there anything you'd like help with? 

1996-2018 - misc. polypharmacy, incl. SSRIs, SNRIs, neuroleptics, lithium, benzos, stimulants, antihistamines, etc. (approx. 30+ drugs)

2012-2018 - 10mg lexapro/escitalopram (20mg?)    Jan. 2018 - 10mg -> 5mg, then from 5mg -> 2.5mg, then 0mg  -->  July 2018 - 0mg

2017(?)-2020 - vyvanse/lisdexamfetamine 60-70mg    2020-2021 - 70mg down to 0mg  -->  July 2021 - 0mg

March-April 2021 - vortioxetine 5-10mg (approx. 7 weeks total; CT)  -->  April 28th, 2021 - 0mg

August 2021 - 2mg melatonin   August 1, 2022 - 1mg melatonin   March 31, 2023 - 0mg melatonin

2024 supplements update: electrolyte blend in water sipped throughout the day; 1 tsp cod liver oil blend (incl. vit. A+D+E) w/ breakfast; calcium; vitamin C+zinc

 

Courage is fear that has said its prayers.  - Karle Wilson Baker

love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters.  - Rev. angel Kyodo williams

Holding multiple truths. Knowing that everyone has their own accurate view of the way things are.  - text on homemade banner at Afiya house

 

I am not a medical professional; this is not medical advice. 

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