Frogie: how to taper off Lexapro and Xanax?

[Junglechicken]

On ‎23‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 2:03 PM, joy2730 said:

I heard a pharmacist the other day say you shouldn't take citalopram and ibuprofen together cos of risk of stomach bleeding.  Is lexapro is the same as citalopram.  You need to check.

 

Joy 

 

Oh cripes, and so Ibuprofen and escitalopram could cause stomach bleeding too?

 

 

[apace41]

2 hours ago, Junglechicken said:

Oh cripes, and so Ibuprofen and escitalopram could cause stomach bleeding too?

 

JC,

 

One of the side effects of MANY pharmaceuticals and over the counter meds, as well as herbs, is the potential for thinning of blood which increases the risk of bleeding.  In the ordinary person, in the absence of other medical conditions and/or the overuse of over the counter meds, it is not very likely that this will be the result.  I would not stop the occasional use of ibuprofen for fear of stomach bleeds.  If you were to use it all day every day like many do, then I'd be concerned.

 

Best,

 

Andy

[Frogie]

4 hours ago, joy2730 said:

Hi Frogie

 

We are all using Amazon - I have just ordered Esme''s baby first laptop from Amazon.  I don't have a lot to buy for at Christmas.

 

You sound like you are coping well and no significant withdrawal symptoms.  Good for u

 

Joy 

Hi Joy:

 

Esme will love the laptop. Isn't it funny that you buy a laptop for a baby nowadays? I remember typing class in school, no computers.

 

I know everyone is using Amazon, or something else to order Christmas presents, but I'm a "hands on" person, and I love to shop. Oh well, we will be home soon enough.

 

I'm doing better with my back. I haven't taken a pain pill since yesterday morning. The only reason I took 1/2 was because I knew we were going to be in the car and at Walmart.  None of these meds have affected my WD any.

 

Thanks for stopping by, I appreciate it.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Frogie]

4 hours ago, Junglechicken said:

 

Oh cripes, and so Ibuprofen and escitalopram could cause stomach bleeding too?

 

 

JC:

 

You can take ibuprofen, just don't take it like candy. But a headache or something like that won't hurt you.

 

Hope you are doing well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[joy2730]

Hi Frogie

 

Yes it is weird buying a baby's first laptop, but it is so essential.  If Esme is anywhere near me when I am typing on my laptop she comes and bashes away at the keys, likewise with my smart phone.  She has no fear of anything going wrong if she touches something.  At nearly 10 months she can swipe and tap my smart phone like an expert.  I am going to pay for typing lessons when she is older, I didn't learn to type until after university but I am so glad I learnt.  Otherwise I wouldn't type so much on this site!

 

I am so impressed with your lack of withdrawal symptoms.

 

Do you think the anxiety you suffered at your last drop has now gone away and that it was just withdrawal?  I am interested to know, and so glad your back is getting better.

 

Joy

[Frogie]

32 minutes ago, joy2730 said:

Hi Frogie

 

Yes it is weird buying a baby's first laptop, but it is so essential.  If Esme is anywhere near me when I am typing on my laptop she comes and bashes away at the keys, likewise with my smart phone.  She has no fear of anything going wrong if she touches something.  At nearly 10 months she can swipe and tap my smart phone like an expert.  I am going to pay for typing lessons when she is older, I didn't learn to type until after university but I am so glad I learnt.  Otherwise I wouldn't type so much on this site!

 

I am so impressed with your lack of withdrawal symptoms.

 

Do you think the anxiety you suffered at your last drop has now gone away and that it was just withdrawal?  I am interested to know, and so glad your back is getting better.

 

Joy

Hi Joy:

 

I know what you mean about the kids and computers. My 10 year old granddaughter shows me things on my iPad and phone I didn't even know. They are smart. That's awesome that you are going to have Esme typing lessons.

 

I was kinda afraid of WD symptoms with the meds for my back, but I'm fine.

 

I know the anxiety I had at my last drop was WD. It only lasted a couple of days. I still have anxiety but always have. Nothing like I had when I dropped my dosage. I hope my next drop I won't have it, but at least I know what to expect.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[joy2730]

Thanks for your reply Frogie, that is really helpful to me.  I am trying to learn some withdrawal reactions that others are having.

 

Joy

[Frogie]

1 hour ago, joy2730 said:

Thanks for your reply Frogie, that is really helpful to me.  I am trying to learn some withdrawal reactions that others are having.

 

Joy

No problem Joy, I will tell you anything you want to know. I may be asking you questions too.

 

We are here to help each other.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Scorpio]

Hi frogie

i hope everything is still improving for you and you have had a good day today. 

I made it out again today but anxiety ramping up all day, I hate that symptom it rules my life, the rest of w/d I can generally cope with. My daughter and grandson came this afternoon and she wanted me to go to a superstore with them. A sea of screaming children and babies and harassed parents god it will be good when Christmas is over and we can all get back to normal. My ears are now playing their own screaming symphony in my ears. Yuk. 

[Frogie]

45 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

Hi frogie

i hope everything is still improving for you and you have had a good day today. 

I made it out again today but anxiety ramping up all day, I hate that symptom it rules my life, the rest of w/d I can generally cope with. My daughter and grandson came this afternoon and she wanted me to go to a superstore with them. A sea of screaming children and babies and harassed parents god it will be good when Christmas is over and we can all get back to normal. My ears are now playing their own screaming symphony in my ears. Yuk. 

Hi Scorpio:

 

That's great that you got out again. You're facing your anxiety. It must have let up a little. I know what you mean about the screaming children and all the people. That bothers me even when I'm not in WD. I'm doing ok. My back is still sore, but nothing like it was. I think I should have gone to the dr a while ago.

 

My fiancé and our renter have demo'ed the bathroom and are putting in a new sub floor now. I have a little anxiety because of all of this going on. But it will calm down when they get it done. I hope they can get it done in a another weekend or so, because the wall came down between the bathroom and my granddaughters room. I want her before Christmas.

 

Hopefully your ears will calm down.

 

Take dare,

Frogie xx

[Flowers]

Hello Frogie

 

How is your back today? I really hope you are feeling better and had a good Thanksgiving.  Looks like you have a lot of work going on in the house. All these things are awful while they are going on but will be great when they are finished and you can enjoy it.

 

My husband is doing some home improvements too and we have knocked the wall down between our kitchen and lounge to make the lounge bigger. Then we are putting a new kitchen in one of the bedrooms which is a bigger room so we will have a bigger kitchen. We are living in a bombsite but I don't care really. As long as we have somewhere to sit comfortably (even though the sofas have dust sheets on them !)and the animals are OK that is all that matters really.  It gives him something to do when I don't feel that great.

 

I am still taking the antibiotics which are working but make me feel weird. I don't know how you coped with taking all those that you had to recently. You are a real trooper.

 

Hope you are having a nice weekend. 

 

Hugs to you and Brownie.

 

Flowers xxx

 

[RachelSusan]

Hi Frogie,

 

I got your message on my thread. Thank you so much.  I am actually doing fairly well with the withdrawal.  I've been almost symptom free, I think for a little more than two weeks now.  I am dealing with other health issues that have kept me off of here, but doing the happy dance about being almost symptom free with the withdrawal.  I say "almost"  because I still get the hot sweats, probably two to four times a day, but they only last for a few minutes.  That seems to be "withdrawal normal" for me.  Those don't ever really go away.

 

Your progress with the Lexapro is impressive.  I'm so glad you rode out your last cut. Last January you were at 9 mg.  In spite of all the nausea you went through, and everything else, you are now down to 4.9.  That is so impressive. We will get off of these drugs. It may not be pretty and it may not be easy, but we will get off.

 

I read your post about the new bathroom.  It's great that you have someone that knows how to do that stuff.   I am always so envious of, and impressed by those that do know. Except for working with the sprinklers my husband is not knowledgeable about any of that sort of stuff.  As for me, I don't know how to do any repairs but I do know the steps that need to be taken in a lot of cases. That's not really a good enough knowledge base but at least it's better than none so that when I hire someone I know if they are doing it correctly. 

 

xoxo

RS

[Frogie]

36 minutes ago, Flowers said:

Hello Frogie

 

How is your back today? I really hope you are feeling better and had a good Thanksgiving.  Looks like you have a lot of work going on in the house. All these things are awful while they are going on but will be great when they are finished and you can enjoy it.

 

My husband is doing some home improvements too and we have knocked the wall down between our kitchen and lounge to make the lounge bigger. Then we are putting a new kitchen in one of the bedrooms which is a bigger room so we will have a bigger kitchen. We are living in a bombsite but I don't care really. As long as we have somewhere to sit comfortably (even though the sofas have dust sheets on them !)and the animals are OK that is all that matters really.  It gives him something to do when I don't feel that great.

 

I am still taking the antibiotics which are working but make me feel weird. I don't know how you coped with taking all those that you had to recently. You are a real trooper.

 

Hope you are having a nice weekend. 

 

Hugs to you and Brownie.

 

Flowers xxx

 

Hi Flowers:

 

My fiancé and our renter got the walls down and most of the subfloor torn up. They are back to it at 8am tomorrow morning. They should be able to get the subfloor done tomorrow.

 

I know it's a mess, but I can shut the doors to the bathroom and bedroom. I just hope it gets done in time for me to get my granddaughter before Christmas. He said it should only take a couple of weeks, so we shall see.

 

Sounds like you are really remodeling. It will be nice when you are done.

 

My back is a lot better than it was. I'm still taking the anti inflammatory, which makes me loopy.

 

I'm sorry the antibiotics are making you feel weird. I had one that gave me hives, so he put me on something else. I'm glad that ordeal is over.

 

I hope we both feel better soon. You did online shopping too. I love going to the malls but we are too far away to go. I just ordered everything I could.

 

Had a nice Thanksgiving. We were supposed to go to my fiancés family, but since my back was hurt. We stayed home. My Uncle was here. It was quiet. Had dinner, watched the parades and football. My Uncle went home this morning. He was here a week.

 

Glad to hear from you.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Frogie]

5 minutes ago, RachelSusan said:

Hi Frogie,

 

I got your message on my thread. Thank you so much.  I am actually doing fairly well with the withdrawal.  I've been almost symptom free, I think for a little more than two weeks now.  I am dealing with other health issues that have kept me off of here, but doing the happy dance about being almost symptom free with the withdrawal.  I say "almost"  because I still get the hot sweats, probably two to four times a day, but they only last for a few minutes.  That seems to be "withdrawal normal" for me.  Those don't ever really go away.

 

Your progress with the Lexapro is impressive.  I'm so glad you rode out your last cut. Last January you were at 9 mg.  In spite of all the nausea you went through, and everything else, you are now down to 4.9.  That is so impressive. We will get off of these drugs. It may not be pretty and it may not be easy, but we will get off.

 

I read your post about the new bathroom.  It's great that you have someone that knows how to do that stuff.   I am always so envious of, and impressed by those that do know. Except for working with the sprinklers my husband is not knowledgeable about any of that sort of stuff.  As for me, I don't know how to do any repairs but I do know the steps that need to be taken in a lot of cases. That's not really a good enough knowledge base but at least it's better than none so that when I hire someone I know if they are doing it correctly. 

 

xoxo

RS

Hi RS:

 

I'm glad your WD symptoms are going away. I'm sorry to hear about your other illness. I hope it will go away soon so you can keep on going without WD symptoms.

 

We have a huge mess. When my fiancé tore down the wall from the bathtub, it wasn't what he thought it was in framing. So, he had to tear  (spelling?) down the whole wall which meant he had to pull up su flooring in the bathroom and some of the bedroom. Hopefully he and out renter can get the new subfloor down tomorrow. I just want it done. He said it should be done in a couple of weeks. Looking at it today I can't see it being done in that time frame.

 

We will get off of these horrible meds one way or another. We will be fine.

 

Glad to hear from you.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Littlegrandma]

Hi Frogie 

Dont you  wish you could stay in a hotel til renovations are done?  Even when my husband paints, the whole house is torn up for days. But it’ll be lovely when it’s done. 

 

Glad and to hear your back is better. You sound good. 

 

So your granddaughter is coming for Christmas? I thought you said otherwise. Excellent. 

 

I haven’t even felt like shopping online. I am going to be struggling last minute. That makes Christmas too stressful. I like everything wrapped and under the tree early so I can just sit back and enjoy and relax. Oh well. Somehow will make it through. 

 

Have a a peaceful night xx lg

[Frogie]

6 minutes ago, Littlegrandma said:

Hi Frogie 

Dont you  wish you could stay in a hotel til renovations are done?  Even when my husband paints, the whole house is torn up for days. But it’ll be lovely when it’s done. 

 

Glad and to hear your back is better. You sound good. 

 

So your granddaughter is coming for Christmas? I thought you said otherwise. Excellent. 

 

I haven’t even felt like shopping online. I am going to be struggling last minute. That makes Christmas too stressful. I like everything wrapped and under the tree early so I can just sit back and enjoy and relax. Oh well. Somehow will make it through. 

 

Have a a peaceful night xx lg

Hi LG:

 

It's a mess, but I can close the door to the bathroom and the bedroom. My fiancé said it would be done in 2 weeks or so. Looking at it today, it looks like 2 years lol... I'm not doing anything, just watching. 

 

I'm doing ok. I didn't even put a tree up. My Uncle is coming for Christmas and that's it. I hope to have my granddaughter a weekend or a few days before Christmas so we can make cookies and do girl stuff. Haven't heard when though.

 

I want to go to malls so bad, but at least she's getting presents, online shopping, yuck!

 

I hope you get to feeling better so you can at least online shop and get some of it done.

 

My back is getting better everyday, but I'm taking an anti inflammatory. I have pain meds if I need them. I've only taken 2 and they were split in 1/2, the anti inflammatory makes me loopy.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Scorpio]

Hi frogie

hope your back is good and pain easing. I feel for you with the building work. When I first found out I was in w/d in July we had six weeks of building work going on all over the house. It nearly finished me off, I had nowhere to hide so I truly sympathise. At least it is a step nearer to planning going home for you and a lovely room to enjoy with your granddaughter when she arrives. 

Im back to square one today, anxiety, nausea, grumbling stomach. Pushed too far again or just the way of this trying to stabilise. A day of doing nothing today just trying to ride it out. 

[Frogie]

3 hours ago, Scorpio said:

Hi frogie

hope your back is good and pain easing. I feel for you with the building work. When I first found out I was in w/d in July we had six weeks of building work going on all over the house. It nearly finished me off, I had nowhere to hide so I truly sympathise. At least it is a step nearer to planning going home for you and a lovely room to enjoy with your granddaughter when she arrives. 

Im back to square one today, anxiety, nausea, grumbling stomach. Pushed too far again or just the way of this trying to stabilise. A day of doing nothing today just trying to ride it out. 

Hi Scorpio:

 

I will be glad when the work is done but it's going to take a couple of weeks, so my fiancé says. I think longer. He hasn't even ordered the bathtub, vanity, toilet or Sheetrock! How can you get it done without stuff to put in? That's a man thing I guess.

 

My granddaughter had a bedroom, but no bathroom. So she will now. He had to take a wall down in her room to make the bathroom about a foot bigger.

 

I will be glad when it's done and hasn't even really begun.

 

I'm going to do laundry today. I don't want to clean with all the mess, it does no good. My back is better I think. I only took an anti inflammatory this morning, hopefully I won't need a pain pill. I split them in 1/2, and I've only taken 2 1/2 pain pills. I've done really well.

 

I'm sorry you aren't feeling well. Have you tried anything for your nausea?  If you have does it help? I hope you did.

 

Have a good day.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

 

 

[Junglechicken]

On ‎25‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 12:32 PM, apace41 said:

 

JC,

 

One of the side effects of MANY pharmaceuticals and over the counter meds, as well as herbs, is the potential for thinning of blood which increases the risk of bleeding.  In the ordinary person, in the absence of other medical conditions and/or the overuse of over the counter meds, it is not very likely that this will be the result.  I would not stop the occasional use of ibuprofen for fear of stomach bleeds.  If you were to use it all day every day like many do, then I'd be concerned.

 

Best,

 

Andy

 

Thanks for explaining Andy,

 

I use painkillers minimally, much to the frustration of my hubby!

 

Best,

JC

[Frogie]

1 minute ago, Junglechicken said:

 

Thanks for explaining Andy,

 

I use painkillers minimally, much to the frustration of my hubby!

 

Best,

JC

JC:

 

When you need them, it's ok to use them in moderation. And Tylenol is better than ibuprofen, if you don't have liver problems.

 

Just don't take them like I did that one day, really dumb move.

 

Hope you are doing better.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Junglechicken]

On ‎25‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 2:17 PM, Frogie said:

JC:

 

You can take ibuprofen, just don't take it like candy. But a headache or something like that won't hurt you.

 

Hope you are doing well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

 

Thanks Frogie and Andy,

 

No, I don't take them like candy - I try to brick a lot of pain.

 

Wish I was doing better - IBS, bladder issues continue.

 

I think my GP thinks its hormonal as she didn't seem remotely concerned - just chalked them up to hormones / anxiety.

 

Glad your back is better Frogie.

 

TC,

JC xxx

[Frogie]

1 minute ago, Junglechicken said:

 

Thanks Frogie and Andy,

 

No, I don't take them like candy - I try to brick a lot of pain.

 

Wish I was doing better - IBS, bladder issues continue.

 

I think my GP thinks its hormonal as she didn't seem remotely concerned - just chalked them up to hormones / anxiety.

 

Glad your back is better Frogie.

 

TC,

JC xxx

Thanks JC:

 

My back feels better, not normal but 85-90% better than it was.

 

If you do take Tylenol or ibuprofen, take milk thistle for your liver. 

 

My my liver has been just a few points on the high side, but nothing concerning, like it was. I take a natural Vitamin E. No soy in it. Soy will turn it rancid.

 

I'm sorry you are going through IBS and bladder issues still. I hope they resolve soon. I take Schiff Digestive Enzyme for Irritable Bowel Support and Metamucil and it keeps me regular. I order it off of Amazon. It really does work. If I forget to take it, I end up like you. Just a thought.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Junglechicken]

9 minutes ago, Frogie said:

Thanks JC:

 

My back feels better, not normal but 85-90% better than it was.

 

If you do take Tylenol or ibuprofen, take milk thistle for your liver. 

 

My my liver has been just a few points on the high side, but nothing concerning, like it was. I take a natural Vitamin E. No soy in it. Soy will turn it rancid.

 

I'm sorry you are going through IBS and bladder issues still. I hope they resolve soon. I take Schiff Digestive Enzyme for Irritable Bowel Support and Metamucil and it keeps me regular. I order it off of Amazon. It really does work. If I forget to take it, I end up like you. Just a thought.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

 

That's a big improvement Frogie!  85-90% better, you're getting there then.

 

I'm seeing my naturopath on Thursday anyway (getting desperate).  I didn't know you suffered from IBS too?  The peppermint oil and charcoal ain't working, and I'm mid-cycle (TOTM), so this may be contributing given my hormonal fluctuations.

 

Its all doing my nut, I think I'm going crazy, and my hubby is pretty fed up too.

 

Thanks for the Schiff Digestive Enzyme tip off.  I was taking something similar but my naturopath told me stop taking it on account of the number of bowel movements I was having, lol!

 

I give up!! I really do, its all infuriating.

 

TC,

JC xxx

[Frogie]

3 hours ago, Junglechicken said:

 

That's a big improvement Frogie!  85-90% better, you're getting there then.

 

I'm seeing my naturopath on Thursday anyway (getting desperate).  I didn't know you suffered from IBS too?  The peppermint oil and charcoal ain't working, and I'm mid-cycle (TOTM), so this may be contributing given my hormonal fluctuations.

 

Its all doing my nut, I think I'm going crazy, and my hubby is pretty fed up too.

 

Thanks for the Schiff Digestive Enzyme tip off.  I was taking something similar but my naturopath told me stop taking it on account of the number of bowel movements I was having, lol!

 

I give up!! I really do, its all infuriating.

 

TC,

JC xxx

I think I'm improving. No pain meds today. Did take an anti inflammatory. So I may not be 85-90%, I may just be hoping lol... But it doesn't hurt enough to take a pain pill. I've done laundry today and it didn't bother me much bending putting things away.

 

You are welcome on the info. I take it and it controls my IBS. It could be the high fiber you are eating that gives you so many bowel

movements.

 

My fiancé gets fed up with me too, join the club. He used to be so nice, now he tells me I drive him nuts when I ask him a question.

 

I give up too! I'm as frustrated as you.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Littlegrandma]

Hah men!

theyre just frustrated seeing us all suffer. They like to fix things and this is beyond they’re control.  It’s affecting their lives, their fun time. My husband won’t go out without me.  Just being the devils advocate. Ha

 

frogie I’m glad you’ve gotten relief from the back pain. Don’t overdo the housework and set yourself back.  xx lg

[Scorpio]

Hi frogie

your building work sounds wonderful and your granddaughter will be thrilled with her own en suite. How on earth can men work like that not getting all the necessary equipment needed before starting. Different breed to us organised women. 

The only thing I am taking for the nausea is peppermint tea I find it disgusting and not even sure it helps but at least it is something. I managed to change the sheets and do the laundry but that was it for me today the rest of it was spent feeling very sorry for myself on the settee. 

Chiming in on jungle chicken, LG and your comments - men just can’t cope when we are going through this. Their default is get help, get well, see results,  this is too far outside their comfort zone and they are helpless. Men don’t like that feeling. 

 I

[Frogie]

28 minutes ago, Littlegrandma said:

Hah men!

theyre just frustrated seeing us all suffer. They like to fix things and this is beyond they’re control.  It’s affecting their lives, their fun time. My husband won’t go out without me.  Just being the devils advocate. Ha

 

frogie I’m glad you’ve gotten relief from the back pain. Don’t overdo the housework and set yourself back.  xx lg

Hi LG:

 

Oh I wish it was just frustration watching you suffer. I think it's beyond anyone's control. I know you are just being the devils advocate.

 

I wake up every morning not wanting to get out of bed because I'm nauseaous. I take Xanax to somewhat control my anxiety. But it's really high right now because the one bathroom is torn down to the studs and one wall is missing from my granddaughters bedroom and she now wants to come in 2 weekends. My fiancé said it should be done in a couple of weeks but I don't know how. There isn't even a floor in the bathroom and 1/2 a floor in the bedroom.

 

My fiancé won't go out with me either. He used to be nice, now he just gets frustrated with me and tells me to stop and shut up, I'm driving him nuts. My life is not what everyone thinks it is. I told him I would go with him to pick up the stuff for the bathroom and he said no, I'm no good, I can't lift anything, he's taking the neighbor. I get to stay home as usual.

 

But I'm good enough to get insurance and license plates for the trailer we bought so he can go pick up everything.

 

I haven't taken any pain meds today and only 1 anti inflammatory pill, so I think I'm getting better. I'm not doing any housework until this bedroom and bathroom is done. With all the dust, I'm not messing with it. Just did laundry so it doesn't pile up.

 

I sit and cry a lot and I mean a lot!

 

I hope you are doing better.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Frogie]

24 minutes ago, Scorpio said:

Hi frogie

your building work sounds wonderful and your granddaughter will be thrilled with her own en suite. How on earth can men work like that not getting all the necessary equipment needed before starting. Different breed to us organised women. 

The only thing I am taking for the nausea is peppermint tea I find it disgusting and not even sure it helps but at least it is something. I managed to change the sheets and do the laundry but that was it for me today the rest of it was spent feeling very sorry for myself on the settee. 

Chiming in on jungle chicken, LG and your comments - men just can’t cope when we are going through this. Their default is get help, get well, see results,  this is too far outside their comfort zone and they are helpless. Men don’t like that feeling. 

 I

Hi Scorpio:

 

The only thing I managed was laundry. So you are ahead of me.

 

You need to get some Phenergran if you can. Even 1/2 pill helps.

 

As you read Littlegrandma's that I responded too, I sit and cry a lot and I mean a lot!

 

I don't wish bad things on anyone, I hope you and LG know that. I'm so nauseous in the morning I don't want to get out if bed.

 

My granddaughter wants to come in 2 weekends, but I'm sure there is no way. Half of the floor in her room is missing. And there is no wall between her room and the bathroom, which is down to the studs and no floor.

 

I have a list made up of the things we need for the bathroom, including part and model numbers, but he hasn't even looked at it.

 

I just try to be positive on here for everyone, try to be nice to everyone, but I sure don't live a life of roses. My life is thorns if not worse.

 

I hope you are doing well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Frogie]

21 minutes ago, Frogie said:

Hi LG:

 

Oh I wish it was just frustration watching you suffer. I think it's beyond anyone's control. I know you are just being the devils advocate.

 

I wake up every morning not wanting to get out of bed because I'm nauseaous. I take Xanax to somewhat control my anxiety. But it's really high right now because the one bathroom is torn down to the studs and one wall is missing from my granddaughters bedroom and she now wants to come in 2 weekends. My fiancé said it should be done in a couple of weeks but I don't know how. There isn't even a floor in the bathroom and 1/2 a floor in the bedroom.

 

My fiancé won't go out with me either. He used to be nice, now he just gets frustrated with me and tells me to stop and shut up, I'm driving him nuts. My life is not what everyone thinks it is. I told him I would go with him to pick up the stuff for the bathroom and he said no, I'm no good, I can't lift anything, he's taking the neighbor. I get to stay home as usual.

 

But I'm good enough to get insurance and license plates for the trailer we bought so he can go pick up everything.

 

I haven't taken any pain meds today and only 1 anti inflammatory pill, so I think I'm getting better. I'm not doing any housework until this bedroom and bathroom is done. With all the dust, I'm not messing with it. Just did laundry so it doesn't pile up.

 

I sit and cry a lot and I mean a lot!

 

I hope you are doing better.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

I misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about me, not men. I'm really sorry, but you just got the lowdown on my life. As wonderful as everyone's here.

 

Feel better.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Littlegrandma]

Oh Frogie, I’m so sorry. I cry a lot too. It is uncontrollable. 

 

Did you think I was looking for pity when we’re  all suffering? Too funny. I bet you thought I was the most selfish B***H. 

 

My husband is very supportive. If he told me to shut up, I’d deck him. I know he’s burning out taking care of me, cooking dinner like your fiancé does after working long days.  And he helps me with the babies when he gets home. 

 

This just sucks. Every day I wonder how I ended up in this hell that there’s no escape from. Thurs was a decent day and I am paying dearly for it now. And I didn’t overdo it. It was a calm day. 

 

Glad your back is continuing to improve.

You can cry to me anytime. 

xx lg

[Frogie]

57 minutes ago, Littlegrandma said:

Oh Frogie, I’m so sorry. I cry a lot too. It is uncontrollable. 

 

Did you think I was looking for pity when we’re  all suffering? Too funny. I bet you thought I was the most selfish B***H. 

 

My husband is very supportive. If he told me to shut up, I’d deck him. I know he’s burning out taking care of me, cooking dinner like your fiancé does after working long days.  And he helps me with the babies when he gets home. 

 

This just sucks. Every day I wonder how I ended up in this hell that there’s no escape from. Thurs was a decent day and I am paying dearly for it now. And I didn’t overdo it. It was a calm day. 

 

Glad your back is continuing to improve.

You can cry to me anytime. 

xx lg

What I thought you were saying was I trying to fix things out of my control. I didn't read it was about men. I am truly sorry.

 

I've just had a bad time latley. First I messed up Thanksgiving, so my fiancé didn't get to see his family because of my back. I couldn't do anything with my Uncle because of my back and now everything is torn up and my fiancé sits on the couch watching tv. He could be looking at the list on the computer, but instead he just keeps telling me we can't buy trim for the baseboard right now. We've lived here 4 years and still don't have baseboards, but we have no wall and no floor in the one bathroom and 1/2 of my granddaughters bedroom.

 

I'm just at my wits end. He keeps saying we will get all this done, but it will be the day we move out if we move. I'm beginning to wonder if he's  not putting this off so he can stall looking for a job and I can go home. I'm not smart enough to do any of this stuff, but I better get insurance and license plates on the trailer we bought so he can go buy the stuff he thinks we need right now. I don't know why he can't buy the stupid baseboard and make he happy, but not going to happen.

 

I sit and cry during the day. I don't want him seeing me cry because he just asks what's wrong now. He was an absolute gem when I first got together, now he is acting like his brother in my WD. 

 

I live on a very limited income and can't afford to live on my own. I cry about that.

 

I think I'm just tired already of this remodeling. It needs to get done in a couple of weeks like he said. 

 

Again I'm really sorry, please accept my apology. You can cry to me anytime too.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

[Flowers]

Hi Frogie

 

Just read your last post. I think a lot of us in WD who live with someone go through the same things as you are right now. Every relationship has its ups and downs but with WD thrown into the mix it can be awful! My husband does his best and has been my rock throughout WD but he is not a saint and gets really fed up with it all sometimes. I feel so guilty that this is affecting us in a bad way. I often think how I would deal with it had it been the other way round and my husband was the one in WD.  Of course I would help him as I would if it were a 'regular' illness but it would be very hard to understand something that no one can fix like a broken leg!

 

Having work  done in the house is very stressful as I know - we are going through a major reform at the moment. We have to do most of it through the winter when my husband isn't so busy at work. I know you are looking forward to your granddaughter coming  and want everything to be great for her but is there no way round this? All that matters is that she is with you so could she sleep on the couch if the new room isn't finished? I know it isn't what you want but it would be better than nothing. I have had to let go of these stressors in WD or I would have been so much worse.

 

My house has been a bombsite for most of this year but I still have friends visit - they come to see me and not the house ( I hope!)  and don't seem to mind stepping over the tools etc that are always around, not to mention the dust.   We still have a nice time together. 

 

I know the fact that you so want to go home is at the root of all this. Sometimes all you can see is obstacles stopping you getting there and it must be very hard on you. But it will happen - the bathroom and bedroom are getting done.   Something you can tick off towards your goal.

 

I am sure your fiance wants you to be happy and will do his best to get you home.  Just keep talking and communicating and try not to fall out.  What is it they say - Men are from Mars and women from Venus!!!lol!

 

Don't get too down Frogie - we are all here for you and I truly hope that harmony is soon restored to your household.

 

Thinking of you.

 

Flowers xxx

 

 

 

 

[Littlegrandma]

Good morning Frogie 

theres no need to apologize. I understand your frustration. Being in wd is such a helpless feeling to accomplish anything. To participate in anything. And we question our lives , our relationships. I’m sure your fiancé just misses you being a part of his life. He’s suffering along with you. Face it, at the moment we’re not exactly the same people our husbands fell in love with. I went from being a wife and mother, the caretaker, to being the child. 

 

Does your fiance not not want to go back home?  He’s probably just too overwhelmed with work, house project, and worrying about you to add any more to his plate right now.  Right now probably isn’t a good time to question relationships. Our brains are not our norm. 

 

Things are are going to work out. You’ve got a year before you move. Try not to fret it. The work around the house will get done.... just not as fast as you’d like. It’s just your wd making you anxious about it. When the work is finally done, you’ll be on your way to recovery and finally on your way back home. 

 

Just take care of yourself. I know you want things perfect for your granddaughter. It’s going to be fine. It’ll work out. She just wants to spend the time with you. 

 

Take care Frogie. Have a peaceful day. xx lg

[manymoretodays]

Hey Froglet,

 

It's probably just the Hollowdays.  Men feel that too.  That he got a bit short with you.  And he is pretty busy.  He is probably not as upset as you think, about not seeing his Mom over Thanksgiving.  Gave him time to get down to and get going on the renovations.   He is probably not dwelling on it, or blaming, and has already moved on. 

 

I'll vote for having your dear granddaughter come on over, even with the renovations going on.  You could consider shortening her stay, or possibly going on up/down, where ever, and staying with her?  Do you guys share one car too?   Is she 7?  7 year olds are pretty cool and wise........I'm sure she'll be healing to visit with.

 

The tears will come.  Whenever I am feeling a bit agitated inside I always feel better when it shifts over to tears.

 

Hopefully chiro today?  And onward.

 

Best, Love, peace,

mmt

 

 

 

[Frogie]

Hi LG and Flowers:

 

Thanks for all your kind words. It means a lot that you would take the time to let me know you go through the same things as I'm going through. My fiancé used to be so caring and loving, and like I said he has turned into his brother. Cold hearted and mean. I was sitting here last night with him and asked him a question, he picked up the remote and put the tv on pause. He said I don't want to talk about any of this remodeling, I'm watching football I'm done for the day. Well... Ok then, and it was just a question. I get things like that a lot. Do you guys? I'm just frustrated.

 

Then I told him that my granddaughter wants to come in a couple weekends and he said she would have to wait until her room and the bathroom is done. We can't even get to any of her stuff, the closet is blocked and a hole in the floor is obstructing moving things around. He is right in that aspect. She is used to her room and watching tv, and playing with her toys and such. I mentioned maybe Tuesday night him and the neighbor could go pick up the stuff from the store. He said Tuesday night he has an insurance meeting at work, so that takes care of that. Then Dec 9th is his company Christmas party, so there is another weekend shot.

 

I guess I'm just frustrated because when he wants to work on it he will. I'm just wondering how much will get done during the week after he gets home from work. Probably not a lot, and I can't do anything except paint, so I'm no help.

 

My back is better. Not 100% by any means, but I haven't even taken an anti inflammatory today. I just have a little ache.

 

Thanks for listening to me complain. I have no one else to complain too. Feel free to do the same.

 

We will all get through this together. I just wish it was over just as you guys do.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx

 

[Frogie]

16 minutes ago, manymoretodays said:

Hey Froglet,

 

It's probably just the Hollowdays.  Men feel that too.  That he got a bit short with you.  And he is pretty busy.  He is probably not as upset as you think, about not seeing his Mom over Thanksgiving.  Gave him time to get down to and get going on the renovations.   He is probably not dwelling on it, or blaming, and has already moved on. 

 

I'll vote for having your dear granddaughter come on over, even with the renovations going on.  You could consider shortening her stay, or possibly going on up/down, where ever, and staying with her?  Do you guys share one car too?   Is she 7?  7 year olds are pretty cool and wise........I'm sure she'll be healing to visit with.

 

The tears will come.  Whenever I am feeling a bit agitated inside I always feel better when it shifts over to tears.

 

Hopefully chiro today?  And onward.

 

Best, Love, peace,

mmt

 

 

 

Thanks MMT:

 

I can't have my granddaughter come, like I said in my post there is a hole in her floor and can't get to her closet. She is 10. I just hope he works on this during the week and gets it overwith. It was more than he thought it was going to be.

 

I don't like to cry at all. It makes me feel really weak. But they just come running down my face for no reason.

 

We don't share a car but I can't go up there right now. My daughter in laws sister had a baby and us here until after Christmas and she sleeps in the room I do. Also, don't think I could handle a 4 year old, 2 year old and a baby. I think I'll pass on that house right now. And who will take care of Brownie? My fiancé goes to work before 7am and doesn't get home until 5-5:30.

 

But thanks for stopping by. I really appreciate it.

 

Hope you are doing well.

 

Take care,

Frogie xx