Moderator Emeritus Fresh Posted June 22, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 22, 2015 Irish television station TG4 aired Dark Side of a Pill, a Danish documentary about SSRI-induced violence, a couple of weeks ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz3MJtDb1Fo&feature=youtu.be If you have 55 minutes, you might find it interesting. 1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg 2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months. July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months. Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg. October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive. March 2016 , 21mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz3MJtDb1Fo I found it on this blog http://fiddaman.blogspot.ca/ I urge you all to share this far and wide. It's a documentary that was recently aired in Ireland. It will make you sad, it will make you angry. Hopefully it will make you realize that the pharmaceutical companies who feature in this documentary need to be held accountable for the heinous acts they have committed by allowing antidepressants on to the market when they knew all along that they could cause some people to carry out crimes of violence on others. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 at 17:30 of this video you will see an appearance by Kim Kendall... stating " These drugs should be treated with caution. There is a substantial number of people who take these drugs and find themselves in a very very difficult place. Where they become full of suicidal thoughts sometimes think about killing people. Things that are a complete surprise to them. At 17:58 a voice over in another language English type at the bottom states "and he warns that these drugs can cause radical personality shifts" He speaks again "For some people when they take these antidepressants they feel very different, they don't feel themselves at all. And after several days of not sleeping well and being very agitated some of these people do become quite violent or lose their temper excessively their partners will say this is not like them. This statement was made by Professor of Psychiatry Tim Kendall of the Royal College of Psychiatrists http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/workinpsychiatry/committeesofcouncil/psychopharmacologycommittee.aspx#tk This will be music to the ears of all the people who loved somebody who completely changed while taking and ssri snri... such as are at the Marriages Destroyed thread here. This is a post I made earlier today. "Posted 23 June 2015 - 10:11 AM It happens in wd I am sure there are a long list of broken things in SA members lives. I have hit kicked thrown and slammed so many things the list would take the page up. What bothers me more is the times I do it and forget I did it... I think the first time this happened I threw a sugar bowl full of sugar at the door.. it broke... I cleaned it up. Some time later I recall asking where the sugar bowl was... nobody seemed to know. I am not sure when but at some point I recalled breaking it. Now that scares me. It is also the sort of thing that took years to notice. I don't know what makes the memory of it come back or why I forgot .. both are creepy. When this happens it seems to be a loss of thought and actions seem to just happen... I hate that feeling of being out of control for me there are a host of issues related pulling a stunt like this... as that is how it use to be framed in my mind pulling a stunt.. a mindless stunt. I did not know about the frustrations of wd that there was such a thing as wd... or that it happens to other people too... the idea I was losing control of myself was frightening.. it was one more thing that made me feel less then...and has in the past been one more reason for me to take drugs... THAT WAS AND IS ALL CRAP! this next bit was all red but changed to black for some reason... I came back to fix sp mistakes... DON'T BUY IN... THIS IS A SIGN MAYBE YOU NEED TO HOLD YOUR DROPS AND WAIT FOR STABILITY MAYBE...IT IS ALSO HOW WE FEEL IN WD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think the breaking things is partly wd moods as they can be bad and it is also frustration on how our lives have changed while we try our very best to hold what we know is dear to us... losing some is common. Rage at loss is rather normal not having enough support or any understanding sure makes it all snowball fast. Even in a perfect world where homes were kept jobs were put on hold and money came from heaven to support us thru this process I am sure some things would be broken in wd. Since I have had none of those supports when I see I have lost control of myself I tend to take more time for myself maybe even isolate as I am afraid of what I will do next, as it always feels impulsive I do not think I want to break the sugar bowl or kick the crap out of the washing machine I am trying to fix.. it all just happens and I have to deal with the fallout. I hate unconscious acts especially when I do them. If you want to spill your guts if you think it would help you can pm me... or talk here completely up to you... and know when it comes to wd there is nothing new under the sun... well except for brain simulators they are new .. all this is old hat. This may not be in any way helpful to you but my hope it that seeing your not alone in this will help some... and covering some of the bases may help you process the event. " The impulsive breaking of things I know this is not where near the damage caused by those in the story above at the same time I do see a similarity. Maybe I am to be noticing how blessed I am today that I did a lot of impulsive things but I did manage to stay out of jail and not hurt anyone in a fatal way.... I did sell a house and did not recall doing it..that seems big enough for me. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Sorry Fresh I did not see this and put it up today I have already linked it a couple of time too crap my mistake. sorry WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I tried to find out about the man they tested in the jail by giving him ADs and sugar pills to see if his response changed... his name is Willem Idsardi he is Dutch I was wondering if the judge that ordered the test had come to a sentence for him yet. I could not find anything on him or the murder case no updates. I was thinking if we have any Dutch people here maybe they will have better luck with google where they live and we can get an update. wish you all peace in spite of all we know - maybe especially because of all we know peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Hi B, I know what Dutch man you mean because I found it on the same blog. i have a friend who lived in Holland and speaks dutch. I'll ask her to keep an eye out. That's a crazy way to beat a murder rap. I wish him luck. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 It was on the fiddaman blog.. I did not see it there. What I find interesting is that a judge order the testing... if a judge can do that why haven't any other judges done it in the past... say for some of the school shooters who did not kill themselves... seems to me a drug induced murder should have a lesser rap... could you imagine going thru cold turkey withdrawal in jail... holly ****... I barely survived it out of jail and you would not be able to kill yourself either... not in jail... I could see a person in that situation picking a fight with the baddest person in there hoping to get murdered but bet they are in lock down and can't even do that... no that would be torture. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btdt Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 It makes me wonder about Ashely Smith after all the forced drugging she had in jail ....maybe she just could not bear any more and wanted to die. I know dark post this is turning into. And that is bad for us both still a judge taking the meds to task to run a test he basically designed is a new approach .. I am trying to get back on topic...some days I just know too much to have a calm and careful life. I think it does not help my own healing either Eve and that Apple again I keep looking for apple... a sweet one and keep coming up with poisoned apples. Maybe it is in there still the reverse of one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch... there is one good apple in that bunch and I am going to find it. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus JanCarol Posted June 25, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted June 25, 2015 Similar topics merged. "Easy, easy - just go easy and you'll finish." - Hawaiian Kapuna Holding is hard work, holding is a blessing. Give your brain time to heal before you try again. My suggestions are not medical advice, you are in charge of your own medical choices. A lifetime of being prescribed antidepressants that caused problems (30 years in total). At age 35 flipped to "bipolar," but was not diagnosed for 5 years. Started my journey in Midwest United States. Crossed the Pacific for love and hope; currently living in Australia. CT Seroquel 25 mg some time in 2013. Tapered Reboxetine 4 mg Oct 2013 to Sept 2014 = GONE (3 years on Reboxetine). Tapered Lithium 900 to 475 MG (alternating with the SNRI) Jan 2014 - Nov 2014, tapered Lithium 475 mg Jan 2015 - Feb 2016 = GONE (10 years on Lithium). Many mistakes in dry cutting dosages were made. The tedious thread (my intro): JanCarol ☼ Reboxetine first, then Lithium The happy thread (my success story): JanCarol - Undiagnosed Off all bipolar drugs My own blog: https://shamanexplorations.com/shamans-blog/ I have been psych drug FREE since 1 Feb 2016! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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