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Around 15 weeks ago I stopped Citalopram. I'd been on them for 18 months and felt fine. On advise from my doctor I reduced down to 10mg a day for a week, then 10mg nothing 10mg nothing for a week, then finally 10mg nothing nothing 10mg nothing nothing. In hindsight this was a very quick tapering. 

 

I'd been put on them due to anxiety. Since 2009 I'd experienced little bits of anxiety in lecture halls, trains, cinema, large crowds. But nothing major until 2012. I'd gone on a train and felt awful and went shopping and just felt strange...just a strange unease feeling that wouldn't go away. 2 months later I was due to go away for a week to Turkey. I immediately was scared to death of sitting on a plane for 5 hours. Worked myself up. Got on the plane and felt hideous, but not majorly bad. Anyway I had a few drinks and relaxed. Whilst on holiday I had a permanent hangover, was also smoking like a chimney. I used drink to get my through the day time as my heart was racing and I felt so scared. I asked the rep to get me on an earlier flight but there was no spaces. I was trapped in a foreign country petrified, with 3 other girls who didn't have a clue. I felt humiliated, beaten, weak, tired, hopeless, like my life was over. I'd never experienced this before and I had no idea what to do. The last day was horrific I knew I had to get back home but getting on the plane in a worse state than when I came to Turkey was killing me. I made it back in one piece, fell asleep on the plane as I hadnt slept in a week. 

 

Anyway, when I arrived home I was withdrawing from a week of binge drinking, my heart was racing i couldnt keep still. I had to go to the hospital and have diazepam to calm me down. Visited the gp the next day and he put me on citalopram. Even though, I didn't really need it. As I felt "ok ish" Anyway, was on them 18 months, then as they do the GP suggests you come off them. They have no idea about tapering or withdrawal. So here I am now 15 weeks after my last tablet. And today Im having a "bad" day. 

 

I totally understand the waves and windows. Im going to 2 different counsellors (one through uni and one paid) Mum and dad want me "normal" again. In one of my window days I booked to go and see my friend in spain. Going on Monday 9th June 2014. Now Im terrified. Todays a bad day. I have an essay to write for uni and Im struggling to sit still and concentrate. I just want to sleep. I hope this nightmare ends soon because 15 weeks feels like a lifetime.

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Hi Kirstyloop, welcome to SA.  I am quite impressed that your doctor didn't want to keep you 

on anti depressants and attempted to get you off them, but sadly he hasn't a clue about 

how to get off them safely! I'm sorry that he had you taper too fast and that you are suffering because of it.

 As it is 15 weeks since you stopped them reinstatement might help

but it is always better to reinstate as soon as possible for the best chance of it helping. 

 

You could try a minute dose 0.5 mg to see if it helps, then hold there for a few weeks before starting

a slow taper. A tiny dose is better because you could be sensitised to it and have a reaction to a larger dose.

If it makes you feel worse then stop immediately. 

 Citalopram is available in a liquid that makes it easier to taper by using an oral syringe for measuring tiny doses. 

 

Please read the topic on reinstating here. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/3079-about-reinstating-and-stabilizing-to-stop-withdrawal-symptoms/

 

About tapering citalopram here. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2023-tips-for-tapering-off-celexa-citalopram/page__pid__19887#entry19887

 

There are some excellent topics on coping with anxiety and emotional problems here. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1112-non-drug-techniques-to-cope-with-emotional-symptoms/

 

I'm glad that you found us, this is a fantastic place for peer support with tapering and withdrawal. 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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I just noticed from your sig ( thanks for doing that)  that you actually stopped at the end of March?  

That could mean that reinstatement will have more chance to work if  as it is only 8 or 9 weeks

actually off.  :)

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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This method of alternating days on and off a med to taper is not supported by any literature that I know of, it's just something doctors seem to advise and I don't know why. We have found that it aggravates withdrawal symptoms, probably by causing fluctuating blood levels that make it difficult for the CNS to maintain homeostasis. 

 

We find a better taper method is to take the medication every day but at gradually decreasing doses. This is easily done with citalopram, which has a commercially available liquid formulation. I sometimes wonder if doctors even know that it can be done this way. I am daily amazed at how little physicians actually know about psych drugs.

 

Anyway, I concur with the advice to try a small reinstatement of maybe 0.5 mg, to see if that will help stabilize your withdrawal symptoms. You can stay on that dose for a while (until after your trip) and then once you're feeling more stable you can taper off of it slowly. Given the history you describe (no previous ADs and no previous attempts to taper) I would expect you to do quite well.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Hi

 

Thanks for the replies :)

If I was to 'stick it out' would it subside? I'm having days were there is anxiety and it's horrible but I cope. Today is an overwhelming sad day for me. I'm going to counselling too trying to get more connected to my emotions, as I think I ignore them. However, would my gp let me have such a small dose?

 

Thanks

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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It's impossible to say what will happen if you stick it out. Some people do okay, some end up having protracted withdrawal. I wish there were some way to say with certainty who is going to have ongoing problems for a long time and who isn't. Given the fact that you're still having problems now, you're not one of the ones who is going to have an easy time of it, for sure, and given how much people can suffer due to protracted WD, I'm not going to encourage you to gamble.

 

Given your history I think a very small reinstatement would be your best approach. The sooner your CNS gets settled down and stabilized and reaches homeostasis, the better, and that small dose can be the crutch that allows that to happen. (Small doses are actually much more active than most GPs realize, and with markedly fewer side effects.) Then once you're stable you can taper off using the 10% approach, gradually, which generally gives very good results.

 

But it's up to you. 

 

If you do decide to just stick it out, please be aware that it's a common pattern for people to get through the acute part of withdrawal and think they're out of the woods, then to get hit with another phase of symptoms a few months out, anywhere from three to nine months or so. If you find yourself feeling okay for a while and then feeling worse again this isn't a "relapse", it's another stage of withdrawal. At that point a small reinstatement isn't really an option; people usually either have to ride it out again, or go back on the same med or new ones. Just be aware that if this happens your doctor is likely to tell you you're having a relapse or you have an underlying disease condition of some sort, when actually what you're having is another stage of withdrawal.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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As far as your doc giving you a small dose, some will and some won't. Yours doesn't sound very well informed about meds and withdrawal. There are several options here. One, find a new doctor who does know a bit about tapering. Two, see if he's willing to prescribe the liquid formulation at whatever dosage he thinks is appropriate, and just take it at the small dose yourself.

 

Three, and I hate to say this, but sometimes it's necessary: Usually since ADs are not considered a drug of abuse, if you tell your doctor you think you "need" one, they will prescribe it and you can taper it without necessarily telling them that's what you're doing. They're usually more than willing to believe that prolonged withdrawal symptoms are a sign of relapse or underlying disease, since that's the agenda the pharmaceutical companies have spent billions of dollars promoting and educating doctors with. 

 

I'd recommend seeing if you can get the liquid formulation. If not, it's really easy to dissolve the tablet and make your own.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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I see, I've totally over exaggerated my weeks, I've been totally off them around 9 weeks.

So a reinstatement of 0.5mg would you suggest? Can I get that in the uk in liquid form? Tapering down using the 10% rule on 0.5mg would be difficult wouldn't it.

 

Thank you for your help it's greatly appreciated :)

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Yes you should be able to get it in the UK. I agree that tapering 0.5 would be very difficult with tablets but

easier with liquid. Here is a topic on how to make your own liquid. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2693-how-to-make-a-liquid-from-tablets-or-capsules/

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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I won't get bad side effects will I? Is 0.5mg too low a dose?

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Welcome, Kirsty.

 

We are suggesting a trial run with .5mg to limit the risk of a bad reaction. Your nervous system might be sensitized to all drugs  -- and alcohol -- now. It's possible .5mg will be enough to reduce the withdrawal symptoms. If it sort-of works and you feel you need more, you can increase it.

 

Since it's been 8 weeks and you still have severe withdrawal symptoms, it's unlikely you're going to be one of those people who bounces back from quitting. Skipping doses is indeed a very bad way to taper, please let your doctor know about this if you can.

This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner.

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I had alcohol and cigarettes on Saturday and feel this made me feel even worse. I will go to the gp tomorrow and try and get him to give me a low dose. Thank you for your help :)

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Been doctors she thinks I should go back on 10mg I don't agree she said there's no lower available. I don't know what to do. Cut them in quarters? 2.5mg a day? I don't know x

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Hi Kirsty

I live in Uk too, in Norfolk.

I'm on Citalopram liquid. Its called Cipramil liquid drops. 1 drop is equivalent to 2.5mgs of Citalopram.  If you go to Boots Chemist and ask the Pharmacist for a leaflet or info you can then take it to your Doctor. 

Your Dr could easily find this on her prescription list. They obviously don't know of its existence or are fibbing!!

You can get a baby syringe and a plastic beaker from your pharmacist. The beaker has 5ml 10ml 20ml 25ml 30ml marks on it.

You would put 25mls of water in the beaker. Tip bottle up and let 1 drop fall into water, i.e. 2.5mgs. Pour this in a glass and give it a good mix. Draw off 0.5mls into the syringe to give you 0.5mgs of Citalopram. Just squirt the syringe full into your mouth.

It sounds complicated, its not, it only takes a minute.

This is a very low dose. You could always up the dose. Stay here and take their advice, they know what they are talking about about:-)

I didnt initially and had terrible withdrawals and I am now trying to stabilise on 2.5mgs.

 

Just check with Alto etc that they want you to take 0.5mgs and not 5mgs? It certainly reads as 0.5mgs.

Seroxat 1994 then Citalopram 2000- 2014 quit Citalopram CT and descended into Hell with PAWS pollydrugged on following Mirtazapine 30 mgs Seroquel 150 mgs 

 Ativan 2 mgs June 2015 switched from Ativan to 20 mgs Valium Tapered-down slowly.

As of 15th March 17, I am benzo free. took 20 months to taper 20mgs Valium.

Seroquel tapered off 125mgs from 19 Sept 17 to 26 Dec. 17

current med 30mgs Mirtazapine

 

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What would 5mg do to me? Would it not be ok? I'm going to struggle to get a doctors appointment now before I go Gibralter on Monday and I feel hacked off that she fobbed me off

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Hey & welcome kirstyloop

 

Me too was on citalopram for around 6 years, its been now 10months ago i took my last pill, i can say that it never hit my mind again that i wud start over the medicine, like in the beginning, i feel SO much better now then i used to, it truly gets better, i could never belivei it wud and i also thought the wd would kill me on the way but here i am alive and MORE alive then ever before! I love life <3!

2007 - 2013: was on citalopram (tried to quit a few times, never worked, always went back on. max dose 40mg)

2012-2013: was tapering my citalopram all down to 2,5 mg then quit.
2013/aug: Took  my last pill 

W/D hit me bad after a few weeks off my medicine.

2014/August: 12 months off (much improved)

2015/April: 20months off. ( much improved, still some symtoms comes in waves, but not so intense.)

2015/june: 22months off. FELT different than before, all shakings suddenly stopped, feel much better. a fantastic feeling!

2016/Feb : 2 years and 6 months off, END of my suffering. I feel perfectly fine and back to normal. 
2018/Oct: Iam still feeling great. It is hard to believe my own story when I read back, what I went through!

 

 

 

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That's fabulous! I'm so glad it's worked out for you. I'm going to see how tomorrow is. Wish I would have tapered down slowly but doctors don't know their stuff xx

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Can someone please advise if I can take 5mg?

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Hello Kirstyloop,

 

our friends on the other side of the Atlantic are still sleeping. Can you wait a bit to get the clarification?

 

Did you get the liquid Citalopram?

 

best,

 

bubble

Current: 9/2022 Xanax 0.08, Lexapro 2

2020 Xanax 0.26 (down from 2 mg in 2013), Lexapro 2.85 mg (down from 5 mg 2013)

Amitriptyline (tricyclic AD) and clonazepam for 3 months to treat headache in 1996 
1999. - present Xanax prn up to 3 mg.
2000-2005 Prozac CT twice, 2005-2010 Zoloft CT 3 times, 2010-2013 Escitalopram 10 mg
went from 2.5 to zero on 7 Aug 2013, bad crash 40 days after
reinstated to 5 mg Escitalopram 4Oct 2013 and holding liquid Xanax every 5 hours
28 Jan 2014 Xanax 1.9, 18 Apr  2015 1 mg,  25 June 2015 Lex 4.8, 6 Aug Lexapro 4.6, 1 Jan 2016 0.64  Xanax     9 month hold

24 Sept 2016 4.5 Lex, 17 Oct 4.4 Lex (Nov 0.63 Xanax, Dec 0.625 Xanax), 1 Jan 2017 4.3 Lex, 24 Jan 4.2, 5 Feb 4.1, 24 Mar 4 mg, 10 Apr 3.9 mg, May 3.85, June 3.8, July 3.75, 22 July 3.7, 15 Aug 3.65, 17 Sept 3.6, 1 Jan 2018 3.55, 19 Jan 3.5, 16 Mar 3.4, 14 Apr 3.3, 23 May 3.2, 16 June 3.15, 15 Jul 3.1, 31 Jul 3, 21 Aug 2.9 26 Sept 2.85, 14 Nov Xan 0.61, 1 Dec 0.59, 19 Dec 0.58, 4 Jan 0.565, 6 Feb 0.55, 20 Feb 0.535, 1 Mar 0.505, 10 Mar 0.475, 14 Mar 0.45, 4 Apr 0.415, 13 Apr 0.37, 21 Apr 0.33, 29 Apr 0.29, 10 May 0.27, 17 May 0.25, 28 May 0.22, 19 June 0.22, 21 Jun updose to 0.24, 24 Jun updose to 0.26

Supplements: Omega 3 + Vit E, Vit C, D, magnesium, Taurine, probiotic 

I'm not a medical professional. Any advice I give is based on my own experience and reading. 

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Hi Kirsty, we suggested 0.5 because often people can become sensitised while off the drug. You may be

ok with 5mg but if you have a reaction it can take a long time to settle down again if the dose is too high. 

You don't want to be feeling worse when you go to the lovely Gibralter!  If you start with 0.5 and you are ok with it,

that is, you don't feel any worse, you can then increase to 1mg, it can take a few days to take effect  but sometimes

it is very quick. I reinstated 5 beads of effexor after a month off and felt better within hours! 

 

We are saying 0.5 to reduce the risk of reaction, if you wish you could try 1mg but I would not advise any more to

begin with after  9 weeks off. 

 

I hope that you find some relief and are able to enjoy your time away. 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Hi

 

No I didn't get any liquid. I woke up anxious then it settled, now it's just uneasy feeling I'm trying to think my way out of it, but it's hard. I might get a 1ml shrynge tomorrow and put a 10mg tablet in. Would I be ok to use the liquid the day after also? Or should I make up a fresh each time?

 

Thanks for the advice

 

Xxx

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Hi Kirsty--

 

I make up several doses of citalopram (dissolving my own tablets as described in the Tapering forum) and keep several days' worth in the fridge. I was actually able to find some data online about the stability of citalopram in water and it's pretty good, definitely not a problem over a few days.

 

And you can throw away the extra--it sounds like your doctor is more than willing to keep giving you 10 mg tablets.

 

I concur with what mammaP said about the size of dose. It's best to reinstate with the smallest effective dose, because taking too much can actually make you feel worse. We aren't saying withdrawal is going to go away completely; the reinstatement is just to cushion the worst of it, take the edge off of it, to make it so you can live and function, and then you can taper off slowly when the time comes. Try 0.5 mg and see if it helps at all.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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Also, be sure to give the .5 mg. dose a full four days to work. Often symptoms improve right away, but for some it can take longer.  If the .5 mg. isn't helping much after four days, then try upping it to 1 mg.

 

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Thank you. It's one of those, the holiday is making me anxious because of my past holiday. It's hard to know whether the anxiety will go if I cancelled it. Which means it was the holiday. Don't want to go on citalopram again if it's unnecessary, if you understand what I mean :)

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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I think you are having some withdrawal symptoms coupled with the anxiety about the holiday.

Withdrawal does seem to worsen anxiety for many people, and they don't always realise it is

due to withdrawal, until the reason for stress is gone but the anxiety stays, if that makes sense.

 

Reinstating is best  as soon as possible because the longer you are without the AD the less

chance there is of it working.  So many people here are suffering nightmare withdrawal symptoms

that have left them  unable to function and have left it too late to reinstate.  It's your call and 

whatever you decide to do I hope you have a good holiday.  :)

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Hi....

 

I took citalopram and I did have to go back up in dose to offset WD symptoms and for me it did help settle me down.  If the tablets only come in 10mg. doses you can get a pill cutter and crack them in half.  I always thought making a liquid solution was hard and then I did it, and it was a cinch.

 

The  Pharmacist gave me the pill cutter and syringes.  He was very helpful.

 

The people here will help you get thru this.  It's been a short time so you may really feel alot better by reinstating.

 

Best regards

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Reinstated at 5mg

Gibralter was crap. Left yesterday, flight was perfect got there met my friend, then my heart was thudding. I drank a bit not loads, only about 5 bottles of beer. No cigarettes (stayed strong) this morning felt awful., I just had to come home. Booked another flight came home. I know I did great getting on the plane but I feel defeated, feel weird and unsure about what to do. Feel like I'm in limbo no light at the end of the tunnel. So scared I could cry

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Hi Kirsty

 

We have all been scared at one point and felt defeated. Keep your chin up, you are in good, supportive company.

From here you need to see how your reinstatement goes. It will probably take 4 days at least for the 5mg to reach a steady state in your bloodstream. I usually allow two weeks at least before I assess where I am and whether I have to up dose any more to stabilise withdrawal.

 

If the 5mg is enough to address most if not all of your withdrawal symptoms, I would stay on that for at least 1month to allow your nervous system to stabilise, then plan on dropping at no more that 10 percent of your previous dose each time.

 

Although distressing to have to leave Gibraltar you have probably made a good decision for your health and I applaud you for it. From here patience is a virtue. The goal is not to come off in the quickest time, it is to come off in the best shape in terms of your health and wellbeing.

 

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Please note - I am not a medical practitioner and I do not give medical advice. I offer an opinion based on my own experiences, reading and discussion with others.On Effexor for 2 months at the start of 2005. Had extreme insomnia as an adverse reaction. Changed to mirtazapine. Have been trying to get off since mid 2008 with numerous failures including CTs and slow (but not slow enough tapers)Have slow tapered at 10 per cent or less for years. I have liquid mirtazapine made at a compounding chemist.

Was on 1.6 ml as at 19 March 2014.

Dropped to 1.5 ml 7 June 2014. Dropped to 1.4 in about September.

Dropped to 1.3 on 20 December 2014. Dropped to 1.2 in mid Jan 2015.

Dropped to 1 ml in late Feb 2015. I think my old medication had run out of puff so I tried 1ml when I got the new stuff and it seems to be going ok. Sleep has been good over the last week (as of 13/3/15).

Dropped to 1/2 ml 14/11/15 Fatigue still there as are memory and cognition problems. Sleep is patchy but liveable compared to what it has been in the past.

 

DRUG FREE - as at 1st May 2017

 

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Do you think I'm sensitive to alcohol. Has anyone else drank alcohol on citalopram and been in tachycardia my heart rate was 118 lying in bed. It was just freaking me out

 

Was on citalopram 20mg from October 2012 til the end of march 2014. I tapered off by doing 1 week of 10mg then a week of 10 nothing 10 nothing then a week of 10 nothing nothing. This was at the gp's advice.

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Many of us can't tolerate alcohol while in withdrawal   :( . Was it like this before you quit or

is it new to you after reinstating?? 

**I am not a medical professional, if in doubt please consult a doctor with withdrawal knowledge.

 

 

Different drugs occasionally (mostly benzos) 1976 - 1981 (no problem)

1993 - 2002 in and out of hospital. every type of drug + ECT. Staring with seroxat

2002  effexor. 

Tapered  March 2012 to March 2013, ending with 5 beads.

Withdrawal April 2013 . Reinstated 5 beads reduced to 4 beads May 2013

Restarted taper  Nov 2013  

OFF EFFEXOR Feb 2015    :D 

Tapered atenolol and omeprazole Dec 2013 - May 2014

 

Tapering tramadol, Feb 2015 100mg , March 2015 50mg  

 July 2017 30mg.  May 15 2018 25mg

Taking fish oil, magnesium, B12, folic acid, bilberry eyebright for eye pressure. 

 

My story http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4199-hello-mammap-checking-in/page-33

 

Lesson learned, slow down taper at lower doses. Taper no more than 10% of CURRENT dose if possible

 

 

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Kirsty, this is a sign not to drink alcohol, at least for a good while.

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Most people seem to have more trouble with alcohol in withdrawal. I can only have a very small amount and I'm on a very very slow taper. If I have more than one (beer, glass of wine, or drink) I feel like crap the next day, or if I have one for two days in a row same thing. I can get away with about one or two drinks a week although I feel better if I avoid it altogether.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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So you've reinstated at a full 5 mg? Let's see how that goes. I'd recommend as soon as you can get it together, finding out either how to dissolve your own tablets and make your own liquid, or arranging to get some of the prescription liquid. You may find you're too sensitized to stabilize on 5 mg, or you may do just fine on 5 mg, but either way you'll need the liquid to taper off eventually.

 

I'm sorry you're feeling so bad. Hopefully you'll be feeling better in a few days. Please keep us posted.

Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. 

Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010.  Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea.

 

Feb 15 2010:  300 mg Neurontin  200 Lamictal   10 Celexa      0.65 Xanax   and 5 mg Ambien 

Feb 10 2014:   62 Lamictal    1.1 Celexa         0.135 Xanax    1.8 Valium

Feb 10 2015:   50 Lamictal      0.875 Celexa    0.11 Xanax      1.5 Valium

Feb 15 2016:   47.5 Lamictal   0.75 Celexa      0.0875 Xanax    1.42 Valium    

2/12/20             12                       0.045               0.007                   1 

May 2021            7                       0.01                  0.0037                1

Feb 2022            6                      0!!!                     0.00167               0.98                2.5 mg Ambien

Oct 2022       4.5 mg Lamictal    (off Celexa, off Xanax)   0.95 Valium    Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet 

 

I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion.

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