Moderator brassmonkey Posted June 27, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2019 Are you making your own liquid? How are you making it? 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
jen84 Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 @brassmonkey yes I'm making my own liquid. I'm mixing 100mg pill into 100ml of water, so a 1:1 mix. -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted June 27, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2019 If you switch to using 200ml of water then that would double the volume of your dose and make it easier to read on the syringe. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
jen84 Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 Ahhh this is so confusing, thanks for your help @brassmonkey.Right now, 100mg in 100ml lasts me 10 days or so. If i we're to do a 200ml to 100mg ratio, my solution would last approx 20 days. This seems like a long time? I could also split my pill in half for 50 mg and use 100ml of water, still a 2:1 ratio. If i we're to do this, would i need to weigh the pills, or since they cut pretty evenly is that accurate enough? If i were to do it this way, what would i measure out to get 10mg of wellbutrin? Would it now be 20ml of solution? I'm still going to have the issue of measuring to the hundredth. I'm just wondering though, if i were to use the 1ml syringe and not dilute my solution any further, for the first month of tapers, I would go from 10 to 9.75 to 9.5 to 9.25 to 9.0. Do i have to measure to the hundredth or can I measure to the tenth? 9.7 instead of 9.75? 9.2 instead of 9.25? I guess i still need to divide these numbers in half. 9.7÷2= 4.85 so I'm still in the hundredth. Aye aye aye, this is confusing! -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
jen84 Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 I'm going to try the 1ml syringe for now. I think thats the easiest, less complicated way for now. This evening I've dropped from 10 to 9.75 (4.88 2xdaily). -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted June 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 28, 2019 " If i were to do it this way, what would i measure out to get 10mg of wellbutrin? Would it now be 20ml of solution?" Yes. You would be taking twice as much liquid to get the same amount of Active Ingredient. So you would still be using up your supply in 10 days. You are keeping it in the refrigerator? Ten days is a very long time to be keeping a homemade solution. Yes you could work to the first decimal place. If you do then you should round up not down. so you could use 4.9 instead of 4.85. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
jen84 Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 Hi @brassmonkey, yes i keep my mix in the fridge. I think i read somewhere that its suggested to keep a mix for 4 days? What's the max days that i should be keeping it? It's just one of my least favorite things to do. I could start cutting my pill in half and making up a 50ml to 50mg mix, that would last ~5 days. I dropped yesterday from 9.75 to 9.5. Feeling good so far, except I had acupuncture yesterday afternoon and that set my anxiety off in the evening. I had a terrible sleep, woke up drenched in sweat and chock full of anxiety. Its eased off today and I should get a better sleep tonight. In about 3 weeks my partner and I are travelling to Australia. My first international trip! We are going over for a month, going to see his family and friends and tour around. I'm nervous though having to travel around with this pain in the butt mix. Our flight leaves at 840pm, and we land at 730am two days later. In total the flight is 14hr40mins, i guess so long as I take it just before getting on the plane and as soon as we get to a place that i can mix some up, it should be ok. Once there i think we have a day/night to rest. -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted July 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 5, 2019 Hi Jen-- I'm glad to hear that your taper started off well, that's a problem with acupuncture that many people have reported. It can be very stimulating so you need to get a treatment that is designed to be calming. It should calm down over the next few days. Going to the 50mg per 50ml mix would be a good idea. That way you can have fresher medication to work with. I loved Australia, we were there a few month ago and had a wonderful time. The advertised flight times can be freaky because of the international date line. Unless you have some extreme layovers the trip won't actually take several days, it will just look that way on the calendar. When we flew home, according to the calendar and clock we arrived in LA four hours before we left Wellington NZ. Took some thinking to wrap my head around that one. Having your meds premixed shouldn't be a problem. You are allowed 3oz of liquid in your carry on and 50ml is 1.6oz. Have your doses premeasured in separate bottles and use your phone for a reminder as to when to take them. It is really easy to lose track of the time when traveling. Also take your tablets in the carry on. They are very picky about herbal supplements coming into the country. Keep them in their original packaging and you should not have any trouble. Any other food items, even packaged ones can cause problems so don't take them. Do you have your eTA filed for the trip. We found out about them while in the outback of Kenya and really had to scramble to be able to get on the plane. Australia doesn't require a visa but you do need an electronic Travel Authority. You can get them online quite easily, unless you're in the outback of Kenya with no wifi. Have a great trip. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
jen84 Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 12:21 PM, brassmonkey said: Going to the 50mg per 50ml mix would be a good idea. Thanks for the suggestion, I've now started making this mix. Hopefully cutting the pill in half is accurate enough instead of weighing it? I dont have a scale and It seems to cut pretty smooth. The acupuncture seems to have helped? My emotions go up and down throughout the day, not a lot, but just a bit more than normal. My acupuncturist is targeting my kidney and liver qi's, she is a great needle artist, ive never had someone feel my blood pulse so intently before, before and after treatment. It's too bad I don't have coverage right now... It's really adding up. Brass, Where did you go to in Aus? We're headed to northern Queensland for a few weeks then hoprfully heading a little further north to the great barrier reef. We haven't planned anything else yet, should probably get on that. Oh boy that whole gaining two days but not gaining the time back on the way home is super confusing. We have 15 hours on the flight for my bf to explain it to me though, haha. He's a seasoned traveller, so it'll be nice going with someone whose done this before. Yes i got my ETA a few weeks ago, I couldnt imagine trying to scramble for it while at the airport... Glad it worked out for you though. Its good that they offer the 1 HR reply option. Thanks for the tips about supplements and meds. If i take 50ml or less of my mix, does it have to be labeled? Or can i just have it in my carry on? What kind of container did you carry yours in? -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted July 7, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2019 Hi Jen-- I don't think cutting the pill will be a problem. The minor fluctuations will average out and will be so small any way because you are only taking a small part of the mixture at a time. You will need a plastic bottle that seals well to carry the mix in on the plane. They don't allow glass, and it needs to seal so it won't leak. If it's the right size they won't even look at it when you go through security and customs. I carried mine in capsules because I dry cut and weighted on a scale. I glad that the acupuncture is working for you, a lot of our members have had problems with it in the past. We started with five days in Perth then flew to Brisbane for another five days. We both love nature so we spent most of the time driving to various National parks and taking pictures of the animals we could find. If you get to the Gold Coast make a stop at Australia Zoo. I'm not a big fan of zoos but this one is really good. One of these days I will get to go snorkeling on the Great barrier reef, it's a bucket list item. We don't make a lot of solid plans when we visit a country, rather we just rent a car and see what we can find. Neither of us are fans of the big city but love miles and miles of countryside. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
Marmot Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Hey Jen84, Just stopping by to see how your marathon is going. It's so wonderful that you are going to Australia I hope you have a good time and that you get to see a kangaroo. Marmot 2004: Clonazepam and Celexa. 2005 - 2006: Effexor, then increased to high dose, then switched to Valproate and Seroquel. 2007: Wellbutrin + Strattera + Celexa. 2007 - 2008: Wellbutrin + Adderall + Paxil. 2008 - 2012: Wellbutrin + occasional SSRIs when I had worsened "depression", which happened around 4 times, usually after CT of WB. 2012 - 2014: WB + Sertraline, then WB + Pristiq (awful W/D) then WB + rTMS, then ketamine. 2014 - 2016: Wellbutrin 200 mg + Abilify 4 mg + Adderall 20-40 mg + Cipralex 20 mg. Oct 2016: "Tapered" Cipralex, felt outrageously anxious, irritable. Dec 2016: "Tapered" Adderall, then felt depressed, hopeless, fatigued. Feb 6 2017: reinstated 20 mg Adderall. Mar 2017: switched to Vyvanse, upped to 30 mg. May - Aug 2017: "Tapered" Vyvanse + Abilify to zero. Oct 25, 2017: Wellbutrin from 200 to 100 mg. Sep 10, 2018: Wellbutrin from 90 to 60 mg. Oct 29, 2018: WB from 60 to 50 mg. Dec 19, 2018: WB from 50 to 45 mg. Apr 15, 2019: WB 41 mg. May 14, 2019: WB 37 mg. Jun 8, 2019: WB 33 mg. Jul 22: WB 30 mg, then down by around 10% per month. Aug 2020: 0 Working hard to take my life back. Anything I say here is as a friend or peer supporter; it is not medical advice. Link to comment
jen84 Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 7/7/2019 at 11:56 AM, brassmonkey said: You will need a plastic bottle that seals well to carry the mix in on the plane Thanks for the suggestion, i will try to find a small container this weekend. On 7/7/2019 at 11:56 AM, brassmonkey said: glad that the acupuncture is working for you, a lot of our members have had problems with it in the past. Yes i am so happy that it's working for me, im 90% sure that it is the reason I was lifted out of the anxiety this winter. Usually the first day or two are brutal after a treatment, but then i settle and feel Ok again. I dropped 2.5% last Thursday, down to 9.5 (4.75 2xdaily) but I updosed last night to 9.6 (4.8 2xdaily), mostly bc it's easier to measure and I'll only have to take one syringe. I'm feeling more irritable than usual, my anxiety is slightly coming back and I'm very lethargic. I'll have 1.5 months until we get back from our trip, lots of time to let my system settle. -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted July 12, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 12, 2019 It sounds like things are all coming together. The slight updose was a good idea, make things as simple as possible while traveling. A month and a half sounds like a fun trip, lots of time to really get to know the place. Have a great time. 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
jen84 Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 We are back from Australia! What a trip! I had no issues with taking my liquid on the flight, and i was even able to take a dose mid flight. I had a mix up with my new syringe, i wasn't reading it properly I guess, and one morning I couldnt remember what tick i was messuring to. I think i was taking too much. Anyways, i went down to 9.2. I had a few days where i was completely irritable, but then it passed, and there were no other issues. 3 weeks into the trip my bf proposed! I cried for a couple minutes before I could answer. I had a rush of anxiety go through me and i had to take a moment to gather my thoughts. Eventually i said yes! We are so excited! It feels so good to be back home and back in my routine. We had a great trip, but after a month nothing beats sleeping in your own bed. -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted August 22, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2019 I'm so glad the trip went so well, and no problems with the drugs and taper. Oz is amazing and I can't wait to go back. Congratulations of the proposal. (((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))) 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
nick1990 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Sounds amazing Jen , I’ve just got back from a trip to Aus too. Yay for the proposal so happy for you ! Started Citalopram in 2005 (aged 15) for apparent "OCD" - 60mg July 2015 attempted 2 x 10% + cuts 4 weeks apart. WD symptoms intense at times. Need to slow down. November 2016 - Resumed taper. 1.25 - 1.5% decrease weekly approx. 44.5mg November 2016. Jan 2017 42.5 mg. March 2017 40 mg. June 2017 37mg. September 2018 22mg. Nov 2018 Holding at 22mg to stabilise from moderate wave. January 2020 - Holding, mostly feeling fine, but still having some waves at times. February 2020 - Resumed taper , 1.5% reduction weekly/every two weeks. Link to comment
jen84 Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 Thanks brassmonkey and nick1990. @nick1990 I read on your page that you travelled along the Aus coast in a rental van. Thats what we did too, it was a cool experience. Good luck with your swap, I hope the rest of it goes smoothly for you. I'm down to 8.6mg now. Been at this dose for 4.5 weeks now. I'll eventually drop down to 8.4 or 8.2, maybe a few more weeks. My partner and I have just bought a house together, just over a month before we can move in. Work is busy and I still am struggling with my role. Not much guidance, unless I ask co-workers, but then i feel like I'm bothering them. I havent had any sort of feedback on my performance, and I'm nervous about making it through my probation period. It's 6 months long and ends in a month or so. I've been feeling pretty good. My emotions are coming back, and i can cry and feel happiness and sadness and joy and all those other wonderful feelings! Still not much libido, but I'm sure that'll come back in time. I've been taking Materna (folic acid supplement) for 2 weeks now. The last couple of days I've felt my anxiety slightly increase, it's not so much anxiety but more like paranoia or worry. Not sure if it's the materna or just a small wave. Will see how the next few days go and go from there. -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
jen84 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 Hi everyone. Its been a busy month here. We finally move into our new home in 3 days time! I am so looking forward to moving in! We've only packed 3 boxes so far, but thankfully its only a short distance move. 3 days ago I had my mirena iud removed (for family planning purposes). It took three attempts, with the final, and most painful attempt at the hospital. No big changes yet, but i am so relieved to have it out of me. That was my third mirena, so my hormones haven't had a break for 12 to 13 years now. I'm still at 8.6mg wellbutrin, I wont be doing any drops for a few more weeks still. I want to give my body and hormones time to adjust and get back to their regular function before decreasing again. Im still experiencing anxiety, some days it is lessening, somewhat. I feel numb and out of touch with my feelings, a bit disconnected i guess. But i know it gets better, so I trudge along. -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
jen84 Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 I had my mirena IUD removed a month ago because we are ready to start family family. I No longer have crazy cortisol spikes in the mornings, my overall anxiety has decreased by 70 to 80%. I can't believe it. Before removal I had a constant anxious feeling in my chest, 24/7 and no matter what i did, it never eased. I thought it was the wellbutrin and an activating side effect , turns out it was the IUD. I've lost some bloating, not weight on the scale but im less bloated and I'm hoping my hair loss slows down soon as well. I no longer have to wash my hair every 2nd day due to it being greasy. I can now go up to 4 days without washing and even then i could probably go another day. My libido also seems to be returning... I almost forgot what it felt like to have libido. It's still not great but its definitely getting better with time. I am still waiting for my cycle to start, and I haven't made a decrease in my wellbutrin either. Ill wait another week or two before making a decrease. I just cant believe it. If i would have known the IUD was causing so many problems it would have been removed years ago. I am so happy to have it out of me. -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
MrAnxious Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 On 12/4/2019 at 10:10 PM, jen84 said: I had my mirena IUD removed a month ago because we are ready to start family family. I No longer have crazy cortisol spikes in the mornings, my overall anxiety has decreased by 70 to 80%. I can't believe it. Before removal I had a constant anxious feeling in my chest, 24/7 and no matter what i did, it never eased. I thought it was the wellbutrin and an activating side effect , turns out it was the IUD. I've lost some bloating, not weight on the scale but im less bloated and I'm hoping my hair loss slows down soon as well. I no longer have to wash my hair every 2nd day due to it being greasy. I can now go up to 4 days without washing and even then i could probably go another day. My libido also seems to be returning... I almost forgot what it felt like to have libido. It's still not great but its definitely getting better with time. I am still waiting for my cycle to start, and I haven't made a decrease in my wellbutrin either. Ill wait another week or two before making a decrease. I just cant believe it. If i would have known the IUD was causing so many problems it would have been removed years ago. I am so happy to have it out of me. Hey !!! I would love to hear how you have been since all the craziness that was drug wd ? I was just looking at your past reply to me congratulating me back in 2015 when I was getting off everything finally, let me know , I hope well ✊❤️ 2007-2012started Effexor xr 225mg -150mg- Varied2months of Taper,(March 22/2012 Off Med/in W/D)Currently No medicationMarch 22/2012- August 16/2012 - Totally Off Effexor( Rough Rough time) Reinstatement for a week(didn't work)****** New Doctor******* Very nice/helpful and in touch.Tried Zoloft- No successAUGUST 17/2012- STARTED 37.5 EFFEXOR FOR ONE WEEK - NOT GOOD < STOPPED.Started Buspar Oct 11th 2012----10 mg for the first 7 days and then 15mg a day---- Taking a new route----Racing thoughts - Gone.Oct 9th ( Done Zoloft,wellbutrin week project trial to feel better) - OFFICIALLY OFF ANTI DEPRESSANT !Oct 26 - Raised Buspar to 20mg a day- Tolerating wellJan 2nd 2013- Reduce Buspar until full off march 20th 2015 Off all medication ! Tried natural supplements to no avail Gluten/sugar free since december 2013 Link to comment
jen84 Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 Hi everyone. It's been awhile since I've been on here. Lots of life changes in the last 3 years. We now have a 2 yr old son, and due with #2 in early Feb. In all this kid stuff going on I haven't been decreasing my dose much, but have managed to get down to 7mg now. I got a refill for my wellbutrin in late October this year, and since then I've been feeling withdrawal effects of brain zaps mostly, but other symptoms too. Nothing has changed in my dosage, or anything else, except the brand I was prescribed. I've called the pharmacist and talked with them, but they're saying I've been on the same buproprian since my last refill in 2021. Just after I got this october refill, I remember looking at the old bottle, and it said Sandoz bupropian (which ive now thrown out), but this new bottle is Odan bupropian. I just talked to the pharmacist and he said the last rx I had filled was also Odan, in 2021. Is it possible that Sandoz and odan are the same? I don't know why their system would be showing Odan, when my last rx bottle said sandoz. Apparently, according to the pharmicist, back in 2020, I was on Sanis bupropian, and that's what they want me to go back on now. All 3 are 100mg sr, so What is the difference between odan, Sandiz and Sanis? Is it possible that odan and sandiz are the same in their system? Odan is obviously not working for me, should I ask for Sandiz or sanis? -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
jen84 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 So, back in May or June of 2017 I went from pill form bupropian Sr to liquid. When I switched to liquid I was making the liquid with the same Sr pills... it was not long after starting the liquid that my anxiety went through the roof, and I was having a lot of difficulty with even minor decreases. I am reading back on thevery first post in the "tapering wellbutrin" page, and it's saying that Sr is not meant for liquid tapering, but rather that IR is? I'm still taking the SR liquid, overall I wouldn't say it's been great. I've been able to push through and survive, but that's about it. As mentioned in the post above, there was a mixup in October this year with my prescription and I'm trying to figure out if I should go back to Sandiz bupropian Sr or Sanis bupropian Sr.... but now I wonder if I should go to an IR dose instead???? Please keep in mind that I'm 8 months pregnant too, and I had terrible post partum depression with my son. My drs are gearing me up for another rough ride. So I don't want to change too much, but I can't go into this feeling the way I am right now. Maybe a switch to IR now, while I'm feeling off anyways? Or do I try to figure out which SR brand to go back to? -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted December 27, 2022 Administrator Share Posted December 27, 2022 On 12/20/2022 at 11:35 AM, jen84 said: What is the difference between odan, Sandiz and Sanis? Please Google to find out, and let us know in Tips for Tapering Bupropion People sometimes have problems switching brands, but often they do not. Unlike bupropion immediate-release, bupropion SR tablets may be held together with a glue that makes it difficult to dissolve them in water. How have you been making your liquid? Whether bupropion IR or bupropion SR, if you make it into a liquid, it becomes immediate-release, generally to be taken twice a day. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
jen84 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 I'm making it into a liquid by splitting a 100mg tab in half, and crushing the 50mg tab with the back of a spoon then putting it into 50mg water. I try to let it sit for a day or night before using it. I've been doing this since I started making the liquid. I'm going to head to the pharmacist and try to switch back to Sandiz, and get off odan as it's giving me unpleasant side effects. I've read the intro thread so many times, and I don't know why I'm only now seeing that it explicitly says that SR does not make a liquid. It seems to be working for me now, but I can't help but think that all the anxiety I was having was due to the switch to liquid SR. -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
j1290 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Hi Jen! Bupropion sure is tricky to reduce, isn't it?!? I switched from XL to IR, and had to try a few different generic manufacturers till I found one that worked for me, and I could reliably get from a pharmacy since they like to switch it up. My experience was that some brands had very different effects, which I never would have guessed. I am not a doctor and do not offer any medical advice, only my own experience. Consult your physician. 2011-2015 tapered off 300MG of Effexor. Back in the Paxil Progress days. No rebound. 2005-2021: 450 mg Bupropion XL Daily 2021 Buporopion May 450mg/June 400mg/July 375mg/Aug 10th 360mg/ 2021 Dec - 150mg IR, 3x day = 450mg Bup, Heritage manufacturer-yellow color pill. 2022 May 3 - 3 x 150mg IR Bup, Avet brand(pharmacist said they merged with Heritage-orange color) -migraines REINSTATED-BACK TO MY LAST STABLE DOSE/TIME RELEASE 2022 June 5 - switched back to 3 x 150mg XL one time per day= 450 mg total Bup-Apotex brand CURRENT TAPER 2022 Aug 31 - 450MG to 412MG IR Bup//Sep. 28, 2022: 412mg to 375mg//Oct 26, 2022: 375mg to 365 mg//Nov 21, 2022: 365mg to 327mg//Dec 27, 2022: 327 mg to 290 mg//Dec 31, 2022: 290mg to 262mg//Jan 28, 2023: 262mg to 190mg//Feb. 19, 2023: 190mg to 140mg//Mar. 18, '23: 140mg to 100mg// Link to comment
jen84 Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 Hi @j1290! Thanks for the message. I didn't realize that different brand names could cause issues, im glad you found one that worked for you. I'm starting to stabilize on the odan, so I'll stay here for now. How was your switch from xl to ir? I'm still making my liquid with SR, but will plan to switch to IR liquid in a week's time. This was an oversight on my part. I don't know how many times I read the introduction thread for wellbutrin tapering over the years, but it was only recently that I read to not make a liquid with SR. Anyways, here I am, it's all a learning process. Thanks to Alto for the suggestion, I've just had an appt with a company called outro (based in canada), and they are going to work with me on the switch from SR to IR, and the rest of my taper. I'm feeling very grateful to have such a great resource available, and I'm feeling the most hopeful I've felt in a very long time about coming off this darn stuff. 2 -jan14 2016- off effexor!!- wellbutrin:Jan 25/17;Start to split 100mg in half -Feb 12/17;100-50mg -Apr 30/17;50-30mg liquid. -June 6/ 17;30-20mg -July6/17;updose to 26mg -Oct 18/17;13 to 12mg -Nov 24/17;12 to 11mg -Feb 21/18;22 to 20mg -Apr 2/18;20 to 18mg -Apr 30/18;18 to 16mg -May 22/18;16 to 14mg -June 18/18;14 to 12.4mg -July 15 /18;12.4 to 11.6mg -Nov5/18;11.2 to 10mg -Dec14/18;10 to 10.4mg Link to comment
Soup Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 @jen84 sounds like you and I are very similar in our journies . I am trying to get off 150 mg Wellbutrin xl . I also live in Canada . I also just joined outro . I have found a compounding pharmacy who is going to Be doing up immediate release capsules for me and help me taper with those . Would love to have a tapering buddy if you want ? No Pressure at all as I know how hard this and never want to step over anyone’s boundaries . Take care 1 On Prozac 20 mg from 1996 to 2012 started for post partum depression ? Pooped out 2012 - Switched to 1.25 mg Klonopin ( tapered off last dose march 6 th / 2017 ( 14 month taper) 2012-15 mg lexapro came off nov.4 th /17 2012- 150 mg Wellbutrin xl ( still on ) 2019- Stabilized to be functional after coming off lex and klon waiting to get healthy to taper Wellbutrin 2021 Dec - Suprax and macrobid for UTI 2022 Jan - withdrawal symptoms came back with a vengeance ( antibiotics and uti only change ) 2022 June - still in full withdrawal Link to comment
j1290 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 56 minutes ago, jen84 said: I'm starting to stabilize on the odan, so I'll stay here for now. How was your switch from xl to ir? Overall, I had a harder time switching brands or time releases than my actual taper, and I found, to my surprise, that for me, the IR was much harsher side effects wise than the XL. 1 hour ago, jen84 said: I don't know how many times I read the introduction thread for wellbutrin tapering over the years, but it was only recently that I read to not make a liquid with SR I must have read that thing a million times and I did so many things wrong LOL and I still find new things in it every time I look at it. One of the best things I ever did was take a weekend and read the heck out of this website from top to bottom. 1 hour ago, jen84 said: plan to switch to IR liquid in a week's time. I did the same thing, made a liquid with the SR, but unlike you, I never got it to work haha. I found that when I made a liquid with the IR, it was easy as can be, no difficulty transitioning or anything. When I get to the End Game taper I'll switch back to it. 1 hour ago, jen84 said: I'm feeling the most hopeful I've felt in a very long time about coming off this darn stuff. I bounced between doctors opinions and time releases/manufacturers/pharmacies for a year before I figured out how to do this, almost lost my job and all hope. Now I'm down 42% from my Original Dose and with manageable side effects. So far so good. Please post often and let us know how you're doing! 1 I am not a doctor and do not offer any medical advice, only my own experience. Consult your physician. 2011-2015 tapered off 300MG of Effexor. Back in the Paxil Progress days. No rebound. 2005-2021: 450 mg Bupropion XL Daily 2021 Buporopion May 450mg/June 400mg/July 375mg/Aug 10th 360mg/ 2021 Dec - 150mg IR, 3x day = 450mg Bup, Heritage manufacturer-yellow color pill. 2022 May 3 - 3 x 150mg IR Bup, Avet brand(pharmacist said they merged with Heritage-orange color) -migraines REINSTATED-BACK TO MY LAST STABLE DOSE/TIME RELEASE 2022 June 5 - switched back to 3 x 150mg XL one time per day= 450 mg total Bup-Apotex brand CURRENT TAPER 2022 Aug 31 - 450MG to 412MG IR Bup//Sep. 28, 2022: 412mg to 375mg//Oct 26, 2022: 375mg to 365 mg//Nov 21, 2022: 365mg to 327mg//Dec 27, 2022: 327 mg to 290 mg//Dec 31, 2022: 290mg to 262mg//Jan 28, 2023: 262mg to 190mg//Feb. 19, 2023: 190mg to 140mg//Mar. 18, '23: 140mg to 100mg// Link to comment
j1290 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Hi Jen! How's things? Did you find your WD symptoms to get any easier or shorter as you taper down? I'm starting to think the real taper will begin when I hit around 75-50 mg or so. I am not a doctor and do not offer any medical advice, only my own experience. Consult your physician. 2011-2015 tapered off 300MG of Effexor. Back in the Paxil Progress days. No rebound. 2005-2021: 450 mg Bupropion XL Daily 2021 Buporopion May 450mg/June 400mg/July 375mg/Aug 10th 360mg/ 2021 Dec - 150mg IR, 3x day = 450mg Bup, Heritage manufacturer-yellow color pill. 2022 May 3 - 3 x 150mg IR Bup, Avet brand(pharmacist said they merged with Heritage-orange color) -migraines REINSTATED-BACK TO MY LAST STABLE DOSE/TIME RELEASE 2022 June 5 - switched back to 3 x 150mg XL one time per day= 450 mg total Bup-Apotex brand CURRENT TAPER 2022 Aug 31 - 450MG to 412MG IR Bup//Sep. 28, 2022: 412mg to 375mg//Oct 26, 2022: 375mg to 365 mg//Nov 21, 2022: 365mg to 327mg//Dec 27, 2022: 327 mg to 290 mg//Dec 31, 2022: 290mg to 262mg//Jan 28, 2023: 262mg to 190mg//Feb. 19, 2023: 190mg to 140mg//Mar. 18, '23: 140mg to 100mg// Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 16, 2023 Administrator Share Posted February 16, 2023 @jen84 I have a question for you here. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
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