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Hi everyone

 

I've been struggling with my sleep -again. Very broken from 11-3 then very little afterward. I often have a great initial response to a new supplement, particularly Amino acids. I have posted some of my sleep successes here. Trouble is, it doesn't last. I find after 3-4 days the effect wears off. Happened with taurine and more recently Glycine. This happens despite the fact that I am an eternal optimist (ironic isn't it, given what I'm trying to off)

 

This persistent insomnia and very temporary amino outcomes has started to get me wondering whether I will be able to go any lower that the dose I'm on now. My rule is always to wait until my sleep is manageable but that's not happening. My other thought has been to rotate the aminos so that I don't build up the tolerance to them (I've purchased a new one today (inositol).

 

This goes against e stability/minimum change philosophy but what's a girl to do. Does anyone have any thoughts/experience with a rotation of aminos to avoid them pooping out?

 

Advice much appreciated as always

 

Dalsaan

Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

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Hi Dalsaan,

 

What dose of mirtazapine are you on at the moment? Is it possible that you tapered a bit far and you are 'catching up' so to speak? Maybe waiting until sleep was manageable is not enough with a drug that has such a STRONG hold on sleep.

 

I have absolutely no idea about rotating the supplements, but i can't see how it would hurt - if you had seven different supplements you could take a different one every night of the week :lol:

 

Seriously though, I guess you are doing some exercise everyday? I also don't know how this would work with drug withdrawal insomnia, but what if you were to get up when you wake up and don't go back to sleep after 10 mins - stay up and fold washing or iron or something until you are tired again and then go back to bed - if you don't fall asleep in 10 minutes get up again - and keep on going. Go to bed at the same time each night and get up at the same time. Believe it or not, before i changed professions i worked as a nurse - Once a year i ran a 6 week 'sleep better's group in a community health setting with a psychologist. This was well received and worked well for people - its a bit like controlled crying with children. The first few nights some people got NO sleep, but when they persevered they all ended up sleeping 6, 7 or 8 hours a night. They just really reprogrammed their bodies to sleep when they went to bed. But we excluded people who had other issues (like depression) in case it made them worse. When i was doing this job i didn't have my 'no sleep' phobia - i seem to lose all my common sense and ability to think reasonably when i am in withdrawal - I am two different people, like Jekyll and Hyde :lol:

Started in 2000 - On 150mg most of the time, (but up to 225mg at highest dose for 6 months in the beginning)
Reduced off easily first time - but got depressed (not too much anxiety) 6 months later
Back on effexor for another 9 months.
Reduced off again with no immediate w/d - suddenly got depressed and anxious ++ again 3 or 4 months later.
Back on effexor - this time for 3 years
Reduced off over a month - 6 weeks later terrible anxiety - back on.
Rinse and repeat 4 more times - each time the period before the anxiety comes back got shorter and shorter
Jan - July 2012 75mg down to 37.5mg;, 8/3/12 - 35mg. 8/25/12 - 32mg. 9/11- 28mg, 10/2 - 25mg, 10/29 - 22mg, 11/19 - 19.8mg; 12/11 - 17m,
1/1- 15.5mg; 1/22 -14mg, 2/7 14.9mg, 2/18 - 17.8mg - crashed big time: back to 75mg where i sat for 2 years....

4th  March 2015 - 67.5mg;   31st March - 60mg;  24th April - 53mg; 13th May - 48mg; 26th May - 45mg;  9th June - 41mg; 1 July- 37.5mg; 20 July - 34mg; 11 August - 31mg; 1st Sept - 28mg;  1st Dec - 25.8mg;  28th Dec - 23.2mg; 23rd Jan-21.9mg; Feb 7th- 21mg; March 1st - 20.1mg, March 30th - 18mg

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Hi Dalsaan,

 

I am sorry to hear about your experiences after you were hopeful about the glycine. But I sadly can't say I am surprised since this happens with sleep meds.

 

You have nothing to lose my rotating them in my opinion.

 

Hang in there.

 

CS

 

 

 

Hi everyone

 

I've been struggling with my sleep -again. Very broken from 11-3 then very little afterward. I often have a great initial response to a new supplement, particularly Amino acids. I have posted some of my sleep successes here. Trouble is, it doesn't last. I find after 3-4 days the effect wears off. Happened with taurine and more recently Glycine. This happens despite the fact that I am an eternal optimist (ironic isn't it, given what I'm trying to off)

 

This persistent insomnia and very temporary amino outcomes has started to get me wondering whether I will be able to go any lower that the dose I'm on now. My rule is always to wait until my sleep is manageable but that's not happening. My other thought has been to rotate the aminos so that I don't build up the tolerance to them (I've purchased a new one today (inositol).

 

This goes against e stability/minimum change philosophy but what's a girl to do. Does anyone have any thoughts/experience with a rotation of aminos to avoid them pooping out?

 

Advice much appreciated as always

 

Dalsaan

 

Drug cocktail 1995 - 2010
Started taper of Adderall, Wellbutrin XL, Remeron, and Doxepin in 2006
Finished taper on June 10, 2010

Temazepam on a PRN basis approximately twice a month - 2014 to 2016

Beginning in 2017 - Consumption increased to about two times per week

April 2017 - Increased to taking it full time for insomnia

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Hi Peggy

 

I'm on 2ml of the mirtazapine. I've been in that for a while now.

 

I've tried the getting up stuff. It didn't work and when I have to work in the morning it's too much.

 

Fingers crossed on the inositol and rotation strategy (pending other feedback)

 

Cheers

 

Dalsaan

Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017

 

>My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan

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I totally understand not being able to do 'controlled sleeping' - you really have to be off work to do something as drastic as that.

 

I am looking forward to hearing how the inositol goes tonight.

 

Sending you sleepy time zzzzzz's

Started in 2000 - On 150mg most of the time, (but up to 225mg at highest dose for 6 months in the beginning)
Reduced off easily first time - but got depressed (not too much anxiety) 6 months later
Back on effexor for another 9 months.
Reduced off again with no immediate w/d - suddenly got depressed and anxious ++ again 3 or 4 months later.
Back on effexor - this time for 3 years
Reduced off over a month - 6 weeks later terrible anxiety - back on.
Rinse and repeat 4 more times - each time the period before the anxiety comes back got shorter and shorter
Jan - July 2012 75mg down to 37.5mg;, 8/3/12 - 35mg. 8/25/12 - 32mg. 9/11- 28mg, 10/2 - 25mg, 10/29 - 22mg, 11/19 - 19.8mg; 12/11 - 17m,
1/1- 15.5mg; 1/22 -14mg, 2/7 14.9mg, 2/18 - 17.8mg - crashed big time: back to 75mg where i sat for 2 years....

4th  March 2015 - 67.5mg;   31st March - 60mg;  24th April - 53mg; 13th May - 48mg; 26th May - 45mg;  9th June - 41mg; 1 July- 37.5mg; 20 July - 34mg; 11 August - 31mg; 1st Sept - 28mg;  1st Dec - 25.8mg;  28th Dec - 23.2mg; 23rd Jan-21.9mg; Feb 7th- 21mg; March 1st - 20.1mg, March 30th - 18mg

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Dalsaan....

 

There are CD's that are targeted for sleep that you listen to while laying down at night.

What about journaling about the sleep while in bed? You can address a letter Dear Sleep, and journal about whatever and keep going till you get it up and out on paper.

 

You can tell sleep that you need to draw truce. This practice is used by some clinicians for people with HIV and other illnesses. It can't hurt.

 

I need to take my own advise. Last night I worked until Midnight and I have a huge issue 'winding down' when I work after 6-7pm, especially if I eat when I come home.

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Hi Dalsaan,

 

I'm so sorry about your sleep problems. That has to be very troublesome for someone that has to work the next day.

 

I don't think there is an issue with rotating supplements that aid with sleep. The way I understand it, the problem comes with meds or supplements that cross the blood brain barrier.

 

Tryptophan is one that is believed to possibly cause 'down regulation' and Alto told me I could take it occasionally, so I think you would be ok in rotating yours.

 

I hope it gets better soon!

 

Hugs,

Tezza

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Absolutely, rotate the aminos.

 

This is very common with supplements, they'll work for a while, they stop working. Maybe they get topped up and your system can't feel the additions any more.

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Dalsaan- Im not sure how we havent seen one anothers posts before...

The same thing happened with me and glycine- it didnt make me sleep more, but I still felt more rested from the few hours of sleep I got. Also happened with inositol back in December. Maybe its time I gave inositol a try again. I took glycine for a week, was off it for a week, tried it again and... nothing. I wonder how long I have to be away from it to have it work again... and conversely, I wonder how frequently (as with your rotation plan) I can take it without it "pooping out."

 

Ive always loved sleep, but never before did I feel like my entire life was wrapped up in it. I remain hopeful that I can develop a more healthy relationship with sleep and that my body can heal to a point when I can relax/sleep adequately. I sure am hopeful that this is just withdrawal and my body can still heal.

 

Francis

2003-2010 up and down 10-40mg celexa for anxiety
2/2011 10mg
8/2011 5mg for 3 wks, then stopped completely.
middle of night waking after apx 1-2 hours of sleep (nightly), panic/jitteriness after waking
11/11 back on 30mg celexa, ambien/many supplements-insomnia/panic.
2/12 30mg celexa, many supplements (Magnesium eliminated morning tight chest/jitteriness). Off ambien!
7/12 20mg
8/12 15 mg(sleep improving,mood pos)
12/12 2.3 mg got liquid celexa!
1/13 2.1 mg
3/13 1.2 mg
4/13 down to .6 too quickly- cortisol spikes, middle of night waking, night sweats...
4/13 held at .6 for 3 weeks so far. Off most supplements as well. Withdrawal depression almost gone!

7/13 OFF OF CELEXA!!!

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Thanks everyone for your help

 

I'm going to try a 3 day rotation ie take nothing for longer than 3 days in a row and see how that goes.

 

I've tried all the cd stuff and I use a sleep hypnosis app on my phone with sleep headphones to get to sleep. This doesn't work in terms of getting back to sleep when I've woken up early in the night

 

Anyway see how the rotation policy goes. I'm thinking the trick is to rotate before poop out sets in or you may have to wait a fair while before it works again

 

Francis, let me know how you get on

 

Dalsaan

Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

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>My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan

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Hi Dalsaan,

 

So sorry you're having trouble sleeping.

 

My answer is: absolutely - this happens to me with any and every supplement I take (amino or otherwise). I took melatonin for a few days, that was great then didn't work at all. Same with Lactium.

 

I don't know what it is about my body but it seems to adapt really quickly to any 'foreign body'. I'm not one to take supplements just for the sake of it. They have to make me feel different in a good way. Maybe as Alto says, rotate them and see if that helps.

 

I'm no expert on tapering but I'd want to stabilize my sleeping before lowering the dose.

 

I hope you get some good quality sleep soon.

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On and off meds from 2003-2006.
February 2006 back on 20mg citalopram and stayed on it until my last attempt at tapering in September 2011.
By far the worst withdrawal symptoms ever. Reinstated to 20mg citalopram
October 2012 - found this forum!
Nov 2012 to Feb 2013 did 10% taper, got doen to 11mg - was going great until stressful situation. Cortisol levels hit the roof, hideous insomnia forced me to updose to 20mg.
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Have you tried Phosphatidyl Serine? It's supposed to help regulate cortisol. I'm taking it now, 100 mg. at lunch and dinner and it seems to help prevent early morning awakenings.

 

So sorry you're having all these problems with sleep. They seem to be one of the worst parts of withdrawal.

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Hi Jemima

 

I have tried it, didnt do much at the time but I think I was in extreme withdrawal. Might try it again

 

cheers

 

Dalsaan

Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017

 

>My intro post is here - http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2250-dalsaan

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Dalsaan, so how has the rotation been working for you? I pooped out on the inositol, unfortunately. It worked great for around 5 days and now nothing. I guess your 3 days max plan might be a better plan for me too. I think tryptophan helped me in the past but only for a few days, so maybe I can try that again as well. Which calming aminos are you rotating? I wonder how long I need to be off the inositol and glycine before they can help again.

Im definitely having cortisol surges in the morning again, waking up around 4am sweaty, heart beating hard and chest tightness. Ugh.

When I sleep and wake up calm, its like pure magic- I feel wonderful and my day goes by so smoothly no matter what happens externally!

2003-2010 up and down 10-40mg celexa for anxiety
2/2011 10mg
8/2011 5mg for 3 wks, then stopped completely.
middle of night waking after apx 1-2 hours of sleep (nightly), panic/jitteriness after waking
11/11 back on 30mg celexa, ambien/many supplements-insomnia/panic.
2/12 30mg celexa, many supplements (Magnesium eliminated morning tight chest/jitteriness). Off ambien!
7/12 20mg
8/12 15 mg(sleep improving,mood pos)
12/12 2.3 mg got liquid celexa!
1/13 2.1 mg
3/13 1.2 mg
4/13 down to .6 too quickly- cortisol spikes, middle of night waking, night sweats...
4/13 held at .6 for 3 weeks so far. Off most supplements as well. Withdrawal depression almost gone!

7/13 OFF OF CELEXA!!!

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hi there i have been using tryptophan to fall asleep for about a month now it seems to work most nights. I tried melatonin but it didn't work for me but i wonder if i should go back to 5htp and rotate with the tryptophan??? Tryptophan worked best for me but it could be coming to and end it hasn't been working lately. But i don't know if this is because i am trying to start to go back to the gym and on the nights i workout i can't sleep no matter what i take..Im hoping this will eventually calm down. but for now i just keep taking the tryptophan because there is nothing like falling asleep and waking up its wonderful and i feel human.. on the nights i can't sleep trying to sleep is the worst part of all this its been alitlle over 3 months now,,

2007 started 40 mg of prozac was on it for 7 years

may 2016 went off my prozac

tapered from 40-20 for 2 months 20-10 for a month then 10 for a month

now I'm taking omega 3 fish oil using magnesium spray

taking calcium lactate and alternating melatonin and tryptophan for help with falling asleep

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yeah I'm pretty sure the tryptophan is not working anymore haven't been able to fall asleep for a few days now. there is nothing like that tossing and turning to make me dread going to sleep.. But i keep taking the tryptophan in hopes it will work. Im gonna try and not take it tonight but i wonder at this point if it is working like a placebo just because i think its gonna work eventually again.. I don't know if my nervous system can heal if i can't get any sleep?

2007 started 40 mg of prozac was on it for 7 years

may 2016 went off my prozac

tapered from 40-20 for 2 months 20-10 for a month then 10 for a month

now I'm taking omega 3 fish oil using magnesium spray

taking calcium lactate and alternating melatonin and tryptophan for help with falling asleep

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I started taking 50 mg of 5-HTP at night. It did help me sleep but invariably woke with a headache. Because it seemed to be helping me sleep and improve my mood I kept taking it in spite of the headaches. Then after a couple of weeks I noticed I was getting very anxious and weepy.

I hadn't been dropping from prozac for eight months but this felt like bad withdrawal symptoms. I stopped the 5-HTP and the anxiety and crying let up. Wonder if anyone else had this kind of experience.

I also tried taking 500 mg of L-Tryptophan in the mornings with B6. I always had a strange prickling sensation in my skin, mild nausea and feeling out of breath afterwards. A bit like a flush after taking Niacin but not the same. I can't find any reports of this as a known side effect. Anyone else had this experience or know the cause?

On 20 mg of Prozac for about ten years. Sept 2012 started reducing 10% a drop using gram scale, with average of one month holds.

When I'd reached the half way mark, taking 10 mg  powder out of the 20 mg capsules, I switched over to 10 mg capsules and cutting

down from those. Withdrawals got harder the lower I dropped.  May 2013 changed to 5% drops, holding until all withdrawal symptoms gone.

January 2015 changed to liquid prozac (concentration of 20MG per 5 mL) using a 1mL oral syringe.

Current dose of fluoxetine solution equivalent 3.4 mg. Any effort to drop below this has been disastrous so for the time being I'm staying at this level.
Adding 200 mg Tryptophan and 200 GABA a day has helped with anxiety.
Also take 1,300mg Omega- 3,  875mg  Magnesium, 1800mg Curcumin, 1000mg Vit C, 5000 Vit D.
 

 

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I started taking 50 mg of 5-HTP at night. It did help me sleep but invariably woke with a headache. Because it seemed to be helping me sleep and improve my mood I kept taking it in spite of the headaches. Then after a couple of weeks I noticed I was getting very anxious and weepy.

I hadn't been dropping from prozac for eight months but this felt like bad withdrawal symptoms. I stopped the 5-HTP and the anxiety and crying let up. Wonder if anyone else had this kind of experience.

I also tried taking 500 mg of L-Tryptophan in the mornings with B6. I always had a strange prickling sensation in my skin, mild nausea and feeling out of breath afterwards. A bit like a flush after taking Niacin but not the same. I can't find any reports of this as a known side effect. Anyone else had this experience or know the cause?

I got a lot of that during my times of taking 5-HTP. I got tired of it.

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My self imposed Amino Acid Therapy: Tyrosine 500mg 1xday, Theanine 200 mg 1xday, & Taurine 500 mg 2x day. (All neurotransitter pre-cursors)- seems to have helped me immensely. And of course- eating healthy, including Black Beans for the oligosaccharides for gut health.

 

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Hi fellow insomniacs..

 

sleep has been one of the biggest withdrawal symptoms for me..im 1 and a half years off fluroxetine SSRI and I have no trouble falling asleep..but get 3..4..5 hours max a night..what I would do to get 8 or 9 hours of sleep. My body feels hot and agitated when I wake, i have no anxiety just an inability to stay asleep..Weird thing is most days I am able to get through work etc but I am heavily brain fogged and surreal for most days. I haven't tried any Amino acids yet and i'm wondering could they help with sleep? Which ones should i try?

 

Any suggesstions i'd be so grateful..i'm beyond desperate right now x

 

2008–2016 fluroxetine 20mg
2017  fast taper 
Nov 2020 almost 4 years off psych med 

 

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What have you tried so far M1111?

We have another topic on Tips to help sleep-that awful W/D insomnia  that you might find helpful.

I'll leave your post here though......in case any of the amino users come around.

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Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time).

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12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs.  My last psycho med ever!  Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to

2016 Dec 16 medication free!!

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