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Thank you for sharing that! 

I've tried most of them, to calm down a little, and in my experience (of course, everybody's system is different)...

 

Very effective: L-theanine, 

Effective to some extent: NAC, Hawthorn extract, Hop extract, Inositol, Magnesium, Zinc

Effective at first: Passion flower extract, Valerian Root, California Poppy, GABA, Bacopa

Arousing: B vitamins (even in the MTHFR form), L-Glutammine, Calcium, Curcumine 

No visible effects: Omega-3, Tart Cherry Juice, D Vitamin, Potassium, Melatonin 

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Klonopin (4th April 2016-28th September 2016) for a relentless insomnia caused by an adverse reaction to Levofloxacin (25th - 29th March 2016). I tried other benzos for a couple of days but they were ineffective (Xanax, Halcion, Ambien).

Trazodone (Since June 2016, up to 80 mg/day at night time). Seroquel instant relapse (25 mg, first August-September 2016. Another try, 25 mgs before and 17.75 mg then, from January to present). I take both at night time.

Seroquel XR (a tiny 50 mg) proved to be ineffective.

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In the search for a Pdoc who acknowledges the fact of, and is experienced working on, withdrawal from SSRIs has anyone ended up in the office of a new Pdoc ("holistic," with reference in website to helping patients withdraw from psychotropic medications) who sells (cash or check only) supplements and proprietary compounds of supplements out of the office?  And/or, who responds to a patient seeking help with WD/tapering an SSRI by ignoring the WD subject, suggesting instead staying at current dose for now (baseline), but (1) obtaining a costly "comprehensive panel" of blood tests to determine (2) which of several supplements from three separate categories that help the sympathetic nervous system to "quiet" and also help to "lift" depressive symptoms (no acknowledgment of WD at work) will be useful?  Followed by a string of supplement names to indicate a "sampling" of what might be on offer -  vitamin C, "multivitamin,"  theanine, GABA, taurine, fish oil, and some bottled liquids with names like "Calm Heart" (clearly multi-supp concoction) ... to name just a few ...

 

I did not know whether to laugh or cry.  In the context of this thread, there was no indication that the Pdoc had any inkling that throwing supplements onto WD- induced hypersensitive autonomic nervous systems is like playing Russian roulette with the patient.

 

Meanwhile, I have been taking Magnesium Citrate 300mg twice daily since last week and just started Vitamin C thanks to Allostrata's suggestion.  Fish oil has made me nauseous (in the distant past), but I may add tablets or gelcaps as SA provides much support for those. 

 

 

 

 

 

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History 1996-2016.  1996-1997 Prozac 10mg.  1997-2007 Paxil 20mg  (CT - severe WD for @ 6 months w/o knowing what it was).  Early 2008. Paxil 60mg. 2013. Ativan 0.5. 2014- Ativan 1.02015 - Ativan 1.5  (0.5  am + pm + night).  2016: Paxil 60mg.  Ativan 1.5mg.

Early Feb. 2017 - Paxil 80 - Ativan 3mg 
April 2017.   Paxil 70. Ativan 2.5 (1mg am, 0.5 noon, 1mg eve).
May 2017: Paxil 60; Ativan 2.0 (0.5 am, 0.5 pm, 1.0 eve)
June 2017: Paxil 50.  Ativan 2.0 (0.5 am, 0.5 pm, 1.0 eve)
July 2017: Paxil 45. Ativan 1.5 ( 0.5 am, 0.5, pm, 0.5 eve)
August 2017:  Paxil 42.5. Ativan 1.25 (0.5/0.25/0.5 (2 weeks), then 1.0 (0.25/0.25/0.5) (holding through September)
Start  September 2017: Paxil 40.0 Ativan 1.0
Dec. 2017: Paxil 40.  Ativan 0.75 (eve dose tapered to  0.25 over 4 weeks 3 cuts & 10 day holds).
Jan.13 2018:  Paxil  37. Ativan 0.75
Jan. 30 2018:  Paxil  34. Ativan 0.75 
Feb. 13 2018: Paxil 31. Ativan 0.75
March 1, 2018 - Paxil 37.  Ativan 0.75
 
Supplements: Vit C, MultiVitamin, Iron tablet. 3/18/18 - Omega-3 Fish Oil Capsules (2 x day).  
 
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I take  a supplement called Cortisol Manager.  It ashwagandha root, L-Theanine, and magnolia bark extract.  I get it from my naturopath and take it one hour before bed.  It seems to help me with calmness.

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i was taking Lithium carbonate 300mg twice a day and got a hand tremor, switched to Depacote, rash then Lomictal 200mg and zyprexa then Seroquill.  I cut off all my medications except Lomictal and worked with a naturopath and took homeopathic pills for 2 years, j

June 2014 through October 2016.  I got down to 45 mg of Lomictal.  Started on lithium 300mg twice a day, Lomictal 200mg once a day, and repirdone which I took once and then refused to take.  January 2017  began  Wellbrutrin 150mg once a day, and Seroquill 25 mg at bedtime, Seroquill was reduced 25 mg at a time over several months.

 

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Anyone have any experience with point of return ? I see some positive stories on YouTube videos and some positive reviews.

 

Everyone at SA has been and continues to be a big help but I feel I can never be over prepared for this journey. Let me know thanks!

-JAN 18' - aug 18’ -22.5mg temazapam + 7.5-15mg remeron  for insomnia. —Aug 18’ temazapam switched to ambien 10mg

-AUG 18’ - April/May 19’ Taper off remeron 

-Mid july 19’ - one week of  200mg Gabapentin c/t  —-mid July 19”-  3 weeks of 50mg trazadone fast tapered 

-July 19’- began random use of .5 Xanax rarely to get rest 

- Mid Aug 19’ - one day of viibryd, 7 days of cymbalta 30mg, 3 days of seroquel 25-50mg

-Aug- 1 wk of Klonopin .5-.75 fast taper 

-Sep 19’ tried trazadone 50 again (still on ambien 10mg)  some time in sep 19’ was c/t off 10mg ambien because was thought to have become ineffective

-oct 7 c/t trazadone and restarted 7.5 remeron holding since 

12/3/19  at 7.5 after a 2 day attempt compounded 7mg. Jan 2020  dry taper from 7.5 |Oct 1 at 6.4 high disruption to sleep began |oct 20 Updosed to 6.6 |oct 26 updosed to 6.8 holding. Jan 26 updosed to 7.5 holding till stable.

supplements 400mg magnesium glycinate nightly

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Has anyone heard of or used the Point of Return program? It is a nonprofit organization started by a woman named Alesandra Rains that specializes in helping people taper from antidepressants, Benzos, etc. I wondered if anybody had any info. It sounds good, but I know cons like to prey on people who are hurting. 
 

pointofreturn.com

 

I hope it’s ok to ask this question here. I searched and couldn’t find any info.

 

Thanks

Nexium and other PPIs: 1997-2019. Currently Nexium 20mg, 4/22 - 17.5mg

Lexapro: 2003-2018 back and forth between 20mg and 10mg. June 2018 CT.

Luvox for a few weeks, then Reinstated Lexapro 20mg. April 2018 quit Lexapro CT.

Buspirone: 2013-2017 10mg on and off.

Zyrtec: 2016 Stopped April 2022.

Effexor XR: August 2018-150mg. Sept. 2019-139 mg. Oct. 2019-122mg Dec 2019-112mg Feb. 2020-101mg Apr 2020-93mg

May 2020-75mg Aug 2020-66mg Sept 2020-53mg Nov 2020-37.5mg 12/14/20-20mg 1/18/21-12mg 2/15/21-7mg/19 beads 8/23/21-6.3mg/16 beads 4/5/22 UPDOSE-7mg

Klonopin: August 2018 2mg daily. April 2019 began taper. June 2019 .25mg. Sept. 2019. 0.2mg. 3/17/22 UPDOSE-0.3mg

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1 hour ago, InChristAlone said:

Has anyone heard of or used the Point of Return program?

SA doesn't recommend any supplement program, for reasons explained in this link.  Point of Return is mentioned in one of the posts.

Truehope, The Road Back, LabelMeSane - Symptoms and ..

Gridley Introduction

 

Lexapro 20 mg since 2004.  Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017.   

End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg 

End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg

End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg  

Oct. 30, 2020  Jump to zero from 0.025mg.  Current dose: 0.000mg

3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete.

 

Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements

Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium

Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper.   

March 22, 2022: hold at 4.8mg and shift to Imipramine taper

Aug. 5, 2022: shift back to Valium taper.  

Current dose as of Sept. 22, 2022: 3.5mg

Taper is 81% complete.

 

Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986.  Jan-Sept 2016 tapered to 16mg.  

Held until Aug 2021, tapered for 4 weeks to 14.4mg

March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper.  Current dose as of Aug. 5: 9.5mg 

Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5 and shift to Valium taper

Taper is 87% complete.  

  

Supplements: omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotic, zinc, melatonin .3mg


I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs.

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Please note there are several posters in this topic who registered specifically to respond to our clear lack of recommendation for these commercial supplement programs. They have 1-3 posts and have participated nowhere else on this site but in this topic.

 

At least one is an employee of one of these visitors and a prolific poster on social media attesting to how effective the supplement program was for her.

 

This is very typical of these programs. They have employees or devoted followers who post everywhere about the help they've gotten from these supplement programs. Many of the stories are about dramatic miracle cures where medical care failed.

 

Please also note that over the years, The Road Back, Truehope, whatever Jim Harper is calling his many companies, have changed their advice about tapering to match the 10% exponential taper we advise here.

 

Tapering is the secret sauce to getting off psychiatric drugs, not supplements. If people follow a gradual taper schedule while taking an expensive supplement package, they may attribute any success to the supplements (as the supplement company support people and diligent promotion encourage them to think), but that's coincidental to tapering. It is the tapering that works, not magical supplement programs.

 

These companies also do not know what to do when a taper goes wrong. We know that because those people come here.

 

Where these companies have supplied "scientific documentation", I have looked carefully at it, and found it's either animal studies, studies with questionable designs or conclusions, or otherwise not applicable to tapering psychiatric drugs and withdrawal syndrome.

 

Whatever "scientific documentation" is provided, it does not support the hyperbolic claims of these commercial enterprises. These companies plant infomercials everywhere there might be susceptible people. Here's an example (about the Alternative to Meds Center in Arizona, also not recommended by us) of this on MadinAmerica.com. It is a promotional piece by a paid consultant.

 

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Unfortunately I didn’t read up on any of this valuable information and bought the supplements from true hope. I took 1 vitamin and 2 of the 4 amino acids and felt worse than usual . My depression and anxiety was heightened more than usual which is already severe . Very pricey mistake 

1998-2019Prozac 10mg

2020 slow taper to 4.25 mg crashed.7/2=10mg Prozac.7/7=4mg Prozac +5mg trintellix.7/11=2mg pro+5mg trin .7/20=10mg Prozac.7/23=10mg Prozac+2mg abilify 7/25 20mg Prozac +2mg abilify 8/5 drop abilify 8/12=10mg Prozac 8/23 15mg Prozac 9/9 10mg Prozac +15 mg Wellbutrin 9/25=10mg Prozac +25mg pamelor 11/16=10mg Prozac +20mg pamelor 12/21= 20 mg pamelor +Prozac 10mg every other day

2021/ 1/20 = pamelor 20mg dropped Prozac 10mg.1/24 reinstated 10 mg Prozac +pamelor 20mg 1/28 =5mg Prozac +20 mg pamelor 2/28 10 mg Prozac + 25 mg pamelor 3/29 pamelor 10mg +Prozac 10mg 4/2 pamelor 20 mg + Prozac 10mg 5/17 Prozac 10mg + pamelor 10 mg 6/24 10mg Prozac only. 8/21 Prozac 20mg 11/20 Prozac 30mg

2022/ 1/22 pristiq 25mg, 2/16 pristiq 20 mg, June 11 to18 mg

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