LTurner: Urgent help needed

[LTurner]

In November 2021 I had a galvanic facial the lady didn’t ask if I had metal in my mouth, suffered suspected thermal injuries to alveolar nerves. Burning in mouth, pain in teeth.

 

7 months of barely any sleep to date 

 

neurologist suggests nortriptilyne try for 1 day terrible reaction to it

 

March try amitriptyline for nerve pain up and down through fear as hate drugs makes burning mouth worse with dryness so stop

 

Another doctor says try mirtazipine take for 2 days neurologis says try her with pregablin take for 4 days terrible reactions 

 

Doctor says ok to stop but there were 3 in my system I now realise

 

plungef into dreadful state, doom intense sweating, not knowing where I am, huge changes in skin hair, bowels whole endocrine system 

 

like this for 1 week with zero sleep (was only 2 hours per night since November£

) then doctor says try some zoplicone gives me 2 hours that’s it

 

Another doctor says just anxiety take some beta blockers I take for 1 week up and down dose through fear stop them

Doctor reinstates mirtazipine for sleep but barely sleeping 

 

currently have dreadful feeling of glovus Sensation permanently in throat, can’t tolerate heat, baths makes me feel incredibly poorly, depersonalisation amongst millions of other things extreme dryness suspecting auto immune, joints making awful sound, do not know who the bell I am mouth 100 times worse 

 

am presuming histamine intolerance below surface 

Want off mirtazipine as feeling heavily suicidal, do not think I will ever stabilise on it 

 

feeling like no hope for future my whole brain and body completely damaged 

 

 

Please help? 3 young kids very high achiever before facial 

 

[LTurner]

Massage, touch anything makes the feeling in my throat so much worse. Body stuck in sympathetic mode and unable to get out of it. Hated all drugs before this. Can see no hope just want off mirtazipine but wheezing a lot on it. Do not think I will ever stabilise on mirtazipine, too late to reinstate any others 

[LTurner]

Suspecting all neurotransmitters completely crashed. Family turned against me as every doctor says drugs out of system. Feeling so alone with no hope 

[Altostrata]

Welcome.

 

What drugs are you taking now, at what times o'clock and dosages?

 

To help us out, follow these instructions Please put your drug and withdrawal history in your signature You may need to use a computer to do this.

[LTurner]

Hi Altostrata,

 

thanks for your reply, I’m taking 15mg mirtazipine on an evening but it hasn’t alleviated anything.

 

I suspect there may be mastosytosis at play under the surface which has been exacerbated hugely by the drugs  j just want off mirtazipine but prior to thdd we drugs I had 5 months of barely any sleep due to trauma. Now I sleep maybe an hour-2 a night on mirtazipine, that’s it

 

no idea where to go from here. I feel like mirtazipine simply kept me alive but my body and mind are in such a state now I don’t think I’d survive getting off it but it’s just making all other issues worse staying on it.

 

if I only sleep like that on mirtazipine I dread to think of the state of my brain

[Altostrata]

Not sure what's going on. You could have a medical condition that coincidentally became apparent at the time you had a disastrous facial. We don't provide general medical care here. Strongly recommend you talk to a specialist about your throat symptoms, as well as suspected mastocytosis or histamine intolerance.

 

This site is for tapering off psychiatric drugs and recovery from withdrawal syndrome. While you may have had adverse reactions to psychiatric drugs, it doesn't sound like you have withdrawal syndrome per se.

 

Some people who have immediate adverse reactions to psychiatric drugs have symptoms very much like protracted withdrawal for months. We advise those people to be patient and cope with symptoms.

 

You may or may not have some benefit from the mirtazapine you're taking. I'd ask questions about that but you have not supplied the drug and withdrawal history in your signature as requested.

[Roserdl]

Mirtazapine for sleep works only at lower doses.  Anything above 7.5 doesn't really work.  I take 3.5 with melatonin and it greatly helped the sleep issue.  Maybe talk to a mid on how to taper the mirtazapine down to a level to help your insomnia.  

[Altostrata]

1 hour ago, Roserdl said:

Mirtazapine for sleep works only at lower doses.  Anything above 7.5 doesn't really work.  I take 3.5 with melatonin and it greatly helped the sleep issue.  Maybe talk to a mid on how to taper the mirtazapine down to a level to help your insomnia.  

 

Is that so? @Roserdl We have many people here who have taken doses far higher than 15mg mirtazapine for sleep. You might use site search in the Introductions forum to see for yourself.

 

[Mirtazapine20mg]

In support of @Altostrata's view: It is plenty sedating at 18 mg which is my current dosis. Also worked like a charm at 30 mg. My personal experience (N=1) is that Mirtazapine does have an activating effect at higher doses, but it is rather short lived (in my case 3 months-ish, but that is more than enough time for mania to develop) and after that you are left with same sedating effect once again. So in my case (again N=1) I am highly adaptable to the activating effect of Mirtazapine (albeit with a time lag), but not the sedating effect of Mirtazapine. That by the way would explain why I at the same time feel sedated and agitated during withdrawal. In the scientific litterature you do often find the Mirtlow: sedating>activating, MirtHigh: sedating<activating description, and if you 20 years ago made a short term study of me, say 8 weeks, that would be the result you would get.

[Roserdl]

7.5 to 15 mg typical for sleep. Its more sedating at lower doses.  Tons of literature on it. Some people find better sleep benefits do to this.  And multiple prescribed have told me the same thing.  I'm on phone or would provide links.  I get effects at 3.5.  Just offering up some information.  I wasn't trying to get into a big debate.  I hope you find some relief in any case. 

[Altostrata]

@LTurner how are you doing?