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I was diagnosed with gastroparesis 5 months into withdrawal. My symptoms are nausea, loss of appetite, feeling full after eating, and I've lost 50 pounds in the last year because I can hardly eat anything. I did not have this issue while I was on Prozac.

 

Is this a symptom of withdrawal? Has anyone else developed this during withdrawal?

 

Any advise or help would be greatly appreciated.

Discontinued Fluoxetine cold turkey after taking it for 12 years. Stopped taking Fluoxetine in August 2015.

My current withdrawal symptoms: Itchy skin, smell hallucination, hot flashes, night sweats, insomnia, and anxiety. 

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Others have experienced these symptoms as part of withdrawal. Here's a link to our existing topic: Gastroparesis and or bloating

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It is related to autonomic dysregulation.

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Petunia -

 

Thank you for the link.

Discontinued Fluoxetine cold turkey after taking it for 12 years. Stopped taking Fluoxetine in August 2015.

My current withdrawal symptoms: Itchy skin, smell hallucination, hot flashes, night sweats, insomnia, and anxiety. 

Synthroid for hypothyroidism.

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What is autonomic dysregulation. Is this something that will get better over time?

Discontinued Fluoxetine cold turkey after taking it for 12 years. Stopped taking Fluoxetine in August 2015.

My current withdrawal symptoms: Itchy skin, smell hallucination, hot flashes, night sweats, insomnia, and anxiety. 

Synthroid for hypothyroidism.

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Is there anything anyone can suggest to help me.  It is so frustrating being so nauseous after eating.  It is making my w/d that much worse. 

Discontinued Fluoxetine cold turkey after taking it for 12 years. Stopped taking Fluoxetine in August 2015.

My current withdrawal symptoms: Itchy skin, smell hallucination, hot flashes, night sweats, insomnia, and anxiety. 

Synthroid for hypothyroidism.

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I hope someone can answer that question!

 

I have had exactly what you describe but was never sure of the reason for it (you say delayed emptying of stomach);  I lost 25kg over 3 years and I can say that eventually you do stabilise, but mind you, when I got down to 47kg I was getting scared!  Gradually I got back to 55kg and stayed there for about a year and just this last 3 months put on a kg each month, so now at 58kg.

 

I was so excited when I could eat a piece of toast again with butter and vegemite and still rave over it every time I have it! 

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Over the past couple of weeks I have noticed improved with my nausea and lack of appetite.  Since this all began I have lost 55 lbs. 

 

I can relate to being excited about enjoying eating and raving about it. 

Discontinued Fluoxetine cold turkey after taking it for 12 years. Stopped taking Fluoxetine in August 2015.

My current withdrawal symptoms: Itchy skin, smell hallucination, hot flashes, night sweats, insomnia, and anxiety. 

Synthroid for hypothyroidism.

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Hey everybody,

I got diagnosed a few weeks ago with Gastroparesis (via gastric emptying test, result: severely delayed) after having a bloated, aching stomach and constant belching/retching since 3 month after I took a tablet of Sertraline/Zoloft on an empty stomach. These symptoms occured within minutes after I swallowed the medication only with water. This happened twice after taking the medication for like 6 weeks in the middle of this year. The first time, it went away after 2 weeks. Second time, I am stuck with it. 

I believe there is a significant difference regarding effects of SSRIs on the stomach between taking it on food or on an empty stomach - at least long term wise. Since I was on Escitalopram for a year in 2015 and on Sertraline during 2016, where I took it mostly on an empty stomach without not so severe gastrointestinal side effects, my theory is, that those effects somehow accumulated and peaked in a sensitive stomach, now getting easily triggered by (especially) taking the med on empty.

Needless to say, I am no longer taking Sertraline (or any other SSRI) - stopped right at the first incident and only tried to cushion withdrawal symptoms when taking it a few days before the second incident. I never had any trouble with my stomach before - I am a healthy and athletic 32yo male.

Gastroenterologist confirmed, that SSRIs alter the enteric nervous system in terms of impulses regulating the stomach (and guts) motility. As we all know, they interfere heavily with the central nervous system, which again is one of the (not so well explored) causes for stomach motility disorders like gastroparesis and functional dyspepsia. There are several reports on the internet of people relating their gastroparesis to the administration of SSRIs. There is a study documenting significant effects of Citalopram on the emptying duration of the stomach https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21118281 There are several studies exploring the effects of SSRI in the treatment of said disorders (which again implies that they interfere with crucial parameters).

Man, if i'd just known before taking that pill..that **** cannot be cured whatsoever.

 

Can anyone here relate here to my story and symptoms? :)

 

 

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tyof, please see above. These effects on digestion are probably related to the autonomic nervous system and other types of dysautonomia.

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1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

tyof, please see above. These effects on digestion are probably related to the autonomic nervous system and other types of dysautonomia.

bummer you merged it. with a thread, thats 2 years old, just because it's a similar issue (yet, for me it was no effect from the tapering but a direct adverse reaction)? 😕

thats not been done with every other thread, that has the same issue than another - if so, there would only be like a few hundred threads here ;)

 

2topic: wouldnt there be other symptoms when having a dysautonomia?

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the new fad now in homeopathy and mainstream naturopathy is to assume the gut brain axis can be understood via bacteria dysbiosis and the principles of good vs bad bacteria....its often referred to as "leaky gut" or in actual medical literature as "intestinal permeability" but the more i read the more i am realizing there are no tests being done for this, its mostly speculative, and for people with actual permeability, it can be demonstrated with scans....and is usually caused by something NOT medicine related. so why is my gut in so much pain? why is it that Serotonin drugs cause so much disruption to the gut and we all feel it in withdrawal, for me its been 7 years of pure agony in my gut region and all of us are suffering from food intolerances.....

 

honestly, ive tried every leaky gut protocol in the book, some for months and months, nothings ever worked, and im beginning to suspect the leaky gut thing is complete nonsense for most of us, and that because serotonin is responsible for "gastric emptying" or pushing food down the stomach, perhaps what is happening is that because our receptors have been down regulated, our ability to empty food is disrupted and the vagus nerve is irritated, so there is food build up and intestinal spasms/tightness because of disrupted serotonin.....but this is not where the pain comes in, the pain is coming from other hormonal signals. 

 

usually, in the wild, if we were to feel threatened, our hormonal signals to flee would turn on and everything else in the body would stop working so we could pour resources into running and problem solving for survival, which means digestion turns off, most organs stop doing their job, blood flows differently.....which means adrenaline turns ON and calming hormones like serotonin which empty food turn OFF . so when you artificially turn serotonin signaling OFF , digestion is impaired, and that impairment of digestion is what signals adrenaline to turn ON, its like a feedback loop, one turns the other on....i think most of us have food intolerances because food is simply not digesting right now, which is turning on negative hormones, its those hormones that we are plagued by, not really the digestion.....and what i am reading is people keep saying stay away from foods that cause inflammation.....but thats assuming we have leaky gut......

 

in gastroparesis diet, eating white bread and white rice and things that are extremely simple carbohydrates and simple protein like pure protein powder/chicken breast with no skin or fat is HELPFUL because it gets pushed down the easiest.....and in the leaky gut diet, omega 3 fats are assumed to help, and fibers like inulin etc are prebiotic fibers that help you with inflammation....but if gastroparesis is the real problem, your best bet would be eating white bread/white rice/simple sugars like fruit jelly with no fiber, and liquid protein or skinless chicken breast......i have to believe the leaky gut thing isnt true, since most of us aren't benefitting immensely from it. and have to consider the possibility that the simplest foods (which of course have little nutritional value) are the easiest to digest , and when you calm down gastric emptying perhaps you can start absorbing nutrients again, and contribute to a healthier system. now im not under the impression that the serotonin theory is correct AT ALL, but there are some things that are definitely true, like the 5ht receptor is involved in gastric emptying, and when thats impaired, a cascade of negative hormones are released.....we understand that much at least. i dont know just posing a theory, worth considering 

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im starting a gastroparesis diet for a few months, will let everyone know the results

 

white bread, white rice, chicken breast, liquid protein ENSURE which aids in nutritional deficits , things like this , even fruit jam with no fiber and pectin/table sugar 

 

 

zero fiber, zero fats, lean protein super simple carbs, liquid meals (ensure is great for this because its HIGH protein, zero fat and fiber, its liquid and has tons of nutrients) 

 

lets see what this does for my stomach, if gastric emptying is the real problem, pushing food down faster will contribute to different hormonal responses and my body may adapt to it, rather then slowing down digestion with high fat /fiber foods (which are usually healthy foods like omega 3s, and veggies)

 

ill let you all know how this goes for me.

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In withdrawal the usual things to apply I find. I eat a lot of fibre and drink plenty of water but still have constipation. My bowels and the muscles won’t relax and release. 

 

I have lupus and a while back I read that auto immunity was leaky guy. I changed my diet and managed to control the symptoms but I just ate more fruit veg and grains. I never did any leaky gut protocol I just ate whole foods and minimal meat and almost non existent dairy. 

 

While I do believe that disease starts in the gut I don’t believe in the leaky guy theory. These have just been my experiences 

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on 100 for 4 weeks. Then 50 for two weeks 25 for two weeks and 25 every other day for a week 

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I read your intro. I’m really sorry that you are suffering so much. I hope you get better man. I really do. 

Put on sertraline in January 2016 50 mg. 100mg Feb 16-May18 

may 18 50 mg some withdrawals 

august 18 rapid taper off. September 22 put on 50 mg due to withdrawals 

 2 weeks later up to 100mg. Bad reaction 

on 100 for 4 weeks. Then 50 for two weeks 25 for two weeks and 25 every other day for a week 

off since 8 December having waves and windows 

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9 hours ago, Ryguy said:

zero fiber, zero fats, lean protein super simple carbs, liquid meals (ensure is great for this because its HIGH protein, zero fat and fiber, its liquid and has tons of nutrients) 

 

I'd love to hear how you go. I've been trying to work out my gut issues for a long time with no success. I do know that low fat isn't good for me (higher fat = much better moods) so I won't be trying your diet just now, but I'd love to hear your results.

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January 2013 started Sertraline, over time worked up to 100mg

July 2014 Sertraline dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for six months, slower tapering until 2019 22 Dec 3.2mg

2020 Sertraline 19 Jan 3.1mg, 26 Jan 3.0mg; 1 Mar 2.9, 7 Mar 2.8, May (some drops here) 24 May 2.5, May 29 2.4, June 21 2.3, June 28 2.2mg,  July 4 2.1mg, July 24 (or maybe a bit before) 2mg, early Nov switched to home made suspension; 29 Nov 1.8mg; approx 25 Dec 1.6mg)

2021 Some time in about Jan/Feb realised probably on more like 1.8mg and poss mixing error in making suspension; doses after 10 Feb accurate; 10 Feb 1.6mg; 7 Mar 1.4, continued monthly

10% drops until 1mg, then dropped 0.1mg monthly.

May 2022,0.1mg, now dropping 0.01mg per week

My thread here at SA: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1775-bubbles/page/18/

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13 hours ago, bubbles said:

 

I'd love to hear how you go. I've been trying to work out my gut issues for a long time with no success. I do know that low fat isn't good for me (higher fat = much better moods) so I won't be trying your diet just now, but I'd love to hear your results.

thank you i appreciate your concern, i hope you sort out your gut issues as well, and ill let you know how it goes. omega 3 fats seem to help me (i think), but im never really sure what helps me in the end , the things that DEFINITELY help my energy levels, but they wire me as well, are B vitamins , and some Aminos like (theanine, 5htp, taurine) these things seem to help a lot, which come naturally in high protein foods (except the 5htp) , since i dont want to mess with unnatural things, right now im trying High Protein drinks and meals, with multivitamin, and if i ingest carbs its simple sugars like corn syrup solids in the protein drink or maybe white bread with chicken breast. ill post my results on this thread in the next few months, let me know how your diets go as well :) 

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ill post my results on this thread in the next few months, let me know how your diets go as well :) 

Please do post results. 

 

I'm gearing up for a celiac test so I'm eating loads of bread and pasta. After that I'll be in a better position to try things out. I think a low carb whole food diet with plenty of animal food has been good for me but that eliminates bread and while I'm preparing for the celiac test I need to be eating bread. 

 

I should also say that the low fat comment was in no way a criticism of what you're doing!! I just notice that for me my mood is better when I eat plenty of fat (keto amounts, probably) and while I'm withdrawing I need yo be very careful of my mood. Mood outweighs gut at present.

2005 St John's Wort / 2006-2012 Lexapro 20mg, 2 failed attempts to stop, tapered over 4.5 months in early 2012

January 2013 started Sertraline, over time worked up to 100mg

July 2014 Sertraline dropped from 100mg to 75mg, held for six months, slower tapering until 2019 22 Dec 3.2mg

2020 Sertraline 19 Jan 3.1mg, 26 Jan 3.0mg; 1 Mar 2.9, 7 Mar 2.8, May (some drops here) 24 May 2.5, May 29 2.4, June 21 2.3, June 28 2.2mg,  July 4 2.1mg, July 24 (or maybe a bit before) 2mg, early Nov switched to home made suspension; 29 Nov 1.8mg; approx 25 Dec 1.6mg)

2021 Some time in about Jan/Feb realised probably on more like 1.8mg and poss mixing error in making suspension; doses after 10 Feb accurate; 10 Feb 1.6mg; 7 Mar 1.4, continued monthly

10% drops until 1mg, then dropped 0.1mg monthly.

May 2022,0.1mg, now dropping 0.01mg per week

My thread here at SA: https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/1775-bubbles/page/18/

CurrentSertraline: 0.08mg / Armour Thyroid

 

 

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It’s been about four days now on that gastroperesis diet and no bueno haha, the white bread and fiberless food has constipated me and also effected my mood negatively , I’m reintroducing some fat based foods, mct oil, more fish, avocado and chia , let’s see if that helps

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It's very unlikely it's leaky gut and if it was gastroparesis you wouldn't keep anything down. I think the reason so many of us have stomach problems when we come off these drugs is the serotonin change in the gut. Since most of our serotonin is made there, changes can cause motility to slow down, pains, inflammation, spasms, etc. For me, antidepressants always kept my chronic gut problems at bay. I'd go off and have a slew of problems, go back on and instantly back to normal. The best diet I have found is the specific carbohydrate diet. Basically cutting way back on carbs and sugar, and also reducing fiber because fiber can cause a lot of stomach pain. I've come to learn in withdrawal usually there is no actual medical problem- withdrawal just presents itself in weird ways that look and feel like all kinds of different illnesses. 

 

If food intolerances are a concern you may want to get tested for sibo. If you have an overgrowth of normal gut bacteria where it's not supposed to be (the small intestine) you'll have all the symptoms you describe.

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20 hours ago, KMart95 said:

It's very unlikely it's leaky gut and if it was gastroparesis you wouldn't keep anything down. I think the reason so many of us have stomach problems when we come off these drugs is the serotonin change in the gut. Since most of our serotonin is made there, changes can cause motility to slow down, pains, inflammation, spasms, etc. For me, antidepressants always kept my chronic gut problems at bay. I'd go off and have a slew of problems, go back on and instantly back to normal. The best diet I have found is the specific carbohydrate diet. Basically cutting way back on carbs and sugar, and also reducing fiber because fiber can cause a lot of stomach pain. I've come to learn in withdrawal usually there is no actual medical problem- withdrawal just presents itself in weird ways that look and feel like all kinds of different illnesses. 

 

If food intolerances are a concern you may want to get tested for sibo. If you have an overgrowth of normal gut bacteria where it's not supposed to be (the small intestine) you'll have all the symptoms you describe.

i tried leaky gut and gastroparesis, neither worked , so you are probably right regarding serotonin, I'm doing a kinda SIBO style diet right now anyway, the things i can't digest are sugar/starch/fiber/high protein/dairy/ even too much water........Fat based foods seem to work fine. salmon/avocado/coconut yogurt....these things are as of now the ONLY things that dont upset me, in fact this MCT oil im currently trying with high doses is really easing symptoms. it seems also that throwing down serotonin precursors (vitamins and aminos) also inflames me, because my body is not hanging on to it, it seems the serotonin connection is correct, but i must have down regulated receptors and an injured system, so serotonin supplements just make me worse.....im sticking with high fat for now because im reading Omega 3 and MCT oils and healthy fats can actually "repair" damaged neuronal systems , that the only real player in neurogenesis is fat....so im gonna stick with this and see what happens. got nothing left to lose at this point anyway haha , i guess the name for what im doing is Ketogenic, but im going hard with it 

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On 8/28/2019 at 4:26 PM, Heal95 said:

In withdrawal the usual things to apply I find. I eat a lot of fibre and drink plenty of water but still have constipation. My bowels and the muscles won’t relax and release. 

 

I have lupus and a while back I read that auto immunity was leaky guy. I changed my diet and managed to control the symptoms but I just ate more fruit veg and grains. I never did any leaky gut protocol I just ate whole foods and minimal meat and almost non existent dairy. 

 

While I do believe that disease starts in the gut I don’t believe in the leaky guy theory. These have just been my experiences 

You should check out lectins and see what foods contain them. I am a strong believer in the leaky gut theory. As I had numerous health issues( Alopecia Areata/Universalis, Erythema multiforme and numerous other sensitivities to foods/certain deodorants(would give me full body hives)) all of which are autoimmune. 

After removing certain foods and healing my gut. I no longer have the sensitivities to those items and my alopecia is reversing after 4 years of having no hair. 

As far as I am concerned the proof is in the results. I was on the lifestyle for 40 days and NEVER EVER felt as good in my life. After that I knew I could come off this AD. So now wds kick my butt. That is very minor for the positives I saw and i know they will come back after this drug withdrawal is finished. 

I follow The Plant Paradox lifestyle by Dr.Gundry. This lifestyle has given me my life back and I feel better than I have ever felt in my life. It has enabled me to finally get off of this medication and truly live my life. Nutrition is the key to health!!!!! 

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2017 - Attempted a tapered discontinuation of this drug and reinstated after being unsuccessful.

2019 - Feb. 12 - After a three month taper I am off of paroxetine. The 3 months were terrible, awful withdrawal feelings. I followed the doctors guidelines for the reduction of this drug and now know it was way too fast. 
2019 - Oct. 12 - 8 months off paroxetine. 75% improvement since coming off the drug. Definitely have had tons of challenges along the way. Let’s go!!!! 

2021 - Feb. 12 - 24 months off paroxetine. I have minor challenges now. Tinnitus/Headaches are still around but are reduced by a massive amount. 

 

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I've been hospitalized and had two surgeries for ileus and they said I have total gastroparesis. No movement at all after withddrawing from ADs. No diet works for it. I have to take laxatives every day for it. I've tried probiotics with no results, high fiber diets, low fiber diets, vegetarian diet etc etc. None worked for me but if anyone has any success with diets, I'm happy for you. 

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On 9/8/2019 at 10:56 PM, icequeen said:

I've been hospitalized and had two surgeries for ileus and they said I have total gastroparesis. No movement at all after withddrawing from ADs. No diet works for it. I have to take laxatives every day for it. I've tried probiotics with no results, high fiber diets, low fiber diets, vegetarian diet etc etc. None worked for me but if anyone has any success with diets, I'm happy for you. 

Hey hope you’re doing ok, diets don’t seem to work , I think for me high fat seemed to alleviate inflammation by about 15 percent but no reversing of problems, I’m still struggling with life, hope you’re progressing 

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High fat does not work for me. I tried but it made my shortness of breath worse. I seem to be back in the first year again at moment. Horrible cramps and stiffness all over and gasping for air. Inflamed, burning, red, itchy skin. Bedbound again now. Luckily I do get some sleep. Hope you feel better soon, Ryguy.

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On 8/28/2019 at 11:05 PM, Ryguy said:

the new fad now in homeopathy and mainstream naturopathy is to assume the gut brain axis can be understood via bacteria dysbiosis and the principles of good vs bad bacteria....its often referred to as "leaky gut" or in actual medical literature as "intestinal permeability" but the more i read the more i am realizing there are no tests being done for this, its mostly speculative, and for people with actual permeability, it can be demonstrated with scans....and is usually caused by something NOT medicine related. so why is my gut in so much pain? why is it that Serotonin drugs cause so much disruption to the gut and we all feel it in withdrawal, for me its been 7 years of pure agony in my gut region and all of us are suffering from food intolerances.....

 

honestly, ive tried every leaky gut protocol in the book, some for months and months, nothings ever worked, and im beginning to suspect the leaky gut thing is complete nonsense for most of us, and that because serotonin is responsible for "gastric emptying" or pushing food down the stomach, perhaps what is happening is that because our receptors have been down regulated, our ability to empty food is disrupted and the vagus nerve is irritated, so there is food build up and intestinal spasms/tightness because of disrupted serotonin.....but this is not where the pain comes in, the pain is coming from other hormonal signals. 

 

usually, in the wild, if we were to feel threatened, our hormonal signals to flee would turn on and everything else in the body would stop working so we could pour resources into running and problem solving for survival, which means digestion turns off, most organs stop doing their job, blood flows differently.....which means adrenaline turns ON and calming hormones like serotonin which empty food turn OFF . so when you artificially turn serotonin signaling OFF , digestion is impaired, and that impairment of digestion is what signals adrenaline to turn ON, its like a feedback loop, one turns the other on....i think most of us have food intolerances because food is simply not digesting right now, which is turning on negative hormones, its those hormones that we are plagued by, not really the digestion.....and what i am reading is people keep saying stay away from foods that cause inflammation.....but thats assuming we have leaky gut......

 

in gastroparesis diet, eating white bread and white rice and things that are extremely simple carbohydrates and simple protein like pure protein powder/chicken breast with no skin or fat is HELPFUL because it gets pushed down the easiest.....and in the leaky gut diet, omega 3 fats are assumed to help, and fibers like inulin etc are prebiotic fibers that help you with inflammation....but if gastroparesis is the real problem, your best bet would be eating white bread/white rice/simple sugars like fruit jelly with no fiber, and liquid protein or skinless chicken breast......i have to believe the leaky gut thing isnt true, since most of us aren't benefitting immensely from it. and have to consider the possibility that the simplest foods (which of course have little nutritional value) are the easiest to digest , and when you calm down gastric emptying perhaps you can start absorbing nutrients again, and contribute to a healthier system. now im not under the impression that the serotonin theory is correct AT ALL, but there are some things that are definitely true, like the 5ht receptor is involved in gastric emptying, and when thats impaired, a cascade of negative hormones are released.....we understand that much at least. i dont know just posing a theory, worth considering 

 

I like your theory Ryguy.

 

After doing a number of diet "protocols" which seemed to have worked at the time, I am now suffering from gastroparesis, and bad reflux since Jan 2020.

 

I feel stuffed after the tiniest of meals, and dread meal time now.

 

Suffer from gas both ends, retching etc.,

 

Completely intolerant to high fat foods, i.e fish and chips, avocados, creamy pasta, cakes etc.,

 

My gut hasn't been functioning  properly in the last couple of months.

 

 

Dose History: 19 Feb 2014 - Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms faded. Held at this dose and experienced "windows and waves". 12 Oct 2017 Reduced dose to 1.25mg. 13 Mar 2018 Reduced dose to 0.625mg (approx.). 16 April 2018 0mg. Windows and waves triggered by stress (IBS/reflux, headaches, sinus issues) Aug 2019 Mirena coil fitted 6 Jan 2020 MAJOR Wave hit 19 months following last dose (protracted WD).  Symptoms listed below Mar 2020 Mirena coil removal.

Therapy: Nov 15th 2016 Re-started therapy Jan 19th 2017 Started CBT Dec 2017 Started listening to Hypnotherapy CD (self-esteem). Nov 2019 Started couples therapy.

Supplements: "Bioglan" Biotic Balance Ultimate Flora 10 billion CFU, live Bacteria, Probiotic, suitable for Vegetarians, with Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium Longum"Pukka" Vitalise a unique blend of 30 energising botanicals.

Diet: 16 April 2018 Detox cleanse / anti-candida for 90 days. Jan 2020 Started "small plate" diet (i.e child size portions).

Exercise: Stretching, Yoga, Pilates, Spinning, Elliptical/upper body workout, walking.

Medical Test Results: 4 Jan 2017 Homeopathic Treatment starts 24 Feb 2017 Started weight loss program 24 Mar 2017 Naturopathic Treatment + anti-Candida diet started due to suspected Candida Related Complex (CRC). DETOXED for 7 weeks to "re-set" gut. April 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Comprehensive Stool Analysis NEGATIVE; Full Blood Count (Normal) / Blood Cholesterol: 5.6 (Borderline) / Blood Sugar (Normal) / 28 Jun 2017 FSH 8.2 / 14 Nov 2017 FSH 17.7 Dec 2017 Blood Cholesterol: 3.9 (Normal) / Kidney Function (Normal) / Blood Sugar (Normal). December 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Food panel allergy (bloodwork) analysis - a few "VERY LOW/VL" allergens; Mar 2018 "Genova Diagnostics" SIBO urine analysis: High Level of Yeast/fungal markers found in small intestine but NO SIBO.  April 2018 Thyroid (Normal) / Full Blood Count (Normal) / FSH (Normal). 16 April 2018 Started anti-Candida diet - 3 month protocol.   25 March 2020 All test results "Normal". CRP" 5 mg/L (normal range to 0-5 mg/L).

Symptoms:  Flu-like symptoms, anxiety, anhedonia, sinus headaches right-side (severe), IBS issues/reflux (severe)**, tinnitus, fatigue, inner tremor, nausea, chills/hot flushes, pounding heart, muscular issues including stiff left hip flexor, intense anger, PSSD (ongoing).  **Histhamine intolerance (suspected).

Major Life Events: 

Re-located to UK from Canada: Jan 2016

My father died: 5:05pm, Monday 5 Feb 2018 Last Lexapro dose: 16 April 2018 (its now been over a year since I quit ADs)  Moved house: Friday 23rd February 2018  "Divorced" toxic Mother: Monday 26 March 2018 Starting working again: 19 November 2018  Diagnosed with: 5th August 2021 PTSD/C-PTSD Diagnosed with: March 2022 Interstitial Cystitis (IC)/Painful bladder syndrome

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3 hours ago, Junglechicken said:

 

I like your theory Ryguy.

 

After doing a number of diet "protocols" which seemed to have worked at the time, I am now suffering from gastroparesis, and bad reflux since Jan 2020.

 

I feel stuffed after the tiniest of meals, and dread meal time now.

 

Suffer from gas both ends, retching etc.,

 

Completely intolerant to high fat foods, i.e fish and chips, avocados, creamy pasta, cakes etc.,

 

My gut hasn't been functioning  properly in the last couple of months.

 

 

How have you been lately? I read you struggled with pssd, i had this for many years, have you made progress? 

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1 minute ago, Ryguy said:

How have you been lately? I read you struggled with pssd, i had this for many years, have you made progress? 

 

Gut wise? Still not good.

 

I think my ND is on vacation.  I wanted to see her before seeing my GP.

 

No change in PSSD unfortunately.

Dose History: 19 Feb 2014 - Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms faded. Held at this dose and experienced "windows and waves". 12 Oct 2017 Reduced dose to 1.25mg. 13 Mar 2018 Reduced dose to 0.625mg (approx.). 16 April 2018 0mg. Windows and waves triggered by stress (IBS/reflux, headaches, sinus issues) Aug 2019 Mirena coil fitted 6 Jan 2020 MAJOR Wave hit 19 months following last dose (protracted WD).  Symptoms listed below Mar 2020 Mirena coil removal.

Therapy: Nov 15th 2016 Re-started therapy Jan 19th 2017 Started CBT Dec 2017 Started listening to Hypnotherapy CD (self-esteem). Nov 2019 Started couples therapy.

Supplements: "Bioglan" Biotic Balance Ultimate Flora 10 billion CFU, live Bacteria, Probiotic, suitable for Vegetarians, with Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium Longum"Pukka" Vitalise a unique blend of 30 energising botanicals.

Diet: 16 April 2018 Detox cleanse / anti-candida for 90 days. Jan 2020 Started "small plate" diet (i.e child size portions).

Exercise: Stretching, Yoga, Pilates, Spinning, Elliptical/upper body workout, walking.

Medical Test Results: 4 Jan 2017 Homeopathic Treatment starts 24 Feb 2017 Started weight loss program 24 Mar 2017 Naturopathic Treatment + anti-Candida diet started due to suspected Candida Related Complex (CRC). DETOXED for 7 weeks to "re-set" gut. April 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Comprehensive Stool Analysis NEGATIVE; Full Blood Count (Normal) / Blood Cholesterol: 5.6 (Borderline) / Blood Sugar (Normal) / 28 Jun 2017 FSH 8.2 / 14 Nov 2017 FSH 17.7 Dec 2017 Blood Cholesterol: 3.9 (Normal) / Kidney Function (Normal) / Blood Sugar (Normal). December 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Food panel allergy (bloodwork) analysis - a few "VERY LOW/VL" allergens; Mar 2018 "Genova Diagnostics" SIBO urine analysis: High Level of Yeast/fungal markers found in small intestine but NO SIBO.  April 2018 Thyroid (Normal) / Full Blood Count (Normal) / FSH (Normal). 16 April 2018 Started anti-Candida diet - 3 month protocol.   25 March 2020 All test results "Normal". CRP" 5 mg/L (normal range to 0-5 mg/L).

Symptoms:  Flu-like symptoms, anxiety, anhedonia, sinus headaches right-side (severe), IBS issues/reflux (severe)**, tinnitus, fatigue, inner tremor, nausea, chills/hot flushes, pounding heart, muscular issues including stiff left hip flexor, intense anger, PSSD (ongoing).  **Histhamine intolerance (suspected).

Major Life Events: 

Re-located to UK from Canada: Jan 2016

My father died: 5:05pm, Monday 5 Feb 2018 Last Lexapro dose: 16 April 2018 (its now been over a year since I quit ADs)  Moved house: Friday 23rd February 2018  "Divorced" toxic Mother: Monday 26 March 2018 Starting working again: 19 November 2018  Diagnosed with: 5th August 2021 PTSD/C-PTSD Diagnosed with: March 2022 Interstitial Cystitis (IC)/Painful bladder syndrome

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5 minutes ago, Junglechicken said:

 

Gut wise? Still not good.

 

I think my ND is on vacation.  I wanted to see her before seeing my GP.

 

No change in PSSD unfortunately.

How long have you had pssd now? 
 

I know gp means general practitioner but what does nd mean?  

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1 minute ago, Ryguy said:

How long have you had pssd now? 
 

I know gp means general practitioner but what does nd mean?  

 

Yes, the PSSD has been ongoing since 2011/12 I reckon.  Not helped by perimenopause either (declining estrogen).

 

ND - Naturopathic Doctor/Practitioner

Dose History: 19 Feb 2014 - Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms faded. Held at this dose and experienced "windows and waves". 12 Oct 2017 Reduced dose to 1.25mg. 13 Mar 2018 Reduced dose to 0.625mg (approx.). 16 April 2018 0mg. Windows and waves triggered by stress (IBS/reflux, headaches, sinus issues) Aug 2019 Mirena coil fitted 6 Jan 2020 MAJOR Wave hit 19 months following last dose (protracted WD).  Symptoms listed below Mar 2020 Mirena coil removal.

Therapy: Nov 15th 2016 Re-started therapy Jan 19th 2017 Started CBT Dec 2017 Started listening to Hypnotherapy CD (self-esteem). Nov 2019 Started couples therapy.

Supplements: "Bioglan" Biotic Balance Ultimate Flora 10 billion CFU, live Bacteria, Probiotic, suitable for Vegetarians, with Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium Longum"Pukka" Vitalise a unique blend of 30 energising botanicals.

Diet: 16 April 2018 Detox cleanse / anti-candida for 90 days. Jan 2020 Started "small plate" diet (i.e child size portions).

Exercise: Stretching, Yoga, Pilates, Spinning, Elliptical/upper body workout, walking.

Medical Test Results: 4 Jan 2017 Homeopathic Treatment starts 24 Feb 2017 Started weight loss program 24 Mar 2017 Naturopathic Treatment + anti-Candida diet started due to suspected Candida Related Complex (CRC). DETOXED for 7 weeks to "re-set" gut. April 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Comprehensive Stool Analysis NEGATIVE; Full Blood Count (Normal) / Blood Cholesterol: 5.6 (Borderline) / Blood Sugar (Normal) / 28 Jun 2017 FSH 8.2 / 14 Nov 2017 FSH 17.7 Dec 2017 Blood Cholesterol: 3.9 (Normal) / Kidney Function (Normal) / Blood Sugar (Normal). December 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Food panel allergy (bloodwork) analysis - a few "VERY LOW/VL" allergens; Mar 2018 "Genova Diagnostics" SIBO urine analysis: High Level of Yeast/fungal markers found in small intestine but NO SIBO.  April 2018 Thyroid (Normal) / Full Blood Count (Normal) / FSH (Normal). 16 April 2018 Started anti-Candida diet - 3 month protocol.   25 March 2020 All test results "Normal". CRP" 5 mg/L (normal range to 0-5 mg/L).

Symptoms:  Flu-like symptoms, anxiety, anhedonia, sinus headaches right-side (severe), IBS issues/reflux (severe)**, tinnitus, fatigue, inner tremor, nausea, chills/hot flushes, pounding heart, muscular issues including stiff left hip flexor, intense anger, PSSD (ongoing).  **Histhamine intolerance (suspected).

Major Life Events: 

Re-located to UK from Canada: Jan 2016

My father died: 5:05pm, Monday 5 Feb 2018 Last Lexapro dose: 16 April 2018 (its now been over a year since I quit ADs)  Moved house: Friday 23rd February 2018  "Divorced" toxic Mother: Monday 26 March 2018 Starting working again: 19 November 2018  Diagnosed with: 5th August 2021 PTSD/C-PTSD Diagnosed with: March 2022 Interstitial Cystitis (IC)/Painful bladder syndrome

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5 minutes ago, Junglechicken said:

 

Yes, the PSSD has been ongoing since 2011/12 I reckon.  Not helped by perimenopause either (declining estrogen).

 

ND - Naturopathic Doctor/Practitioner

Never seen a naturopath , not sure it would help for protracted withdrawal....maybe im  wrong. Wow 9 years  of pssd? How these drugs are even legal will never register in my mind....ever 

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1 hour ago, Ryguy said:

Never seen a naturopath , not sure it would help for protracted withdrawal....maybe im  wrong. Wow 9 years  of pssd? How these drugs are even legal will never register in my mind....ever 

Hope you heal soon. Ive had wd for 7 years 

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7 hours ago, Ryguy said:

Never seen a naturopath , not sure it would help for protracted withdrawal....maybe im  wrong. Wow 9 years  of pssd? How these drugs are even legal will never register in my mind....ever 

 

Ah, I didn't start taking Lexapro until Feb 2014.

 

Before that date, lack of libido would have been down to clinical depression.

 

PSSD would have started post incorrect taper - Sep 2015?

 

I agree, these drugs should be illegal.

 

 

Dose History: 19 Feb 2014 - Escitalopram 10mg daily June 2015 - Started taper, 5mg every other day July 2015 - 5mg every 2 days August 2015 - 5mg every 3 days September 2015 - 5mg every 4 days Sept 14th - Completed tapering, but at 7 weeks "drug free" I suffered serious WD symptoms as a consequence of "incorrect" tapering. Nov 25 2015 - Re-instated Cipralex @ 2.5mg daily. WD symptoms faded. Held at this dose and experienced "windows and waves". 12 Oct 2017 Reduced dose to 1.25mg. 13 Mar 2018 Reduced dose to 0.625mg (approx.). 16 April 2018 0mg. Windows and waves triggered by stress (IBS/reflux, headaches, sinus issues) Aug 2019 Mirena coil fitted 6 Jan 2020 MAJOR Wave hit 19 months following last dose (protracted WD).  Symptoms listed below Mar 2020 Mirena coil removal.

Therapy: Nov 15th 2016 Re-started therapy Jan 19th 2017 Started CBT Dec 2017 Started listening to Hypnotherapy CD (self-esteem). Nov 2019 Started couples therapy.

Supplements: "Bioglan" Biotic Balance Ultimate Flora 10 billion CFU, live Bacteria, Probiotic, suitable for Vegetarians, with Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium Longum"Pukka" Vitalise a unique blend of 30 energising botanicals.

Diet: 16 April 2018 Detox cleanse / anti-candida for 90 days. Jan 2020 Started "small plate" diet (i.e child size portions).

Exercise: Stretching, Yoga, Pilates, Spinning, Elliptical/upper body workout, walking.

Medical Test Results: 4 Jan 2017 Homeopathic Treatment starts 24 Feb 2017 Started weight loss program 24 Mar 2017 Naturopathic Treatment + anti-Candida diet started due to suspected Candida Related Complex (CRC). DETOXED for 7 weeks to "re-set" gut. April 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Comprehensive Stool Analysis NEGATIVE; Full Blood Count (Normal) / Blood Cholesterol: 5.6 (Borderline) / Blood Sugar (Normal) / 28 Jun 2017 FSH 8.2 / 14 Nov 2017 FSH 17.7 Dec 2017 Blood Cholesterol: 3.9 (Normal) / Kidney Function (Normal) / Blood Sugar (Normal). December 2017 "Genova Diagnostics" Food panel allergy (bloodwork) analysis - a few "VERY LOW/VL" allergens; Mar 2018 "Genova Diagnostics" SIBO urine analysis: High Level of Yeast/fungal markers found in small intestine but NO SIBO.  April 2018 Thyroid (Normal) / Full Blood Count (Normal) / FSH (Normal). 16 April 2018 Started anti-Candida diet - 3 month protocol.   25 March 2020 All test results "Normal". CRP" 5 mg/L (normal range to 0-5 mg/L).

Symptoms:  Flu-like symptoms, anxiety, anhedonia, sinus headaches right-side (severe), IBS issues/reflux (severe)**, tinnitus, fatigue, inner tremor, nausea, chills/hot flushes, pounding heart, muscular issues including stiff left hip flexor, intense anger, PSSD (ongoing).  **Histhamine intolerance (suspected).

Major Life Events: 

Re-located to UK from Canada: Jan 2016

My father died: 5:05pm, Monday 5 Feb 2018 Last Lexapro dose: 16 April 2018 (its now been over a year since I quit ADs)  Moved house: Friday 23rd February 2018  "Divorced" toxic Mother: Monday 26 March 2018 Starting working again: 19 November 2018  Diagnosed with: 5th August 2021 PTSD/C-PTSD Diagnosed with: March 2022 Interstitial Cystitis (IC)/Painful bladder syndrome

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On 2/18/2020 at 2:42 PM, Junglechicken said:

 

I like your theory Ryguy.

 

After doing a number of diet "protocols" which seemed to have worked at the time, I am now suffering from gastroparesis, and bad reflux since Jan 2020.

 

I feel stuffed after the tiniest of meals, and dread meal time now.

 

Suffer from gas both ends, retching etc.,

 

Completely intolerant to high fat foods, i.e fish and chips, avocados, creamy pasta, cakes etc.,

 

My gut hasn't been functioning  properly in the last couple of months.

@Junglechicken Hi there. I'm currently experiencing the same issues. Did they clear up for you? Was there anything that helped? 

Current: Bupropion 450mg, Neurontin 800mg, Klonopin 0.5mg

History:

July 2020: started Cogentin 1mg, Lamictal 50mg, Zoloft 150mg, Zyprexa 5mg (+5mg as needed), Klonopin 0.5mg

November 2020: stopped all meds cold-turkey

February 2021: started Latuda 60mg, Lithium 300mg, Melatonin 5mg, Protonix 40mg, Topamax 25mg

2 weeks later: stopped Topamax, increased Lithium 900mg, started Klonopin 1mg, Lexapro 20mg, Neurontin 400mg

April 2021: started Bupropion 150mg, Revia ?mg

May 2021: stopped ReviaProtonixLexaproincreased Neurontin 800mg, started Celexa 10mg

August 2021: decreased Celexa 5mg (stopped Celexa 2 weeks later), increased Bupropion 300mg

September 2021: increased Latuda 80mg

October 2021: decreased Lithium 600mg for 4 daysLithium 300mg for 4 daysstopped LithiumLatuda

     increased Bupropion 450mg, started Remeron 15mg, decreased Remeron 7.5mg, stopped Remeron

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