Wildflower0214 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 I have PM'd. Thx btdt 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 It seems to me that just the switch from solid to liquid is a cut in itself. Some drug probably stays in the container. And it is possibly absorbed faster, so out faster. So all in all, I usually spend a week at the same dose when switching. How did you measure out 24 ml? When I used a cylinder, I learned the calibration was not the same for the syringe and the cylinder (1 ml in cylinder did not equal 1mL in syringe) me, it seems to work best for me to measure the water with the syringe I will use to measure the dose. But I think we all do it a bit differently. The key is to do it the same way each time. 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Yes, but the reason I am cutting is because of a paradoxical reaction, and the last cut was a relief! So a cut would not feel this way I don't believe. I measured the 50ml with a graduated cylinder. But I think you are right to use a syringe for everything. I may have to try that again. I don't know what to do now though. I just put the .50mg in 50ml My dose is 24ml, but I don't seperate it, becasue that is more manipulation and room for error. I just pulled my one 4ml dose from the 50ml I think the cylinder was the problem 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Meimeiquest Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 The other thing I have found is that when you combine the water with the drug, somehow it equals a volume a little less than the original volume. I think there is a principle of physics that explains it, but I have forgotten it. The other thing I have found is that when one is "wonky" on a drug, the response to cuts can vary a lot. A mod or someone else may have better ideas, though. In the absence of a better answer, I would just hold course for now, doing exactly tonight what you did last night. I so hope things settle soon! 1st round Prozac 1989/90, clear depression symptoms. 2nd round Prozac started 1999 when admitted to dr. I was tired. Prozac pooped out, switch to Cymbalta 3/2006. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to mania 6/2006--then I was taken abruptly off Cymbalta and didn't know I had SSRI withdrawal. Lots of meds for my intractable "bipolar" symptoms. Zyprexa started about 9/06, mostly 5mg. Tapered 4/12 through12/29/12 Wellbutrin. XL 300 mg started 1/07, tapered 1/18/13 through 7/8/13 Oxazepam mostly continuously since 6/06, 30mg since 12/12, tapered 1.17.14 through 8.26.15 11/06 Lithium 600mg twice daily, 2.2.14 400mg TID DIY liquid, 2.12.14 1150mg, 3.2.14 1100mg, 3.18.14 1075mg, 4/14 updose to 1100mg, 6.1.14 900 mg capsules 7.8.14 810mg, 8.17.14 725mg, 8.24.24 700mg...10.22.14 487.5mg, 3.9.15 475mg, 4.1.15 462.5mg 4.21.15 450mg 8.11.15 375mg, 11.28.15 362.5mg, back to 375mg four days later, 3.4.16 updose to 475 (too much going on to risk trouble) 9/4/13 Toprol-XL 25mg daily for sudden hypertension, tapered 11.12.13 through 5.3.14, last 10 days or so switched to atenolol 7.4.14 Started Walsh Protocol 56 years old Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Ok I need help!!!! I don't feel good. I feel speedy but in a different way. I'm having hot flashes and cold flashes. I feel awful!!!! And my sleep is now off again and it has been solid since my 4% decrease 4 weeks ago. Since my resuction then, I have seen nothing but improvement. So I am confused. I only switched one dose to water. My 6pm dose. I dose at 4am, 7:30am, 11am, 2:30pm, 6pm, and 9:30pm. When I used the cylinder, I looked for the meniscus, and couldn't find one. The water line looked like it had two lines, one on top of the other. I used the bottom line to measure...so it DID look like there was a bit more than 50ml, but I wasn't sure what to do. I used 50ml for a .50mg tab My dose is .24mg = 24ml 24ml divided by 6 = 4ml per dose. So my 6pm dose was 4ml. I don't know what is happening, but I just dosed down 4% with capsules 4 weeks ago and have improved a lot since the dose down. The reduction has brought nothing but positive results. What is happening????? MOD HELP PLEASE!! Do I stay put with the one dose liquid or go back to the capsule? 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Frustrated Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Wish I could share words of wisdom but I don't have any. Sorry you are having such trouble. I pray for you lots. 2002-put on amitryptiline for fibromyalgia. 10mg.2004-stopped abruptly. Didn't think it helped.2006 approx.-put on Paxil for mild anxiety 20 mg.2007 upped to 40 mg. not sure why.2011- tapered from 40 to 10. went nuts and went back to 20mg2014- tapered from 20mg to 0 from April to The end of June.current meds- Metformin(type 2 diabetic) and low dose aspirin.Take multi vitamin and vit b12, vit. D and magnesium. 5 months off Paxil. Still suffering.recently added 1.2mg of Paxil to alleviate withdrawals.(Nov 30)Dropped to .9mg because having symptoms from reinstatement.(dec 23)<p>taper to .76mg-.8mg (Feb 3) approx. weight .010 to about .008-.009 on scale..6mg (march 19th.) .5mg(April 19th).4mg(April 27th).2 (June 27th) 0mg. done taper at beginning of August. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Thx Frustrated. I have no idea what to do. Thx for the prayers. I pray for you too. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
westcoast Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I had the hot and cold flashes while coming off Effexor. The cold flashes are very difficult. I had never heard of them. Just had them. And now you are, too. I hope and pray they will abate for you as they did for me. I was basically a self-prisoner in my bedroom with a big space heater with a thermostat--the room was always the same temp. But I would feel freezing cold at times. I took to wearing a hat and gloves and staying in bed under the covers. 2009: Cancer hospital said I had adjustment disorder because I thought they were doing it wrong. Their headshrinker prescribed Effexor, and my life set on a new course. I didn't know what was ahead, like a passenger on Disneyland's Matterhorn, smiling and waving as it climbs...clink, clink, clink. 2010: Post surgical accidental Effexor discontinuation by nurses, masked by intravenous Dilaudid. (The car is balanced at the top of the track.) I get home, pop a Vicodin, and ... Whooosh...down, down, down, down, down...goes the trajectory of my life, up goes my mood and tendency to think everything is a good idea.2012: After the bipolar jig was up, now a walking bag of unrelated symptoms, I went crazy on Daytrana (the Ritalin skin patch by Noven), because ADHD was a perfect fit for a bag of unrelated symptoms. I was prescribed Effexor for the nervousness of it, and things got neurological. An EEG showed enough activity to warrant an epilepsy diagnosis rather than non-epileptic ("psychogenic") seizures. 2013-2014: Quit everything and got worse. I probably went through DAWS: dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I drank to not feel, but I felt a lot: dread, fear, regret, grief: an utter sense of total loss of everything worth breathing about, for almost two years. I was not suicidal but I wanted to be dead, at least dead to the experience of my own brain and body. 2015: I began to recover after adding virgin coconut oil and organic grass-fed fed butter to a cup of instant coffee in the morning. I did it hoping for mental acuity and better memory. After ten days of that, I was much better, mood-wise. Approximately neutral. And, I experienced drowsiness. I could sleep. Not exactly happy, I did 30 days on Wellbutrin, because it had done me no harm in the past. I don't have the DAWS mood or state of mind. It never feel like doing anything if it means standing up. In fact, I don't especially like moving. I'm a brain with a beanbag body. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Well, I'm back to speedy, nearly what it was before I made a 4% cut. Full of rage and wanting to scream. I took the capsule at 6pm tonight, as I had no idea what to do 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
luv2knit Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Sorry you're having problems, JDM. I have no advice, but my thoughts and prayers are with you. Zoloft 100 mg. daily for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since Oct. 1994 / Synthroid 88 mcg. daily / Supplements: Neptune Krill Oil-1,000 mg. twice daily/Astaxanthin 10 mg. twice daily/Ubiquinol 100 mg. twice daily (These 3 have allowed me to discontinue (approved by doctor) bp meds I was on. Calcium Citrate 500 mg. daily/Vitamin D3 2,400 iu daily/K2 (MK7) 100 mcg daily (osteopenia and fam. hist. of severe osteoporosis). Stress B Complex (1/2 dose)/Quercetin (for allergies/asthma)/Magnesium (400 mg. oral glycinate and about 50 mg. magnesium chloride spray oil a day, divided throughout day). Tapered Zoloft about 6 wks. Totally off since the end of July (25-29, 2014). 3 wks. vertigo at end of taper, then 3-4 wks. OK, followed by withdrawal symptoms increasing in severity (nausea, gastric disturbances, loss of appetite, insomnia, restlessness, jitters, anxiety, agitation--jumping out of my skin--possible akathisia?) Seem to have paradoxical reactions to everything new, even Vitamin C. Severity of akathisia comes and goes, but is constant to some degree. Hard to leave house, and cannot be home alone. (Retired) Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 I'm losing my faith. I'm trying to hold on but it feels as if it is slipping through my fingers 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Skylarblue75 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 JDM, thank you for your support, god I know what your going through with the benzo crap, unfortunately I didn't get to taper. I got switched around in my 4 months on benzos between Ativan and Klonopin. And during 3 of my hospitalizations they were giving me .75mgs of klonopin three times a day with 1 mg Ativan as needed. I figured out during one hospitalization I was given the equivalent of 80mgs of Valium and then being discharged on .5 mgs twice a day of klonopin or 1 mg of Ativan three times a day. The benzos went paradoxical me fast, I was having anxiety and panic attacks while taking them. Wanted to start abusing them. So not me because I hate drugs. And I was taking up to 10mgs Ambien daily to boot. So basically I was rapidly detox in 5 days time off both and other drugs and slapped back on 4 other meds. My Brain is fried. You might want to switch over to liquid Valium, have you looked into prof Ashton's work? I was a member on benzobuddies but found out too late. I don't know if the Valium titration will work, it does for some and not for others. Not telling you to do anything just a suggestion. I don't want any of the mods think I'm giving you the wrong info or advising you on how to manage your meds. Hang tight, praying for you Spring of 1998 place on birth control pills for irregular bleeding, high testosterone and one ovarian cyst, stayed on until April 2004, told to take hormone holiday, conceived first son 4 months later-VERY BIG SUPRISE, was told wouldn't be able to have childern or would need reproductive doctor to help. Got pregnant again 2006 with second son easily, then was on/off birthcontrol again until October 2011, concieved 3rd son in October 2011(tried many times to get pregant again when 2nd child was close to 2yrs, hormone problems started again after 2nd child, along with thyroid enlargement. Spring of 2001 celexa 10 mgs-rx'd by pcp for complaints of chronic fatigue, irritability and weight gain, stayed on until June 2005, switched to Lexapro 20mgs for PPD, stayed on Lexapro 6-7 months, couldn't afford to see psyh dr. and Lexapro, saw PCP switched back to 20mgs celexa in 2007, remained on until November 2011, was c/t off due to 3rd pregnancy, baby had umbilical cord defect, seemed ok during pregnancy, except for crying jags here and there. Our miracle baby was born July 20th 2012, healthy except with reflux. One month later the anxiety,restlessness,horrible crying, insomnia and the deepest depression ever. That started the psyh drug nightmare-benzo's,antidepressants, sleeping pills, mood stablizers. Nothing help made me worse, doctors just kept changing the meds frequently. 4 mental health hospitalizations, rapid detox off benzos Jan 2013, horrible withdrawal and still suffering withdrawal symptoms NO ONE BELIEVES ME, I feel like ive been on one consistant drug withdrawal for the past 2 years January 2014 slow titrate up of lexapro to 20 mgs-horrible side effects!!, was just rapidly taper by current pysh off to pursade me to try an MAOI-no way!!! Was told should consider ECT Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus WiggleIt Posted January 21, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 21, 2015 JDM, I pray that a mod will be by soon to advise you. In the meantime, I will be praying that you stabilize soon. Holding you in my heart. *I'm not a doctor and don't give medical advice, just personal experience **Off all meds since Nov. 2014. Mentally & emotionally recovered; physically not-Dual cold turkeys off TCA & Ativan in Oct 2014. Prescribed from 2011-2014 -All meds were Rxed off-label for an autoimmune illness. It was a MISDIAGNOSIS, but I did not find out until AFTER meds caused damage. All med tapers/cold turkeys directed by doctors -Nortriptyline May 2012 - Dec 2013. Cold turkey off nortrip & cold switched to desipramine -Desipramine Jan 2014 - Oct. 29, 2014 (rapid taper/cold turkey) -Lorazepam 1 mg per night during 2011 -Lorazepam 1 mg per month in 2012 (or less) -Lorazepam on & off, Dec 2013 through Aug 2014. Didn't exceed 3x a week -Lorazepam again in Oct. 2014 to help get off of desipramine. Last dose lzpam was 1 mg, Nov. 2, 2014. Immediate paradoxical reactions to benzos after stopping TCAs -First muscle/dystonia side effects started on nortriptyline, but docs too stupid to figure it out. On desipramine, muscle tremors & rigidity worsened -Two weeks after I got off all meds, I developed full-blown TD. Tardive dystonia, dyskinesia, myoclonic jerks ALL over body, ribcage wiggles, facial tics, twitching tongue & fingers, tremors/twitches of arms, legs, cognitive impairment, throat muscles semi-paralyzed & unable to swallow solid food, brain zaps, ears ring, dizzy, everything looks too far away, insomnia, numbness & electric shocks everywhere when I try to fall asleep, jerk awake from sleep with big, gasping breaths, wake with terrors & tremors, severely depressed. NO HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, EVER. Meds CREATED it. -Month 7: hair falling out; no vision improvement; still tardive dystonia; facial & tongue tics returned -Month 8: back to acute, incl. Grand Mal seizure-like episodes. New mental torment, PGAD, worse insomnia -Month 9: tardive dystonia worse, dyskinesia returned. Unable to breathe well due to dystonia in stomach, chest, throat -Month 13: Back to acute, brain zaps back, developed eczema & stomach problems. Left leg no longer works right due to dystonia, meaning both legs now damaged -7 years off: Huge improvements, incl. improved dystonia Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 Skyler, I think I'm too unstable to do Valium. I think that ship has sailed. And the liquid part of this is not working well for me. I tried it yesterday, only switched one dose! And it did not go well!!! Hang tight Skyler!! You will survive!! Praying for u as well. xo Wiggle, Thank you! I am very scared. I need the prayer. Praying for you as well. I really hope the dr you see can help you. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
btdt Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I don't know a thing about this really not personally but I have read about people using a scale ...would that be better option? Maybe ask somebody who know like a mod. I hope things settle for you soon. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 Thank you! I will look into it. I've gotta figure this out. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
btdt Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I have read about other people using a scale and even filing pills down to get the right amount...I am sure it must be on here maybe in the tapering thread. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I found it http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1596-using-a-digital-scale-to-measure-doses/ WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted January 21, 2015 Administrator Share Posted January 21, 2015 So... Going today to get a graduated cylinder for liquid switch to Ativan. I'm gonna switch one dose a day to liquid. JDM, there is no reason to take all the doses in liquid. You could take just one in liquid and see how it goes. It seems to me that just the switch from solid to liquid is a cut in itself. Some drug probably stays in the container. And it is possibly absorbed faster, so out faster. So all in all, I usually spend a week at the same dose when switching. How did you measure out 24 ml? When I used a cylinder, I learned the calibration was not the same for the syringe and the cylinder (1 ml in cylinder did not equal 1mL in syringe) me, it seems to work best for me to measure the water with the syringe I will use to measure the dose. But I think we all do it a bit differently. The key is to do it the same way each time. This could be true. When you switch from solid to liquid, there is going to be some small variation in milligrams somewhere. For example, the graduated cylinder may be calibrated a little differently. As meimei said, you need to mix it through the same steps and the same measuring techniques each time. An oral syringe is not likely to be more accurate than a graduated cylinder; there's going to be a little difference in the measurement of the liquid each time you fill it. Over several fill-ups, this can add up. A liquid form of the the drug will be absorbed faster via your mouth and throat as it goes down. This can make a difference in your reaction. Are you still taking .24mg Ativan total? Did your reaction settle down any? It may take several days for your system to get used to the new dosing. Suggestion re your medical debts: Contact each of your creditors and tell them you cannot pay right now, you will pay as soon as you can. Medical creditors, particularly hospitals, are accustomed to writing off debts. This is probably going on a lot in your state. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 So... Going today to get a graduated cylinder for liquid switch to Ativan. I'm gonna switch one dose a day to liquid. JDM, there is no reason to take all the doses in liquid. You could take just one in liquid and see how it goes. >>yes, I only switched one dose. It didn't go well. It seems to me that just the switch from solid to liquid is a cut in itself. Some drug probably stays in the container. And it is possibly absorbed faster, so out faster. So all in all, I usually spend a week at the same dose when switching. How did you measure out 24 ml? When I used a cylinder, I learned the calibration was not the same for the syringe and the cylinder (1 ml in cylinder did not equal 1mL in syringe) me, it seems to work best for me to measure the water with the syringe I will use to measure the dose. But I think we all do it a bit differently. The key is to do it the same way each time. This could be true. When you switch from solid to liquid, there is going to be some small variation in milligrams somewhere. For example, the graduated cylinder may be calibrated a little differently. As meimei said, you need to mix it through the same steps and the same measuring techniques each time. An oral syringe is not likely to be more accurate than a graduated cylinder; there's going to be a little difference in the measurement of the liquid each time you fill it. Over several fill-ups, this can add up. A liquid form of the the drug will be absorbed faster via your mouth and throat as it goes down. This can make a difference in your reaction. Are you still taking .24mg Ativan total? Did your reaction settle down any? It may take several days for your system to get used to the new dosing. >> yes, on .24mg Ativan total dosed in .04mg capsules 6 times a day. >>No, I don't feel better. I still feel speedy and crazy in general. I feel like I did BEFORE I made the 4% cut 4 weeks ago. >> I reverted the 6pm dose I had the liquid trial with back to capsule today. I didn't want to feel worse. So, hopefully I stabalize again on this dose. I may just have to have compounded capsules. I don't know how small they can make them though as I taper. I'm on a low dose divided by 6 doses, so it gets miniscule pretty quickly. Suggestion re your medical debts: Contact each of your creditors and tell them you cannot pay right now, you will pay as soon as you can. Medical creditors, particularly hospitals, are accustomed to writing off debts. This is probably going on a lot in your state. >>ok, I will look into that! Thank you. It's been a huge burden not having any insurance and being disabled. I barely have an income. Thanks for the advice. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 I found it http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1596-using-a-digital-scale-to-measure-doses/ Thank you!! I will look at it. I'm manic and scared right now. I hate this feeling. It is awful. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
btdt Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 It could be the same with a scale I can't say was just an idea. When other people go down in dose it can make them feel bad for awhile that I have seen they try to distract themselves and wait it out I am not sure about any of this as I did not taper. Prayers headed your way. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 It could be the same with a scale I can't say was just an idea. When other people go down in dose it can make them feel bad for awhile that I have seen they try to distract themselves and wait it out I am not sure about any of this as I did not taper. Prayers headed your way. peace Thank you. I get scared when I feel like this. The liquid dose was very strange feeling. When I dosed down last time four weeks ago. It was fine. And I have been actually stable..in a less miserable sort of way for almost two weeks. That is a record for me so far. But it's all screwed up now. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 To make matters worse. I think I missed a dose yesterday. I have such bad cog fog I can't remember. I asked my Mom to help me, but she's pretty useless. She never has had a good memory. So I dont know what I'm in for in the next few days and I'm already a manic raging mess 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
luv2knit Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hang in there, JDM. Praying some of the info. provided will be of help to you. Zoloft 100 mg. daily for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since Oct. 1994 / Synthroid 88 mcg. daily / Supplements: Neptune Krill Oil-1,000 mg. twice daily/Astaxanthin 10 mg. twice daily/Ubiquinol 100 mg. twice daily (These 3 have allowed me to discontinue (approved by doctor) bp meds I was on. Calcium Citrate 500 mg. daily/Vitamin D3 2,400 iu daily/K2 (MK7) 100 mcg daily (osteopenia and fam. hist. of severe osteoporosis). Stress B Complex (1/2 dose)/Quercetin (for allergies/asthma)/Magnesium (400 mg. oral glycinate and about 50 mg. magnesium chloride spray oil a day, divided throughout day). Tapered Zoloft about 6 wks. Totally off since the end of July (25-29, 2014). 3 wks. vertigo at end of taper, then 3-4 wks. OK, followed by withdrawal symptoms increasing in severity (nausea, gastric disturbances, loss of appetite, insomnia, restlessness, jitters, anxiety, agitation--jumping out of my skin--possible akathisia?) Seem to have paradoxical reactions to everything new, even Vitamin C. Severity of akathisia comes and goes, but is constant to some degree. Hard to leave house, and cannot be home alone. (Retired) Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 You know, I was under the impression liquid is the only way to get off... Well come to find out they can continue to compound my med even to miniscule amounts. And many people get off meds with compounding capsules and no liquid ever. Info that would have been useful earlier.... Very very very poor idea for me to switch to liquid at any point when I was already doing ok on capsule...why in the world...? I have no idea. Unbelievably poor idea. Nothing else to say. I'm beyond words. I was actually stable for once since last Spring...well, not anymore. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
btdt Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 All the different ways to taper should be on the Taper thread here. I have never done it but know others have finding a person with the same drug to taper maybe useful. Maybe. I hope you get back to stabilized soon peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Skylarblue75 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hi JDM, how are you feeling today, what's the news on your tapering plan? Spring of 1998 place on birth control pills for irregular bleeding, high testosterone and one ovarian cyst, stayed on until April 2004, told to take hormone holiday, conceived first son 4 months later-VERY BIG SUPRISE, was told wouldn't be able to have childern or would need reproductive doctor to help. Got pregnant again 2006 with second son easily, then was on/off birthcontrol again until October 2011, concieved 3rd son in October 2011(tried many times to get pregant again when 2nd child was close to 2yrs, hormone problems started again after 2nd child, along with thyroid enlargement. Spring of 2001 celexa 10 mgs-rx'd by pcp for complaints of chronic fatigue, irritability and weight gain, stayed on until June 2005, switched to Lexapro 20mgs for PPD, stayed on Lexapro 6-7 months, couldn't afford to see psyh dr. and Lexapro, saw PCP switched back to 20mgs celexa in 2007, remained on until November 2011, was c/t off due to 3rd pregnancy, baby had umbilical cord defect, seemed ok during pregnancy, except for crying jags here and there. Our miracle baby was born July 20th 2012, healthy except with reflux. One month later the anxiety,restlessness,horrible crying, insomnia and the deepest depression ever. That started the psyh drug nightmare-benzo's,antidepressants, sleeping pills, mood stablizers. Nothing help made me worse, doctors just kept changing the meds frequently. 4 mental health hospitalizations, rapid detox off benzos Jan 2013, horrible withdrawal and still suffering withdrawal symptoms NO ONE BELIEVES ME, I feel like ive been on one consistant drug withdrawal for the past 2 years January 2014 slow titrate up of lexapro to 20 mgs-horrible side effects!!, was just rapidly taper by current pysh off to pursade me to try an MAOI-no way!!! Was told should consider ECT Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hi JDM, how are you feeling today, what's the news on your tapering plan? I feel awful. I went back to capsules. And I am using them to taper. I feel AWFUL! And this was so unbelievably AVOIDABLE!! Thx for checking on me. I am extremely angry right now. I'm sorry. I hope u are surviving. I will check on you on your thread...really hope we all get some relief soon. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 I don't think I've been this pissed in over a year, and that is saying a lot. There are no words. I have no words. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
direstraits Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 sorry you're suffering so much-hope you get relief soon thanks for visiting my thread-this sure is one hellish experience went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 You know, I was under the impression liquid is the only way to get off... Well come to find out they can continue to compound my med even to miniscule amounts. And many people get off meds with compounding capsules and no liquid ever. Info that would have been useful earlier.... Very very very poor idea for me to switch to liquid at any point when I was already doing ok on capsule...why in the world...? I have no idea. Unbelievably poor idea. Nothing else to say. I'm beyond words. I was actually stable for once since last Spring...well, not anymore. You know I'm right there with you. Blessedly, you got a reaction immediately so that you could make an immediate adjustment. I rue my decision to do liquid too. It can really affect the delicate balance that our brains are trying to find. Your quick move back to the capsule should help you to pull out of this soon. I'm so sorry that this scared you. BELIEVE ME, I know. The compounding pharmacy sounds like a good idea if they can make capsules small enough. I told my husband about that, and he's thinking that one over. Trouble with me is that ANY change right now sends me into the abyss so will have to stay on the liquid that I'm on and pray that I can stabilize at some time in the future. Am praying, praying, praying. 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 You know, I was under the impression liquid is the only way to get off... Well come to find out they can continue to compound my med even to miniscule amounts. And many people get off meds with compounding capsules and no liquid ever. Info that would have been useful earlier.... Very very very poor idea for me to switch to liquid at any point when I was already doing ok on capsule...why in the world...? I have no idea. Unbelievably poor idea. Nothing else to say. I'm beyond words. I was actually stable for once since last Spring...well, not anymore. You know I'm right there with you. Blessedly, you got a reaction immediately so that you could make an immediate adjustment. I rue my decision to do liquid too. It can really affect the delicate balance that our brains are trying to find. Your quick move back to the capsule should help you to pull out of this soon. I'm so sorry that this scared you. BELIEVE ME, I know. The compounding pharmacy sounds like a good idea if they can make capsules small enough. I told my husband about that, and he's thinking that one over. Trouble with me is that ANY change right now sends me into the abyss so will have to stay on the liquid that I'm on and pray that I can stabilize at some time in the future. Am praying, praying, praying.I know you had a hard time with the liquid.Well they can make them very very small. I'm. On .24 mg and it is split in 6 daily doses of .04mg. And they can make it as small as you need. It is a bit expensive for me to have them split into 6 doses. But for you, depending on how many doses you have in a day, it might not be. Plus, for me it is worth it. I wish I would have known better! I was under the impression that if I was going to taper, I had to switch. NOT SO!!!! Again info I needed two days ago. But, I pray for you too! I hope you feel better. My system is really off too.I started a wave from a tablespoon of mustard! So, I'm with ya. Praying! Xo 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 You know, I was under the impression liquid is the only way to get off... Well come to find out they can continue to compound my med even to miniscule amounts. And many people get off meds with compounding capsules and no liquid ever. Info that would have been useful earlier.... Very very very poor idea for me to switch to liquid at any point when I was already doing ok on capsule...why in the world...? I have no idea. Unbelievably poor idea. Nothing else to say. I'm beyond words. I was actually stable for once since last Spring...well, not anymore. You know I'm right there with you. Blessedly, you got a reaction immediately so that you could make an immediate adjustment. I rue my decision to do liquid too. It can really affect the delicate balance that our brains are trying to find. Your quick move back to the capsule should help you to pull out of this soon. I'm so sorry that this scared you. BELIEVE ME, I know. The compounding pharmacy sounds like a good idea if they can make capsules small enough. I told my husband about that, and he's thinking that one over. Trouble with me is that ANY change right now sends me into the abyss so will have to stay on the liquid that I'm on and pray that I can stabilize at some time in the future. Am praying, praying, praying.I know you had a hard time with the liquid.Well they can make them very very small. I'm. On .24 mg and it is split in 6 daily doses of .04mg. And they can make it as small as you need. It is a bit expensive for me to have them split into 6 doses. But for you, depending on how many doses you have in a day, it might not be. Plus, for me it is worth it. I wish I would have known better! I was under the impression that if I was going to taper, I had to switch. NOT SO!!!! Again info I needed two days ago. But, I pray for you too! I hope you feel better. My system is really off too. I started a wave from a tablespoon of mustard! So, I'm with ya. Praying! Xo 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Skyler Posted January 22, 2015 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 22, 2015 You know, I was under the impression liquid is the only way to get off... Well come to find out they can continue to compound my med even to miniscule amounts. And many people get off meds with compounding capsules and no liquid ever. Info that would have been useful earlier.... Very very very poor idea for me to switch to liquid at any point when I was already doing ok on capsule...why in the world...? I have no idea. Unbelievably poor idea. Nothing else to say. I'm beyond words. I was actually stable for once since last Spring...well, not anymore. You know I'm right there with you. Blessedly, you got a reaction immediately so that you could make an immediate adjustment. I rue my decision to do liquid too. It can really affect the delicate balance that our brains are trying to find. Your quick move back to the capsule should help you to pull out of this soon. I'm so sorry that this scared you. BELIEVE ME, I know. The compounding pharmacy sounds like a good idea if they can make capsules small enough. I told my husband about that, and he's thinking that one over. Trouble with me is that ANY change right now sends me into the abyss so will have to stay on the liquid that I'm on and pray that I can stabilize at some time in the future. Am praying, praying, praying.I know you had a hard time with the liquid.Well they can make them very very small. I'm. On .24 mg and it is split in 6 daily doses of .04mg. And they can make it as small as you need. It is a bit expensive for me to have them split into 6 doses. But for you, depending on how many doses you have in a day, it might not be. Plus, for me it is worth it. I wish I would have known better! I was under the impression that if I was going to taper, I had to switch. NOT SO!!!! Again info I needed two days ago. But, I pray for you too! I hope you feel better. My system is really off too. I started a wave from a tablespoon of mustard! So, I'm with ya. Praying! Xo Not to rain on any parades... but I did mention you could have a compounding pharmacy make up the amounts you need to taper with pills, but the expense would be something you need to consider. The other issue is the doc needs to make out a script for all the graduated reductions you would need the compounding pharmacy to make up for tapering. or at least I think so. As always, LISTEN TO YOUR BODY! A proud supporter of the 10% (or slower) rule. Requip - 3/16 ZERO Total time on 25 years. Lyrica: 8/15 ZERO Total time on 7 or 8 yrs.BENZO FREE 10/13 (started tapering 7/10) Total time on 25 years. Read my intro thread here, and check the about me section. "No matter how cynical you get, it's almost impossible to keep up." Lily Tomlin Link to comment
Wildflower0214 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 You know, I was under the impression liquid is the only way to get off... Well come to find out they can continue to compound my med even to miniscule amounts. And many people get off meds with compounding capsules and no liquid ever. Info that would have been useful earlier.... Very very very poor idea for me to switch to liquid at any point when I was already doing ok on capsule...why in the world...? I have no idea. Unbelievably poor idea. Nothing else to say. I'm beyond words. I was actually stable for once since last Spring...well, not anymore. You know I'm right there with you. Blessedly, you got a reaction immediately so that you could make an immediate adjustment. I rue my decision to do liquid too. It can really affect the delicate balance that our brains are trying to find. Your quick move back to the capsule should help you to pull out of this soon. I'm so sorry that this scared you. BELIEVE ME, I know. The compounding pharmacy sounds like a good idea if they can make capsules small enough. I told my husband about that, and he's thinking that one over. Trouble with me is that ANY change right now sends me into the abyss so will have to stay on the liquid that I'm on and pray that I can stabilize at some time in the future. Am praying, praying, praying.I know you had a hard time with the liquid.Well they can make them very very small. I'm. On .24 mg and it is split in 6 daily doses of .04mg. And they can make it as small as you need. It is a bit expensive for me to have them split into 6 doses. But for you, depending on how many doses you have in a day, it might not be. Plus, for me it is worth it. I wish I would have known better! I was under the impression that if I was going to taper, I had to switch. NOT SO!!!! Again info I needed two days ago. But, I pray for you too! I hope you feel better. My system is really off too. I started a wave from a tablespoon of mustard! So, I'm with ya. Praying! Xo Not to rain on any parades... but I did mention you could have a compounding pharmacy make up the amounts you need to taper with pills, but the expense would be something you need to consider. The other issue is the doc needs to make out a script for all the graduated reductions you would need the compounding pharmacy to make up for tapering. or at least I think so. Ya, that's the part that is bothersome, having to deal with a dr. I just thought it was pretty standard that most people use liquid...and it probably is. I had never seen an example of anyone using capsules to taper a benzo. I had heard of people using them to split up daily doses, but not to taper. I'm sure people do it, probably just not as often because of the hassle with the doctor. And my experience with a jerk at the compounding pharamcy led me to believe it was a huge hassle for him to make doses that small. He may not want to, but he can. Lesson learned. 2005-Zoloft bad reaction.....2006-Lexepro......2012-Upped Lexepro.......2013-Upped Lexepro......2/2014- Attempted Taper Lexepro...2/2014- Updosed Lexepro.......3/2014-Ativan.....5/2014- CT switch from Lexpro to Effexor..... 5/2014-7/2014-Tapered Ativan from 1mg to .25mg.....6/2014-Bad reaction to Effexor........7/2014- Rapid taper Effexor every other day......7/5/2014- Off Effexor.......7/2014-12/2014 - Ativan .25mg.......12/25/2014 -Taper Ativan by 4% due to paradoxical reaction .24mg...11/18/2015-Taper Ativan 1% CURRENTLY ON: .2376mg Ativan taken in 6 .0396mg doses. Link to comment
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