mario80 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 i am 2 years and 4 months mitrazpine off.I feel very bad i have still big anexity.Big pain in body in muscle.thingling in fingers in teeth.I sleep 4/5 hours .I feel very depressed and hronic tired.i have adhedonia too.I last time have windows before 6 months.Any advice what to do it ❤️? i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
mario80 Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) i was 7 years on mitrazpine.I am 2 years tapper,and 2 years and 4 months off mitrazpine.I feel very bad i am very tired big anexity.Big hiper sesnitive and big pain in body.Last windows was before 6 months.i am very tired and have adhedonia.Any help i try survive are have any advice?Any help ❤️.Have thingling in fingers in teeth too. Edited October 31, 2023 by Emonda Name to title i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
Administrator Emonda Posted October 31, 2023 Administrator Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Welcome to S.A. @mario80, So the moderators can best help you, please complete your drug signature by following these instructions. Adding a signature ensures your drug history appears at the bottom of every post, making it more efficient for those trying to assist. 6 hours ago, mario80 said: I feel very bad i am very tired big anexity.Big hiper sesnitive and big pain in body Sorry to hear things are tough at the moment. Has anything changed in your life? Is any new or increased stressor triggering you? Are you drinking alcohol? How's your caffeine intake? Have you tried counselling? I resisted it for years but finally gave it a go and actually found it helpful. We don't suggest many supplements, but two that many of us find helpful are magnesium and omega-3 fish oil. Here are the links for info about those. Add one at a time and start with a low dose to see how it affects you. Magnesium Omega 3 Fish Oil I'll be interested to see your drug signature and what the lowest dose was before you jumped off. Emonda Edited October 31, 2023 by Emonda Please don't send me PMs. I am not a doctor. My comments are based on my personal experience with ADs and tapering. Consult your doctor about your own medical decisions. 2017 – 2022: Vortioxetine 15mg, Jan ’22, 15mg->5mg over 4 weeks, Feb ‘22 5mg -> 7.5mg due to WD, July ’22 6.75mg (found SA website), Aug 6.07mg, Sep 5.46mg, 11 Oct 5.00mg, 18 Oct 4.88mg, 25 Oct 4.75mg, 1 Nov 4.63mg, 8 Nov 4.5mg, 3 Jan ’23 4.39mg, 10 Jan 4.28mg, 17 Jan 4.06mg, 13 Feb 3.95mg, 20 Mar 3.85mg, 3 Apr 3.75mg, 10 April 3.65mg, 31 May 3.58mg, 8 June 3.50mg, 15 June 3.43mg, 22 June 3.35mg, 12 Jul 3.29mg, 19 Jul 3.22mg, 26 Jul 3.15mg, 3 Aug 3.09mg, 30 Aug 3.02mg, 7 Sep 2.96mg, 14 Sep 2.89mg, 21 Sep 2.82mg, Oct 11 2.75mg, Oct 19 2.70mg, Oct 26 2.64mg, Nov 2 2.59mg, Nov 23 2.53mg, Nov 30 2.48mg, 7 Dec 2.43mg, 17 Dec 2.38mg, 19 Jan 2.33mg, 26 Jan 2.28mg, 2 Feb 2.24mg, 8 Feb 2.19mg, 29 Feb 2.15mg, 7 Mar 2.10mg, 14 Mar 2.06mg, 21 Mar 1.99mg, 10 Apr 1.95mg, 17 Apr 1.91mg, 24 Apr 1.87mg, 1 May 1.83mg, Link to comment
mario80 Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 i only feel better sexually energy better erection.Never have such erection on mitrazpine.But when i off mitrazpine i automatically start have thingling in teeth and fingers.Than i have big pain in body.after some period pain start be mucher smaller.Now i havr pain in hands and fingers.And many thingling teeth . i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
mario80 Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 i use fish oil pil triple strength with 1250 omega 3 and Epa 690 mg and 310 mg Dha this is per one capsule is this enough? i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
Administrator Emonda Posted October 31, 2023 Administrator Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, mario80 said: But when i off mitrazpine i automatically start have thingling in teeth and fingers. 4 hours ago, mario80 said: after some period pain start be mucher smaller.Now i havr pain in hands and fingers.And many thingling teeth . Hi @mario80, So you jumped from 3.75mg to 0mg in one step? That would lead to withdrawal symptoms (WD) exactly as you have described. Have a read of this WD symptom checklist. The approach used at S.A. is to taper by a maximum of 10% per month of the most recent dose to minimise WD. Why taper by 10% of my dosage? As to the dose at which you jump to zero, it varies from AD to AD. I've read some suggestions that the point to jump off is 2.5% of the original dose: 30mg * 2.5% = 0.75mg. Personally, I'll be going lower than that. I'll go as low as I can accurately measure. The cure for WD is time. I note you mention the pain is improving over time, and this is positive. Overall, would you say they have improved over the past two years? 5 hours ago, mario80 said: i use fish oil pil triple strength with 1250 omega 3 and Epa 690 mg and 310 mg Dha this is per one capsule is this enough? If you have a read of the link I gave you above, it mentions an amount to consider. If you take another look, you'll see it is more than what you are taking....but build up over time. Have a read of the magnesium link too. Hope this helps. Emonda Please don't send me PMs. I am not a doctor. My comments are based on my personal experience with ADs and tapering. Consult your doctor about your own medical decisions. 2017 – 2022: Vortioxetine 15mg, Jan ’22, 15mg->5mg over 4 weeks, Feb ‘22 5mg -> 7.5mg due to WD, July ’22 6.75mg (found SA website), Aug 6.07mg, Sep 5.46mg, 11 Oct 5.00mg, 18 Oct 4.88mg, 25 Oct 4.75mg, 1 Nov 4.63mg, 8 Nov 4.5mg, 3 Jan ’23 4.39mg, 10 Jan 4.28mg, 17 Jan 4.06mg, 13 Feb 3.95mg, 20 Mar 3.85mg, 3 Apr 3.75mg, 10 April 3.65mg, 31 May 3.58mg, 8 June 3.50mg, 15 June 3.43mg, 22 June 3.35mg, 12 Jul 3.29mg, 19 Jul 3.22mg, 26 Jul 3.15mg, 3 Aug 3.09mg, 30 Aug 3.02mg, 7 Sep 2.96mg, 14 Sep 2.89mg, 21 Sep 2.82mg, Oct 11 2.75mg, Oct 19 2.70mg, Oct 26 2.64mg, Nov 2 2.59mg, Nov 23 2.53mg, Nov 30 2.48mg, 7 Dec 2.43mg, 17 Dec 2.38mg, 19 Jan 2.33mg, 26 Jan 2.28mg, 2 Feb 2.24mg, 8 Feb 2.19mg, 29 Feb 2.15mg, 7 Mar 2.10mg, 14 Mar 2.06mg, 21 Mar 1.99mg, 10 Apr 1.95mg, 17 Apr 1.91mg, 24 Apr 1.87mg, 1 May 1.83mg, Link to comment
mario80 Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 my pain is improved.i was have period that i must be on bed all day.now i still have pain but center of pain is not such strong as before 2 years,in start i have extreme pain in my body.Now level of pain is much lower. i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
Administrator Emonda Posted October 31, 2023 Administrator Share Posted October 31, 2023 Sounds like there has been a noticeable improvement over time, as we'd expect. The following links have some information you may find beneficial: Windows and waves pattern of stabilization. non-drug coping strategies. ...time and continued patience. Please don't send me PMs. I am not a doctor. My comments are based on my personal experience with ADs and tapering. Consult your doctor about your own medical decisions. 2017 – 2022: Vortioxetine 15mg, Jan ’22, 15mg->5mg over 4 weeks, Feb ‘22 5mg -> 7.5mg due to WD, July ’22 6.75mg (found SA website), Aug 6.07mg, Sep 5.46mg, 11 Oct 5.00mg, 18 Oct 4.88mg, 25 Oct 4.75mg, 1 Nov 4.63mg, 8 Nov 4.5mg, 3 Jan ’23 4.39mg, 10 Jan 4.28mg, 17 Jan 4.06mg, 13 Feb 3.95mg, 20 Mar 3.85mg, 3 Apr 3.75mg, 10 April 3.65mg, 31 May 3.58mg, 8 June 3.50mg, 15 June 3.43mg, 22 June 3.35mg, 12 Jul 3.29mg, 19 Jul 3.22mg, 26 Jul 3.15mg, 3 Aug 3.09mg, 30 Aug 3.02mg, 7 Sep 2.96mg, 14 Sep 2.89mg, 21 Sep 2.82mg, Oct 11 2.75mg, Oct 19 2.70mg, Oct 26 2.64mg, Nov 2 2.59mg, Nov 23 2.53mg, Nov 30 2.48mg, 7 Dec 2.43mg, 17 Dec 2.38mg, 19 Jan 2.33mg, 26 Jan 2.28mg, 2 Feb 2.24mg, 8 Feb 2.19mg, 29 Feb 2.15mg, 7 Mar 2.10mg, 14 Mar 2.06mg, 21 Mar 1.99mg, 10 Apr 1.95mg, 17 Apr 1.91mg, 24 Apr 1.87mg, 1 May 1.83mg, Link to comment
mario80 Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 My level vitamin D is very low 25.3 .Any advice what supplements to use?Thx❤️ i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
mario80 Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 i am 2 years and 5 month off.I am very tired and havd pain in body.My main problem i am such big tired .How can i feel no such tired?Any experiance help ❤️? i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
mario80 Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share Posted December 30, 2023 i am off 2.5 years.After 2.5 years i received symptom as dizziness.I many time feel confused and lost.I have too headaces and tension in my head.Is this normal that after 2.5 years this symptom come.Plus i have thingling in hands finger and teeth.That thingling is from start off mitrazpine.Any experience any advice?Thx❤️ i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
checco Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 It seems that it is a very common thing for those who have taken mirtazepine to have these symptoms, I have had a 2 year break, I have the same symptoms you are complaining about and they are improving, not long ago I couldn't do nothing physical for fear of pain and if I did I had to stay in bed for a week. When one day I had done some physical effort and I was fine without any pain I was so happy that I was moved, as far as anxiety is concerned it improves with time, but it is not constant these improvements do and do come but with time the good moments become longer, perhaps they are a a little further on even though I've been out for 2 years because I stopped (at least the last time) slowly as this site recommends. Time helps, you have to try to avoid all unnecessary stress.Even when you are overwhelmed it is very difficult to think clearly. In the worst moments I try to stay alone and distract myself in some way. I have read many comments from people who have assumed mirtazepine who have those symptoms. I recently had periods where the adedonia disappeared, I managed to do things that I had been putting off for 10 years even though these days it's not going very well, I'm a a little off it will pass. I started very young taking psychotropic drugs with various suspensions and withdrawals mistaken for relapses, I don't know if this can affect what happens to me now. I can neither The drug nor the dose. 2013-2014 wellbutrin (I don't remember the dose) 2015-2016 brintellix 30 mg 2016-2017 sertraline 50 mg I stopped taking it and had a seizure which was mistaken for a flare of the disease replaced with mirtazapine in 2018 30mg at 10.30pm then stopped taking it because I was gaining weight Too september 2019 has november severe withdrawal symptoms anxiety i woke up shaking then found this site reverted to 3mg mirtazapine and within 15 minutes all symptoms vanished.After stabilizing for 4 months I began to reduce by 10% every 4 weeks manageable symptoms end of reduction 28 January 2022 Last dose of mirtazapine January 27 0.1 mg manageable symptoms until July 2023 where a wave caused by Stress made me incapacitated in bed. I take micro doses of lamictal 0.5mg for 4 days 0.7mg for 4 days 1.2 for 4 days 1.7 for 4 days the dose that seems to help is 2.2mg more than this starts to cause problems.Now down to 2mg Link to comment
mario80 Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share Posted December 30, 2023 i am very scared.Becouse i have tension migraines.Very hard headaches.I am big scared now. i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
checco Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I have never suffered from migraines you should go to a doctor who will give you something or have you do some tests if you are very worried it will help to reassure you always search on Google prescribed some medication that is not a psychotropic drug. I started very young taking psychotropic drugs with various suspensions and withdrawals mistaken for relapses, I don't know if this can affect what happens to me now. I can neither The drug nor the dose. 2013-2014 wellbutrin (I don't remember the dose) 2015-2016 brintellix 30 mg 2016-2017 sertraline 50 mg I stopped taking it and had a seizure which was mistaken for a flare of the disease replaced with mirtazapine in 2018 30mg at 10.30pm then stopped taking it because I was gaining weight Too september 2019 has november severe withdrawal symptoms anxiety i woke up shaking then found this site reverted to 3mg mirtazapine and within 15 minutes all symptoms vanished.After stabilizing for 4 months I began to reduce by 10% every 4 weeks manageable symptoms end of reduction 28 January 2022 Last dose of mirtazapine January 27 0.1 mg manageable symptoms until July 2023 where a wave caused by Stress made me incapacitated in bed. I take micro doses of lamictal 0.5mg for 4 days 0.7mg for 4 days 1.2 for 4 days 1.7 for 4 days the dose that seems to help is 2.2mg more than this starts to cause problems.Now down to 2mg Link to comment
mario80 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 Are anyone have problems with anhedonia?I am 2.7 year off mitrazpine now in very bad ahedonia .i feel soo bad soo tired soo big headache.Any advice what to do it ?😟 i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
Moderator Erimus Posted March 14 Moderator Share Posted March 14 On 2/5/2024 at 12:48 AM, mario80 said: Are anyone have problems with anhedonia?I am 2.7 year off mitrazpine now in very bad ahedonia .i feel soo bad soo tired soo big headache.Any advice what to do it ?😟 Keep going. Your brain is trying to find stability after 8 years of mirtazapine. Fatigue and headaches are very common with mirtazapine withdrawal due to how it acts on histamine receptors. Active Monday-Friday UK time MEDICATION: 1) Sertraline: 50mg - Oct 2020, 100mg - Dec 2020, 50mg - April 2021, 75mg - May 2021, 50mg - Sep 2021; Failed taper attempt (50 -> 49) - Jan 2024; Second attempt to start taper - 17 Feb 2024 Current dose: 48.9mg (Feb 2024) 2) Mirtazapine: 15mg - Nov 2020 SUPPLEMENTS: Cod liver oil, Magnesium, Vitamin C Link to comment
mario80 Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 when to feel better?I dont live life i am destroyed i havd fibromyalgia.I dont have feeling.I am soo depressed.When i will feel better?🙁 i was 8 years 30 mg mitrazpine.2 years taper 30/15/7.5/3.75.and 2 years 4 months off. i feel very bad.Big anexity and tired.I have big pain in body and pain in muscle. i am in depression and have adhedonia. Have thingling in teeth and fingers. i every day live i pain. i have no emotion. Link to comment
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