Realzman: Tapering low dosage of Prozac

[ChessieCat]

6 hours ago, Realzman said:

All my health stuff was checked out to rule other causes.

 

Did they check out ALL your vitamin and mineral levels?

 

6 hours ago, Realzman said:

To me the loss of joy and lack of interest is unbearable and unlivable. Also for how long my son may be alive I am not enjoying him.

 

Part of what you are experiencing may be what I call "pre-grieving".  I went through periods of this before my husband's death.

[Realzman]

I had everything checked. Thyroid, test, vitamins, ect. 

 

It is definitely a depression. I wasn’t sad and we are still fighting for him. I was very happy before. 

 

I guess I hoped for more some stories as depression is real. 

 

All all I can ask for is prayers for my boy and me. I need the depression to lift. 

[Altostrata]

Maybe you are sad now. Sadness is real.

 

Sorry, we don't have a solution for depression. You have the same choices as ever: Figure out how to cope with it or take drugs.

[Realzman]

Now. I am not sad. There is no low mood. Just no pleasure and no interest. A total shutdown.

 

I am suffering. Most of every day I don’t think I will make it.  My flared up ocd has caused a fixation on the anhedonia. My thoughts all day are on this depression. I am not coping well. Tried CBT and even one infusion of Ketamine in desperation but it didn’t help. 

 

All the best to all those suffering on here. I hope you have success. 

[Altostrata]

Nothing is going to instantly fix you, you are in a bad situation, feeling down is natural.

 

Sleep disruption alone can cause the condition you describe.

 

Strongly recommend non-drug psychotherapy for the "OCD". You are clearly fixated on the idea that you have "depression." There is no better way to guarantee "depression" than to obsess about it night and day. It sounds like you have health anxiety.

 

You might look into Dialectical Behavior Therapy. You have a lot to accept.

[GiaK]

my page on rethinking depression cut and pasted below...it doesn't deny the feelings that get called that at all...but it demythologizes the rush to pathologize

there is no such thing as a monolithic state called depression
 

People often want to believe that depression has some distinct pathology. It does not. Clinical depression is very much a garbage pail term for feeling sh*tty and that may manifest in a large number of ways and have many different combinations of etiologies.

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Depression is always a mixture of many things…there is no such thing as a monolithic state called depression…the fact that people imagine that is the case, is a problem.

The biggest reason it’s a problem is because psychiatry did a criminal disservice when it created the myth of the chemical imbalance. At best the chemical imbalance theory is a gross reductionism. At worst, people, having been misguided to take drugs that do nothing towards healing their body/minds. While on occasion some people do find some relief the fact remains that these medications can instead gravely harm people and often do. This fact is largely denied by established psychiatry even though there is a lot of documentation now that establishes it as fact. See: What your MD should tell you about SSRI antidepressants
 

Depression also often contains many different feelings. Using a term like “clinical depression” obfuscates the reality. It can be: despair, loneliness, helplessness, melancholy, pain, anguish, discouragement, misery, sorrow, wretchedness, shame…
 

It can also be experienced as complete and total numbness. No conscious sense of any feeling at all. An internal deadness. The term depression obfuscates and distances in this way.

Call depression what it really is: Despair, loneliness, helplessness, melancholy, pain, anguish, discouragement, misery, sorrow, wretchedness, shame…

The term depression obfuscates and distances…it’s meaningless

another take:

this is what William Styron wrote about the word “depression“:
 

“for over seventy-five years the word has slithered innocuously through the language like a slug, leaving little trace of its intrinsic malevolence and preventing, by its very insipidity, a general awareness of the horrible intensity of the disease when out of control.”  (from Vanity Fair, Darkness Visible)

Here William Styron further expresses his experience:

What I had begun to discover is that, mysteriously and in ways that are totally remote from normal experience, the gray drizzle of horror induced by depression takes on the quality of physical pain. But it is not an immediately identifiable pain, like that of a broken limb. It may be more accurate to say that despair, owing to some evil trick played upon the sick brain by the inhabiting psyche, comes to resemble the diabolical discomfort of being imprisoned in a fiercely overheated room. And because no breeze stirs this caldron, because there is no escape from this smothering confinement, it is entirely natural that the victim begins to think ceaselessly of oblivion.  – from Darkness Visible

William Styron also speculates in that piece that his depression was made far more virulent by the psychiatric drugs he was prescribed for sleep. Benzodiazepines are, indeed, notorious for creating dark hell zones.
 

To actually use descriptive terms makes it real. It makes it human. Depression is a clinical term that does nothing but distance us from the pain of others.
 

Here is a list of a few articles and posts on Beyond Meds that might help one consider what is called depression in different ways, because it is not just one thing. It’s always a combination of many things in the life of every individual who gets the label. This is true of all psych diagnosis, actually.

newer first:

• Depression as pain

• Depression Delusion: an introduction by the author, Terry Lynch, MD

• Chemical imbalance myth takes a big public fall (no, antidepressants do NOT correct an imbalance of serotonin, nor do other psychiatric drugs correct anything at all)

• Trauma inducing medical care during the birth experience is often the cause of post-partum depression

• Gluten sensitivity in those labeled schizophrenic & bipolar (also implicated in depression & anxiety)

• From “De-pressed” to “Deep Rest”: Depression as a Call to Spiritual Awakening?

• Grief to become just another form of depression? another disorder for the DSM5 (and alternative ways of thinking about that pain)

• “Meditating through my depression has shown me the universality of pain, and the availability of Grace.”

• One man’s method for managing depression and supporting his well-being – Dr. Andrew Weil

• Before excessive drug treatments NIMH declared depression “on the whole” a diagnosis with best prognosis for recovery: not so anymore

• The Value of Depression – Al Galves

• Conversations about suicidal feelings — a collection of alternative ways to consider suicidal thoughts

• Carl Jung’s Words of Advice for the Depressed

And new posts that have been added:

• Is This Depression? Or Melancholy? Or…

• Is depression unhappiness?

• Antidepressant information — a collection of links about drug treatment

• Freedom from Depression

• Ten Myths about Depression and Psycho-Pharmacology

• Contrary to popular opinion “major depression” can respond to non-drug options!

• Call depression what it really is… in memory of Robin Williams, RIP

• Depression (psych labels in general) reflect the dis-ease of civilization

• On Staying Sane in a Suicidal Culture

 

Edited March 13, 2018 by ChessieCat
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