Administrator Altostrata Posted January 26, 2022 Administrator Share Posted January 26, 2022 If you crush an extended-release tablet, the drug becomes immediate-release. The windows and waves pattern of recovery is not a theory, it's an observation based on thousands of cases, going back to Dr. Heather Ashton in the '80s. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
HardWork Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 Thanks @Altostrata. Oh- about ER. So I guess I went from ER to immediate release. Thanks for the info About windows and waves, I feel a big fog released. How do I know if withdrawal symptoms are gone for now, or whether its a temp window? 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 27, 2022 Administrator Share Posted January 27, 2022 Sorry, I don't understand your question. Please explain. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
HardWork Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 I feel like a big part of the fog lifted. How do I know if its temporary and soon a wave will hit, or maybe symptoms are subsiding and I'm ready to drop dosage again. Hope I was clear this time 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 Its 2 days on meds from New pharmacy. Did well all day, but both days at around 6pm went into severe & sudden depression for 2-3 hours. Had depression before but not so sudden and severe. Extreme energy drop from one minute to next. Had to go to bed, did not see my bed daytime in a long while Could that be a result of switching from slow-release Lithium to immediate release? Thank you sooo much! Highly appreciated!! 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 I slept 1 1/2 hrs and then bounced back to normal today. Did have 2 late nights after a 10 hour night. Could be the contrast of sleep affected me (I'm very sensitive to sleep) doesn't have to be meds, but could be. Also is immediate release an issue? 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 Adding on to previous message, bounced back even before next dose. I am mildly depressed over last few weeks. Frustration about coerced meds. As well as feeling alone, have NOBODY, just my sole self... 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 Finally now I was able to edit/organize my signature a bit. Definitely a lot clearer! Did not think would ever be capable of that... 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 Starting to use this forum for myself to track my tapering process... Remembering now I used to have dreams before falling asleep. Real dreams with open eyes... Noticing now its gone for quite a long time already- progress 👍 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 Depression is way easier than zoloft! 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted January 28, 2022 Mentor Share Posted January 28, 2022 @HardWork Stopping by to say hi. I cycle fairly quickly with different moods too. I think wd is like that.....I hate the depression though ugh......You're seeing sighs of improvement that's good....How long since your last taper What do you mean constantly changing, guided by chiropractor? You are never alone........You have hundreds of people here on SA to support you. Reach out and connect with a few......It helps to talk to someone with similar issues going through this Hang in there hardwork https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
HardWork Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 Hi @Greatful, you're the best! (Hope no one else reads this). You bring sunshine into the darkness! And definitely make me feel like i do have ppl... Yes the SA network is full of ❤ 🤍 💙 🧡 🖤 ♥️! Ye last night I felt like its the end... Can't believe just last night I thought its forever dark... Our brains....woooaaaaa.... Its all in the mind! How did I believe that?... I knew its depression, but was sure its here to stay! Yes I am getting to see improvement, thank God! I see my chiropractor weekly, she does kinesiology and gives diff supplements weekly according to testing. I did try to argue with her that SA is against supplements during withdrawal. But she claims "Those people don't test, they just take, they test well for you so its diff. " So I am confused about that because I do trust her (SA maybe more) because she did help me last time I got off meds... Any insight on this would be appreciated.... Greatful, what I find helpful during depression is Journaling, doesn't take away depression but venting the feelings is validating and releases tension. You seem to be a a great writer! It does help a lot. Oh how hard its too grab that pen at first.... It helps to talk to someone with similar issues going through this- cant agree more! But haven't found such a person yet... Are you willing to speak?.... Feel free to be totally honest, I won't take it personally because I myself wouldn't be ready to speak had someone asked... I'm too much in my own w/d... But once I speak I do listen as well.. Thanks again! All the best! Hope everything's well by you now! PS I think another withdrawal symptom is long messages.... In this brain-fogged situation... 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted January 29, 2022 Mentor Share Posted January 29, 2022 @HardTimes Yep that dark place is a trick place to be.. Then add on negative self talk ugh... I tried to journal and just felt discouraged because I was writing a lot of the same stuff over everyday.....Maybe I was doing it wrong lol I was trying to down play and be more positive when I wrote......I should be more authentic but that could be depressing😬 I can not answer about the supplements......Only you can see if they are helping or not......I might be worried if she was changing them all the time. Then you really don't know if they are causing issues with your already crazy CNS......what all is she giving you...Can you look them up and research them before you take them.........What does she mean by test? What kind of test is she doing? Where you in WD/with a ramped up CNS the last time she helped you? Sure I'll talk, Sometimes I talk to much lol.....I can get pretty long winded. So beware....😁 https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 @Greatful thanks! Your messages brighten my day! So we do seem like a pair… ttm-talking too much- is my thing too… Journaling worked once then I’m already giving that advice w full excitement, you know how it goes. The next time I did not hv energy to pick up a pen… The way I did it is write word for word how I’m feeling that moment. Lemme not go back there… But it worked well Today I’m “greatful” bec I am feeling great!!! Test means kinesiology energy testing….. I did stop supplements few days already- it’s a conflict I’m having for long time… SA is the best support indeed! It’s just that screentime is harmful for me 🙁 1- I get cyber sick 2- I lose presence 3- intrusive thoughts 2-3 days after. My house is therefore device free (it’s in the car) 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 Hi @Altostrata, I was in crisis past weekend, I’m fine now. Here’s the story it’s clear this new pharmacy botched me up. (I'll share exact dialogue at end) Friday night from around 6 I went into distress id call it- severely depressed, suicidal ideation, low energy, severe full body agitation, restless leg, hungry/ empty, low appetite, craving... emotional irritability, extremely nervous, ANGER, kept waking at night, slept a lot by day.... racing heart upon wakeup. Can't put it into words- I felt m-i-s-er-a-b-l-e. I felt like I’m exploding… I was desperate to leave my body. Even my husband who had no idea I did a change kept asking what happened. I analyzed the situation and knew its the meds. I haven't felt so sick in years!!! Here's what I came up with- I had er tablets till now. Now its immediate release so by taking all capsules at night (like I've done till now w er) this was like overdose and cold turkey on my body together. SUNDAY I DIVIDED DOSE MORN/EVE SYMPTOMS EASED UP A LOT!! Conversation with pharmacy:Pharmacy , how can I help you?Me: hi I received my meds today, but before I take it I need to know- is this extended release? Its no where on the bottleYes it is.Me: But its not on the bottle. Are you sure its extended release?Yes its extended release, the same you had until now. With compounding we don't write it on the bottle, Compounding is differentMe: Are you sure its same meds I had until now?Yes its exactly the same.Me: on this bottle it says to take twice a day, until now took onceSo Just take it the way you did till now, once. I asked so many times, I'm 100% sure this is what they told me! To the dr they did say it’s immediate and that “previous pharmacy said she took immediate till now.” Questions: - which is better immediate or ER? I happen to think I’m better now than before the change. But it might just be my body usually responds better after initial storm. Changes sometimes do go well w me once adjusted but not sure though - would you trust this pharmacy (it’s walking distance from me!) Also, if I go exactly by what says on the bottle then I could trust… They really put me through danger (I had to bite my hand really hard to release agitation, controlled myself not to bite my kids. Biting wasn’t the danger, that level of intensity) Thanks loads for your time, patience and support!!! 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 1, 2022 Administrator Share Posted February 1, 2022 What daily dosage are you taking now, of what drug? Quote CURRENT MEDS- LITHIUM 675 MG CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- Constantly changing, guided by chiropractor Is this still true? If you were taking extended-release, you have to take immediate-release twice a day -- 1/2 your daily amount in each dose. If your former compounding pharmacy crushed extended-release tablets to put the powder into a capsule, it becomes immediate-release. When did you last take a whole extended-release tablet? Since you have the bottles and the phone numbers of the compounding pharmacies, you will need to sort this out yourself. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 Thanks @Altostrata! Meds is still true. Stopped all supplements besides for magnesium. Yes taking twice a day. That eased symptoms. Thanks for that No such thing as extended release in capsules? I don’t know if they crush at all… it wasn’t tablets. But they clearly told me it’s extended release. Took a whole extended release tablet long time ago. A year ago. of course I’ll sort it out myself. I don’t know why it came across that I’m expecting anyone to sort it out for me. I was just sharing my experience. And current update- I felt amazing for a day or two, like the window shade finally lifted- a lot of fog released… thought I’m finally breathing… But yesterday had severe physical symptoms, physical only. Woke up in the morning with strong burning stomach pain. Never had before. Came and went like labor pain. Then in the eve had flulike symptoms (all too familiar)- chills, body aches, feeling faint Just now woke up from stomach pain. Think it’s gas pain QUESTION- I always knew ER is dangerous to crush. Is that so? 2- about slow release from previous pharmacy. Which one is generally better on body- extended or ER? 3- if it’s all true that pharmacy sent exact brand and formulation (don’t believe them anymore) could absence of fillers (the only diff as per pharmacy) give these symptoms I do find changes make me feel better. Yes side effects are miserating, but clarity came. My body is pure truth. Must be pharmacy is hiding info Thanks in advance! 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 3, 2022 Administrator Share Posted February 3, 2022 The clerk at the pharmacy made a mistake. As I've said a couple of times now, if you crush extended-release tablets, the drug becomes immediate-release. It's the glue in most extended-release tablets that makes them extended-release. If you break the glue, they become immediate-release. I am still not clear about what you're taking now, and when. What is your daily drug schedule? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted February 7, 2022 Mentor Share Posted February 7, 2022 @HardWork It sounds like you are getting it figured out.....Crazy how we have to know all this stuff to stay on top of our health.......I hate the thought of questioning everything with the medical field now. I hit a rough patch myself, so I am finally getting back to you.........That's great that you are setting your boundaries on limiting your tech time......... Do you feel better being off all the supplements? I would sit and hold for a little bit so that your body can stabilize from that ct. You are doing great dealing with all this......Wd is brutal sometimes.......🥴 https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 @Altostrata thanks so much for your precious time and unrelenting patience! You are very professional, the ideal professional.... To answer your question first. Updated my signature- lithium and magnesium (the only supplement I kept after dropping the others as per SA advice) LITHIUM 675 divided in morn eve doses Re clerk mistake- thats on bottle SR for slow release. I asked them many times. Ill speak to pharmacist today. Thanks for ER=glue clarification. Apologize for my slow iatrogenically complicated brain. Stomach pain was hopefully a virus. A friend and her sis had same symptoms. Current symptoms- body agitation...restless leg, teeth pain on n off, stomach pain- milder than before, mild depression Wellness plan past 2 years- gluten free, sugar free, dairy free. Organic diet 100% natural (99%). 5 protein meals daily- meals same time daily 8-10 cups water daily Daily exercise 10 hours sleep When I don't feel well enough the plan falls apart, but didn't touch gluten sugar 2 years straight Hope i was clear. Thanks again!!! Oh just want to add- so no wonder I felt miserable all along- if I took immediate release the entire time in one dose! I gotta get to the bottom of this 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 Hi @Greatful Love your name! I'm sorry to hear about your bump, hope it smoothed out! You're amazing for your ability to reach out to others, to have the capacity to care while you yourself are suffering. You're a natural healer- Maybe you'll become a coach one day. YEESSSS thanks for that validation...becoming our own fbi agents while we're handcuffed... I don't think Albert Einstein needed to use such brain power.... Hate it big time! About supplements. Thanks for pointing it out initially. Um.. better? Hard to tell what comes from what.., im sure you get what I'm saying.... Its hard to tell whether were better or worse... right? More clarity & more agitation etc... Keep going strong Greatful! You are a pillar for so many!! I want you to know you are a very important part in my healing process.... My cheers for you! 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
Mentor Greatful Posted February 7, 2022 Mentor Share Posted February 7, 2022 @HardWork Thank you for the compliment❤️ Really we are all a comfort to each other.......We can feel a connection, we are not alone, we can share our pain, share our support, understand the emotional and physical depths this experience can be..... where else can we go to be reminded that we are not crazy 🥴 or weak because it can bring us to our knees at times. https://www.survivingantidepressants.org/topic/24894-greatful-is-this-withdrawal-or-to-many-med-changes-at-once/ 1995? Prozac, tried several Paxil, Serzone, St John's Wart back to Prozac and Trazodone ct:d Traz Lexapro. Tried to stop Crash in 2015 Kindled Hospitalized, Vybrid, Seroquel, Effexor, Abilify Pristiq, Wellbutrin-- 2016 ended back on Prozac and Lamictal 200mg 5/2020 thru 12/2020 taper from 20mg Prozac down to 3mg. Crashed 12/13/2020 Zoloft 50mg 1/29ct 1/29/2021 Seroquel 50mg ct 2/12/2021 Wellbutrin 75mg. Became hypo manic 2/1 6ct Trazodone 50mg 4/25 25mg 2/5/ 2021 Lamictal 150mg. 2/24 100mg 4/9 75mg 4/21 37.5 2/16/2021 Seroquel 50xr 3/3 100mg 3/17 150mg side effects ct 4/3 2021 Lexapro 5mg 4/14 7.5mg 4/30 10mg 5/10 7.5mg 2021/ 5/16 5mg Lexapro 37.5 Lamictal 25mg trazadone, xanax .0625mg 3x a day Lexapro Taper> Sept/01/2021 4.90mg> Sept/25 4.75mg> Oct/19 4.69mg > Nov/14 4.2mg Jan/30/2022-- Split dosing 2x a day All liquid 4.2mg (2.20mg at 8am & 2mg at 4pm) 2/17 4mg> 2/24 3.8mg slow taper to Aug/12/2022 2.04mg 2023> 2mg, 1.90mg, 1.80mg, 1.70mg, 1.5mg, 1.4mg, 1.3mg 1.2mg, 1.1mg, 1mg, 0.9mg, 0.8mg, 0.7mg 0.65mg, 0.6mg, 0.55mg, 0.5mg, 0.45mg, 0.4mg, 0.35mg, 0.3mg, 0.25,mg, back to once a day dosing 0 .1mg, 0.07mg , 0.05mg 4/1/2024 0 Lamictal taper 4/17/ 2022 25mg, 9/9/ 22 -20mg, 9/25/22- 15mg , 10/20/22- 0 Trazodone..2023.>down to 14mg, 7mg, 6mg July 2023 0 Xanax 0.0625 3 x a day, 2023> 0.042 3x a day Supplements Magnesium glycinate, Omega 3, D3, vitamin c , zinc, NAC Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 @Greatfulyou put it down so well... I'm jealous of your ability to express yourself so well. Are you sure you're in withdrawal? Can't wait to visit your thread.... When ill be on my feet.... 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 Altoatrata, if ER is only tablets, why would a pharmacy who does only compounds have the word SR in their dictionary at all? Its on my bottle... 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
lithiumnomore Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I had a pharmacy compound lithium and they compounded er and labeled it as such despite the compounding. Its possible pharmacies just aren't aware of the effect of the compounding process on the extended release. I'm treating it as ER. Also, I'm tapering lithium right now too. Just started, though only going from 450 mg. Current Meds/Taper: Lithium 450 mg - only drug. Tapered from 450 mg on 2/4, dropping 50 mg every 2 weeks to 300. Started having extreme insomnia after 2 weeks at 300 mg. Updosed to 350 mg on 3/24 and then back to 450 mg on 4/7. Will resume taper at 5-10%/month or slower when the time comes. Current supplements: Magnesium - Dr Best Chelated 100 mg PM, probiotic. Recent meds/tapers: Seroquel: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg up to 100 mg then tapered off rapidly to 0 mg (took for 2 weeks total) Lithium: 9/4/2020 - 900 mg, 11/20 - 750 mg, 12/15 - 600 mg, 12/21 - 750 mg, 2/11/21 - 600 mg, 3/15/21 - 450 mg Lamictal: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg, 9/17 - 50 mg; 10/1 - 100 mg; 10/13 - 200 mg, 10/23 - 300 mg, 11/6 - 400 mg, 1/15/21 - 200 mg, 4/15/21 - 100 mg, 5/13/21 - 75 mg, 5/27/21 - 62.5 mg, 6/8/21 - 50 mg, 6/22/21 - 37.5 mg, 6/28/21 - 12.5 mg, 7/7/21 - 0 mg Past meds: 2001-2010 - lithium and/or other mood stabilizers, ssris and benzos; 2011 - 2018 - lithium and adderall; 2018 - tapered lithium 900 mg to 0 mg in about 6 months, stopped Nov 2018 (no identified withdrawal symptoms), started fluoxetine @ 20 mg spring 2018 through May 2019, then tapered in two steps: May - 10 mg, Nov - 0 mg; Dec 2019 - ssri withdrawal starts, hell begins Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 Hi @lithiumnomore What an interesting coincidence, I was going to stop at your thread few hours ago as I noticed you're also tapering lithium. So this was a nice surprise... That makes sense, were busy training pharmacists in their own field. But you can't treat it as ER, because I think immediate release needs to be divided while ER could be taken all at once. Maybe 450 mg is diff Thanks for stopping by, hope your taper is easier than mine! 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
lithiumnomore Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, HardWork said: Hi @lithiumnomore What an interesting coincidence, I was going to stop at your thread few hours ago as I noticed you're also tapering lithium. So this was a nice surprise... That makes sense, were busy training pharmacists in their own field. But you can't treat it as ER, because I think immediate release needs to be divided while ER could be taken all at once. Maybe 450 mg is diff Thanks for stopping by, hope your taper is easier than mine! Thanks. I'm taking 300 mg ER and then 2 50 mg compounded capsules in the evening. That evens it out pretty well and the little IR spike, I can sleep through--in theory. Current Meds/Taper: Lithium 450 mg - only drug. Tapered from 450 mg on 2/4, dropping 50 mg every 2 weeks to 300. Started having extreme insomnia after 2 weeks at 300 mg. Updosed to 350 mg on 3/24 and then back to 450 mg on 4/7. Will resume taper at 5-10%/month or slower when the time comes. Current supplements: Magnesium - Dr Best Chelated 100 mg PM, probiotic. Recent meds/tapers: Seroquel: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg up to 100 mg then tapered off rapidly to 0 mg (took for 2 weeks total) Lithium: 9/4/2020 - 900 mg, 11/20 - 750 mg, 12/15 - 600 mg, 12/21 - 750 mg, 2/11/21 - 600 mg, 3/15/21 - 450 mg Lamictal: 9/7/2020 - 25 mg, 9/17 - 50 mg; 10/1 - 100 mg; 10/13 - 200 mg, 10/23 - 300 mg, 11/6 - 400 mg, 1/15/21 - 200 mg, 4/15/21 - 100 mg, 5/13/21 - 75 mg, 5/27/21 - 62.5 mg, 6/8/21 - 50 mg, 6/22/21 - 37.5 mg, 6/28/21 - 12.5 mg, 7/7/21 - 0 mg Past meds: 2001-2010 - lithium and/or other mood stabilizers, ssris and benzos; 2011 - 2018 - lithium and adderall; 2018 - tapered lithium 900 mg to 0 mg in about 6 months, stopped Nov 2018 (no identified withdrawal symptoms), started fluoxetine @ 20 mg spring 2018 through May 2019, then tapered in two steps: May - 10 mg, Nov - 0 mg; Dec 2019 - ssri withdrawal starts, hell begins Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 Thats a good idea. I think I'll do that. Would you share which pharmacy you're using? Are they good? 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 Thank you @Altostrataand @lithiumnomore.... I finally figured out the pharmacy episode. Yippee doodle doo... pharmacy A crushed ER and called it SR, thinking its still extended release. Gave that info over to pharmacy B. Pharmacy B seems like does know it turned into immediate release told my dr its immediate, and to me they said- "its ER, the same you've been getting from previous pharmacy. Right its not on the bottle, we just don't write it." I guess they wanted to avoid the whole argument w me, so kept it simple. The million dollar question- if pharmacy B copied exact ingredients as pharmacy A.... what could it be that I'm reacting SO STRONGLY to the switch. @Altostratado fillers help for even weight? Current pharmacy said only difference is no fillers (I'll check w them again if its only diff) 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted February 8, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 8, 2022 3 hours ago, HardWork said: Current pharmacy said only difference is no fillers Just a thought: If pharmacy A was using fillers and pharmacy B is not using fillers, then you might be experiencing dose dumping because it gets into your system quicker. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 8, 2022 Administrator Share Posted February 8, 2022 12 hours ago, HardWork said: so no wonder I felt miserable all along- if I took immediate release the entire time in one dose! Correct. You need to take it in divided doses. What times o'clock do you take your drugs, with their dosages? This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 @ChessieCat, thanks for that! Pharmacy A said "its slow release, a little faster than extended release." They said it takes 6 hours. I do think they have some trick that releases it longer What's dose dumping? Entire thing at once? @Altostrata around 9am and 9pm. 337.5 each time Thanks to both of you!! BTW my chiropractor said she feels ER is generally healthier on the body because the bodys natural way of releasing is also slowly.... Our bodies don't dump in large amounts. Today I'm feeling great. Slept 8 hrs last night. Tonight will hopefully be 10. Sleep is not an issue fortunately, but getting to bed is where I neglect myself The 2 key factors for me is sleep & proper elimination. Never had these 2 and wasn't feeling well. And never felt well with either one missing. 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 8, 2022 Administrator Share Posted February 8, 2022 Dose dumping means too much drug is released at once. Good to hear you've resolved your symptom problem. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted February 8, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 8, 2022 31 minutes ago, HardWork said: Pharmacy A said "its slow release, a little faster than extended release." They said it takes 6 hours. I do think they have some trick that releases it longer What's dose dumping? Entire thing at once? My compounder added slow release formula to mine and I can recall 6 hours being mentioned by someone at some time. * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 6:17 PM, ChessieCat said: My compounder added slow release formula to mine and I can recall 6 hours being mentioned by someone at some time. Exactly! I spoke to my pharmacy, they did that too. @Altostrata capsules could be slow release. They add a filler that makes it slow release. Legally compounders are not allowed to do ER, so they do SR Dividing the dosage helped a lot nevertheless 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
HardWork Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 6:16 PM, Altostrata said: Good to hear you've resolved your symptom problem. Thanks. I am doing better last few days... thinking it'll be good forever. Until a difficult depressing day knocks me over again. I think the changeover was more an adjustment stage, hope twas that Tried taking symptom notes. I'm too low energy, can't gather strength for that. Feeling heavy most of the time 1- October 2011- Wellbutrin. Few months later-Zyprexa. Quite some months later-Depakote. Clonapen throughout. November 2014- med free successfully! (Quick doc taper) 2- November 2015- zyprexa (almost sure) May 2015- Lithium 900 mg throughout, carried over to pregnancy and next baby. Currently still on same lithium. 3- June 20, 2017- zyprexa refused. June 21, 2017- forced hospitalization. June 2017- risperdal, lithium raised to 1200. no memory when-zoloft. Got off risperdal with dr- no clue how fast or when. June 2018- got off zoloft extremely fast resulting in complete dissociation (total disconnect of body), depression & severe fatigue Around august 2019- lithium 1050. Lithium 975. Lithium 900. January 11, 2021- Lithium 825. February 5, 2021- Found SA 🌞! February 23, 2021- Compounding natural pharmacy 🙂. May 9, 2021- Lithium 750. August 30, 2021- Lithium 675 (will add in more dates when I figure them out) June 23, 2022- Started brassmonkey slide 💟 June 23, 2022- Lithium 658 >ALL meds were coerced ILLEGALLY< CURRENT MEDS- 610 LITHIUM MG (after 4 week hold. Brass monkey succesful) CURRENT SUPPLEMENTS- magnesium 350 MG Link to comment
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