Cipro: Solving cognitive issues with dopamine

[Cipro]

Firstly, I want to say i don’t know English well.

 

I have generally high IQ. My memory and motor coordination was very powerful.

 

I used Prozac for 36 days / 10 mg. While using, i notice some cognitive impairments. I stopped it suddenly after told my doctor.

After 20 days, i lost my ‘all’ emotions and movement capabilities. I must try 3 times to write one word properly. I can’t play FPS games now.

My emotions and of course sexual desires gone. I think it’s called PSSD.

 

 

I researched as much as i can but couldn’t find any solid answer. In longecity, people think they are all maybe caused by dopamine inhibition.

Serotonine autoreceptor desensitization —> Need to more serotonine to reuptake —> more serotonine —> more dopamine inhibition

 

Someone tries tianeptine, ginkgo biloba, amino acids etc. But im only 16 yo and i don’t know which is harmful or safe to me. I will go to neurology doctor but i think he will say it’s caused by depression. But of course not.

 

I can’t imagine, feel, play games, watch movies, remember now.

 

Is time enough for recovery? Or should i try different supplements?

 

[Songbird]

Hi Cipro, welcome to SA!

 

It would be helpful if you could create a signature with your med history, including all drugs, doses and dates (starting and stopping).  You can edit your signature under your Account Settings.  See this topic for more info: Please put your withdrawal history in your signature

 

We don't tend to recommend many supplements here because individual responses vary so much, and because in withdrawal our systems can be very sensitive and react in unexpected ways to supplements.  Anything that messes with neurotransmitters such as serotonin and dopamine can be particularly risky.

 

One supplement that many people find helpful is omega-3 (EPA & DHA from fish oil or krill oil), which can be very helpful for cognitive symptoms such as "brain fog".

[bhasski]

Hi,

What  you are describing is wdl symptoms. The site exists solely to guide people to manage miseries that come from various psych drugs through tapering drugs very slow rate.

 

17 hours ago, Cipro said:

I will go to neurology doctor but i think he will say it’s caused by depression. But of course not.

 

This happens usually 99%.  It happened to me and was put one after another drugs with a cocktail mixture for 2.5 years. 

So while going to the doctor with such speciality,  you have to choose words carefully.

 

But, why were you put on fluoxetine for start?

[Cipro]

6 hours ago, Songbird said:

Hi Cipro, welcome to SA!

 

It would be helpful if you could create a signature with your med history, including all drugs, doses and dates (starting and stopping).  You can edit your signature under your Account Settings.  See this topic for more info: Please put your withdrawal history in your signature

 

We don't tend to recommend many supplements here because individual responses vary so much, and because in withdrawal our systems can be very sensitive and react in unexpected ways to supplements.  Anything that messes with neurotransmitters such as serotonin and dopamine can be particularly risky.

 

One supplement that many people find helpful is omega-3 (EPA & DHA from fish oil or krill oil), which can be very helpful for cognitive symptoms such as "brain fog".

 

I’m taking Orzax Ocean Plus 780 mg x 2 per day. Also im taking 8000 IU vitamine D3, 1 gr vitamine C for 10 day.

I hope will can find sympathiser doctor.

 

3 hours ago, bhasski said:

Hi,

What  you are describing is wdl symptoms. The site exists solely to guide people to manage miseries that come from various psych drugs through tapering drugs very slow rate.

 

 

This happens usually 99%.  It happened to me and was put one after another drugs with a cocktail mixture for 2.5 years. 

So while going to the doctor with such speciality,  you have to choose words carefully.

 

But, why were you put on fluoxetine for start?

 

It was OKB. But I ruined my all career and life now. I was studying to olympiads but can’t writing one word properly now. Also I don’t feeling any emotion.

 

There is not much people can recovered.

 

People just saying desperately it’s not improved after months or years.

 

I’m really worrying about this.

[Petunia]

Hi Cipro,

I'm sorry you have been harmed by Prozac, it sounds like you had an adverse reaction, and possibly some withdrawal from stopping it suddenly.

 

But you are young, and was only taking it for a little over a month, so any changes it made to your brain and nervous system shouldn't take too long to repair themselves. You will get better, but its just going to take a little more time.

 

Its best not to confuse your brain by throwing lots of supplements at it, aside from a high quality fish oil and magnesium, avoid supplements. (See King of Supplements: Omega 3 Fatty Acids (Fish Oil) and Magnesium, Nature's Calcium Channel Blocker). They've been helpful to many of us. 

 

A healthy diet and regular exercise may also help you to recover faster. Its best to stay off the internet and sites which cause more anxiety. You are going to get better, but if you get stressed, thinking you wont, that can slow the recovery process. Do your best to take care of yourself, find things to do that you enjoy, live a healthy lifestyle and you will recover in time.

[Cipro]

I used to write on keyboards 'very' fast. And my reflexes was pretty well. But after stopping SSRI, I'm really like have Parkinson disease. I have trouble with walking, writing, typing and other every movements. I couldn't find any experience except tardive dyskinezia but i think my problem is not this.

It's maybe caused by dopamine inhibition. I read that Serotonine autoreceptor desensitization causing more serotonine between the neurons. That causing more dopamine inhibition than normal.
I had read it's permanent. Maybe SJW extract can resensitize it but everyone reacts different to it.
Area1255's blog have interesting informations.
Any thoughts?

[Altostrata]

Welcome, Cipro.

 

I moved your post here.

 

You are recently off Prozac. You have withdrawal symptoms. These will go away slowly, over months. They will continue to change, to get worse and better, before they go away.

 

Dopamine issues are irrelevant. Prozac is not particularly dopaminergic.

 

 

[Cipro]

35 minutes ago, Altostrata said:

Welcome, Cipro.

 

I moved your post here.

 

You are recently off Prozac. You have withdrawal symptoms. These will go away slowly, over months. They will continue to change, to get worse and better, before they go away.

 

Dopamine issues are irrelevant. Prozac is not particularly dopaminergic.

 

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2674976/

 

I has found this article. I’ll try to reading slowly to understand well.

Serotonin is not dopaminergic but indirectly affects it and norepinephrine. Serotonin receptor resensitization is maybe the key of healing.

 

edit-

 

Also I said, my other problems like movement disorders appeared after stopping treatment. I have found Prozac is 5HT2C antagonist. So when i was using it, my dopamine was not affected. 

But now it’s antagonistic effects are gone and im suffering dopamine loss.

I know parkinson(loss of movement capabilities and other dysfunctions) caused by dopamine loss on substantia nigra.

[Cipro]

I have to start new topic because it’s will can be helpful to many people. Don’t merge this please.

 

Firstly, i saw a comment saying L-Tyrosine is cleared all his brain fog after one pill cipralex and 5 months. (L-Tyrosine is precursor of dopamine.)

While i was looking different sources, found more interesting informations.

I wrote three times in my post this but have to explain in here.

SSRI’s are desensitize receptors. Autoreceptors are problematic ones.

When they damaged, they need to more serotonine to reuptake or don’t reuptake as well as earlier(idk which one). Because of this, dopamine is inhibited.

Of course, everyone is not same. There are so much factor like acetylcholins, hormones, genes. And im not encouraging people to use drugs.

 

But brainfog and parkinson(dopamine related disease) like movement dysfunctions are maybe caused of dopamine in most of all. This article is very helpfull imo.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2674976/#!po=63.2075

[Cipro]

I looked up some topics and noticed most of successfully recovered person was using their drugs very long time. I didn't used Prozac for 15 years or 6 years. I have been on it just 36 days and dosage was 10 mg. I saw people who used 4-12 months and couldn't be recovered still but there are peoples who used for 15 years and healed!



This led me to think, Maybe after long-term exposure, people forgot their 'actual' capability and when quit ssri, such a minor things seems like a big recovery.



Now, I'm 16 years old. My english is not enough to read long comments or scientific evidence. Even if all these were in my native language, i don't think I could anything too.



Area-1255 is well informed person. It seems he could solve nearly everything with nutritions and other medicines. Even he is well informed and even there is few people was could feel good with his suggestions, I couldn't find any comment about effects wether permanent or not. I think he just trying to balance side effects induced by ssri because there is not certain way to resensitize 5-HT autoreceptors.



I'm only 16. Already I didn't have any social interactions and sport experience. and I wasn't good with my family. My whole amusement and hope were watching anime, reading memes and creepypastas, listening musics like anime osts and vaporwaves, imaginating things really 'deeply' . I had created another universe in my brain. I'm also in the best highschool in my country and I was olympiad winner in primary school .



Now, I lost all these. Every one of them! Sorry for that but i can't even watch p*** and relax. My brain is like always sleepy or I have brain fog.



I will go endocrinologist and check up my hormones. Area had said when testosterone reach their range, 5H1A may be recovered over time.

[ChessieCat]

1 hour ago, Cipro said:

Area-1255 is well informed person. It seems he could solve nearly everything with nutritions and other medicines. Even he is well informed and even there is few people was could feel good with his suggestions, I couldn't find any comment about effects wether permanent or not. I think he just trying to balance side effects induced by ssri because there is not certain way to resensitize 5-HT autoreceptors.

 

Hi Cipro,

 

Area-1255 was banned from Surviving Antidepressants because he was recommending pharmaceutical drugs and advocating neurotransmitter bio-chemical nonsense.

[Cipro]

26 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

 

Hi Cipro,

 

Area-1255 was banned from Surviving Antidepressants because he was recommending pharmaceutical drugs and advocating neurotransmitter bio-chemical nonsense.

If you mean 5-HT receptor subtypes and neuroendocrinology, what’s wrong with them? Things he said all in scientific experiments and he gives pubmed links explaining his opinions.

Im definitely inclined to not use any medicine or strange herbs to healing. But I saw someones in this forum suffers very long time. When body is not enough for fixing itself, we should solve issues with different medicines and herbs temporarly(even maybe permanently) at least. Doesn’t be banning Area is bad idea?

[ChessieCat]

3 hours ago, Cipro said:

Doesn’t be banning Area is bad idea?

 

This was 1 reason for the banning.

 

SA is a site for tapering psychiatric drugs.  Altostrata created this website in 2011/12 because of the lack of knowledge that the medical professional have with how to get their patients off these drugs.  Altostrata has done a lot of research.  The only supplements which SA recommends are Magnesium and Omega-3 Fish Oil.  If Alto had found anything in her research which worked she would gladly and freely be telling us all about it.  There is no magic pill or potion. 

 

The brain is always trying to regain homeostasis, or factory settings.  Taking anything which changes the chemicals in the brain causes a chain reaction.  Giving our brain a "clean" and minimal stress environment gives it the best opportunity to do what it is trying to do.

[pranav]

Hey cipro,  pranav here my case is nearly exactly same as yours.  It's been a year,  have you recovered or noticed any substantial changes.  Hope you are well. 

Thanjs