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Day 7 on updose all symptoms almost disappeared. Still here and there anxiety which I can manage with positive thinking. Agoraphobia is ok'ish was outside in the shop ride my scooter felt anxiety but I felt this 3 months ago this should improve.

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Gridley
On 1/6/2020 at 10:39 AM, pinciukas said:

would like to increase my Seroxat to 10 mg

I would stay where you are, as we discussed.  There is an expression in English, "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."  You're doing well at 8.  

 

Serotonin syndrome is very unlikely to result from your small updose.

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Day 9 on updose. There was mistake in my signature. I went to 7 mg not 8. And I was on 5.5 (checked my sheets with pill weights). Second day without anxiety only yesterday in the late evening I got one event sleep was perfect. But I have dizziness when I going for a walk outside. It is normal? This dizziness giving me anxiety then I start Google about it. Annoying! Trying not to do. I hope everything will be ok. It was my 3rd time to tapper and I failed :( I everything will be ok I would like to stay on this dose for a longer time. Until summer maybe. I believe much you tapper and crashing more difficult to do it again. It's like with addiction I am addict to alcohol and gambling lucky years clean. But I see people in GA and AA who failing to stay clean everytime for them is more difficult to quit and stay clean. 

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Gridley
17 minutes ago, pinciukas said:

Until summer maybe

Good idea.

 

Dizziness is a common withdrawal symptom.

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29 minutes ago, Gridley said:

Good idea.

 

Dizziness is a common withdrawal symptom.

I don't had dizziness during WD but after updose i got :D But also can be anxiety hope it will settle down 

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5 hours ago, Gridley said:

Good idea.

 

Dizziness is a common withdrawal symptom.

It is possible that I can crash like I did on 5.5 on which I was 1.5 months? I am afraid now and thinking just go back on 10 or 20. Or I just overthinking? Sorry for so much questions 

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19 minutes ago, pinciukas said:

just go back on 10 or 20. Or I just overthinking? Sorry for so much questions 

Hold where you are.  Updosing all the way back to 10 or 20mg could overwhelm your system.  It's going to take a while for your system to get used to the updose.

 

Yes, you are overthinking and also catastrophizing.   Try to be as calm and patient as you can.  It's better for your healing if you remain calm.  Catastrophizing puts a lot of stress on your system.

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Yes, overthinking is the hardest part. I was in a similar situation as you. I just had to release my emotions and after reading so many stories on PAWS I knew these were from coming off Paxil. So I didn't let it push me further into panic.

 

I thought I would never get through it. I still have days of challenges, but absolutely no where what they were. It does get better. 

 

Everyday that passes is one day closer to being healed :)

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So guys i have started CBT therapy and just found interesting thing. It is possible that I crashed because it was my own error. I have gambling and alcohol addiction. And since end of September I was occupied with online gaming. I spend hours and hours playing first person shooter online. Like 5 hours daily after my job and up to 10 hours on my free days. I visit once restaurant in this time and had few dinners with my friends that’s it I abandoned everything and spent all my time in the gaming world. I had a lot of stress there because i am addict and i can’t play just for fun. Those gaming days was intense i even some times smashed my controller and i was mad on everyone every enemy online. My sleep was very bad. I had signals in Oktober and November higher anxiety and so on. Plus my CNS was sensible because of low dose of Seroxat and then just basically i got panic attack and mental breakdown. I am so happy that I discovered this behavior i am not gaming not at all i can do things i like. Meditate, walks, working with my head, CBT, movies and so on. This is good lesson for my that my CNS is sensitive and i should take care about my life.

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Hello, 

 

I have big problem. I still getting panic attacks when I am driving my car and my job requires me to drive half of the day. I am stable now after updose I don't have panic attacks at home or on my scooter or anywhere else but still have then in the traffic jams when I am in my car. I can't wait any longer because I can't lose my job. Can I increase my dose a bit? Up to 10 mg I believe it will ease my panic in the car. Otherwise I don't know what to do. My last updose 2 weeks ago helped me with attacks at home in the shot and so on. I really need to do something. Offcourse I can take benzos but then it is dangerous to drive a car! What should I do? At the moment driving a car is nightmare for me. :(

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Any advice?

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Cocopuffz17
45 minutes ago, pinciukas said:

Any advice?

Nutrition, I know I would of not been able to get off or paroxetine without changing my nutrition. When I have poor nutrition now I get WD spikes. Take a look at The Plant Paradox by Dr.Gundry. 

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8 hours ago, Cocopuffz17 said:

Nutrition, I know I would of not been able to get off or paroxetine without changing my nutrition. When I have poor nutrition now I get WD spikes. Take a look at The Plant Paradox by Dr.Gundry. 

I am vegan and also eating very low carbs 50-60 grams per day. Don't consume any alcohol or smoking. A lot of walking exercising yoga everyday. 

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3 hours ago, pinciukas said:

I am vegan and also eating very low carbs 50-60 grams per day. Don't consume any alcohol or smoking. A lot of walking exercising yoga everyday. 

I still recommending reading it. A lot of vegan foods are the reason we have these issues. They contain lectins and spike inflammation in the body. 

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Reinstate 10 mg Seroxat feeling almost 100% better good sleep no panic attacks mood is also good. I am afraid now to tapper this drug at least until the summer no plans to start tappering i even don't know or I am capable to do this 4th time.

Have a nice day everyone.

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Hello!

 

Long story short I am on Bromazepam almost the same as Diazepam for a long time I don't even know how long maybe 5 years. Basically on 1.5 mg last year this year I was on 3mg during the bad days when I crashed my tappering from Seroxat no I feel stabilise so I would like to tapper Bromazepam. I have tappered down to 2 mg without any problems and I am now on 1.5 for 2 weeks don't feel anything any withdrawal symptoms but also any sedation it is more like a habit for me this drug. How I can tapper down now? This dose is so small and pill to. Can I cut in a half now and see how I feel? I trying to research but everyone is taking bigger doses 10mg 15mg I can't found any information how to tapper from suck a small dose.

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31 minutes ago, pinciukas said:

Hello!

 

Long story short I am on Bromazepam almost the same as Diazepam for a long time I don't even know how long maybe 5 years. Basically on 1.5 mg last year this year I was on 3mg during the bad days when I crashed my tappering from Seroxat no I feel stabilise so I would like to tapper Bromazepam. I have tappered down to 2 mg without any problems and I am now on 1.5 for 2 weeks don't feel anything any withdrawal symptoms but also any sedation it is more like a habit for me this drug. How I can tapper down now? This dose is so small and pill to. Can I cut in a half now and see how I feel? I trying to research but everyone is taking bigger doses 10mg 15mg I can't found any information how to tapper from suck a small dose.

 

Pincuikas, I merged your benzo post into your main intro thread, since you are also dealing with an antidepressant. 

 

We generally recommend tapering the antidepressant first. 

 

Please see:

 


Taking multiple psych drugs? Which drug to taper first?

 

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Bromazepam 1.5 mg occasionally 

 

The about quote is from your signature. What date did you start taking Bromazepam every day? When did you increase it to 3 mg? 

 

If you've now been on daily bromazepam for more than 2 - 4 weeks, you may be dependent on it and we recommend tapering no faster than 10% of your previous dose. Please see:

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

37 minutes ago, pinciukas said:

I have tappered down to 2 mg without any problems and I am now on 1.5 for 2 weeks don't feel anything any withdrawal symptoms but also any sedation it is more like a habit for me this drug.

 

On 1/15/2020 at 5:44 AM, pinciukas said:

Reinstate 10 mg Seroxat feeling almost 100% better good sleep no panic attacks mood is also good.

 

Why did you increase the Seroxat last week since you mentioned not having any withdrawal symptoms from the benzo decrease 2 weeks ago? 

 

Making multiple drug changes is making it impossible to give you advice. Please see:

 

The rule of 3KIS: Keep it simple. Keep it slow. Keep it stable

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Pincuikas, I merged your benzo post into your main intro thread, since you are also dealing with an antidepressant. 

 

We generally recommend tapering the antidepressant first. 

 

Please see:

 


Taking multiple psych drugs? Which drug to taper first?

 

 

The about quote is from your signature. What date did you start taking Bromazepam every day? When did you increase it to 3 mg? 

 

If you've now been on daily bromazepam for more than 2 - 4 weeks, you may be dependent on it and we recommend tapering no faster than 10% of your previous dose. Please see:

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

 

 

Why did you increase the Seroxat last week since you mentioned not having any withdrawal symptoms from the benzo decrease 2 weeks ago? 

 

Making multiple drug changes is making it impossible to give you advice. Please see:

 

The rule of 3KIS: Keep it simple. Keep it slow. Keep it stable

 

 

I increased Seroxat once 1 januari everything went a bit better but I still suffered from anxiety and agoraphobia so I increased one more time 16 Januari and then anxiety and agoraphobia went away. For now I don't plan to increase or decrease just to stay on it. 

I don't know or I want to tapper Seroxat I did 1.5 year tappering and crashed really bad on 5.5 mg first I need to learn how to live with my anxiety I am following CBT now but this is a long road.

But then I would like to quit my Bromazepam 

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51 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Pincuikas, I merged your benzo post into your main intro thread, since you are also dealing with an antidepressant. 

 

We generally recommend tapering the antidepressant first. 

 

Please see:

 


Taking multiple psych drugs? Which drug to taper first?

 

 

The about quote is from your signature. What date did you start taking Bromazepam every day? When did you increase it to 3 mg? 

 

If you've now been on daily bromazepam for more than 2 - 4 weeks, you may be dependent on it and we recommend tapering no faster than 10% of your previous dose. Please see:

 

Why taper by 10% of my dosage?

 

 

 

Why did you increase the Seroxat last week since you mentioned not having any withdrawal symptoms from the benzo decrease 2 weeks ago? 

 

Making multiple drug changes is making it impossible to give you advice. Please see:

 

The rule of 3KIS: Keep it simple. Keep it slow. Keep it stable

 

 

There is a mistake +1.5 occasionally and 1.5 daily.

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On 1/20/2020 at 1:32 PM, pinciukas said:

There is a mistake +1.5 occasionally and 1.5 daily.

 

Please update your signature to reflect daily use of Bromazepam. Also include the date you started daily use. A direct link to your signature is here:

 

Account Settings - Create or Update Your Signature

 

On 1/20/2020 at 1:26 PM, pinciukas said:

But then I would like to quit my Bromazepam 

 

The first thing you need to do is take the same amount of Bromazepam every day. This will make it much easier to taper in the future. The occasional use of Bromazepam can cause you to become dependent on a higher dose if you are taking occasional doses too often. Please be careful with occasional use. 

 

What time(s) of the day do you take your drugs? Does the Bromazepam help with sleep?

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3 minutes ago, Shep said:

 

Please update your signature to reflect daily use of Bromazepam. Also include the date you started daily use. A direct link to your signature is here:

 

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The first thing you need to do is take the same amount of Bromazepam every day. This will make it much easier to taper in the future. The occasional use of Bromazepam can cause you to become dependent on a higher dose if you are taking occasional doses too often. Please be careful with occasional use. 

 

What time(s) of the day do you take your drugs? Does the Bromazepam help with sleep?

 

I am taking Bromazepam at 2PM never for my sleep because basically i am sleeping good sometimes i have problems to fall a sleep but meditation helps me a lot. I don’t feel much that my 1.5 mg does anything but for me it is more like a habit. There was a time when I skipped my dose for a week or days and never felt bad but i checked forums like benzobuddies with horror stories and now i am afraid to get withdrawal syndrome I understand that my dose is very low but still i am afraid.

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What date did you start taking bromazepam on a daily basis? 

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pinciukas
2 hours ago, Shep said:

What date did you start taking bromazepam on a daily basis? 

I don't remember but years ago maybe 5-7 years ago. I always taked 1.5 mg and occasionally 1.5 extra per day. My last extra 1.5 was 2 weeks ago.

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One week after my last Updose is not bad. I am getting 6-7 hours sleep without waking up. I am waking up at 7AM so annoying because I am leaving for my job at 8:40 but I can't sleep longer strange. I got 2 days ago one anxiety attack and bad night slept bad and all day was bad with anxiety. Today I am good no anxiety. I can be outside can go to the shops and take a bus. But I am affraid of metro. I believe it is my anxiety original state that's what we figured out with therapist because I had this before Seroxat but with 20 mg everything was masked. I don't plan to tapper for now u until the spring I hope I can stabilise and work on my anxiety also with the spring j can spend more time outside with better weather because now in the Netherlands is so dark and cold. Time outside helping me a lot. I had stomach cramps few days but probably because GI adjusting to updose. My mood is good. Next Thursday we are going with the car to Germany for a few days to SPA resort and visit one city. I hope I can drive and don't get those anxiety attacks in the traffic. But I am going with my girlfriend so we can stop everytime to rest hope all be good. I did 4000 miles trip in August with my car without any problems and I was on similar dose like now so I hope I can do it! 

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Can I have stomach cramps pain from my updose week ago? I have only in the morning pain is light and my stomach growling. My appetite is good I am not losing weight or any other problems.

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On 1/24/2020 at 9:19 AM, pinciukas said:

I don't remember but years ago maybe 5-7 years ago. I always taked 1.5 mg and occasionally 1.5 extra per day. My last extra 1.5 was 2 weeks ago.

 

Please update your signature to reflect you started Bromazepam daily use between 2013 and 2015. It will also be helpful to place the dates you take extra doses in your signature so we have an easy way to track this.

 

A direct link to your signature is here:

 

Account Settings - Create or Update Your Signature

 

I would try to limit occasional use because if you take it too often, you'll become dependent on the higher dose.

 

Bromazepam's half-life is 10 - 20 hours, so if you're a slow metabolizer and metabolizing it at the 20 hour half-life, you'll still have 13% of the drug in your system 2.5 days later. That can help you gage how often you can take the occasional extra dose. To be safe, you may want to limit it to just once or twice a month. Benzos can also cause rebound and paradoxical reactions, so being as consistent as possible is best. 

 

 

4 hours ago, pinciukas said:

Can I have stomach cramps pain from my updose week ago? I have only in the morning pain is light and my stomach growling. My appetite is good I am not losing weight or any other problems.

 

If you didn't eat anything that caused this, it could be from the drug change. These drugs have GI issues as both side effects and withdrawal effects. Please see:

 

Digestive problems: nausea, diarrhoea, bloating, GERD

 

Does a cup of peppermint or ginger tea help? 

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50 minutes ago, Shep said:

If you didn't eat anything that caused this, it could be from the drug change. These drugs have GI issues as both side effects and withdrawal effects. Please see

No I don't eat it is just in the morning for a few hours but I can easely eat my oatmeal or other breakfast probably GI still sensitive after updose.

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Update after last updose I feel better I have anxiety here and there but only light anxiety. Today I made 500 km trip with my car and 2 weeks ago I can't even drive 3 km. 

But I read a lot of about Seroxat poopout maybe I got this during my tapering on 5.5 mg ? And now I am thinking that my updose only solve problems for a few week and then I poopout again updose. I am obsessed with those minds. I am thinking that I had poopout on 5.5 because  anxiety and panic attacks hit me then. I will go crazy I should stop reading :(

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Sounds like you are stabilizing, pincuikas. Try not to get obsessed with what you're reading. You're feeling better and that's the information that matters. 

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Yes but yesterday I had bad anxiety in the middle of the night. And today I felt good and after 4PM I started to have again anxiety wave until 10PM then I felt a sleep and at 1AM I waked up with palpitations and I felt hot and sweating. Kind of anxiety attack but short maybe 3 minutes. I feel bad now because all was better and now again some down. I don't understand anymore what is happening. I felt good beter and now again. I am so tired of all of this. This set back gives me so much negative emotions I don't want to do anything in this life. I just feel that I am looser and I will not improve. My anxiety now I not so bad like before all updose month ago but still she is here. Nobody can't help me my doctor told me probably not enought Seroxat for my anxiety disorder. If this don't stop I don't know how long I can hold on. Atm I am so sad. 

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I don't felt any WD classical WD symptoms during all my tappering my sleep was good and don't had headaches brainzaps I old had here and the very light anxiety and from around September I got more and more anxiety kind of build up I tapped down and in the end of anxiety I just crashed with panic attacks and bad anxiety. I don't understand what a hell is this. I masked those years my disorder with Seroxat and I don't know how to live now and how to cope with my anxiety. She just came back the same as before Seroxat. I just want to live normal life that is all what I want. I am confused my head is full of anxiety and doom scenarios (like my drug is popping out, WD wave, to low dose, will never work again, nothing will help me and so on

 

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11 hours ago, pinciukas said:

I masked those years my disorder with Seroxat and I don't know how to live now and how to cope with my anxiety.

 

You no doubt are dealing with both withdrawal anxiety and also, being more sensitive. I wouldn't call that a "disorder," though. Some people are more sensitive in nature. But that's okay. You just need to learn how to take care of yourself more, to learn how to self-soothe. 

 

Please check out the non-drug coping section and look for links that deal with anxiety.  Find a few that you're interested in and then practice them daily.

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

You may find guided meditations to be particularly helpful. For instance, this is a very short exercise in breathing that can be very helpful to use several times a day:

 

The Breathing Space by Jon Kabat Zinn video (4 minutes)

 

And this is a great one to listen to before bedtime. 

 

Guided Meditation Deep sleep | anxiety and insomnia relief | relaxation before bedtime video (21 minutes)

 

You can find many more out there on YouTube. 

 

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4 hours ago, Shep said:

 

You no doubt are dealing with both withdrawal anxiety and also, being more sensitive. I wouldn't call that a "disorder," though. Some people are more sensitive in nature. But that's okay. You just need to learn how to take care of yourself more, to learn how to self-soothe. 

 

Please check out the non-drug coping section and look for links that deal with anxiety.  Find a few that you're interested in and then practice them daily.

 

Non-drug techniques to cope with emotional symptoms

 

You may find guided meditations to be particularly helpful. For instance, this is a very short exercise in breathing that can be very helpful to use several times a day:

 

The Breathing Space by Jon Kabat Zinn video (4 minutes)

 

And this is a great one to listen to before bedtime. 

 

Guided Meditation Deep sleep | anxiety and insomnia relief | relaxation before bedtime video (21 minutes)

 

You can find many more out there on YouTube. 

 

Yes that's true I am very emotional for my yought. I will check all links. I am busy with CBT and DARE program for anxiety I really feel that I am improving but still have some backups. Hope all be good ❤️

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Guys I need help I just took accidentally not 9 mg of Seroxat but 10 mg. I messed up with weight. What should I do now? Please any advice

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Nothing you can do but ride it out, Pincuikas. Many people accidentally take an extra dose or miss a dose, so it's very common. It may ramp up symptoms for awhile, but you'll be okay. 

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12 minutes ago, Shep said:

Nothing you can do but ride it out, Pincuikas. Many people accidentally take an extra dose or miss a dose, so it's very common. It may ramp up symptoms for awhile, but you'll be okay. 

Thank you! First I freaked out but now I am calm :)

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