OptimisticRP Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Has anyone used this device and seen it help with some symptoms? It looks interesting and the science makes a lot of sense! https://apolloneuro.com ProzacNovember 2019: 10MG start January 2021: up to 60MG march 2021: Valium everyday 2MG twice a day for a month or after that take as needed April 2021-May: taper to 0MG June 2021: Zoloft 7 days and ween off. August 2021: escitalopram 5MG-10MG August 2021: Propanol 10MG-20MG as needed September 2021: weened off escitalopram over a week. October 30th: Citalopram 20MG November 10th: stopped - 10MG 2 days. November 14th: Prozac 20MG November 18th: stop C/T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Emeritus ChessieCat Posted January 7, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 7, 2022 sandymay87-weened-myself-off-luvox jobutterworth-iboga-anyone-tried-this-for-withdrawals-and-depression * NO LONGER ACTIVE on SA * MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: (6 year taper) 0mg Pristiq on 13th November 2021 ADs since ~1992: 25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq: 50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity) Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021 LAST DOSE 0.0025mg Post 0 updates start here My tapering program My Intro (goes to tapering graph) VIDEO: Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YachtRock Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 37 minutes ago, ChessieCat said: sandymay87-weened-myself-off-luvox jobutterworth-iboga-anyone-tried-this-for-withdrawals-and-depression Unfortunately SandyMay87 did not respond with her experience and I don't think JoButterworth tried it either. I am still curious myself @OptimisticRP. But then I get really skeptical about anything that is helpful for people with a "normal" nervous system, and how that translates to our world. Earlier in WD I thought that perhaps my Galaxy Smart Watch was triggering my symptoms, because it is constantly monitoring heartrate, can "measure" stress and all sorts of other things. But I guess it is more "looking" at (or through) your skin versus sending signals or vibrations into it? I am back to wearing it daily with no issues of course. My Introduction thread 2002-2003 Celexa/Lexapro (first ride, very mild withdrawal). 2004-2012 Drug free 2013-2018 Cymbalta 60mg | 2019 Effexor 75mg - 150mg (can't recall specifics) 2020-Apr 2021 Trintellix 20mg | May-Jun 10mg | Jul-Aug 5mg (stopped Aug 12th, 2021) WD symptoms began 4-6 weeks after last dose, increased severely at the 4 month mark 2021 Oct 9th Propranolol 10mg 2x/day (10am and 7pm) tapered to 5mg. Stopped 2/1/22. Lorazepam (Ativan) 0.5-1mg as needed Started a 0.5mg Trintellix reinstatement on 12/17/21 Tapered to ~0.4mg and 0.3mg by end of May 2022 Stopped Caffeine 1/1/2022 and Nicotine on 4/1/2022. Jan 19, 2022 - Added Vitamin D3 (2000iu), Super Omega-3 (2500mg) December 2022 - Finished taper of reinstatement dose around 0.09mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptimisticRP Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 hours ago, YachtRock said: Unfortunately SandyMay87 did not respond with her experience and I don't think JoButterworth tried it either. I am still curious myself @OptimisticRP. But then I get really skeptical about anything that is helpful for people with a "normal" nervous system, and how that translates to our world. Earlier in WD I thought that perhaps my Galaxy Smart Watch was triggering my symptoms, because it is constantly monitoring heartrate, can "measure" stress and all sorts of other things. But I guess it is more "looking" at (or through) your skin versus sending signals or vibrations into it? I am back to wearing it daily with no issues of course. Yeah it’s interesting, I just thought it could help because it reminds your body how it should be acting 🤷🏻♂️ And it seems subtle. Also, a device tracking your vitals and stuff doesn’t effect you. I think it is beneficial to see. ProzacNovember 2019: 10MG start January 2021: up to 60MG march 2021: Valium everyday 2MG twice a day for a month or after that take as needed April 2021-May: taper to 0MG June 2021: Zoloft 7 days and ween off. August 2021: escitalopram 5MG-10MG August 2021: Propanol 10MG-20MG as needed September 2021: weened off escitalopram over a week. October 30th: Citalopram 20MG November 10th: stopped - 10MG 2 days. November 14th: Prozac 20MG November 18th: stop C/T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Onmyway Posted January 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) I'd be highly suspicious of this - if it did indeed have all of these benefits it would have been approved as a medical device. Given the price tag and the way it works (vibration) it seems a bit suspicious. I'd need to see peer reviewed studies - although those can be faked as well. There are lots of people who will sell snake oil to desperate people. Edited January 9, 2022 by Onmyway 1 "Nothing so small as a moment is insurmountable, and moments are all that we have. You have survived every trial and tribulation that life has thrown at you up until this very instant. When future troubles come—and they will come—a version of you will be born into that moment that can conquer them, too." - Kevin Koenig I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information and recommendations provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. In the next few weeks I do not have a lot of capacity to respond to questions. If you need a quick answer pls tag or ask other moderators who may want to be tagged. Aug 2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used) Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up) September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0 Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week (off by 4/14/19- no tapering) citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg, 7/27/19 -1.5 mg, 8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785, 8/18/22 - 0.59, 12/15/2022 - 0.48, 2/15/22 - 0.43, 25/07/23 - 0.25 (mistake), 6/08/23 - 0.33mg Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptimisticRP Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, Onmyway said: I'd be highly suspicious of this - if it did indeed have all of these benefits it would have been approved as a medical device. Given the price tag and the way it works (vibration) it seems a bit suspicious. I'd need to see peer reviewed studies - although those can be faked as well. There are lots of people who will sell snake oil to desperate people. Just seems like subtle improvements and there is some studies on it. Doctors made the device as well. 30 day return policy also. And 1 year warranty. ProzacNovember 2019: 10MG start January 2021: up to 60MG march 2021: Valium everyday 2MG twice a day for a month or after that take as needed April 2021-May: taper to 0MG June 2021: Zoloft 7 days and ween off. August 2021: escitalopram 5MG-10MG August 2021: Propanol 10MG-20MG as needed September 2021: weened off escitalopram over a week. October 30th: Citalopram 20MG November 10th: stopped - 10MG 2 days. November 14th: Prozac 20MG November 18th: stop C/T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Onmyway Posted January 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, OptimisticRP said: Just seems like subtle improvements and there is some studies on it. Doctors made the device as well. 30 day return policy also. And 1 year warranty. Studies can be designed badly/faked. And doctors can be crooks - check out psychiatry. Doctors are just as likely to be greedy bastards. Why did they not submit those studies to the FDA to be able to sell it to treat depression? I don't see a proper explanation of how it works at least not one that makes scientific sense and they are using a lot of mumbo jumbo language. I don't think you'll find benefit from it but I also don't think you'll be harmed by it so you can try it if you wish. "Nothing so small as a moment is insurmountable, and moments are all that we have. You have survived every trial and tribulation that life has thrown at you up until this very instant. When future troubles come—and they will come—a version of you will be born into that moment that can conquer them, too." - Kevin Koenig I am not a doctor and this should not be considered medical advice. You can use the information and recommendations provided in whatever way you want and all decisions on your treatment are yours. In the next few weeks I do not have a lot of capacity to respond to questions. If you need a quick answer pls tag or ask other moderators who may want to be tagged. Aug 2000 - July 2003 (ct, 4-6 wk wd) , citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn, wellbutrin for a few months, trazodone prn Dec 2004 - July 2018 citalopram 20 mg, xanax prn (rarely used) Aug 2018 - citalopram 40 mg (self titrated up) September 2018 - January 2019 tapered citalopram - 40/30/20/10/5 no issues until a week after reaching 0 Feb 2019 0.25 xanax - 0.5/day (3 weeks) over to klonopin 0.25 once a day to manage severe wd March 6, reinstated citalopram 2.5 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 mg for sleep 2-3 times a week Apr 1st citalopram 2.0 mg (liquid), klonopin 0.25 once a week (off by 4/14/19- no tapering) citalopram (liquid) 4/14/19 -1.8 mg, 5/8/19 - 1.6 mg, 7/27/19 -1.5 mg, 8/15/19 - 1.35, 2/21/21 - 1.1 (smaller drops in between), 6/20/21 - 1.03 mg, 8/7/21- 1.025, 8/11/21 - 1.02, 8/15/21 - 1.015, 9/3/21 - 0.925 (fingers crossed!), 10/8/21 - 0.9, 10/18/21 - 0.875, 12/31/21 - 0.85, 1/7/22 - 0.825, 1/14/22 - 0.8, 1/22/22 - 0.785, 8/18/22 - 0.59, 12/15/2022 - 0.48, 2/15/22 - 0.43, 25/07/23 - 0.25 (mistake), 6/08/23 - 0.33mg Supplements: magnesium citrate and bi-glycinate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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