Vegalia Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Hello Shep, 6 hours ago, Shep said: Do you think you would feel better taking it once or twice a day instead of 3 times a day? If so, you could gradually move the dose to the night time. We recommend moving gradually, one hour per day over several days. Moving only one hour per day is gentle on the nervous system. It's okay to stay on the same dose of benzo for more than 30 days. Keep in mind that withdrawal symptoms may be more severe than tolerance symptoms. So tapering too soon can make you worse than holding at the same dose. I regret to not have started with twice a day one year ago. But now, I don't know if I would feel better with twice. I think m'y body and my brain are used to 3/day. I think the most important is to stabilise me first and I have important doses of benzo. I think is more carefull not to change for time. I didn't know your méthod for 3 too 2, but another : very gradually move 0,25 mg of the dose of 3pm on 9 am and 0,25 to 9 PM a week. Some people move just 0,125 mg on morning and 0,125 mg the evening, or less. I have seen a lot of succèss with this méthod. For the same dose of benzo... I understand. I dont want to tapering to soon. I give you an exemple : If I taper 1,5%/ 21 days (always current dose) : for one year : 14,25 mg to 10,855 mg prazepam (- 3,395 mg). For 1,5%/ 28 j : 14,25 mg to 11,53 mg for one year. (- 2,72 mg). Is it a lot? I think my withdrawal symptôms are for most of them the résultats of my recently hard taper of my antidepressant. But maybe I'm wrong? I think is more carefull not to change anything for the benzo for now? What do you think about it? I feel a little better today, but wait and sée.. Less dépressive but very anxious. Thank you very much Shep, I know you have a lot to do on the forum. I hope is sunny at home in US, if it isn't I send you sun from France. Vega. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 Hello, 11 october : I sleep for 11h15 pm to 5.15 am : woke with back pain : 5, head pain : 3, brain zap : 2 but no long time, nausea : 3 8 am : homéopathy, probiotics, lihium citrate, anxiety 3 8.30 am : breakfast and escitalopram1,5 mg 9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 4, anxiety 4 play games with friends on Facebook, answer to a mail of a frien 10 am : pains in réduction, dépression 5, anxiety 7 phone to a friend long time 1.30 pm : homeopathy, eat Do a little homework, and 30 mn gardening (jardinage), dépression 3, anxiety 5 3 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg 4 PM : dépression 4, anxiety : 6 8 PM : diner (i really cooked) dépression 4, anxiety 4 9 PM prazepam 4,75 mg 10 PM : pains up, Brain zap 11.30 PM : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg ***** nausea : not all the day Back muscles contracted, no spasmes unplaisant spine sensations : up Painfull legs : very slight legs are like cotton : stable Equilibrium problems : 4 visual problems : in réduction Bruxism : 5. Cold : several times sensibility to light and noises : in réduction small difficulties for speech ( petites difficultés d'élocution comme si ma langue était anesthésiée. J'ai déjà eu ce symptôme) slightly 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Rhiannon Posted October 12, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 12, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 10:26 AM, Erell said: Maybe one day we Will be able To translate all the precious infos of this board To help French people 😇 Oh that would be wonderful! It would be so great to have multiple language moderators and translators to help people from all over. We get so many visitors from other countries and I feel bad that it's all in English. Started on Prozac and Xanax in 1992 for PTSD after an assault. One drug led to more, the usual story. Got sicker and sicker, but believed I needed the drugs for my "underlying disease". Long story...lost everything. Life savings, home, physical and mental health, relationships, friendships, ability to work, everything. Amitryptiline, Prozac, bupropion, buspirone, flurazepam, diazepam, alprazolam, Paxil, citalopram, lamotrigine, gabapentin...probably more I've forgotten. Started multidrug taper in Feb 2010. Doing a very slow microtaper, down to low doses now and feeling SO much better, getting my old personality and my brain back! Able to work full time, have a full social life, and cope with stress better than ever. Not perfect, but much better. After 23 lost years. Big Pharma has a lot to answer for. And "medicine for profit" is just not a great idea. Feb 15 2010: 300 mg Neurontin 200 Lamictal 10 Celexa 0.65 Xanax and 5 mg Ambien Feb 10 2014: 62 Lamictal 1.1 Celexa 0.135 Xanax 1.8 Valium Feb 10 2015: 50 Lamictal 0.875 Celexa 0.11 Xanax 1.5 Valium Feb 15 2016: 47.5 Lamictal 0.75 Celexa 0.0875 Xanax 1.42 Valium 2/12/20 12 0.045 0.007 1 May 2021 7 0.01 0.0037 1 Feb 2022 6 0!!! 0.00167 0.98 2.5 mg Ambien Oct 2022 4.5 mg Lamictal (off Celexa, off Xanax) 0.95 Valium Ambien, 1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg tablet I'm not a doctor. Any advice I give is just my civilian opinion. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Erell Posted October 12, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 12, 2019 One day we Will! Definitely! These last few days I started To talk To friends again and explained them my situation..they all know someone who is struggling or has struggled with AD 😮😮 !! For now my mind can't, but one day, when I'll Feel better, I want To try To translate and disseminate information in French! 2006 : 20mg Paxil+Bromazepam. 2008 : cold turkey of both. 2010 : Reinstatement 20mg Paxil + Bromazepam. 2014-June2017 : Switch from Bromazepam to Prazepam, slow taper to 0mg. 2018 to August 2019 : Paxil 20mg taper (3% every 15 days). 22 Aug 2019 updose to 10mg (was at 8.4mg). 25th Sept 2019 To April 2020 : found SA, holding at 10mg Paxil. April 2020 : Paxil 10mg to Prozac 7mg bridge. Details : topic/21457 Current Supplements : magnesium citrate + fish oil Current medication : * 7pm Diazepam : 0.85mg (15 Aug 2022) / 0.95 mg (24 April 2022) / 1mg Diazepam (since 29 Aug 2020) * 8am Prozac : 6.16mg (25 oct 2022, feel awful, slight updose) / 6.08 mg (9 oct 2022) / 6.24mg (11 July 22) / 6.44mg (22 May 22) / 6.64mg (4 Nov 21) / 6.72mg (8 oct 21) / 6.8 mg (15 Sept 21)/ 6.88mg (14 Aug 21)/ 6.92mg (23 Jun 21) I am not a professional, I don't give medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. Link to comment
rola Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 hi vegalia I'm French too and I think I was on the same forum as you I wish you courage for your healings see you soon Deroxat (paxil) 20 mg pour 10 ml 12/14 18 mg réduction de 5% tous les mois 13/01/15 14.4mg 15/08 9,6 mg 16.01 reduction3% 8 mg par mois 16/02 7,8 mg 18.02 3 mg 18.03 2,92 à 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 18/06 2,66 mg 26/06/18 2,58 mg en 26 jours 19/03 1,78 mg 15 jours 19/04 1, 64 mg 21 jours 19/05 1,58 mg 24/07/19 1,44 mg 14/08/19 1,4 mg 27/09/19 1,48 mg 10/09/19 retour à 1,58 mg 27/12/19 retour à 1,65mg direct transition to fluoxetine the 11/01/2020 1,65mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 Hello everybody I'm not sûre I will be able to translate very well, m'y english isn't So good. lol Salut @rola Oui, même forum. Je suis presque sûre de t'avoir reconnue (cf ta signature) . Merci pour ton petit mot et bon courage à toi. Vega. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted October 12, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 12, 2019 Hi Vega Glad to see you are feeling a little better. Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 Hi Sass Thank you for jour message Dépression is a little bit less hard, but anxiety very hard. I never had dépression before one month, and the anxiety had never been So hard since...one year, after my third try to reduce short Half-Life benzo (veratran). Since 11 month I almost never had anxiety, very rare, only a few days and 2-3 hours and Never worse than 3 on intensity. Wait and sée... Good night Vega. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 12, 2019 Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 12 october sleep for 12h15 pm to 6.15 am and drowsed to 8 am :woke with back pain : 3 head pain : 3, brain zap : 2 but no long time, no nausea ! 8. 15 am : homéopathy, probiotics, lihium citrate, anxiety 3 8.40 am : breakfast and escitalopram1,5 mg pains in réduction 9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 4, anxiety 4 10 am : tired : go to bed but no slep. 1.pm : homeopathy, eat. Anxiety ; 7 30 mn gardening (jardinage), dépression 3, anxiety 6 3 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg, feel asleep 3.30 PM : go to bed to 6.30 PM, with a nap of just 20 mn. 4 PM : dépression 5, anxiety : 7, i cry a little 7.40 pM : dépression 5, anxiety 7, pains up 9 PM prazepam 4,75 mg : dépression 4 : anxiety 4 ouf ! 11.30 PM : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg ***** nausea : not all the day and not big Back muscles contracted, no spasmes unplaisant spine sensations : in reducy Painfull legs : up at 6 at 9 PM. legs are like cotton : in réduction Equilibrium problems : 4 on morning, but no probkemd dince afternoon visual problems : a lot Bruxism : 7 Cold : 2 times. sensibility to light and noises : stable small difficulties for speech ( petites difficultés d'élocution comme si ma langue était anesthésiée. J'ai déjà eu ce symptôme) in réduction. sweat ? ( transpiration) 3 times Today, the most difficult was anxiety. Tomorrow is another day. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Hello, Sorry but the news are bad today. I feell me very bad. Anxiety and dépression are very hard, too hard. Dispair, cry. I'm affraid and unable to think of other things of my bad fellings, wandering me what to do now with my drugs. Upgrade or not escitalopram ? I'm affraid it will worse if I do this. I'm lost. A part of me want to stay in bed all the day. I will try to wash me and Cook : So, so hard...Not realist : I want to do this, it will be great. But I'm blocked... But, as I often say : tomorrow is another day. Vega 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted October 13, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 13, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 11:48 AM, Vegalia said: I think is more carefull not to change anything for the benzo for now? What do you think about it? I feel a little better today, but wait and sée.. Less dépressive but very anxious. This sounds like a good plan, Vega. When in doubt, hold the drugs steady and let your brain / body adjust. 17 hours ago, Vegalia said: Bruxism : 7 Do you wear a mouth guard to protect your teeth? Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Hello Shep, 41 minutes ago, Shep said: This sounds like a good plan, Vega. When in doubt, hold the drugs steady and let your brain / body adjust. Do you wear a mouth guard to protect your teeth? 1 . Ok, I hope anxiety and dépression will be a litlle bit less hard... Today my back and my arms are burning but I stand it. 2. Yes I have got one but it seems not to be good. I can't afford to have another, but I will try again to wear it. Bruxism, is not the worse symptôm. I think is a symptôms of taper DA, because I had that when I was tapering sertraline and after I didn't have it anymore until recently. Thank you Shep. So : stand, wait and sée, hope and fingers crossed? What about the compléments? I take : lithium citrate 1 mg, L-tryptophan 220 mg, and homéopathy (for digestive problèms). I think that oméga-3 could be a good idea. Before to take oméga-3, I thought maybe stop very slowly L-tryptophane and lithium citrate. Do you have an advice? Thank you So much. Vega. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
rola Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Hi Vegalia I think you should stop all the supplements me on me the proposed and I refused i try one day estress magnesium and my anxiety is magnified on this site he recommends a dose to see how we react and I think our twists became fast as soon as weaning 30 29 28 etc and now on the expensive payday today after this is my opinion I am stable and after only I would take fish oil at the dose here is courage and tell you that on the same fight kisses Edited October 17, 2019 by Altostrata removed code Deroxat (paxil) 20 mg pour 10 ml 12/14 18 mg réduction de 5% tous les mois 13/01/15 14.4mg 15/08 9,6 mg 16.01 reduction3% 8 mg par mois 16/02 7,8 mg 18.02 3 mg 18.03 2,92 à 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 18/06 2,66 mg 26/06/18 2,58 mg en 26 jours 19/03 1,78 mg 15 jours 19/04 1, 64 mg 21 jours 19/05 1,58 mg 24/07/19 1,44 mg 14/08/19 1,4 mg 27/09/19 1,48 mg 10/09/19 retour à 1,58 mg 27/12/19 retour à 1,65mg direct transition to fluoxetine the 11/01/2020 1,65mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Coucou Rola, Je réduirai progressivement. Sass m'avait conseillé de rien toucher pour l'instant, alors j'attends. Courage à toi et merci pour ton petit mot. Bisous. Vega (I will reduce gradually I think. Sass had me advice to not change m'y complements for time, So I'm waiting.) 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 october sleep for 12h30 pm to 5h30 am and drowsed to 7.30 am :woke with back pain : 3 head pain : 3, brain zap, nausea 8. 15 am : homéopathy, probiotics, lihium citrate, anxiety 5, dépression 5 8.40 am : breakfast and escitalopram1,5 mg pains in réduction 9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 5, anxiety 7 10. 30 am : go to bed but no sleep. I cry a little 1.pm : homeopathy, eat. Anxiety ; 8, dépression 5 2. 30 am 30 mn gardening dépression 5 anxiety 7 3 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg 3.30 PM : go to bed to 6.30 for 2-3 h anxiety : 3 ! 4 PM : I cry a little 7.40 pM : homéopathy, dîner, dépression 5, anxiety 6, pains up 9 PM prazepam 4,75 mg : dépression 4 : anxiety 4 ouf ! 11.30 PM : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg ***** nausea : not all the day and not big Back muscles contracted, no spasmes : harder morning and evening unplaisant spine sensations : in réduction Painfull legs legs are like cotton : in réduction Equilibrium problems : on morning and evening. visual problems : not a lot Bruxism : 6 Cold : 2 times. sensibility to light and noises : stable small difficulties for speech ( petites difficultés d'élocution comme si ma langue était anesthésiée. J'ai déjà eu ce symptôme) stable. No sweat Today, the most difficult was anxiety. Physical symptôms seems to be hardest early am morning and the evening. Anxiety and dépression seems to be hardest since midell morning to begining of evening. And tomorrow is another day. Vega 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Hello, I have read this morning the manual of the french forum for antidepressant. And... I found something Intéressant that I didn't remembrer... even if I knowed that change DA might take problèms... Introduction :Avec les antidépresseurs, il est fortement recommandé de sevrer directement l’antidépresseur d’origine et d’envisager d’ajouter une autre molécule ou de passer à une autre molécule, seulement si le sevrage de l’antidépresseur d’origine s’avère trop compliqué, c’est-à-dire que les symptômes de sevrage sont intolérables. En fin de sevrage, lorsque les dernières diminutions deviennent trop difficiles, il est également envisageable d’introduire un antidépresseur de soutien ou de substitution. Comme relevé par Altostrata (2011), administrateur du forum Surviving Antidepressants, un sevrage direct du médicament auquel votre système nerveux est accoutumé est moins risqué que le passage par un autre antidépresseur [sevrage indirect]. En effet, il peut arriver que l’organisme réagisse très mal à l’introduction d’une nouvelle molécule, ce qui provoque, dans la plupart des cas, de sévères effets indésirables. Il peut également arriver que la substitution échoue : c’est le cas lorsque l’action de la nouvelle molécule ne couvre pas les symptômes de sevrage induits par le sevrage de la molécule d’origine. Vega. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
rola Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, Vegalia said: Salut, J'ai lu ce matin le manuel du forum français des antidépresseurs. Et ... j'ai trouvé quelque chose d'intéressant dont je ne me souvenais pas ... même si je savais que ce changement, DA pourrait prendre des problèmes ... Introduction :The antidipresseurs with the antidipresseurs, the fortement suggérés par l'antidépresseur d'origine et l'envisager. compliqué, c'est-à-dire que les symptômes de sevrage sont intolérables. En fin de sevrage, lorsque les dernières diminutions sont trop difficiles, il est également envisageable d'introduire un antidépresseur de soutien ou de substitution. Comme relevé par Altostrata (2011), administrateur du forum Surviving Antidpressant, un médicament sur lequel vous avez un traitement nerveux et qui est moins énervé que le passage par un autre antidépresseur [sevrage indirect]. This is a réagit in the new one in the molecule dans la plupart des cas, de sévères effets indésirables. Il est également possible que la substitution échoue: c'est ce qui s'est passé lorsque la nouvelle molécule est apparue. Vega. Hi I hope you're a little better today I am at a minimal dose of deroxat 1.48 mg and I was proposed to change to prozac but I do not want to introduce a new molecule because I do not risk the suporter kisses and good day courage Deroxat (paxil) 20 mg pour 10 ml 12/14 18 mg réduction de 5% tous les mois 13/01/15 14.4mg 15/08 9,6 mg 16.01 reduction3% 8 mg par mois 16/02 7,8 mg 18.02 3 mg 18.03 2,92 à 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 18/06 2,66 mg 26/06/18 2,58 mg en 26 jours 19/03 1,78 mg 15 jours 19/04 1, 64 mg 21 jours 19/05 1,58 mg 24/07/19 1,44 mg 14/08/19 1,4 mg 27/09/19 1,48 mg 10/09/19 retour à 1,58 mg 27/12/19 retour à 1,65mg direct transition to fluoxetine the 11/01/2020 1,65mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Hi @rola, The day is just bigining : wait and sée. It is sometimes proposed to change I think because a member of the forum has succèss and feel very better since she has changéd, 6 months ago.She has a successfull taper now. To change is a risk, I knew that but I minimized it. The problèm was that the titration of sertraline was not possible for me, and the liquid sertraline is not aviable in France. Précision scale : impossible because the powder of caps was too fine. If it was, I didn't have changed. M'y doctor didn't want to prescrive me magistral préparation more little than mg... So what to do ? Taper mg to mg as longer it was possible or change directly? I thing I have the answer now, 30 days is not a limite.... A question that I asked me : It is saying and writing in manual to reduce 10-3%, considering that 5% is better, bigining with 30 days and try to reduce the number of day if only all is ok gradually to 15. A taper must be with no symptoms ore very small : ok. But why no more that 30 days? It is saying that is a lot and useless, but in the same time it is saying that in tapering we must have no symptom or very small and that tolérance with DA if tolérance exist, Côme often after several years and not 1 month like the benzo. Is not logical... Bonne chance dans ton sevrage. J'espère qu'il se déroulera au mieux. On sait qu'il faut prendre tout le temps dont notre corps a besoin maintenant. Que ta journée soit la plus douce possible. Bisous Vega. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Shep Posted October 14, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 14, 2019 22 hours ago, Vegalia said: Thank you Shep. So : stand, wait and sée, hope and fingers crossed? What about the compléments? I take : lithium citrate 1 mg, L-tryptophan 220 mg, and homéopathy (for digestive problèms). I think that oméga-3 could be a good idea. Before to take oméga-3, I thought maybe stop very slowly L-tryptophane and lithium citrate. Do you have an advice? Please do not taper any of the supplements and homeopathy remedies yet. Please hold everything steady. You just increased the escitalopram on September 28. Do you feel the increased dose has helped? Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Shep said: Please do not taper any of the supplements and homeopathy remedies yet. Please hold everything steady. You just increased the escitalopram on September 28. Do you feel the increased dose has helped? Hello Shep, Ok I dont change for compléments. And I suppose I must waiting to try fish oïl too? I feel me a little, little bit less dépressive but it's still really hard. I feel more and more anxiety : this is very very hard to stand. Thank you for your advices Shep. Vega. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Hello, When I answered to @Shep I was very very anxious and since no long time after, I'm very tired, my brain seem's have had an anesthésia, to be in fog. It will be complicated to explain my day this evening or tomorrow morning, but I will try. Vega. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted October 14, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 14, 2019 Hi Vega Unfortunately brain fog is common in W/D but it does come and go. Please see, brain-fog-blank-mind-comprehension-concentration-cognitive-and-memory-problems/ and eventually it goes completely😎 Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Hi Sass, Yes... I had such problèms with important doses of prazepam, and it was really better since 3-4 month. Now W/ D with DA ok.^^ Not eventually, it will go completly one day "mon cher Sass" 😁 '( you can say mon cher for a man and ma chère for a women and it's ok ) Thank you very much for your support and all you are doing to help me. Vega PS : And...sorry for my english.😇 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 14 october sleep for 11h pm to 4h30 am and drowsed to 6 am :woke with back pain and burning : 5 head pain : 3, brain zap, 8. 15 am : homéopathy, probiotics, lihium citrate, anxiety 2, dépression 4 8.40 am : breakfast and escitalopram1,5 mg pains in réduction 9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 5, anxiety 7 10. 30 am : go to bed but no sleep. 2. pm : homeopathy, eat. Anxiety ; 8, dépression 5 3 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg 3.30 PM : go to bed, my brain is in fog, I'm tiréd 7.40 pM : homéopathy, dîner, dépression 5, anxiety 5, pains, burnings, brain zap up 8.10 PM : take paracétamol 1 g 9 PM prazepam 4,75 mg : dépression 4 : anxiety 3 11.PM : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg ***** nausea : very little Back muscles contracted, no spasmes : harder morning and evening unplaisant spine sensations :stable Painfull legs : less legs are like cotton : no Equilibrium problems : on morning and evening not a lot visual problems : not a lot Bruxism : 5 Cold : 2 times. sensibility to light and noises : stable small difficulties for speech ( petites difficultés d'élocution comme si ma langue était anesthésiée. J'ai déjà eu ce symptôme) in réduction No sweat Today, the most difficult was anxiety. Physical symptôms seems to be hardest early am morning and the evening. Anxiety and dépression seems to be hardest since midell morning to begining of evening. And tomorrow is another day. Vega 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hi, Burnings in back, arms and legs are sévère this morning. I sée m'y doctor this morning. She wanted to prescrive me lamictal : I don't want. I hope that she will prescrive me escitalopram So long as I need... Wish me good luck. Thanks Vega 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted October 15, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 15, 2019 Good luck Vega Be firm but polite with your doctor. Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, Sassenach said: Good luck Vega Be firm but polite with your doctor. Sass Hi Sass, Thank you very much. Yes, I will. Have a good day. Vega 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hi, Ok no lamictal for yet but my doctor told me to think about it. She think to start lamictal with very little doses and adapt very slowly, and assure me is a light drug and no risk with my big sensibiliy with drugs and that I will feel me better. Very little doses is for her 25 mg !!! I have read was Altostrata say about Lamictal : 25 mg is not little ! I' m not a laboratory rat ! And I will not take lamictal. But I didn't say that to the doctor.^^ Have a good day Vega 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Sassenach Posted October 15, 2019 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 15, 2019 Well done Vega Doctors always think add another drug and all will be well. You are doing the right thing by changing nothing and waiting until you stabilise Sass Escitalopram 10mgs from mid 2007 ( can't remember exact date) to 11th Dec 2018 Fentanyl patches ( don't remember dose ) from Nov 2014 to 11 Dec 2018 Quit both cold turkey Dec 2018 Reinstated 3rd March 2019 2.5 mgs. Updosed 8March to 5mgs and holding 25/11/19 Started taper 4.5mgs and holding This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner If you are going through Hell, keep going. NCIS series 15, David MaCallum Link to comment
rola Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sassenach said: Bravo Vega Les médecins pensent toujours ajouter un autre médicament et tout ira bien. Vous faites le bon choix en ne changeant rien et en attendant de vous stabiliser Toupet Hi sassenach is right do not add anything the doctors tend to add you and after you go out more vegala courage we go through the same thing Deroxat (paxil) 20 mg pour 10 ml 12/14 18 mg réduction de 5% tous les mois 13/01/15 14.4mg 15/08 9,6 mg 16.01 reduction3% 8 mg par mois 16/02 7,8 mg 18.02 3 mg 18.03 2,92 à 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 18/06 2,66 mg 26/06/18 2,58 mg en 26 jours 19/03 1,78 mg 15 jours 19/04 1, 64 mg 21 jours 19/05 1,58 mg 24/07/19 1,44 mg 14/08/19 1,4 mg 27/09/19 1,48 mg 10/09/19 retour à 1,58 mg 27/12/19 retour à 1,65mg direct transition to fluoxetine the 11/01/2020 1,65mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hi Sass and Rola, Thank you. 51 minutes ago, Sassenach said: Well done Vega Doctors always think add another drug and all will be well. You are doing the right thing by changing nothing and waiting until you stabilise Sass Yes, is better with dépression : 5-6 but anxiety is terrible, more and more hard Every day.. 7-8,5 since 9 am. Fears a lot today. I feel me So bad. Too hard to stand. I dont know what to do. To change my DA was a terrible error... Sorry to give bad news. Vega 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 15 october sleep for 11.45 pm to 5.15 am : woke with back pain and burning : 6 head pain : 3, brain zap, 8. 15 am : homéopathy, probiotics, lihium citrate, anxiety 2, dépression 4 8.40 am : breakfast and escitalopram1,5 mg 9 am : prazepam 4,75 mg, dépression : 5, anxiety 7 9.30 am : go to the psychiatr with taxi, it's far., Côme back at home at 12 ! Dépression 4, anxiety 7-8 1.30 pm : homeopathy, eat. Anxiety ; 8,,5, dépression 5 3 PM : prazepam 4,75 mg 7.40 pM : homéopathy, dîner, dépression 5, anxiety 5 pains, burnings and brain zap up more than yesterday Braun like in fog. 8.10 PM : take paracétamol 1 g 9 PM prazepam 4,75 mg : dépression 4 : anxiety 4 11.PM : homeopathy and L-tryptophane 220 mg ***** nausea : very little Back muscles contracted, burning arms, legs, brain zap : harder morning and evening, harder than yestetday. unplaisant spine sensations :stable Painfull legs : more legs are like cotton : no Equilibrium problems : on morning and evening more than yesterday visual problems : not a lot Bruxism : 6 Cold : 1 time sensibility to light and noises : stable small difficulties for speech ( petites difficultés d'élocution comme si ma langue était anesthésiée. J'ai déjà eu ce symptôme) in réduction No sweat Today, the most difficult was anxiety. Physical symptôms are harder early am morning and the evening. Less depression, more anxiety : very hard ! Since 3 days pain in pancrea again. I didn't really have rest today : doctor this morning and help my father with téléphon this afternoon. He is ill and in hospital. Vega Edited October 15, 2019 by Vegalia Correction 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
rola Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vegalia said: 15 octobre sommeil de 23h45 à 17h15 : réveil avec maux de dos et brûlures : 6 douleurs à la tête: 3, zap, 8. 15 heures: homéopathie, probiotiques, citrate de lithium , anxiété 2, dépression 4 8h40: petit-déjeuner et escitalopram1,5 mg 9h: prazépam 4,75 mg, dépression : 5, anxiété 7 9h30: rendez-vous chez le psychiatre en taxi, c'est loin., Côme rentre chez lui à 12h! Dépression 4, anxiété 7-8 13h30: homéopathie, manger. Anxiété ; 8, 5, dépression 5 15 heures: prazépam 4,75 mg 7h40: homéopathie, dîner, dépression 5, anxiété 5 douleurs, brûlures et cervelle zappée plus qu'hier Braun comme dans le brouillard. 20h10: prendre du paracétamol 1 g 9 heures du matin prazépam 4,75 mg: dépression 4: anxiété 4 11.PM: homéopathie et L-tryptophane 220 mg ***** nausée: très peu Les muscles du dos se contractent, brûlent les bras, les jambes et le cerveau: plus dur matin et soir, plus dur qu'hier. sensations de colonne vertébrale déplaisantes : stable Jambes douloureuses: plus les jambes sont comme du coton: non Problèmes d'équilibre: matin et soir plus qu'hier problèmes visuels: pas beaucoup Bruxisme : 6 Froid: 1 fois sensibilité à la lumière et aux bruits: stable petites difficultés d'élocution (petites difficultés d'élocution comme si ma langue était anesthésiée. J'ai déjà eu ce symptôme) en réduction Pas de transpiration Aujourd'hui, le plus difficile était l'inquiétude. Les symptômes physiques sont plus difficiles tôt le matin et le soir. Moins de dépression, plus d'anxiété: très difficile! Depuis 3 jours, douleur dans le pancréas à nouveau. Je ne me suis pas vraiment reposée aujourd'hui: médecin ce matin et aidez mon père à téléphoner cet après-midi. Il est malade et hospitalisé. Vega salut vega courage j 'espere que ton papa va aller mieux ça ne doit pas arranger les choses bonne soirée Deroxat (paxil) 20 mg pour 10 ml 12/14 18 mg réduction de 5% tous les mois 13/01/15 14.4mg 15/08 9,6 mg 16.01 reduction3% 8 mg par mois 16/02 7,8 mg 18.02 3 mg 18.03 2,92 à 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 18/06 2,66 mg 26/06/18 2,58 mg en 26 jours 19/03 1,78 mg 15 jours 19/04 1, 64 mg 21 jours 19/05 1,58 mg 24/07/19 1,44 mg 14/08/19 1,4 mg 27/09/19 1,48 mg 10/09/19 retour à 1,58 mg 27/12/19 retour à 1,65mg direct transition to fluoxetine the 11/01/2020 1,65mg Link to comment
Vegalia Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Coucou Merci Rola Non ça fait longtemps qu'il est bien malade mais en plus il s'est pété le col du fémur. Il est dans une bonne clinique mais c'est trop loin pour moi. Je l'aide pour des démarches ou autre par téléphone pour décharger un peu mon frère. Mon père ne sait rien de mon état. C'est mieux pour son moral et sa santé, il a des soins très lourds et pas besoin d'autres soucis. Pour le col du fémur, il semble récupérer assez vite. Merci à toi pour ton soutien, je pense bien à toi aussi tous les jours. Courage à toi @rola Bisous. Vega. 2018 : 29 July xanax 0,125x 2 12 Aug 0,25 x 2 28 Aug clotiazépam 5x2 4 Oct Prazepam : 5-5-7,5 to 3,5-3,5-6,5 25 oct 10x3 21 nov 9,5 x3/ Now Taper 2% / 21days = 19 may 2019 7,32x3/ Now 5%/8 days =10 july 5,145 x3 /Now 2% / 21 days = 27 sept 4,75x3/ Now 1%/21 days = nov 4,70 x3 dec 4,65x3 jan 2020 4,60x3 feb 4,50x3 march 4,45x3 april 4,385x3 may 4,32x3 2018 : 29 Aug Venlafaxine 75mg XR 19 sept 37,5mg 4 oct 75mg18 oct bridge sertraline 1 nov Sertraline 50mg slow taper until mi April 2019= 25mg 15 July Escitalopram 5mg 20 Ju 4mg 22 Ju 3,25mg 23 ju 2,5mg 25 ju 2,25mg 8 Aug 2 mg 16 Aug 1,75mg 20 Aug 1,50mg 12 sept 1,25mg 24 sept 1,38mg 28 sept 1,50mg 8 Jan 1, 60mg Link to comment
Hisame Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hi Vegalia, I’m sorry you’re feeling so bad. I read that you have burning sensations in back, arms and legs. Is it inside your body or at the surface of your skin ? This is one of my worse symptoms, called neuropathic pains. Quelle vie 😥 - 2002 -> 2012 : Paxil, 20 mg for anxiety - January 2012 : 1 month withdrawal -> depression, burning sensations in my legs - February 2012 : reinstate 20 mg -> back to normal - January 2014 -> August 2015 : « alternate days » tapering from 20mg to 2,5 mg -> anxiety, back pain and trouble focusing - 4 september 2015 -> panic attack, psychiatric hospital for 1 week, stop Paxil, get Clomipramine, Abilify, Domperidone for 2 weeks, then stop everything - 20 september 2015 : try to reinstate Paxil 20 mg -> permanent tinnitus with only one tablet - Free from paxil since september 2015 ->suffering from permanent side effects : tinnitus, hyperacusis, neuropathic pain, prostatitis, depression, suicidal ideations, akathisia. Link to comment
rola Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 salut vegalia j'espere que tu as bien dormi et que cette journée va bien se passer bon rétablissement pour ta papa moi aussi personne de mon entourage n'est au courant le fait de parler à tes personnes inconnus nous soulagent car ils comprennent ce que nous vivons je t 'embrasse et prends bien soin de toi à plus @Vegalia Deroxat (paxil) 20 mg pour 10 ml 12/14 18 mg réduction de 5% tous les mois 13/01/15 14.4mg 15/08 9,6 mg 16.01 reduction3% 8 mg par mois 16/02 7,8 mg 18.02 3 mg 18.03 2,92 à 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 3% 5 mai 2018 2,74 mg 18/06 2,66 mg 26/06/18 2,58 mg en 26 jours 19/03 1,78 mg 15 jours 19/04 1, 64 mg 21 jours 19/05 1,58 mg 24/07/19 1,44 mg 14/08/19 1,4 mg 27/09/19 1,48 mg 10/09/19 retour à 1,58 mg 27/12/19 retour à 1,65mg direct transition to fluoxetine the 11/01/2020 1,65mg Link to comment
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