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Barbarannamated

Had hallucinations last night - very similar to febrile hallucinations I had as kid - I was stuck on ceiling looking down, things looked far away that are in the room. Ive never had this since I was a kid and didnt have a fever. Still scary. I'm very dizzy and disoriented this morning ( more than usual).

 

No people or hearing voices involved. Husband is at sister's about hour away. I texted him and told him, but no response.

 

Any thoughts?

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ajnjj

Silent migraine???

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ajnjj

Or Alice in wonderland syndrome - part of EBV...

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annej

I am taking a stab at the possibility that this was derealization? :) Hugs, Annej

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Nikki

Barb....my first thought was, it wasn't really a hallucination, but a very vivid dream that left you feeling uncomfortable. These types of dreams leave us tired and disoriented the next day.

 

I used to have a recurring dream for 40 some odd years. I finally told a therapist and she explained it to me and I never had it again. Can you elaborate on it. If you were on the ceiling you were at a safe distance, protecting youself from something you probably did not want to be in. You were being cautious and observing and could not be touched on ceiling.

 

You were actually taking care of yourself in this dream which is a good thing.

 

This helped me, hope it helps you. Can you draw a pic of it?

 

Hugs

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Barbarannamated

Or Alice in wonderland syndrome - part of EBV...

 

Ajnjj,

Thank you for this info! I was aware that migraine and many other neurologic conditions could produce hallucinations, but never heard of this. One article states that 50% of kids are positive for EBV by age 5. I wouldn't be surprised if that was what caused my hallucinations as a kid. I got them regularly with fevers and they weren't of too great concern, apparently. Scared the heck outa me, I remember clearly. I would beg my parents to get me down from the ceiling. Their heads looked BIG and bodies small, like caricatures. And things were far away. Everything distorted. I was fully awake. I wasn't dancing. :o. (Reference to 80s song)

 

The other nite, it was brief, but I recognized it immediately. It is very different than derealization or dream.

 

Also finding info about visual hallucinations with visual impairment. My vision has been poor most of my life and especially troubling during withdrawal and the last few days. Post vitreous detachment. May be coincidence.

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ajnjj

Barb,

 

You are welcome. I recognized what you said and I thought of the EBV and the Alice in wonderland syndrome. I wonder if your having a flare? Are your glands swollen? How is your throat? Also, my 3 year old and 5 year old tested positive for EBV. How about that?!

 

Hope you are feeling better.

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Barbarannamated

Ajnjj,

 

Sorry. Just noticed this.

Ive never been tested for EBV. Interesting, considering the primary symptom that earned me the Zoloft prescription in 1993 was fatigue.

 

Just mentioned this episode to a small group of friends online, careful to say "neurologic event". The social worker of the group asked me if there was "a reputable psych hospital for a thorough workup" near me. Aside from the contradictions in that one statement, it is frightening how quickly people are trained to think "abnormal/psychiatry" for medical issues.

 

B

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Shanti

I just ordered a book called "Sleep Paralysis; A Dreamers Guide". It's about how to turn the crazy and terrifying sleep disorders such as Sleep Paralysis, Hypnogogic Hallucinations, Head Noise, Vibrations, etc. into a positive journey of Lucid Dreaming or Out of Body Experiences (OBE) It looks like a very good and practical book. I've had sleep disorders like this all of my life, and it's been magnified terribly since the w/d.

 

I'm going to stop fighting things and try to turn them positive. I feel like these things are "Dwellers on the threshold", that I need to stop fighting. Even before I had w/d syndrome, I had many experiences with symptoms upon falling asleep that remind me of the w/d symptoms (minus the zaps). The "whooshing" and "Buzzing" sound is known to happen before an OBE, or "Atral Traveling". I may be stepping out of the Symptom topics into the Finding Meaning area. But this discussion can be anything dream related, scientific or spiritual. Any thoughts?

 

 

Here is a website that gives good advice on how to turn these experiences into something positive. How To Stop Sleep Paralysis and Turn it Into a Lucid Dream.

 

I feel that if I can get a handle and an "allowed" control over these things, then it will help me get out of the emotional and anxiety dreams as well. I still have to take Stramonium every night before bed to keep me from the anxiety dreams. Truly, I feel that I have PTSD from a few of the anxiety dreams I had at the very beginning of my w/d experience. Even when the dreams at face value weren't scary or nightmarish, they had a very strong emotion, dread and doom feeling to them that still scares me when I think about it. I've never had dreams traumatize me so much.

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Altostrata

Very creative approach, Shanti. Thank you.

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Nadia

I had a lucid dream, I think for the first time ever, a few months ago. I started thinking I should try to cultivate lucid dreaming as a way to potentially stay asleep and maybe even sleep deeper. Let us know if you have any success!

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flong

Over the years, I noticed that if I missed a dose of Effexor, I'll wake up the next morning with a really odd sensation.

Aside from the strange dreams, brain zaps, etc., I wake up with crazy closed eye visuals.

The only way I can describe it is my brain is sending me information faster than I can process it...like my brain is sending my eyes flashcards of random pictures a light speed. Often there will be strange sounds and other weird sensations as well.

Since I tapered down 10% of my regular dose a few weeks ago I wake up almost every day with this. It's worse if I don't get enough sleep. It goes away after a while, but I definitely feel "out of it" most of the day regardless. There are also minor visual disturbances throughout the day, but this one in particular scares the hell outta me.

I'm just hoping it's part of the WD and not a permanent fixture of my existence now.

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smartgun

Hallucinations were the reason I stopped taking effexor.

 

Like, lucid, confused for reality hallucinations.

 

I currently still have sub-hallucinations and constant rainbow static in my field of vision.

 

I have the same sensations you describe when falling asleep.

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Altostrata

flong, how about putting back a few beads of Effexor XR? It sounds like maybe the 10% decrease was a little too much for you.

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Altostrata

Yes, it's the only good thing about Effexor XR.

 

If I were you, I'd make smaller decrease. Morning hallucinations sound like a red flag.

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flong

No problems this morning. Just fatiuge.

So im probably over analyzing this, but my first reaction is that is hallucination are caused by something I'm eating...chances are the lack of the drug is playing tricks on me though. I cant believe how horrible it is to come off this stuff. Its 130 in the afternoon and i havent been able to get out of bed. This is not like me. Hope i can recover from this first reduction soon.

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Altostrata

Something you've eaten? Unless it's magic mushrooms, it's more likely your nervous system has stabilized a bit, thank the deity.

 

Please taper by a smaller amount next time, flong.

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Shanti
Hypnopompic Hallucinations. While the ones you have with your eyes closed before sleep are Hypnogognic Hallucinations. Many people do this naturally. Like me. But they are much worse with the w/d syndrome. Niacin really helps with them. It's dream imagery you're still having while you start to have conscious awareness.

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Bellisimo

Anyone have had hallucinations in withdrawal from psyk drugs?

 

I had never experienced it before going on and when i quit my medicine i had massive hallucinations, often when i go to bed i saw things and also colorful patterns and stuff, its not so often now but earlier i had it

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Altostrata

Hallucinations are a recognized potential symptom in psychiatric drug withdrawal, including antidepressants.

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

I would get patterns behind my lids if I closed my eyes after my final awakening in the morning if I tried to squeeze in a few more zzzz's. Slightly alarming because they are so strange. That's when I give up and wake up for good. Such odd symptoms we all get.

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NewMe

I see patterns of color when eyes are closed, too. Always have but worse now

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WinningThrough

Ok so I'm freaking out a little.

 

Managed to go out for a walk with my boyfriend. He pointed out 2 pigeons on one of the roofs. Then we saw a couple of corgi dogs being walked and he pointed these out to me too. My boyfriend said "you don't often see those on the roof" referring to the pigeons and for a split second I saw the two corgis on the roof in my minds eye. I almost said No, you don't often see corgis on the roof. Then I realised my mistake. Am I losing the plot??? I didn't actually see them on the roof, it was more like a dream.

 

Last weekend he was ironing while we were both in the lounge. I later asked if he needed any work shirts ironing and he said he'd just ironed four right in front of me.

 

I seem to be going completely potty.

 

Is this withdrawal or am I starting to lose my mind? I've never hallucinated before but now I'm wondering what to expect next. Anything could happen at this stage.

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Addax

This doesn't sound like hallucinations WT. Not at all. You said you didn't actually see the corgi's on the roof but saw them in your mind's eye... You imagined them is what I'm guessing you mean. People do that quite often! Thats why eyewitness testimony is often called into question. I had someone tell me a story about seeing a certain cat in a coffee shop I frequent. I could swear I'd seen it too... I don't know why the image got caught in my head like a memory, but it did.

 

And the shirts being ironed? Again, sounds normal to me. You may not have been paying attention to such a mundane behavior. Have you ever driven and suddenly realized you "hadn't been paying attention" and were much further along in your drive than you realized? It happens a lot when people make the same drive repeatedly as well, like driving to work. Or when someone is reading and doesn't hear you repeatedly call their name? It's a form of dissociation. Again, normal.

 

I'm pretty sure you're ok and haven't gone potty or lost your plot.

 

:)

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WinningThrough

Thanks Addax. You've made me feel better :-)

 

You've reminded me that this is all normal stuff. Before all this happened, I did loads of stuff on autopilot, as everyone does. I guess because I feel so cognitively impaired, nothing feels normal so anything that would have been normal in the past feels abnormal now. In my 'normal' times, I'd quite often be so wrapped up in something I was doing that I wouldn't notice what was going on around me. And in the past, I would have made a joke about the corgis because, well, it's quite a funny image really!

 

Thank you :-)

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dalsaan

How's your sleep? This stuff happens to me when I'm sleep deprived. Brain a bit sluggish

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mammaP

How's your sleep? This stuff happens to me when I'm sleep deprived. Brain a bit sluggish

Me too Dalsaan. I  remember when I was going through many drug changes in a short space of time. I saw cats

everywhere, just fleeting, like in the corner of my eye, and would hear my name being said but  not sure how or

where from.  While on effexor full dose I often forgot things that had just happened ( like the ironing incident) .

 

I'm not sure that I would call them hallucinations, they were not real and I never thought they were, just strange.

There are changes going on in the brain so I think it is not surprising to experience some of these things,

especially when sleep deprived as Dalsaan said. I don't think you are going loopy at all, you are aware that what's

happening isn't real.  I suspect that it will soon pass, but this is only my opinion from my own experiences. 

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tyson

As mentioned above, hallucination is potential side effect of withdrawal from antipsychotic medication and antidepressants. So, would that mean some one having hallucination during tapering from antipsychotic medication is having side effect?  and is that an acceptable reaction to the meds. should I have to hold on my tapering until the hallucination go away or I should continue to taper while hallucination? any input pls. thanks

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Jemima

As Alto said above, hallucinations are a known, "acceptable" withdrawal symptom.  Not everyone gets them in psychiatric drug withdrawal, but they're not uncommon either.

 

As for whether or not to hold on your taper, I'd guess that if the hallucinations aren't interfering with your daily functioning it would be okay to continue the taper.  If you're seeing things that aren't there while driving or doing other activities of daily living, for example, then it would probably be a good idea to hold until the hallucinations stop.  But please keep in mind that this is only a guess.

 

I would also guess that hallucinations come from the brain repairing itself in the haphazard way it does when recovering from psychiatric drug withdrawal. 

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Altostrata

Bellismo is much better now -- see her Intro topic.

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Bellisimo

You people who have been having hallucinations during w/d

What did you see/smell/felt or doing now?

 

I saw alot of patterns on my wall, also spiders and animals. 
I heard big sounds like a bomb sometimes (but it wasnt there) 
I also had taste different, it felt like I had soil in my mounth and everything i ate tasted like that ><

 

happily it didnt stay for long but a few months atleast! 

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Petunia

I never actually thought of them as true 'hallucinations', but more like sensory or perception disturbances. Visually, I was seeing shadow animals, mostly cats. I got some loud head noises, things like a door slamming, an explosion and some trains going through my room. I got a metallic taste in my mouth and phantom smells.

 

For a while, especially when I went out and my DP/DR got particularly bad, it would seem like things were moving (when they weren't), or changing shape, it was like everything was being reflected in one of those distorted mirrors, and colors were not right.

 

I'm not sure what its called but I also had episodes where my senses were getting mixed up, I was tasting smells and feeling sounds.

 

Most of this has settled down for me now, but I've had a few loud head sounds lately, not as bad as they were a few years back though.

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btdt

"episodes where my senses were getting mixed up"

I could hear my eyeballs move... they made a sound it came when brain zaps hit me every time I moved my eyes. 

 

Shadows out of the corner of my eye always moving there was never anything there.  Blobs of transparent colour on top of any visual picture but often on paper or the sky or yellow balls floating in the air on the wall... just floating around or over some part of my visual field. 

 

Sudden fear so believable I reacted to it jumped fences ran ect...

 

A sense that something was in a place like an animal was under a shrub ect I could not hear or see it but I knew it was there so I would check....  and there actually was an animal... that was freaky. 

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shamaan

I never actually thought of them as true 'hallucinations', but more like sensory or perception disturbances. Visually, I was seeing shadow animals, mostly cats. I got some loud head noises, things like a door slamming, an explosion and some trains going through my room. I got a metallic taste in my mouth and phantom smells.

 

For a while, especially when I went out and my DP/DR got particularly bad, it would seem like things were moving (when they weren't), or changing shape, it was like everything was being reflected in one of those distorted mirrors, and colors were not right.

 

I'm not sure what its called but I also had episodes where my senses were getting mixed up, I was tasting smells and feeling sounds.

 

Most of this has settled down for me now, but I've had a few loud head sounds lately, not as bad as they were a few years back though.

I had it too , seeing shadow animals. I have two cats at my home , and sometimes I thought I saw them moving in the corner of my eye , but they weren't. It think it was WD related , I don't have it anymore. Another thing i had was hypnagogic hallucinations , like waking up thinking someone was calling my name. One time i had explosion head syndrome while falling asleep. All very weird.

 

I recall also hearing my cellphone tone for a message at times when in fact I didn't got any messages.

 

Hm not thought of that in a long time. In retrospect it really sounds strange. But this all passed.

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btdt

"hypnagogic hallucinations , like waking up thinking someone was calling my name"

 

I have had that did not know it had a name and always found it difficult to shake a dream when I woke up ... this reminds me of a being on the drugs more then wd... 

line from a song

woke but the dream did not end ... Crow 

 

when I awoke

The dream didn't end

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/sherylcrow/ordinarymorning.html

 

I wonder if people who took acid or LDS had these things... I don't know anyone who took it so I can't ask... but I wonder

 

There were tons of people seeing things out of the corner of their eyes at the effexor site and once one person said it everyone else was so relieved it is very common with Effexor at least

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ang

CT from god knows what,  EVERYTHING,  3 weeks drugged to the eyeballs, sent home on nothing......... Hallucinations?  A sign side of the road, it said  "Your dad loves you"........ he suicided 40 years before................  our brains play tricks on us, to help us survive, I am sure................ no one else saw this mythical sign, but god, it helped me, stay sane enough, in my horrific, beyond belief withdrawals,  yep from everything given to me against my will, for three damn weeks, to CT............................  god they were cruel,  but they didnt know in the 90s, apparently these things arent addictive, remember? 

 

I have had the radio talking just to me....................... and only I knew they were talking just to me..........  anything happens in WD!!~!!      stay well, ignore the voices, ignore the signs,  and if the hallucination is fun, go with it! :)  Just make sure you are safely at home  :)

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