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ChessieCat

Hi Everyone,

 

I'm pleased to find this forum, but I am sorry that it is for the reason it is.  It is amazing how many people are suffering from AD WD, and the symptoms and length of time it can take.  I found this site from searching withdrawal symptoms, because today is my 10th day at my lower dose and I have been feeling worse today than at any time since I halved my dosage.

 

Recently I became absolutely miserable about my aches and pains, which were stopping me from doing things around the house and causing sleep problems.  I started wondering about them and then remembered that I had had to go off Prozac (about 20 years ago) when I got muscle weakness.  St John's Wort also caused similar but not as bad muscle weakness so I stopped that too.

 

I started researching AD symptoms and made (what seems to be) the connection that I have Serotonin Syndrome so I made the decision to reduce my Pristiq from 100 mg to 50 mg.  The doctor suggested alternating between 100 & 50 for 2 months, but because the aches and pains are debilitating I decided to see how I went going straight to 50.

 

After a couple of days I did get mild zapping / electric shock sensations, and also headaches for several days at the end of the 1st week.  I  slept a lot over the first 3 days (and was able to sleep at night).  Then I had several nights where I had trouble sleeping.  Last night I slept through for the first time.  I had several days where I had an upset stomach which I had thought was a tummy bug but I now realise it is possibly from the withdrawal.

 

At this time, I am feeling achy (a bit like the flu), different from being on the higher dose.  This surpised me because I had been going well.  Thinking back, the first few days I wasn't drinking coffee.  Then I started having coffee in the morning again and yesterday I had one at breakfast and then another at lunchtime.  What I have read on this site confirms my suspicion that it may be the cause of me not feeling as good as I had so no more coffee for me.

 

Yesterday I decided that I need to started taking more care of my nutrition (I haven't had much of an appetite lately), and what I have read here confirms this.  I am taking one day at a time, and I am not making any decision yet as to whether I will go off the Pristiq completely or stay on the 50 mg.

 

At the end of last year I completed a free Government funded online workshop (I'm in Australia) which I found very helpful.  Even though I had previously seen a psychologist, had done a lot of reading of books and internet articles and "knew" CBT (which I have nicknamed Change Bad Thinking) I found that doing the workshop (which was over 8 weeks) was very helpful because it was practising the CBT, instead of just knowing it.

 

I'd like to take this opportunity to wish everyone all the best as you deal with whatever you are going through.  Unfortunately, that is the hard part.  We have to go through it ourselves.  Thankfully, though, others can support us.

 

Take care everyone.

 

ChessieCat

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ChessieCat

Gave up coffee today.  Slept okay but woke early.  Feeling very tired all day but okay other than that  Able to concentrate reasonably well.

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nz11

Welcome Chessiecat

Regards

from the ginger cat.

 

Just thought id let the cat out of the bag, and put the cat among the pidgons on something ...

in 2005 the FDA public advisory issued a statement that 'abrupt changes in dosages can cause suicidal and homicidal ideations'

Unfortunately thats how the cat jumps. Sadly when it comes to the doc informing of this ..the cat seems to have got his tongue and besides they will just play cat and mouse with you.

Translated into cat talk that means skipping or alternating doses is one of the best ways to loose one of ya cat lives...second only to a cold turkey!! and if you do that you really will be bell the cat! ..its gonna rain  cats and dogs and thats an understatement.

 

There is also another way to end up like a cat on a hot tin roof and nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs ...and thats a too fast taper. For in this game its very rare to find more than one way to skin a cat.

 

When it comes to that fat cat doc of yours hes in the dark and all cats are grey in the dark its no good being a cat in gloves and catching no mice so you need to take responsibility for your self and keep no more cats than will catch mice you must turn cat in the pan then you really will be sitting in a cat bird seat ....the cats pyjamas for sure! And you have come to the right place to do just that.

 

They may be taking a cat nap but Im sure there will be some cool cats in soon to tell you about cool cat tapering..

 

Unfortunately when it comes to getting the doc to expand his mind on this he cant ...there aint no room in that there bird brain to swing a cat.

 

Personally i think when it comes to ssri withdrawal CBT is like herding cats but thats just my opinion.

 

We are so glad you found us Chessie.....simply purrfect!

 

Hoping you'll be  like the cat who swallowed the canary real soon.

 

Welcome

NZ11

Auckland Performance dates: 11 Sept 2015 - 11 Oct 2015; The musical 'Cats '.

 

“Time spent with a cat is never wasted.”
Colette (author, Gigi)
 

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Orangecat

If you get tired of Ginger Cats, there's an Orange Cat on here too... I chose my name after my very American (friendly, spoiled, and large) orange cat. You're in good company.

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Tilly

Welcome Chessiecat

Regards

from the ginger cat.

 

Just thought id let the cat out of the bag, and put the cat among the pidgons on something ...

in 2005 the FDA public advisory issued a statement that 'abrupt changes in dosages can cause suicidal and homicidal ideations'

Unfortunately thats how the cat jumps. Sadly when it comes to the doc informing of this ..the cat seems to have got his tongue and besides they will just play cat and mouse with you.

Translated into cat talk that means skipping or alternating doses is one of the best ways to loose one of ya cat lives...second only to a cold turkey!! and if you do that you really will be bell the cat! ..its gonna rain cats and dogs and thats an understatement.

 

There is also another way to end up like a cat on a hot tin roof and nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs ...and thats a too fast taper. For in this game its very rare to find more than one way to skin a cat.

 

When it comes to that fat cat doc of yours hes in the dark and all cats are grey in the dark its no good being a cat in gloves and catching no mice so you need to take responsibility for your self and keep no more cats than will catch mice you must turn cat in the pan then you really will be sitting in a cat bird seat ....the cats pyjamas for sure! And you have come to the right place to do just that.

 

They may be taking a cat nap but Im sure there will be some cool cats in soon to tell you about cool cat tapering..

 

Unfortunately when it comes to getting the doc to expand his mind on this he cant ...there aint no room in that there bird brain to swing a cat.

 

Personally i think when it comes to ssri withdrawal CBT is like herding cats but thats just my opinion.

 

We are so glad you found us Chessie.....simply purrfect!

 

Hoping you'll be like the cat who swallowed the canary real soon.

 

Welcome

NZ11

Auckland Performance dates: 11 Sept 2015 - 11 Oct 2015; The musical 'Cats '.

 

“Time spent with a cat is never wasted.”

Colette (author, Gigi)

 

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Tilly

Hilarious NZ11! Bravo!

 

Welcome Chessie Cat! I hope that you find the support that you need here.

Tilly x

 

(My username is the name of one of my 4 cats. I'm a crazy cat lady. Glad to be amongst such great feline company!)

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ChessieCat

Hi Everyone,

 

And thanks for the furry welcome.  My cat had her 17th birthday last weekend.  I also have a dog (13) who has her own issues, but she is a good companion.

 

I logged in yesterday and typed up a response and update on my progress but it doesn't seem to be here.

 

Maybe I just forgot to click the Post button.  Wouldn't surprise me, I have been feeling foggy headed for the last couple of days and sleeping a lot.

 

I've managed to get the washing up done and went outside in the fresh air for about 1 hour today doing sudoku puzzles.  I'm feeling very relaxed and just trying to go with the flow.

 

Hopefully everyone is doing okay.

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Fresh

Hi ChessieCat . . . welcome to the site from another Sydney-sider.

 

In all seriousness , NZ11 brought up some very good points.  

Abruptly going from 100mg to 50mg is going  to make you very very sick for a long time. . .

you're having just a taste of it now.  And because you've been on and off AD's over 

20 years , your brain will not be able adjust to such a huge change without extreme

discomfort.

No amount of CBT will relieve the withdrawal symptoms.

 

This site recommends tapering your dose by 10% every 4 to 6 weeks in order to minimize

w/d symptoms.

At this point (11 days out)   you might want to go back to your previous dose and stabilize ,

then begin to taper safely.  There are other ways to manage your muscle pain.

If you choose to ride it out , you may be looking at many months of being unable to leave

the house or manage on your own , so you should take this into consideration.

This may sound grim but is the reality of the situation.

 

Please could you have a go at filling in your signature so that your drug history comes up

with all your posts.

 

Good to have you on board ,   Fresh

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bubble

Welcome to SA Chessiecat.

 

Can you please fill in your signature with your drug history as described here:   http://survivinganti...your-signature/

 

Stopping psychotropic medication abruptly can cause a severe and prolonged suffering which is a reason we are all here. As I saw from your first post that you were thinking whether to stop Pristiq in this way I wanted to point that out. 

 

We don't have enough information about your drug history and your current drug situation so we will be able to say more once you provide that information. 

 

Best,

Bubble

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ChessieCat

Thanks for all the hellos and advice.  I'll have a look at the suggestions.

 

Again, something is "not working" with me posting as one of the first things I did was make a signature.  Oops.  And I'm (usually) a very able person when it comes to computer/internet stuff.  I think in this case I can definitely blame the WD.

 

Okay peeps, just been to my Profile page and what I completed was my History!!!  Fixed it up so here goes.

 

CC

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ChessieCat

Hi again,

 

I've tried to read and make sense of the WD 10% and Pristiq tapering.

 

Firstly, I'm glad I didn't take docs advice to take 100/50 alternate day.  Big tick for me.

 

I understand that I need to increase my dose to level back out.  My fuzzy head is getting to me and I know I can't think as well as I did.   I don't want to go back to 100 mg if at all possible, because the muscle spasms from the Serotonin Syndrome caused all sorts of issues.  At least now I am sleeping and can move around much better than before.

 

According to doc 25 mg Pristiq is not available in Australia.  I suggested 25 + 50 to make 75 and he looked it up.  Does anyone know if that is correct?

 

I understand that nobody here can give me direct advice but I would truly welcome ideas because I am really not thinking clearly and am feeling overwhelmed.

 

I have 100 mg & 50 mg tablets.  There is a compounding pharmacy close by.  I've no idea what they would charge.  Would it be worth getting my 100 mg tablets compounded into capsules with a slow-release additive?  And if I did, what dosage/s per capsule/s would you suggest?

 

My first reaction when I realised the ADs were causing my spasms was to get off the meds.  I think this is a perfectly normal response and would be quite common.  It wasn't until I started reading about withdrawal that I started understanding that the ADs are chemicals that affect our brains and the rest of our bodies and that they need to be withdrawn slowly to give our bodies a chance to adapt to the change.

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

 

CC   

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Fresh

Great job on the sig. CC.

 

I get capsules with slow release compounded and can give you some tips there.

In the meantime if you don't want to go back to 100mg, you may want to cut a 50 in  halves and quarters , and

try to stabilize on 75 or 75 plus 37.5 (112.5mg).  

This will get you stable until you can get the compounded caps sorted - that'll take a week or so.

 

You're right , 25mg tabs. are not available here.

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Altostrata

Yes, if you had 25mg tablets, a 50mg tablet + a 25mg tablet = 75mg

 

However, you don't have the 25mg tablets.

 

As you decreased from 100mg to 50mg, you might cut a 100mg tablet into quarters and add a quarter (25mg) to your 50mg tablet.

 

Did you ever take Effexor? That is a close relative of Pristiq. If you did not have an adverse reaction to Effexor, you might want to add 37.5mg Effexor XR to your 50mg Pristiq, stabilize until withdrawal symptoms go away, and taper by taking out the beads of Effexor, see Tips for tapering off Effexor (venlafaxine)

 

If that goes well, when you get down to 50mg Pristiq, you might switch to Effexor to taper the rest of the way.

 

I hope your doctor is now aware of the difficulties in tapering Pristiq.

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ChessieCat

Firstly I'd like to say a really big thank you to the people who have assisted me since I started here.  It is very much appreciated and you seem to understand that when we first get here we may not be thinking clearly and able to take in what we need to in order to help ourselves.  Your patience is a real blessing.

 

Reinstated yesterday by taking an additional 50 mg tablet at about 4 pm after Fresh (a big thank you) sent me Altostrata's video.  It made so much sense and helped me to understand the information I had been reading.

 

Took 50 mg at normal time this morning and then middle of the day took another 50 mg.

 

I don't think it is my imagination, but I don't feel as fuzzy headed today.  In fact I did my Luminosity brain training and got some brilliant scores.

 

I'm taking a Magnesium (chelated) 500 mg capsule morning and night (hope this will help with the spasms).

 

I'll be cutting my 100 mg into 4 from now on so I can take 75 mg.

 

I now accept that this is going to be a slow and steady race.

 

Thanks again.

CC

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ChessieCat

Hi again,

 

Pleased to say that I called in to the compounding pharmacy this afternoon and they are familiar with Pristiq and the tapering issues. 

 

The cost is okay and I can take in my own tablets for them to do with the slow release additive.  I also bought Fish Oil and Vitamin E and I was blessed with them both being on really good special!!!  I didn't bother buying a pill cutter because I will put the cost of one of them towards the compounding cost.

 

Last 2 days I have taken approx 75 mg and have been feeling much better than I was.  No fuzzy head and I have a sense of humour, too.  I'm hoping I won't have to go up any higher.

 

QUESTION/S:  Should I get some of the 100 mg tablets made into 25 mg capsules and if so, what quantity?

                        Should I get the balance made into 12.5 mg capsules?

               OR    Would it be better to get them all made into 12.5 mg capsules and take 2 of them + 50 mg?

 

I appreciate your help with this.  Thank you.

 

CC

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Fresh

That's great news that you're starting to feel better CC.    My suggestion re compounding is to get a

couple of quotes so you can choose the best.

 

To determine what you'll want , you need a rough idea of your tapering schedule.  After this hiccup , you

might want to wait 6 to 8 weeks at 75mg to get stable before reducing further.

So you'll want 25mg x 1 x 60 days = 60 caps (to supplememt the 50mg tabs).

 

The suggested decrease of 10% brings your next drop from 75mg to 67.5mg.    This will be hard to make

up with only 25's or 12.5's.

If you get some 10mg's , you could make up the 67.5 with a 50 and two 10's , by taking 2.5mg out of a 10mg

(you need scales for weighing , tip some out of the capsule and pop the top back on).

(I've had a bunch of 10's , 5's and 2.5's made to make fine-tuning easier.)

 

So , 30 days at 67.5mg needs 2 x 10mg x 30 = 60

 

Your next drop would bring you to approx. 60mg , etc.

 

I hope that makes sense . . . that's how I estimated what I'll be needing.

Bear in  mind that the capsules expire after 6 months , they can't guarantee the efficacy.

 

:)  

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ChessieCat

Hi Fresh,

 

Thanks for that, and the heads up about them expiring after 6 months.

 

You seem to have set it out well, but at the moment I can't quite get my head around it so I'll print it out and read it when I feel "fresher".  I told you my sense of humour had returned.  It feels such a relief.

 

Cheers, CC

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bubble

Great that you are feeling better. I would just like to add that stabilising is not a linear process so don't be surprised if there are still some waves.

 

In particular, don't challenge your decision to updose then ;) The fact that you felt better means it was a good one and waves are an expected part of the process.

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Fresh

No worries CC.

 

Further thoughts:     It'll be heaps cheaper to invest $3:50 in a pill-cutter than using compounded capsules .

While you're on higher doses , you can get a pretty accurate dose cutting it yourself.  A jewellers' scale on ebay

costs about $30 , and is a good investment.

It gets much trickier as the dose gets lower and the pristiq crumbles and turns to dust.  I didn't have problems  

until I got down to  37.5mg.

It might be better (and more cost effective) to cut and weigh it yourself for the next few months.

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ChessieCat

bubble:  Yes, it makes a nice change to feel more normal.  The difference from last week is amazing.  And thanks pointing out that I may have waves.  It's good to remember.

 

Fresh:  $3.50 for a pill cutter???  The cheapest I saw was about $8 at the chemist.  The better one held the tablets and they were $10.  Or have did you get one from a "cheapie" shop?  I'll see how I go since I've only been on the cut tablet for a few days and haven't worked out if I need the slow release additive.  At least I won't have to add Effexor to the mix.  Now I have a better understanding of what I need for tapering, I'll go back to the compound pharmacy and get a more accurate price for the smaller weight capsules so I don't keel over when I have to get them made up.  But it will be worth it.

 

Cheers everyone.

CC

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Altostrata

Good to hear you're feeling better, Chessie.

 

You may wish to take half of a magnesium capsule 4 times a day -- it's absorbed better at lower doses taken more frequently.

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ChessieCat

Hi Altostrata,

 

Thanks for the advice (and the great website and support).  I can remember reading that about magnesium somewhere.  Much appreciated.

 

BTW I am still feeling good.  Just have a very slight "stressy" feeling every now and then when I realise I have been breathing lightly.

 

I spent the day with a very dear friend and throughout the day I explained to her about ADs and WD.  She has a wide network of people she comes into contact with and at some stage in the future might find the information helpful for someone.

 

It was also good for me to be able to talk with someone who has known me since high school and knows my life history.  We had a laugh and I had a bit of a cry (more of tears welling up) but as she said it was a safe environment and she understood.

 

I hope everyone else is managing okay.

CC

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dalsaan

Glad to hear you are feeling better and have good friends

 

Dalsaan

 

Another Aussie

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ChessieCat

Gooday Mate (Dalsaan),

 

And yes, I can say that at the moment.  Thank you for your good wishes (and the help you give on the forum too).

 

I told my girlfriend that I am not taking that I feel better for granted.  I am enjoying it, whilst being aware that it may not remain that way (thanks to bubble's reminder), but after feeling so miserable for so many months (and worse in the last couple of weeks) I am not going to waste the good feeling by dreading what may (or may not) happen.

 

Living in the now!!!

CC

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Having at least one understanding, supportive person in your life, if you go through withdrawal is such a blessing, so I'm happy to hear you have such a good friend CC.

 

I would think you can be fairly confident you are over the worst of the symptoms now, you updosed within a short time and started to feel better almost immediately, then quickly got into a routine of taking the same amount every day and continued to feel better. This is a good indication that your nervous system hadn't been impacted too badly by the changes.

 

I'm fairly certain, that apart from a few minor fluctuations, you will probably be fine from now on, if you stay on the same dose, taken regularly for at least a month, and then taper carefully using the 10% or less method.

 

As you mentioned in a previous post, you're not sure if you want to taper all the way off or stay at 50mg. You might want to hold off with making that decision for now and just start tapering very carefully when you are ready, and see how it goes. Any decrease in dosage you are able to make without too much disruption to your life is a step in the right direction and while you are able to keep taking those slow steps in the right direction, you might find you just want to keep going.

 

I'm so glad you found us when you did :)

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Glad you are feeling better CC.

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ChessieCat

Hi Petunia

 

Thanks for the encouragement.  I've worked out my plan to taper to 50 mg.  I haven't thought past that because at the moment I don't need to.  And yes I agree wholehearted, I am very, very thankful that I found the site when I did.  It could have ended up so much worse BUT it didn't so it's all good.

 

Hi nz11

 

Thanks.  It's amazing what a difference it can make to your outlook on life.  And thankfully it happened very quickly. I keep mentally shaking my head almost unable to believe it and how fortunate I've been.

 

BTW I have worked out what I want compounded and have sent out about 6 emails to compounding pharmacies for a quote.  It will be interesting to see if they get back to me.  At least there isn't any urgency and I've got a few weeks up my sleeve although I do need to be aware that Christmas is just around the corner.

 

Something I did realise today was that when we start our next taper we also need to be prepared to hold off a bit if our life situation isn't suitable at the time.

 

As always, I hope other peeps are doing okay.

CC

 

CC

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Fresh

When you feel up to it ,  pop into the Australia room (in the Relationships section).

There's currently a class action law suit being organized for people who have experienced

adverse effects from taking or stopping antidepressants.  Details of who to contact are there.

 

Spot on about holding off a decrease until things are calm.  

A few of us are holding off our next drop until after Christmas . . . something to consider.

 

:)

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Tilly

Sounds like you are doing great, Chessie!

 

I'm so pleased for you! Long may it continue!

 

Tilly x

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ChessieCat

Starting to understand how frustrating this can be, but only if we let it.

 

Over the last few days I've been doing things around the house (not a lot, not heavy stuff and not all at once) and by lunchtime today I was really starting to feel whacked.  Definitely more physically than anything else, just don't seem to have much strength.  Then I started trying to work out what is causing it.

 

I think it is actually a combination of a few things, of course including wd but also that over the last few months I haven't really done much physical stuff.  Sunday I cleaned the toilet, hand basin and mirror, Monday I did a heap of washing up (throughout the day) and also cleaned the shower (I am smart and take a stool in to sit on to clean the bottom half) and Tuesday I've washed and hung out 3 loads.  It doesn't seem like much, and normally it wouldn't be but for me at the moment, unfortunately, it is.  I ended up going and have about 1&1/2 hours sleep (I was awake during the night) and have since got the washing in.  Only thing I now have to do is make my bed, and I am NOT going to turn my mattress.  At least it's warm here, so no heavy/thick bed covers to manage.

 

And now I just have to relent and ask the question (which I was trying very hard not to):

 

Is this "normal"?

 

Thanks peeps, hope you are all doing well in your own circumstances.

 

CC

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Hi again,

 

I've just been checking out the Best of SA in Off-topic and found this video:

 

Healing from antidepressants. Patterns of recovery/Antydepresanty

 

Wow, it explains it in such a simple, visual way (I included it as a link so you can go straight there).  Well worth a look and very short to watch.

 

CC

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 ChessieCat,

 

Thank you for your thoughts and encouragement on my thread. Much appreciated !.  :)

 

To answer , your question. Yes, most of these symptoms are " normal " in withdrawal.  I have found the lack of energy , to be a " big one ".

 

Thanks for the video.  It does a good job, of summing it up !

 

Ali.

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Hi AliG, thanks for your comment.  I appreciate you stopping by.

 

I didn't take any fish oil or magnesium yesterday morning so that may have contributed to the problems.  Just a thought.

 

Managed to get my bed made just before bedtime.  I was determined I was going to sleep in bed properly, not just lie on a blanket and throw another blanket over the top.

 

I took them last night and have woken up feel "reasonable" (as in better than I did yesterday but top half of my upper arms are a bit tender when I raise my elbows as if I am about to fly - which probably looks funny - no, I'm not videoing it :P ).

 

Today is a "mental" day, not a physical day so it will give my brain some exercise but my body should be able to have a rest.  Need to get back to some more housework tomorrow.

 

CC

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Hey Chessie! Wow!  You just got here, and you're already posting positive support on other people's threads - welcome!  You are a breath of fresh air - and I'm thrilled that you got to us before it got so bad.

 

What is it with doctors and the "every other day" thing?  Geez!  That seems common as dirt, especially here in Oz!  I could make a crude comparison to in-out-in-out doing rude things to our brains, but I will only allude to that.

 

It sounds like you are stabilizing - you've battened down the hatches for the coming storm.  Well done! Every time you make a change in the drugs, it bounces your brain like  a basketball.  If you keep making changes, the ball will keep bouncing.  You are wise to hold still for awhile before making any more adjustments.  Then you can try to "sneak away from the wolf," as I say it.  If you run from a wolf - it will chase you.  If you try to get away from the drugs too fast - they are likely to show you fangs and glowing eyes.  But if you sneak, when the wolf isn't looking (small tapers) you can be far far away before the wolf knows you've left!  I am a big fan of holding, too - any reason is a good reason to hold.

 

"I don't feel right," "I didn't sleep well," "Relatives are coming over," "My cat is sick," and - most of all, "I'm still having withdrawal symptoms."  Sometimes it takes the brain about 3 weeks to "catch up" to a small taper.

 

While Fresh and NZ say:

 

No amount of CBT will relieve the withdrawal symptoms.

 

I must add - that CBT will help you with coping skills.  Like you say, it's a practice, and when you have your "practice jar" full, it helps give you more tools to deal with horrible symptoms.  (but I'll bet you know that).  CBT skills - when practiced and developed - will help you get through the symptoms.  

 

But they won't change them. If someone is in the throes of withdrawal, you can't just say, "try CBT" and expect it to help.  It's a "building up over time," thing.  Or, as I say, "a practice." 

 

and oh - are you anywhere near Hornsby?  There's an A+ Qi Gong practitioner there.  If I were anywhere near, I'd join her class in a heartbeat!  Her name is Jenny McFadden, and she is very earthy, and her routines are healing, wise and helpful - like this one:

 

 

BTW I have worked out what I want compounded and have sent out about 6 emails to compounding pharmacies for a quote.  It will be interesting to see if they get back to me.  At least there isn't any urgency and I've got a few weeks up my sleeve although I do need to be aware that Christmas is just around the corner.

 

I am really happy with my compounder.  He does not have a brick-and-mortar office, he has a lab in his home on the Gold Coast, so low overhead, good prices.  He ships his prescriptions out. postage included.  He is very good at asking questions about what you need.  He compounds my thyroid with glutamine and Vitamin C to help my gut.  He will add in my microdoses of lithium later.  (though, as a misplaced Yank, it grates me to pay him $xx for something which costs $5 back in the USA)

 

Anyhow, here's his contact info (while you are getting quotes): 

Ian Owles

Australia Online Compounding Chemist

http://www.australiancompoundingchemist.com.au

10 Kosciusko Crescent

Southport, QLD 4215

07 3040 1960

0422 64 3378

 

And - from one cat lady to another - Welcome to SA!  I am owned by one crazy gray cat (brilliant post by NZ!)  That's not her in my profile pic, but it could be.  She was on antidepressants for awhile, too - and now has post-antidepressant stress and anxiety disorder.  Sheesh.  That's definitely a first world problem, eh?

 

Welcome! 

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