PistolShrimp68: Remeron withdrawal

[PistolShrimp68]

Hello,

 

I was put on 15 MG of Remeron May 21, 2022 for sleep after losing my best friend. July 29th 2022 I started to taper after my doctor said split it in half. Instead of going half I went down to 11.25 mg then two weeks after that my whole life has went to hell. I have only slept two hours per night and have extreme anxiety, depression and panic attacks which I never had before. when I take my nightly dosage I can feel my head vibrating and feel like it’s making me manic and wake up two hours later. My doctor said just completely stop the medication because he thinks it’s the reason I can’t fall asleep. I don’t know what to do and I’m completely lost at the moment. Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

Thanks,

Bryan 

 

Started Remeron May 21 2022

started tapering July29th 2022 fro 15Mg to 11.25 where I’m at currently

[PistolShrimp68]

Mirtazapine Withdrawal

 

Hi everyone,

 

I could use some help please. I was put on this poison 15 MG May 21 2002 and started taper July 29th down to 11.25. Since then I have had bad anxiety. Depression and 2 hrs of sleep per night. Last night at decided to try One Ambien 10 mg instead of the Mirtazapine before bed. Again, I woke up but had 3 hours of sleep vs two. When I woke up I felt like I had  the flu and body chills , so I ate the 11.25 mg and fell back to sleep for another two hours. Should I just stop and try to fight through this like Dr suggested ? It seems like this medicine make me mainic and can’t even take a nap when I’m so tired because I get adrenaline rushes in my chest when dozing off. I’m so lost and exhausted …I need help please someone.  Thanks you 

 

I don’t smoke or drink or do any drugs.

 

Edited September 2, 2022 by ChessieCat
added Intro topic title before merging with intro topic

[Altostrata]

Welcome, @PistolShrimp68

 

On 9/1/2022 at 12:47 PM, PistolShrimp68 said:

when I take my nightly dosage I can feel my head vibrating and feel like it’s making me manic and wake up two hours later.

 

What drugs are you taking at night, with their dosages? How do you feel before and after taking these drugs?

 

[PistolShrimp68]

First thank you for trying to help..I take mirtazapine 11.25 mg around 1030 each night. I have tried to take a couple Ambien this past week for the Insomnia and found that it doesn’t help and caused my ears to ring.  I take magnesium glycinate 400 MG and Dr gave me Clonidine 0.1 Mg 1 at bedtime. I’ve only taken that for three nights.  

[Bestill]

@PistolShrimp68 You have the best of the best helping you.  
 

@marie123 @Faure @slowphie 

 

Another fellow mirt who could use some support.

[Mirtazapine20mg]

Hi @PistolShrimp68, I won't give advice, just offer my support. I am also on the mirt-wagon and it is a beast. I know the nap adrenaline rushes very well. You are not alone with these symptoms. 

[PistolShrimp68]

Thank you very much!  I was feeling somewhat good last night ate my pill at normal time and never slept at all. So now I’m having extreme anxiety that I can’t get to go away. I’m just shocked that this is happening for only been on this pill for such a short time. It’s like my body is allergic to it, and my family wants me to stop it immediately. I never had those symptoms before I was just put on for sleep. Thanks again for trying to help

[Altostrata]

How did you feel before and after taking 15mg mirtazapine, before you reduced? How do you feel before and after taking 11.25mg mirtazapine?

[PistolShrimp68]

Good morning,  when I was taking the 15 Mg dose I felt  anxious, hungry and irritable. When I went down to 11.25 Mg I felt anxiety, depression and only sleeping 2 -3 hours per night. Last night for the first time I missed my dose  and slept 8 hrs waking up feeling the best I have felt in 1 month. It’s like when I take the medicine I feel wired  and obsessive. I’m almost scared to take it again . Thank you for trying to help me 

[Altostrata]

When was the last time you took diazepam?

 

You missed your dosage last night, how do you feel today?

[PistolShrimp68]

I took 5 Mg 6 am Sun morning due to extreme anxiety and zero sleep from Sat night. I’ve used it in the past and was not  able to sleep with no success. Only thing that was different this time was I didn’t eat the mirtazapine before falling asleep. 

[PistolShrimp68]

Today I seem to have less anxiety but I’m  little more sad and I seem to have less anxiety and obsessive thinking. Im sure a lot of it has to do with getting a full nights sleep for the last three or four weeks.  Thank you again for taking the time to help me. 

[Altostrata]

Not a surprise, since you took 5mg diazepam about 30 hours ago and it has a half-life of 30–56 hours.

 

Your taking diazepam intermittently is confounding your symptom pattern. Are there any weeks that you don't take diazepam? How often do you take it?

 

When you don't take diazepam for a week, how do you feel before and after taking mirtazapine? Does this still happen?

 

On 9/1/2022 at 12:47 PM, PistolShrimp68 said:

when I take my nightly dosage I can feel my head vibrating and feel like it’s making me manic and wake up two hours later.

 

[PistolShrimp68]

In the last month I’ve probably taken it  5-6 times. i’ve tried to only take it when I have extreme anxiety. I don’t try to take it with 
mirtzapine. Before all this broke loose when dropping to 11.25 mg from 15 Mg and getting anxiety, depression  and sleepless nights, it was about one and a half months prior that I had taken Valium.  When I do take it it seems to calm me down for about 4 to 6 hours. Do you recommend me just try not to take it at all ?  Thank you 

[PistolShrimp68]

I’m sorry I didn’t see your last question. When I take the mirtazapine since I made the drop it makes me feel anxious and not be able to turn my brain off. That’s without the Valium. if it gets too bad and I start to have shortness of breath or feels like maybe a panic attack is only when I would take it. 

[Altostrata]

It sounds like you might initially have had withdrawal symptoms when you reduced to 11.25mg mirtazapine, but if your symptoms increase after taking mirtazapine, they are not withdrawal symptoms, but an adverse effect of mirtazapine.

 

It's unusual to see this, but it seems your bout of withdrawal might have sensitized you to the mirtazapine you're still taking. You might try reducing to 10mg mirtazapine and see if that helps. Please let us know how you're doing.

 

It sounds like you're taking diazepam at least once a week. This does confuse your symptom pattern, but having diazepam available may come in handy for expediting your mirtazapine taper.

[PistolShrimp68]

So you’re saying come down 1.25 mg and see what happens ? Also, I was thinking about not taking it for one more night just to see if I could get another good night sleep ? Thank you again for taking the time to help I really do appreciate your time 

[Altostrata]

1 hour ago, PistolShrimp68 said:

When I take the mirtazapine since I made the drop it makes me feel anxious and not be able to turn my brain off. That’s without the Valium. if it gets too bad and I start to have shortness of breath or feels like maybe a panic attack is only when I would take it. 

 

This sure sounds like an adverse reaction. Suggest you reduce your dose approximately 10%, to 10mg. Please tell us how you're doing.

[PistolShrimp68]

Went down to 10Mg last night and didn’t sleep at all. Had vibrations from back of my head down my back. Thanks again for trying to help me.

[Altostrata]

It will take at least a week for the dosage reduction to take full effect.

[Gigi68]

Hi @PistolShrimp68, I felt just like you when I started Mirtazapine. It was like I had a bad reaction to it or was allergic to it. The longer I was on it, the worse I felt and I only took 7.5mg for 9 weeks. I couldn’t sleep at night or nap because of the adrenaline surges. It was truly horrific. I switched to homemade liquid before starting to taper. My first drop was 17% and that was too much. Then I did 5% for awhile. After several months I started sleeping a little better. After about 6 months I started being able to nap. I take one nearly every day and it has really helped. I know you are suffering and I’m so sorry but things will get better. Meditation, spending time outside, exercise, chamomile tea, and restorative yoga helped me get through that time. Also reading some Eckhart Tolle about acceptance really helped me. He also is on a lot of YouTube videos. I hope you find some relief soon. 

[PistolShrimp68]

Hi Gigi,

 

Thank you so much for trying to help me. I can’t nap and only been sleeping 2-3 hours a night and it has been brutal. I can’t wait to get off the poison.Did you find the lower you went the better the sleep got ? Thanks again for your kind words 

[Altostrata]

@PistolShrimp68 how has your symptom pattern changed since you reduced mirtazapine slightly to 10mg on Tuesday?

[PistolShrimp68]

Hi Altostrata,

 

I tried to cut down Tue night but ended up with zero sleep and brain vibrations. I ended up staying with my normal 11.25MG dose nervous I was going to pull another all nighter with no sleep. I just ordered  a scale and pill cutter and also spoke with another site member who said they will show me how to make the correct taper. I just woke up again tonight after only sleeping 2 1/2 hours and I can feel my brain with a low grade vibration while trying to sleep. Thank you for helping and I will respond back after tapering down to the correct 10 Mg for at least a week like you recommend. Thanks again so much and I really appreciate your time and help.

[Altostrata]

We need you to track when you take diazepam. Please keep daily notes of times o’clock you take your drugs, their dosages, and your symptoms throughout the day. We need to know how you feel before and after taking each drug, and your symptoms in between. Post 24 hours of notes at a time in this topic, in a simple list format with time o’clock on the left and notation (symptom or drug and dosage) on the right. This can show if your symptoms are adverse effects from one of your drugs.

[PistolShrimp68]

Thank you and I will start Tomorrow. I really appreciate your help 

[Gigi68]

Yes, my sleep has improved a lot although I would not say it is good. I wake up often in the night but am usually able to go back to sleep. Lately I’ve been using CBD:CBN if I wake up.  It helps me relax so I can go back to sleep. I had so many bad side effects on 7.5mg and nearly all of them have disappeared as I’ve tapered. I feel so much better. 

[PistolShrimp68]

Glad your feeling better Gigi.. It gives me hope

[PistolShrimp68]

Could use some help at the moment please. Yesterday evening I was feeling ok, then around my normal time I ate my 11.25 MG of  Mirtazapine. Thirty min later I started having really  bad adrenaline surges in my chest with bad forehead vibrations. I know I sound like a broken record but it always gets worse after taking the medicine. I was told by our administrator to go down to 10 MG but I’m waiting on my tapering tools I ordered, So last night I slept a total of one hour and thirty five minutes and having a hard time. If I’m having a bad reaction to medicine would it be possible to switch medications or bridge and taper from there. Any help would be greatly appreciated 

[PistolShrimp68]

I it’s only last 24 Hr

 

7:30 PM. Ate dinner. ( Sat Night). 2-10-22

8:15. Pm. Stomach and throat burns

8:30 PM. Took 2 20 MG.Omepraze

8:30 PM. 400 MG Mag GLycinate

9:10PM. Little Anxiety

10:15PM Ramelton 8MG

10:15PM. Clonidine. 0.1 MG

10:30 PM. 11.25 MG Mirtazapine

11: 15 PM. Bed

3:14. Am. Awake with vibrations in head ( stayed awake) Sun Morning 

6:27 Am. Depression & upset stomach

6:52. Ate Tums for stomach

8:15 Protein Shake and Vitamins

Vit C 1000Mg

Zinc 50 Mg

NAC. 600 MG

Probiotic

Fish oil. 1400MG

10:12 am shower/ less depression

11:30. Anxiety up

11:45. Lunch

11:45. 400 MG Magnesium/ D3

2:48. Pepto for stomach

2:48. Anxiety better after lunch

3:11. Afternoon meal

6:20PM. Fish oil 1400 MG

7:30. Dinner

8:15. Stomach. Pepto

9:00. 400 MG Magnesium

9:00. Ramelton. 8mg sleep

10:15. 11.25Mg. Mirtazapine

10:45 pm. Vibration In head with  real bad surges of adrenaline in chest 30 min after taking medicine

Slept 

7:I know it’s not 24 

8:15. Pm. Stomach and throat burns 

8:30 PM. Took 2 20 MG.Omepraze

8:30 PM. 400 MG Mag GLycinate

9:10PM. Little Anxiety

10:15PM Ramelton 8MG

10:15PM. Clonidine. 0.1 MG 

10:30 PM. 11.25 MG Mirtazapine 

11: 15 PM. Bed 

3:14. Am. Awake with vibrations in head ( stayed awake)

6:27 Am. Depression & upset stomach 

6:52. Ate Tums for stomach 

8:15 Protein Shake and Vitamins 

Vit C 1000Mg

Zinc 50 Mg

NAC. 600 MG

Probiotic 

Fish oil. 1400MG

9:00 am. Tried to take a nap but keep getting adrenaline rushes in my chest when dozing off

10:12 am shower/ less depression 

11:30. Anxiety up

11:45. Lunch

11:45. 400 MG Magnesium/ D3

2:48. Pepto for stomach 

2:48. Anxiety better after lunch 

3:11. Afternoon meal 

6:20PM. Fish oil 1400 MG

7:30. Dinner 

8:15. Stomach. Pepto

9:00. 400 MG Magnesium 

9:00. Ramelton. 8mg sleep

10:15. 11.25Mg. Mirtazapine 

10:45 pm. Increased Vibration In head real bad surges of adrenaline in chest 30 min after taking medicine. 

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Edited September 13, 2022 by Altostrata
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[Mirtazapine20mg]

Hi @PistolShrimp68, a mirt-warrior here for you. I will not offer advice, just explain what I have experienced. In my sleep deprived periodes my reaction to mirtazapine changes dramatically. Once I hallucinated when I took mirtazapine in the evening, and I have never in my life hallucinated (my washing machine was playing jazz, so not a scary hallucination). To me sleep is the key to an acceptable withdrawal from mirtazapine. When I am not sleeping I can’t distinguish the effects of sleep deprivation from the effects of mirtazapine withdrawal from the effects of withdrawing from mirtazapine sleep deprived.

 

I have read a good deal of your posts and you sound worried but at the same time level headed. I hope you can find comfort in the fact that I have been on mirtazapine 15-30 mg for over 15 years, and until I got the hang of mirt-withdrawal and how my body reacted I was exactly where you are (adrenaline rushes and the whole shebang. In my case I made way too big cuts and way too often). When I was in the middle of it I could see absolutely no good solutions, but eventually and slowly my body adjusted, and now I am on slow controlled taper, and even though life is not great, it is acceptable. Btw, you are in the best of hands.

 

Hang in there. Thoughts from a mirt-buddy.

 

[PistolShrimp68]

Thank you. Mirtazapine20   I find your words very comforting. I’m just surprised because I haven’t tapered in over a month. Thank you again for your kind words

[marie123]

Hi PistolShrimp. I'm another Mirt taper person and doing a slow careful taper. I have had problems with getting stable on my dose a couple of times. At the start I had trouble, when I switched to liquid, syringe error, and went I went back to weighing. Once you get settled on a dose it will improve. When are you getting your scale? Marie.

[PistolShrimp68]

Hi Marie ,

 

it came in today. I have another dilemma… I was told that I have glaucoma and this medicine is not recommended. It only keeps getting worse😖. Now I guess I need to learn how to figure out what 10 mg would be. Should I still drop when I’m only getting 1-2  hours of sleep ? Thank you everyone for trying to help and it is greatly appreciated.

[marie123]

Hello. Yes I would go down to 10 mg. The Mirt might be overstimulating you at your current dose and that could be while your sleep is so affected. Mirt works better for sleep on lower doses. Open up the scale, read the instructions, and try to get familiar with it. Weigh a pill and see how much it weighs. It's easy to use once you know how to use it. Marie.

[PistolShrimp68]

1 hour ago, marie123 said:

Thank you Marie, I’m going to read up on it now. Thanks again