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I'm looking for anyone who has experience with the following three options:


- Dr Kelly brogan

- brainstate technologies

- Fischer Wallace stimulator


There so much info out there, it's so frustrating not to know who to trust.

I'm looking for anyone with experience either using Dr Brogan and/or one of the other methods above.


Thank you so so much

Finally off of 60 mg celexa. Trying to help dw get off zyprexa and zoloft

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Welcome Helpingdw


I can tell you a better place than KB's office and you just found it.

Well done on finding sa.


Would you like to advise how and when you just exited 60mg of celexa. Was it tapered? or cold turkeyed?

How long have you been on these drugs for ? Are you able to put that in the drug sig. That will be helpful.


You might like to run all drugs you are taking through the drugs interaction checker. Then copy and paste results into this thread.



What symptoms if any do you have at the moment?


You are right there is a lot of info out there but when one is trying to get off these drugs there are a lot of people happy to take your money from you yet they havent got a clue how to get people off safely and well.




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Hello Helpingdw,


Dr Kelly Brogan is somebody who gets quite a lot of respect on this site.  http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/10714-great-article-on-tapering-from-kelly-brogan-md/


There is some discussion of people's experience with Fischer Wallace here (it does sound a bit gimicky):  http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4829-alpha-stim-fisher-wallace-sota-biotuner-pons-and-similar-devices/


I'm sorry I don't know what is meant by brainstate technologies. 


Generally speaking, tapering needs to be done gently and there is little (if anything) you can do to speed it up.  There are certainly things you can do to support yourself during tapering.  Many people find Fish oil and Magnesium useful.  Many of our members also use CBT, EFT, Neurosculpting etc quite successfully to cope with w/d.  There are also valuable tools here:  Non-Drug Techniques to cope with emotional symptoms.


The troublesome thing with SSRIs is that you can't just flush their effects out of your system.  They change the way your brain works, and that takes much longer to heal.  http://survivinganti...el-your-brain/)  For this reason we recommend a gentle taper, reducing by no more than 10% of your current dose each month.  This allows your brain time to adjust as you go, and lessens any withdrawal.  


Please put your withdrawal history in your signature – all drugs/dates/dosages etc - so we can see your situation easily whenever you post, and help you more accurately.  It would be good to know when your wife finished tapering celexa, and how she tapered it.  Thanks.


Which drug to taper first.


Tapering Zprexa

Tapering zoloft


Have a read of those and then you can come back to this thread to discuss things further.  This can be your journal to record your tapering and healing progress, and to ask questions. 


Welcome to SA,


2010  Fluoxetine 20mg.  2011  Escitalopram 20mg.  2013 Tapered badly and destabilised CNS.  Effexor 150mg. 

2015 Begin using info at SurvivingAntidepressants.  Cut 10% - bad w/d 2 months, held 1 month. 

Micro-tapering: four weekly 0.4% cuts, hold 4 weeks (struggling with symptoms).

8 month hold.

2017 Micro-tapering: four weekly 1% cuts, hold 4 weeks (symptoms almost non-existent).

2020 Still micro-tapering. Just over 2/3 of the way off effexor. Minimal symptoms, - and sleeping well.
Supplements: Fish oil, vitamin C, iron, oat-straw tea, nettle tea.

2023 Now on 7 micro-beads of Effexor. Minimal symptoms but much more time needed between drops.

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