Akathisia vs restlessness, anxiety, agitation

[peaceandlove]

On 2/10/2024 at 1:38 PM, Safran said:

Yes, and only at night when I feel a little better I can watch TV or the phone, and during the day I've been bedridden for 2 months and I can't stand anything and I'm scared as you say.

@Kat66 @Safran Do you guys also get extremely cold with the akathisia? Like my hands & feet always get extremely cold when it flares up

[Safran]

12 hours ago, peaceandlove said:

@Kat66 @Safran Are you also very cold with akathisia? Like my hands and feet are always extremely cold when it flares up

My feet are almost always cold with or without akathasia

[Catina7]

Here is a very helpful meditation video that Chris Paige, a taper/withdrawal coach, made that is very comforting for people undergoing distress due to Akathisia and severe WD symptoms.  He himself suffered with Akathisia for three years.  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHuwGnc1F9A

 

 

 

 

Edited February 21 by Catina7

[Catina7]

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[Maybe]

For the people who have experience with Akathisia: Is it normal that it waxes and wanes during the course of days? Since it started 4 weeks ago, I had it on and off. One day nothing and then it was back for several days. It usually subsides in the evening, though. Never had it during the nights so far.

[peaceandlove]

I had a window yesterday majority of the day where I actually had a glimpse of what it feels like to be a normal human being with mindfulness & being able to be present in conversation instead of intrusive thoughts & anxiety 24/7 

[peaceandlove]

On 2/28/2024 at 12:08 PM, Maybe said:

For the people who have experience with Akathisia: Is it normal that it waxes and wanes during the course of days? Since it started 4 weeks ago, I had it on and off. One day nothing and then it was back for several days. It usually subsides in the evening, though. Never had it during the nights so far.

Yes mine varies in intensity & cycles. I wouldn’t say I never have it but Usually but night time it calms down some @Maybe

[Maybe]

22 hours ago, peaceandlove said:

Yes mine varies in intensity & cycles. I wouldn’t say I never have it but Usually but night time it calms down some @Maybe

Hmm, I still have no clue what I have gotten myself into with this cup of coffee. I haven't had any akathisia since last Friday, but I sometimes have the feeling that I am close to it, if that makes sense. As if my nervous system is still aroused more than normal and that when I give it a little push, akathisia will be back. Sensations in the legs, arms and gut are there some of the days. Maybe another wave around 10 years out from my last one...

I hope you do not have to deal with it for too long anymore.

 

[peaceandlove]

14 minutes ago, Maybe said:

Hmm, I still have no clue what I have gotten myself into with this cup of coffee. I haven't had any akathisia since last Friday, but I sometimes have the feeling that I am close to it, if that makes sense. As if my nervous system is still aroused more than normal and that when I give it a little push, akathisia will be back. Sensations in the legs, arms and gut are there some of the days. Maybe another wave around 10 years out from my last one...

I hope you do not have to deal with it for too long anymore.

 

Can you describe this akathisia sensation in more detail please? Is it like an inner vibration feeling, tingling or are your legs literally moving ?? @Maybe 
 

thank you I hope yours goes away too. 

[Maybe]

28 minutes ago, peaceandlove said:

Can you describe this akathisia sensation in more detail please? Is it like an inner vibration feeling, tingling or are your legs literally moving ?? @Maybe 
 

thank you I hope yours goes away too. 

Thank you.

It is very hard to describe. It is no real tingling and my legs are not moving. Inner vibration may fit better. At the beginning it feels as if my legs are "relaxing". Then they feel nervous until I have to move around to keep it on a level I can bear.

[PortugueseSea]

On 2/29/2024 at 4:08 AM, Maybe said:

For the people who have experience with Akathisia: Is it normal that it waxes and wanes during the course of days? Since it started 4 weeks ago, I had it on and off. One day nothing and then it was back for several days. It usually subsides in the evening, though. Never had it during the nights so far.

Definitely happens, it is part of the process of recovery.

 

 

On 3/6/2024 at 7:14 AM, Maybe said:

Hmm, I still have no clue what I have gotten myself into with this cup of coffee. I haven't had any akathisia since last Friday, but I sometimes have the feeling that I am close to it, if that makes sense. As if my nervous system is still aroused more than normal and that when I give it a little push, akathisia will be back. Sensations in the legs, arms and gut are there some of the days. Maybe another wave around 10 years out from my last one...

I hope you do not have to deal with it for too long anymore.

Coffee can turn up my now relatively mild akathisia into a rage. Any stimulants will be a bad idea for a while. You are quite correct in saying that your nervous system is more aroused than usual, that is exactly what it is.

[Belajazi]

7 hours ago, PortugueseSea said:

Definitely happens, it is part of the process of recovery.

 

 

Coffee can turn up my now relatively mild akathisia into a rage. Any stimulants will be a bad idea for a while. You are quite correct in saying that your nervous system is more aroused than usual, that is exactly what it is.

@PortugueseSea i have same experience, when i take Coffee, then my akathisia rage. Therefore i decide to never take coffee untill full recovery. 

[Maybe]

19 hours ago, PortugueseSea said:

Definitely happens, it is part of the process of recovery.

Well, I thought my recovery was done a decade ago
Guess I was wrong, though as the akathisia is only inbetween, I can cope.

[Estman]

Hi,

I went on a trip and got a cold
Nasal congestion-runny nose occurred
I took Sudafed for 2-3 days
It worked well for the common cold, but several bad symptoms appeared
I have like more confusion-agitation and anxiety
The sleep is very bad, there is insomnia and very disturbing dreams
Depression is stronger again.
Can Sudafed cause psychiatric symptoms?
The pharmacist said that it might make you a little drowsy, but did not warn about other symptoms
 

[jon1]

49 minutes ago, Estman said:

Hi,

I went on a trip and got a cold
Nasal congestion-runny nose occurred
I took Sudafed for 2-3 days
It worked well for the common cold, but several bad symptoms appeared
I have like more confusion-agitation and anxiety
The sleep is very bad, there is insomnia and very disturbing dreams
Depression is stronger again.
Can Sudafed cause psychiatric symptoms?
The pharmacist said that it might make you a little drowsy, but did not warn about other symptoms
 

 

Yes, Sudafed contains Pseudoephedrine, which quite commonly causes anxiety and agitation, even in healthy people.

[Estman]

4 hours ago, jon1 said:

 

Yes, Sudafed contains Pseudoephedrine, which quite commonly causes anxiety and agitation, even in healthy people.

Depression and hopelessness are also more intense.
Maybe it affects neurotransmitters
I took a total of 10 tablets (60mg) of it for about a week
Last one tablet this morning.
How long can it stay in the body and cause anxiety?

[jon1]

1 hour ago, Estman said:

Depression and hopelessness are also more intense.
Maybe it affects neurotransmitters
I took a total of 10 tablets (60mg) of it for about a week
Last one tablet this morning.
How long can it stay in the body and cause anxiety?

It’s full effects last around 4-6 hours, it can take anywhere from 1-4 days to completely leave the body. It varies from person to person.

 

It’s always made me ‘jittery’, but it normally wears off within a day.

[Prozack]

With a lot of shame I hope for any reply to my thinking on akathisia.

 

Its not about be or not to be, because you aren't. In this state it's hard to do anything. Or anything right. It's like wearing straitjacked. And nothing helps. Anything you do, it's still there. It mean in the state of panic, horror, being full of muscle jerking, jailed in your own body you can't properly feel yourself or the other. You literally don't really have a right access to world. Because your painful filling act like huge obstacles. You can't be friend, partner, son, worker...

 

You can have some flashes what to do to help, but in the end nothing helps. You can change you job, change your company, you can migrate. It will be still there.

 

I always thought firstly have depression and now WD. Now I think I have akathisia for my whole life. In my childhood I was afraid of anything and anyone. I have intrusive though like I virtually speaks with someone who is talking to me what is right and what is wrong (not psychosis, just rethinking). I was having in my mind that it will be the end of the world if I won't be successful in school. I was studying all the time in panic like: "Oh I forgot that, what now?!). I was all the time so tense that my throat was dry. I was biting my nails and eating my hair all the time. I was burnout all the time asking myself why other people could have hobbies or just simple energy. When I was teenager I wasn't on any drug neither caffeine, but if I tried alcohol or weed I was wonder "Why it has so much impact on me, but not on the others." My father was always asking me: "Why you can't sit peacefully and moving something all the time?" Now I think it wasn't anxiety or shyness. It was rather AKA in some degree. Cause: several antibiotic treatments and anti asthma treatment in my childhood.

 

But lets get to the point. When I finally reached some breakout, when I suddenly became totally apathetic just crying on bed, I went to the doctor and was diagnosed with depression. Then I started with meds, tobacco and caffeine. The point is. Once you start solving you AKA with any psychoactive substance, you feel better thinking: "Oh this was missing, now I will feel better." You become more optimistic and easygoing, but then you AKA came back stronger, doesn't matter if you are on the drug or off. And then you reinstate, feel a little bit better, but after a period of time, it vanish. I think is happening to me all the time with psych drugs, caffeine, tobacco, aminoacids, Mg, even herbs and spices. The latter also help but not for a long time.

 

It seems important: akathisia nervous system is burnout nervous system. Putting someone with akathisia on any drug could be similar to putting alzheimer brain on amphetamine. The person will suddenly get power and will, but will he make good decisions? No. I know for myself that everything I did I ***** up.

 

And what to do, what do you guys think? I think. Do nothing! Eat as little as clean and as low as possible and sleep. Maybe I or you will "start walking" one day. If you think that putting some substance in your body, even B complex will help is similar to people who think some diet will heal some condition. It won't! Body heals just by itseld. I was eating just plant based home prepared oil free salt free diet with probiotics hoping to help me. All those fibers made my digestion worse and consequently my AKA worse.

 

Really what do you mean? Am I right? Was I having AKA all the time?

[Estman]

On 3/21/2024 at 9:12 PM, jon1 said:

It’s full effects last around 4-6 hours, it can take anywhere from 1-4 days to completely leave the body. It varies from person to person.

 

It’s always made me ‘jittery’, but it normally wears off within a day.

When I took Sudafed, I had very intense dreams.
The last time I took it was the day before yesterday in the morning and yesterday I was less agitated and restless
At the same time, we had a rapid change in weather
The air pressure dropped and it rained all day
Then I usually get a headache in the back of my neck and on one side of my head
Also, the eyeballs are painful and sensitive to light
Apparently it has something to do with the blood vessels in the head
It is the same when flying by plane, there is a lot of uncomfortable head pressure and pain
I have taken painkillers, but they don't seem to help
The pain sometimes lasts for 2 days
Along with the headache, there is again strong agitation and anxiety because I can't relieve it
but the worst thing is that at night there are very disturbing, confusing dreams
I also wake up repeatedly and then it's some kind of nightmare
If you have such a dream, the next day you will be very agitated and phobic about sleeping.
Is it possible that Sudafed can also cause bad dreams, even a few days after stopping?
As if before REM sleep there is a disturbing image that immediately wakes me up
The head is also very dizzy and there is a dull average pain, an uncomfortable feeling behind the eyes
It's like mountain sickness, but I've experienced nothing but a change in weather