Moderator Go2zero Posted October 14, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted October 14, 2021 @Altostrata @arbor @Carmie Thank you all for you loving words and support. That really means something to me! 🙏 I was at the dentist and things look quite OK. However it is not completely clear what the problem is... He could not find a real clear cause.... The inflammation seems to be healing by itself already. The dentist said: "let the body do the work". So no antibiotics for now. And hopefully not at all. I will see how it develops and I will go to the dentist again in 11 days for a check. I feel a bit better already. Unfortunately it all comes together with a wave. But maybe it is even caused by the wave. Since I feel my whole immune system is a bit struggling. I have had that before in waves. Some sudden skin problems (fungus and eczema), light colds and maybe now extra sensitive for an inflammation near my teeth.... 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted October 14, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted October 14, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:30 AM, Carmie said: On a different subject, do you know what acupuncture points your acupuncturist is using on you? She is using a very specific method. Until now she only put 2 - 4 needles around the navel. She explained me that this is a advanced and modern way of acupuncture. She says that this Navel Acupuncture is more effective and efficient than the traditional technique. I just can say that the results are great. I did normal acupuncture before with several acupuncturists and this method really makes the difference.. As soon as she put the 1st needle I feel the (positive) effects of it. 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted October 14, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted October 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Go2zero said: @Altostrata @arbor @Carmie Thank you all for you loving words and support. That really means something to me! 🙏 I was at the dentist and things look quite OK. However it is not completely clear what the problem is... He could not find a real clear cause.... The inflammation seems to be healing by itself already. The dentist said: "let the body do the work". So no antibiotics for now. And hopefully not at all. I will see how it develops and I will go to the dentist again in 11 days for a check. I feel a bit better already. Unfortunately it all comes together with a wave. But maybe it is even caused by the wave. Since I feel my whole immune system is a bit struggling. I have had that before in waves. Some sudden skin problems (fungus and eczema), light colds and maybe now extra sensitive for an inflammation near my teeth.... I’m so glad to hear that everything went well at the dentist Go2zero, I’m sorry to hear you’re in a wave, I hope you stabilise soon. I’m glad you don’t have to take antibiotics for now. Have you tried taking some coconut oil? It’s antiviral, antifungal and antibacterial. I wonder if it might help with the fungal skin condition and hindering the colds a little? It might also be of benefit with your dental problems. I’ve used it with success even on ear infections. Are you on an anti-candida diet for the fungal problem? 6 hours ago, Go2zero said: She is using a very specific method. Until now she only put 2 - 4 needles around the navel. She explained me that this is a advanced and modern way of acupuncture. She says that this Navel Acupuncture is more effective and efficient than the traditional technique. I just can say that the results are great. I did normal acupuncture before with several acupuncturists and this method really makes the difference.. As soon as she put the 1st needle I feel the (positive) effects of it. She sounds great Go2zero, I’m glad she’s able to help you. I’ve never heard of navel acupuncture, I’ll have to check it out. Have a happy day Go2zero🧡 Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️ 2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted December 21, 2021 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) Hey there Go2zero, How are you doing? Oh so hoping you've had some windows by now, and just got busy with life things. Do check in when you can here. Otherwise.....I worry a little and wonder. I'm missing your detailed manner of math, and quick understanding of serotonin transporter occupancy. Good qualities. Okay, and best. L, P, H, and G, mmt And oh man, I see you did good at the dentist.......which reminded me.....ugh, I get started with some bridgework in early January. Joy, joy, joy.........it will go smooth, it WILL all go smooth. 👩🌾🙈 Edited December 21, 2021 by manymoretodays Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988. In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs. My last psycho med ever! Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16, medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed. Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022. Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜 None of my posts are intended as medical advice. Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. My success story: Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted January 1, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted January 1, 2022 On 12/21/2021 at 1:56 AM, manymoretodays said: Hey there Go2zero, How are you doing? Oh so hoping you've had some windows by now, and just got busy with life things. Hi dear MMT, Thank you for you dear post! I am not doing to good for some time unfortunately. The more I go down in dosage (extreme small steps down of an already very low dosage) the longer the recoveries seem to take. I managed to go down in smaal steps from 0,55mg Prozac to 0,33mg over 1 year, with some very long holds in between. The last step down from 0,34 to 0,33mg is 3 months ago now. Still having quite a lot symptoms like insomnia (no real improvement), eczema (is much improving lately), migraine (also improving). heart palpitations which come and go, tinnitus (coming and going) eye migraine (just now and then), burning/prickling skin (paresthesia) (coming and going, but improving). Furthermore quite some anxiety, especially when waking up very early in the morning (probably cortisol spikes), sadness (coming and going). My inflammation in my jaw also disappeared (after 2 months) without having found a cause. So probably also through withdrawal. I guess my immune system was influenced, causing the inflammations eczema and other skin problems. Nearly all these symptoms disappeared again fortunately. As you can read, nearly everything is slowly improving. But not enough yet for a next step down. 1 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus manymoretodays Posted January 2, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) There you are. On 1/1/2022 at 10:28 AM, Go2zero said: As you can read, nearly everything is slowly improving. But not enough yet for a next step down. And slowly improving is great. Still, understandable that you do utmost self care right now. Cheering your healing on Go2Zero, and sending great magic too.......that it is quick. Good vibes. You are a super trooper. Holds are good. Holds are fine. Holds around holidays especially good I think. I don't know about you, but as much as I enjoy holidays, they can get a little stressful and have. And now.....it's like the after holiday let down.......I mean, come on I say to myself. There must be a holiday somewhere today??!!! 🙃 L, P, H, and G, mmt Edited January 2, 2022 by manymoretodays Late 2023- gone to emeritus status, inactive, don't @ me, I can check who I've posted on, and I'm not really here like I used to be......thanks. Started with psycho meds/psychiatric care circa 1988. In retrospect, and on contemplation, situational overwhelm. Rounding up to 30 years of medications(30 medication trials, poly-pharmacy maximum was 3 at one time). 5/28/2015-off Adderal salts 2.5mg. (I had been on that since hospital 10/2014) 12/2015---just holding, holding, holding, with trileptal/oxcarb at 75 mg. 1/2 tab at hs. My last psycho med ever! Tapered @ 10% every 4 weeks, sometimes 2 weeks to 2016 Dec 16, medication free!! Longer signature post here, with current supplements. Herb and alcohol free since 5/15/2016. And.....I quit smoking 11/2021. Lapsed. Redo of quit smoking 9/28/2022. Can you say Hallelujah?(took me long enough)💜 None of my posts are intended as medical advice. Please discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical provider. My success story: Blue skies ahead, clear sailing Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted February 6, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 6, 2022 I have been on hold now for more than 4 months on 0,33mg Prozac. And almost for 2 years on hold on 33mg Wellbutrin. 2 years ago I really could not taper further with Wellbutrin. Even the smallest step of 2-3% gave me extreme symptoms which lasted then for 8 months. Therefor I made this hold of 2 years and concentrated on tapering the Prozac. Unfortunately tapering the Prozac become more and more difficult after getting under 0,6mg Prozac. With small steps and several longer holds I managed to reach 0,33mg. But every small step gave more symptoms. So now after an 4 month hold on Prozac, I decided to try if I can taper the Wellbutrin further and leave the Prozac for now on 0,33mg. January 20 I dropped the dosage of Wellbutrin from 33mg to 32,3 (a 2,8% drop). Last days some strange symptoms which are good to handle. Blurred vision, pain in muscles and joints and lower back. Emotionally I do not notice any effects up to now luckily. Sleep is differing. Some nights reasonably good, others very often awake. But also good to handle. Plan is to go very slowly and careful, since I know from experience that symptoms from Wellbutrin can come sometimes 3-4 months after a taper. So coming months I plan to go down 2,5-3% per month. If symptoms would become too heavy I will make another hold, until I feel I can continue. If no (or very light) symptoms would arise, I hope to be able to go a bit faster in tapering. Maybe 5% per month and speed that up after some months if it goes well. 2 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus getofflex Posted February 6, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 6, 2022 It sounds like you have a good handle on things, go2zero. Good for you for being conservative and cautious in your taper! You are very patient. Please do not private message me. Only tag me for urgent questions about tapering and reinstating - thank you. ***Please note this is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one. Lexapro Started Apr 15 2010 - 10 mg; started taper August 2017, recent taper info: Apr 2 '20 0.18 mg; Jul 16 0.17 mg, Aug 23 0.16 mg, Oct 7 0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06, Nov 21 0.05, Dec. 17 0.04, Jan 14 '22 0.03, Feb 19 0.02, Apr 18 0.01, May 15 0.005, Jul 8, 0.00. Psych Drug Free as of July 8, 2022!! Woohoo!!! other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg magnesium in small amounts at 4 AM, before bed suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, multivitamin, zinc suppl 8 PM: magnesium 350 mg, extended release vitamin C, melatonin 2 mg Paxil 2002 - 2010, switched to Lexapro 2010 Trazodone 50 mg. 2002 - 2019, fast tapered in 2019 Xanax 0.5 mg as needed 2002 - 2019, up to 3x weekly Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted February 6, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, getofflex said: It sounds like you have a good handle on things, go2zero. Good for you for being conservative and cautious in your taper! You are very patient. Hi getofflex, thanks for your message. Yes I have to be conservative. Not that I want to. But I know from experience what might happen when I go faster... I learned to listen to my body and adapt my tapering plans when useful. Better slow and careful than too fast. In the end this careful taper will hopefully get me faster and to the finish. It was often frustrating for me that it takes so much longer than hoped for. But acceptance of that helps and gives much more inner peace.... Hope you are doing better already. Take care! 1 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus getofflex Posted February 7, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 7, 2022 So true, Go2. I was planning on reducing my dose again after 4 weeks this time, but I need to wait longer, because my body is telling me it needs more time at this current dose. Even going from such a tiny amount as 0.04 to 0.03, I could feel it. I can't believe how powerful these drugs are. Please do not private message me. Only tag me for urgent questions about tapering and reinstating - thank you. ***Please note this is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a doctor who understands psych meds and how to withdraw from them, if you can find one. Lexapro Started Apr 15 2010 - 10 mg; started taper August 2017, recent taper info: Apr 2 '20 0.18 mg; Jul 16 0.17 mg, Aug 23 0.16 mg, Oct 7 0.15 mg, Nov 8 - 0.14, Jan 16 '21 - 0.13, Feb 7 - 0.12, Feb 22 - 0.11, Mar 26 - 0.10, May 21 - 0.09, June 15 - 0.08 Aug 16 - 0.07, Oct 6 - 0.06, Nov 21 0.05, Dec. 17 0.04, Jan 14 '22 0.03, Feb 19 0.02, Apr 18 0.01, May 15 0.005, Jul 8, 0.00. Psych Drug Free as of July 8, 2022!! Woohoo!!! other meds: Levothyroxine 75 mg magnesium in small amounts at 4 AM, before bed suppl AM: fish oil, flax oil, vit C, vit E, multivitamin, zinc suppl 8 PM: magnesium 350 mg, extended release vitamin C, melatonin 2 mg Paxil 2002 - 2010, switched to Lexapro 2010 Trazodone 50 mg. 2002 - 2019, fast tapered in 2019 Xanax 0.5 mg as needed 2002 - 2019, up to 3x weekly Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted February 8, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 8, 2022 13 hours ago, getofflex said: I can't believe how powerful these drugs are. Yes, it is unbelievable... I also feel quite some symptoms again unfortunately the last few days. Only a 2,8% drop in dosage after an almost 2 years hold... It is frustrating now and then. I would love to get off these meds. I am sure I do not need them. The Wellbutrin (which seems to be the most problematic one for me) was only given to me as a drug to treat a side (extremely tired) effect of Lexapro, which I was taking then. The doctor convinced me that I could stop it cold turkey whenever I wanted. It would me harmless..... Yeh, sure....👎 I hope you will stabilize soon and be ready for your next step. You are so close to the last jump! Super! 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Mary66 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Weaning off Wellbutrin and not doing well from 300. Dr said just go to 150 for two weeks then 75 IR 2x/day for two weeks Then cut 75 IR in 1/2 and 1/4 for two weeks each decrease. I don’t know how I could split them further. bad bad taper off Paxil per psych after 25 good years then it stopped working. had me drop 5 mgs every two weeks from 40. I wish I had found this group sooner. 8 months off Paxil….terrible WD. My myriad of physical symptoms are better (still hot flashes, head tingly can’t sleep, have lost 50#s) mentally really bad. at the same time of Paxil taper the psych doubled my Wellbutrin to 300. started taper per a different psych in January. Dropped to 150, then every two weeks dropped. Switched to IR twice/day. 75/75, then 75/37, 37/37, 37/18, 18/18, now 2nd week on 1/4 tab (18) am. They said I could just stop. I was better mentally last month. should I go back up? could I jump back up slowly or jump to 37.5 am and 37.5 pm. biggest symptom is mental obsession about all this 24/7. also on Primidone for essential tremor started at the same time last spring with these other Med changes. had Genesight done, obsessing over all the CYP data….drug interactions…can’t stop my brain -1994 Paxil 20 mg -2010 Paxil 40 mg -November 2020 Wellbutrin xl 150 - April 2021 begin Paxil taper. Drop 5 mg every two weeks per psych -April 2021 Wellbutrin xl 300 perpsych -March 2021 start Primidone, increase @ 2 wks to 50 am/pm for ET - —July 2021 final Paxil, Terrible WD -October 2021 30# lost, terrible depression/anxiety, almost to ER -January 2022, begin Wellbutrin xl 300 taper to 150 for 2 wks. Then 75 IR 2x/day for 2 wks, then 75 IR am/ 37.5 pm for 2, 18.75 Wellbutrin per psych -February 3, started Effexor 37.5 stopped February 11, bed 3 days, hot throat Link to comment
Mary66 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 On 9/1/2020 at 3:13 PM, Gridley said: Welcome to SA, Go2Zero. Thanks for completing your drug signature. I'm not aware of the relative ease in going off Wellbutrin if one isn't also on an SSRI, but that doesn't mean that it isn't the case. In any event, since you've gotten so low on the Prozac, it makes sense to get off it first and deal with Wellbutrin with a clear playing field of only one drug to deal with. It's a good idea to wait three months after getting off Prozac before you start the Wellbutrin taper. Your 3% taper plan also is fine. You'll just have to see if it's too much. You're probably aware of our basic recommendation to taper no more than 10% of your current dose every four weeks. Your 3% plan is also fine. You'll just have to see if it's too much. Why taper by 10% of my dosage? There are two other taper plans that are gentler than the once a month taper and you might want to consider them. The Brassmonkey slide taper reduces by a small amount each week for 4 weeks followed by a two-week hold. This taper calls for four 2 1/2% cuts, but you could reduce that to four 1% cuts. The Brassmonkey Slide Method of Micro-tapering You may want to switch to a micro-taper going forward. This is the gentlest way to come off these drugs. Micro-taper instead of 10% or 5% decreases These links are specifically about tapering Prozac and Wellbutrin. Tips for tapering off fluoxetine (Prozac) Tips for tapering off buproprion (Wellbutrin, SR, XR, XL) The Wellbutrin link is an excellent tutorial on how to get off this drug and contains tips about XR that should be very helpful to you when the time comes to taper Wellbutrin. Regarding your question about jumping to zero from 0.15mg Prozac, that seems a little high. Brassmonkey, one of our moderators, is currently completing a post on the endgame taper, but I would think in terms of getting into the 0.00s (0.05 or even lower) before jumping to zero. Other suggestions when you get down this low are holding longer than the standard 4 weeks, like 6 weeks, between drops and also possibly holding once even longer to let allow your system to catch up to any residual issues before jumping to zero. How are you obtaining the tiny doses of Prozac (liquid taper? dry cutting with scale?)? This is your Introduction topic, where you can ask questions and connect with other members. We're glad you found your way here. Weaning off Wellbutrin and not doing well from 300. Dr said just go to 150 for two weeks then 75 IR 2x/day for two weeks Then cut 75 IR in 1/2 and 1/4 for two weeks each decrease. I don’t know how I could split them further. bad bad taper off Paxil per psych after 25 good years then it stopped working. had me drop 5 mgs every two weeks from 40. I wish I had found this group sooner. 8 months off Paxil….terrible WD. My myriad of physical symptoms are better (still hot flashes, head tingly can’t sleep, have lost 50#s) mentally really bad. at the same time of Paxil taper the psych doubled my Wellbutrin to 300. started taper per a different psych in January. Dropped to 150, then every two weeks dropped. Switched to IR twice/day. 75/75, then 75/37, 37/37, 37/18, 18/18, now 2nd week on 1/4 tab (18) am. They said I could just stop. I was better mentally last month. should I go back up? could I jump back up slowly or jump to 37.5 am and 37.5 pm. biggest symptom is mental obsession about all this 24/7. also on Primidone for essential tremor started at the same time last spring with these other Med changes. had Genesight done, obsessing over all the CYP data….drug interactions…can’t stop my brain -1994 Paxil 20 mg -2010 Paxil 40 mg -November 2020 Wellbutrin xl 150 - April 2021 begin Paxil taper. Drop 5 mg every two weeks per psych -April 2021 Wellbutrin xl 300 perpsych -March 2021 start Primidone, increase @ 2 wks to 50 am/pm for ET - —July 2021 final Paxil, Terrible WD -October 2021 30# lost, terrible depression/anxiety, almost to ER -January 2022, begin Wellbutrin xl 300 taper to 150 for 2 wks. Then 75 IR 2x/day for 2 wks, then 75 IR am/ 37.5 pm for 2, 18.75 Wellbutrin per psych -February 3, started Effexor 37.5 stopped February 11, bed 3 days, hot throat Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Gridley Posted April 9, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted April 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Mary66 said: Weaning off Wellbutrin and not doing well from 300. I'm taking a break from moderating. I suggest you check the site to see which moderators are currently active. Gridley Introduction Lexapro 20 mg since 2004. Begin Brassmonkey Slide Taper Jan. 2017. End 2017 year 1 of taper at 9.25mg End 2018 year 2 of taper at 4.1mg End 2019 year 3 of taper at 1.0mg Oct. 30, 2020 Jump to zero from 0.025mg. Current dose: 0.000mg 3 year, 10 month taper is 100% complete. Ativan 1 mg to 1.875mg 1986-2020, two CT's and reinstatements Nov. 2020, 7-week Ativan-Valium crossover to 18.75mg Valium Feb. 2021, begin 10%/4 week taper of 18.75mg Valium End 2021 year 1 of Valium taper at 6mg End 2022 year 2 of Valium taper at 2.75mg End 2023 year 3 of Valium taper at 1mg Jan. 24, 2024: Hold at 1mg and shift to Imipramine taper. Taper is 95% complete. Imipramine 75 mg daily since 1986. Jan.-Sept. 2016 tapered to 14.4mg March 22, 2022: Begin 10%/4 week taper Aug. 5, 2022: hold at 9.5mg and shift to Valium taper Jan. 24, 2024: Resume Imipramine taper. Current dose as of April 1: 6.8mg Taper is 91% complete. Supplements: multiple, quercetin, omega-3, vitamins C, E and D3, magnesium glycinate, probiotics, zinc, melatonin .3mg, iron, serrapeptase, nattokinase I am not a medical professional and this is not medical advice but simply information based on my own experience, as well as other members who have survived these drugs. Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted August 31, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Hi all, Time for a short update. Still working on tapering Prozac. Now at 0,19mg. Made a hold of 172 days until March this year, because I had too heavy WD symptoms. Started tapering then end of March in tiny steps, listening carefully to my body as Brassmonkey suggested several times. And this really helps and works! Made several shorter and longer holds since then. Now also in a hold. Symptoms come and go and change a lot. Waves come and go. The changes in how I feel come and go in periods of several days or a week, so quite fast. Which is a good sign of healing in my opinion. Headaches (sometimes as migraine), nausea, heart palpitations, eczema, burning and prickling feelings under my skin (paresthesia), burning eyes and inside nose. Feeling extremely hot (burning) inside and a lot of sweating all over my body now and then. Sleep is quite bad some periods (several weeks) and other period suddenly quite good. Also had urinal issues for some days, but they disappeared again. Emotionally also a lot of changing. Some weeks or days I feel much stronger and feel that I am going in a good direction. Suddenly I can wake up then with suicidal thoughts and feelings. Or very sad or anxious. I know these emotions ara nearly all caused by withdrawal, so I do my best to do not to take them serious. But that said, they can feel like real and overwhelming when they are there. I hope to be able to continue tapering soon. Going slow but steady... Edited August 31, 2022 by Go2zero 1 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus arbor Posted August 31, 2022 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted August 31, 2022 Thanks for the update @Go2zero. I send you best wishes! Arbor 1 Zoloft: 1995 - 2015 Prozac: 2015 - 2018 (tapered from 40mg x day on July 31 to 30mg on August 31 to 20mg on September 31 to 10mg October 31 to 0mg on December 15, 2018 Gabapentin: 2016 to 2019 (tapered from 300mg x day to 150mg on August 31, 2019 to 75mg on September 15 to 50mg on September 31 to 25ishmg on October 15 to 0mg on December 1, 2019 Enalapril: 2010 - 2019 Lipitor: 2017 -2017 Metformin: 2000 - 2020 Liothyronine: 2007 - 2019 Levothyroxine: 2000 - 2022 Link to comment
Stardust Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 @Go2zero Hi- I'm starting my taper off Wellbutrin/ bupropion tomorrow. I'm planning to use Brassmonkey's Slide Method of Microtapering. I wanted to touch base with you as I see you're in the process of tapering off it (and Prozac). Can I ask you what method you're using? For example, are you crushing and weighing or making a liquid? Best wishes, Stardust Current Taper Bupropion which I've taken for 20+ yrs- Start dose SR 100mg Jan '23, switched to IR 100mg. Held for 2 weeks; Feb '23 started taper using Brassmonkey Slide Method of Micro-Tapering; 6/23 Bup 75mg; 7/22/23 Bup 64mg; 7/29/23 Bup 62mg; 8/12/23 Bup 59mg; 9/2/23 Bup 56mg 10/1/23 Bup 52mg; 11/4/23 Bup 46mg; 12/9/23 40mg; 1/13/24 35mg; 2/24/24 30mg; 4/13/24 25mg Other meds, supplements & previous tapers: buspirone plan to taper off after bupropion taper citalopram -20mg/day. Tapered from 40mg to 20mg using Brassmonkey Slide Method of Micro-Tapering clonazepam Tapered too fast - horrible withdrawal. Vitamins D3, C , multivitamin and Fish oil Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted September 1, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Stardust said: Can I ask you what method you're using? For example, are you crushing and weighing or making a liquid? Best wishes, Hi Stardust, I am cutting my Wellbutrin XL pills in 18,5 pieces. Using mg scales. A 150mg pill weighs 190 mg and I make 18,5 pieces of 10mg more or less. Exactly 10 mg is difficult to cut, but the small differences even out over the 4,75 days that is used to take 1 pill in total. In Europe where I live only the Wellbutrin XL 150mg is available. So no IR (instant release) or SR. Or lower dosages than 150mg. So this is the only possibility for me. The XL pills cannot be used for making a liquid. It is totally impossible. They do not dissolve since these pills contain some kind of glue that helps to make them extended release (XR or XL). But, when you cut them they work as instant release. Therefore I divide my daily dose over 4 small parts. Otherwise I would get the full blow of my daily dose a once... I am not completely sure about the SR pills, but as far as I know they cannot be dissolved either, or very difficult. So cutting and weighing with scales, that can weigh up to 1mg is a way to go. Or take instant release bupropion and check if these pills can be dissolved in water. As far as I know this is often possible. It may differ per brand however. Here are some helpful links: 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Stardust Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 @Go2zero Thanks very much for your reply and outlining how you handle your cuts. The differences between XR, XL and SR make it complicated to sort out the right approach. I'm putting off my taper until I've worked out a few more details! Thanks again, Stardust Current Taper Bupropion which I've taken for 20+ yrs- Start dose SR 100mg Jan '23, switched to IR 100mg. Held for 2 weeks; Feb '23 started taper using Brassmonkey Slide Method of Micro-Tapering; 6/23 Bup 75mg; 7/22/23 Bup 64mg; 7/29/23 Bup 62mg; 8/12/23 Bup 59mg; 9/2/23 Bup 56mg 10/1/23 Bup 52mg; 11/4/23 Bup 46mg; 12/9/23 40mg; 1/13/24 35mg; 2/24/24 30mg; 4/13/24 25mg Other meds, supplements & previous tapers: buspirone plan to taper off after bupropion taper citalopram -20mg/day. Tapered from 40mg to 20mg using Brassmonkey Slide Method of Micro-Tapering clonazepam Tapered too fast - horrible withdrawal. Vitamins D3, C , multivitamin and Fish oil Link to comment
Soup Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 @Go2zero what do you use to cut your Wellbutrin xl tablet ? On Prozac 20 mg from 1996 to 2012 started for post partum depression ? Pooped out 2012 - Switched to 1.25 mg Klonopin ( tapered off last dose march 6 th / 2017 ( 14 month taper) 2012-15 mg lexapro came off nov.4 th /17 2012- 150 mg Wellbutrin xl ( still on ) 2019- Stabilized to be functional after coming off lex and klon waiting to get healthy to taper Wellbutrin 2021 Dec - Suprax and macrobid for UTI 2022 Jan - withdrawal symptoms came back with a vengeance ( antibiotics and uti only change ) 2022 June - still in full withdrawal Link to comment
j1290 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 @Go2zero Hi there, just wanted to say hello and wish you the best! I am not a doctor and do not offer any medical advice, only my own experience. Consult your physician. 2011-2015 tapered off 300MG of Effexor. Back in the Paxil Progress days. No rebound. 2005-2021: 450 mg Bupropion XL Daily 2021 Buporopion May 450mg/June 400mg/July 375mg/Aug 10th 360mg/ 2021 Dec - 150mg IR, 3x day = 450mg Bup, Heritage manufacturer-yellow color pill. 2022 May 3 - 3 x 150mg IR Bup, Avet brand(pharmacist said they merged with Heritage-orange color) -migraines REINSTATED-BACK TO MY LAST STABLE DOSE/TIME RELEASE 2022 June 5 - switched back to 3 x 150mg XL one time per day= 450 mg total Bup-Apotex brand CURRENT TAPER 2022 Aug 31 - 450MG to 412MG IR Bup//Sep. 28, 2022: 412mg to 375mg//Oct 26, 2022: 375mg to 365 mg//Nov 21, 2022: 365mg to 327mg//Dec 27, 2022: 327 mg to 290 mg//Dec 31, 2022: 290mg to 262mg//Jan 28, 2023: 262mg to 190mg//Feb. 19, 2023: 190mg to 140mg//Mar. 18, '23: 140mg to 100mg// Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted October 11, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted October 11, 2022 17 hours ago, Soup said: what do you use to cut your Wellbutrin xl tablet ? A very sharp and thin knife. And some reading glasses that are too strong for my eyes. That helps to magnify the cutting process. Also I put on a headlamp to see it even better. In this way I can cut 1 pill in 19 pieces (could even be more if needed). It is not easy to get all small cut parts exactly equal in weight, but since I divide my daily dosage in 4 parts that evens out over the day. See my post of September 1 (above) for details how I cut the pills. 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted October 11, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted October 11, 2022 16 hours ago, j1290 said: Hi there, just wanted to say hello and wish you the best! Thank you! I wish you all the best too. Impressed by your motivation to taper. In that way you will certainly get there! 1 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
j1290 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Go2zero said: Thank you! I wish you all the best too. Impressed by your motivation to taper. In that way you will certainly get there! Thanks, and yourself as well! When I got in trouble with WD recently I remembered you asking me last year if it was a good idea to switch back to the XL version of Wellbutrin that worked better, so I did and eventually got back on track. That was a huge help! I wish I'd listened to you sooner! 1 I am not a doctor and do not offer any medical advice, only my own experience. Consult your physician. 2011-2015 tapered off 300MG of Effexor. Back in the Paxil Progress days. No rebound. 2005-2021: 450 mg Bupropion XL Daily 2021 Buporopion May 450mg/June 400mg/July 375mg/Aug 10th 360mg/ 2021 Dec - 150mg IR, 3x day = 450mg Bup, Heritage manufacturer-yellow color pill. 2022 May 3 - 3 x 150mg IR Bup, Avet brand(pharmacist said they merged with Heritage-orange color) -migraines REINSTATED-BACK TO MY LAST STABLE DOSE/TIME RELEASE 2022 June 5 - switched back to 3 x 150mg XL one time per day= 450 mg total Bup-Apotex brand CURRENT TAPER 2022 Aug 31 - 450MG to 412MG IR Bup//Sep. 28, 2022: 412mg to 375mg//Oct 26, 2022: 375mg to 365 mg//Nov 21, 2022: 365mg to 327mg//Dec 27, 2022: 327 mg to 290 mg//Dec 31, 2022: 290mg to 262mg//Jan 28, 2023: 262mg to 190mg//Feb. 19, 2023: 190mg to 140mg//Mar. 18, '23: 140mg to 100mg// Link to comment
Mentor RachelSusan Posted February 26, 2023 Mentor Share Posted February 26, 2023 @Go2zero I saw the video you made and posted on Soup's page about cutting XL. One of the best videos I have seen. Thank you for making this video, I know it will help a lot of people. Warm wishes. 1 I am not a health professional in any way. I do not give medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a professional medical practitioner. NEW INFORMATION FOR GABAPENTIN TAPER April 29, 2022 900 mg to 800 mg (11%), May 29, 2022 800 to 700 mg (12.5%), June 20, 2022 700 to 650mg (8%), July 20, 2022 650 to 575 (12%), August 20, 575 to 500 (13%), Sept 20, 2020 500 to 475mg (5%) Nov 7, 2022 475 to 425 (11%), Nov 21, 2022 500mg Medications: Gabapentin, Prednisone 1.5mg a day, Cortisol Inhaler daily. HISTORY FOR ZOLOFT TAPER Feb. 2016 to June 2016 - Was on 150mg Zoloft. Put on Gabapentin at 900mg a day in 2016 due to antidepressant withdrawal. Quit Zoloft (Sertraline) June 2016, reinstated 50mg of Zoloft July 2016. From July 2016 to October 2016 went from 50 mg down 2.3 mg. I up-dosed in November 2016 to 12.5 mg. Held there until January 2017 when I started a much slower taper. STARTING SENSIBLE ZOLOFT TAPERING USING GUIDELINES FROM THIS SITE Dec. 10 2016 - switched to Liquid Zoloft (Sertraline) @ 12.5 mg. Jan. 4, 2020 1.875 mg (6.3%). Jan. 25, 2020 1.75 mg. Feb. 29, 2020 1.625mg (7.10%). Apr. 4, 2020 1.5 mg. May 9, 2020 1.375 mg. June 6, 2020 1.25 mg. (9.10%). July 4, 2020 1.125 mg. (10%). August 15, 2020 1.0 mg. Oct 24, 2020 .875 mg. Nov. 28, 2020 .75mg. Jan 16, 2021 .685mg (8.7%). Feb 13, 2021 .62mg. March 12, 2021 .56mg. May 1, 2021 .375mg. May 29, 2021 .25mg. June 26, 2021 .0125mg. July 25, 2021 .065mg. August 22, 2021 .048mg. October 2, 2021 .043mg. October 10, 2021 .038mg. October 23, 2021 .035mg. October 30, 2021 .032mg. Nov. 13, 2021 .030 mg. Dec 4, 2021 .0285 mg. Dec 11, 2021 .0265 mg. Dec 18, 2021 .0246 mg. Dec 25, 2021 .023mg. Jan 1, 2022. 0 mg. OFF COMPLETELY Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted February 26, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted February 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, RachelSusan said: I saw the video you made and posted on Soup's page about cutting XL. One of the best videos I have seen. Thank you for making this video, I know it will help a lot of people. Warm wishes. Thank you so much for the compliment. I hope it will help a lot of people. 1 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Mentor littlebird Posted February 26, 2023 Mentor Share Posted February 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Go2zero said: 14 minutes ago, RachelSusan said: I saw the video you made and posted on Soup's page about cutting XL. One of the best videos I have seen. Thank you for making this video, I know it will help a lot of people. Warm wishes. Thank you so much for the compliment. I hope it will help a lot of people. I think it will! Being able to see what you're doing was really helpful, I need to utilize the piece of paper instead of having fragments all over the base of my scale. Also going to try pre-making them and putting them in pieces of paper, that's brilliant. 2 Pronouns: they/them/theirs Started on Prozac in early 2000s to treat cPTSD, been on various cocktails ever since. 2002-2004, 2017-2022: Buspar, tapered down to 0 2016-present: 100mg Seroquel for sleep -> May 2023: 90mg -> June 2023: 81mg -> September 2023: 72mg -> switched to brand name, much too strong, down to 60mg -> October 2023: 54mg -> November 2023: 50mg -> January 2024: 45mg -> April 2024: 40.5mg 2016-Present: 100mg Wellbutrin SR -> January 2023: 75mg IR (37.5mg 2x a day) -> February 2023 (33.75mg 2x a day) -> July 2023 (30.37mg 2x a day) -> August 2023: 27.33mg 2x a day 2018-present: 25mg Pristiq 2015-present: 600mg Gabapentin (200mg 3x a day) -> December 2022: 300mg Gabapentin (100mg 3x a day) per GP's recommendation after side effects -> March 2023: 90mg 3x a day (switched to liquid suspension) -> April 2023: 81mg 3x a day -> September 2023: bad generic, switched back to homemade liquid; too strong after bad generic, down to 70mg 3x a day, still bad. Adjusted slowly till at 60mg 3x a day, much better. Long hold till -> December 2023: 54mg, still feels too high after November Seroquel switch from brand name to generic, doc recommended 50mg which feels better -> January 2024: When Wellbutrin went down, Gabapentin started putting me to sleep, went down to 45mg, then 41mg to stay awake, so far so good -> February 2024: 36mg, still too high, 34mg -> March 2024: 31mg, STILL too high, 30mg Supplements: Multivitamin w/magnesium, probiotics, digestive enzymes, anti-viral nitric oxide nose spray as needed Link to comment
j1290 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I always wondered how you accomplished this, Go2zero! Super cool to finally see with my own eyes what you're doing. Really high quality video. I think this will help a lot of people. 3 I am not a doctor and do not offer any medical advice, only my own experience. Consult your physician. 2011-2015 tapered off 300MG of Effexor. Back in the Paxil Progress days. No rebound. 2005-2021: 450 mg Bupropion XL Daily 2021 Buporopion May 450mg/June 400mg/July 375mg/Aug 10th 360mg/ 2021 Dec - 150mg IR, 3x day = 450mg Bup, Heritage manufacturer-yellow color pill. 2022 May 3 - 3 x 150mg IR Bup, Avet brand(pharmacist said they merged with Heritage-orange color) -migraines REINSTATED-BACK TO MY LAST STABLE DOSE/TIME RELEASE 2022 June 5 - switched back to 3 x 150mg XL one time per day= 450 mg total Bup-Apotex brand CURRENT TAPER 2022 Aug 31 - 450MG to 412MG IR Bup//Sep. 28, 2022: 412mg to 375mg//Oct 26, 2022: 375mg to 365 mg//Nov 21, 2022: 365mg to 327mg//Dec 27, 2022: 327 mg to 290 mg//Dec 31, 2022: 290mg to 262mg//Jan 28, 2023: 262mg to 190mg//Feb. 19, 2023: 190mg to 140mg//Mar. 18, '23: 140mg to 100mg// Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Carmie Posted March 1, 2023 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted March 1, 2023 That was so lovely of you to put that video together for Soup @Go2zero I’m sure it will help many others too, thank you for the time you spent doing that💛 1 Seroquel. 2019:➡️ From 7.25mg to 5.80mg✔️ 2020➡️From 5.60 to 4.80✔️ 2021➡️From 4.60 to 4.0✔️ 2022➡️From 3.95 to 3.55✔️2023➡️ Jan 26=3.50✔️March 17=3.45✔️ June12=3.40✔️ July30=3.35✔️ Sep14=3.30✔️ Oct31=3.25✔️ 2024➡️Jan15=3.20✔️ Feb19=3.15✔️ March26=3.10✔️This is NOT medical advice.Consult your doctor. Link to comment
Mary66 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Where can I see this video pls? -1994 Paxil 20 mg -2010 Paxil 40 mg -November 2020 Wellbutrin xl 150 - April 2021 begin Paxil taper. Drop 5 mg every two weeks per psych -April 2021 Wellbutrin xl 300 perpsych -March 2021 start Primidone, increase @ 2 wks to 50 am/pm for ET - —July 2021 final Paxil, Terrible WD -October 2021 30# lost, terrible depression/anxiety, almost to ER -January 2022, begin Wellbutrin xl 300 taper to 150 for 2 wks. Then 75 IR 2x/day for 2 wks, then 75 IR am/ 37.5 pm for 2, 18.75 Wellbutrin per psych -February 3, started Effexor 37.5 stopped February 11, bed 3 days, hot throat Link to comment
Soup Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 @Mary66 look under how to taper Wellbutrinin in the tapering subject it is at the end On Prozac 20 mg from 1996 to 2012 started for post partum depression ? Pooped out 2012 - Switched to 1.25 mg Klonopin ( tapered off last dose march 6 th / 2017 ( 14 month taper) 2012-15 mg lexapro came off nov.4 th /17 2012- 150 mg Wellbutrin xl ( still on ) 2019- Stabilized to be functional after coming off lex and klon waiting to get healthy to taper Wellbutrin 2021 Dec - Suprax and macrobid for UTI 2022 Jan - withdrawal symptoms came back with a vengeance ( antibiotics and uti only change ) 2022 June - still in full withdrawal Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted March 15, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) Time for an update again. My last update was in August last year. I was at 0,19 mg Prozac then. Now I am at 0,08mg. I had several longer and shorter holds since the last update. Next to the Prozac I still take the 32 mg Wellbutrin. I will start to taper that (further) at least 5 months after stopping the Prozac. Withdrawal symptoms still come and go. I had heavy migraine several times. Even twice where my eyesight at one side seemed to disappear. Went to am eye specialist and a neurologist. Everything OK and they agreed that the eye problem was a migraine symptom and caused by withdrawal... Since I am under 0,12 mg, it seems that periods of WD symptoms are getting shorter, which is a good sign. Also the depth or heaviness of the symptoms seems to lessen. The symptoms come and go and change faster than before, which also is a sign of faster healing in my opinion. Since a few days I am having a lot of symptoms again, so I am holding again on my current dose of 0,08mg. Today: Migraine, nausea, inside skin burning all over my body (paresthesia), heart palpitations, concentration problems, brain fog, burning inside nose, tinnitus, eczema. At the moment not much emotional symptoms. Last few months several periods with anxiety. Still unbelievable that at this low dose of 0,08mg (1 pill divided over 250 days) I am still having such heavy reactions now and then. But yes, this is what I learned on this website. We really have to go down to an extreme low dosage before we can jump to zero. These drugs are so powerful at low dosages! My plan is to go down to 0,01 mg before I stop. I have been tapering since 5 1/2 year now. I do not want to mess up things with the finish in reach... So grateful for all the information offered here and a special thank to @brassmonkey. He really gave me the most important info I needed. How important it is to listen to my body and hold when feeling too many symptoms. And also not to jump to a zero dose before reaching an extreme low dosage. Ik hope to jump to zero with the Prozac in 3-5 months. I learned planning does not work. Listening to my body and holding when having too much problems with WD is the way to go. Going slow will bring a faster end to this torture than planning and going too fast... Edited March 15, 2023 by Go2zero 3 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Mentor RachelSusan Posted March 15, 2023 Mentor Share Posted March 15, 2023 @Go2zero Overall what a wonderful post to read. I feel bad that you are having symptoms though. Hopefully those will resolve soon for you. 1 I am not a health professional in any way. I do not give medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a professional medical practitioner. NEW INFORMATION FOR GABAPENTIN TAPER April 29, 2022 900 mg to 800 mg (11%), May 29, 2022 800 to 700 mg (12.5%), June 20, 2022 700 to 650mg (8%), July 20, 2022 650 to 575 (12%), August 20, 575 to 500 (13%), Sept 20, 2020 500 to 475mg (5%) Nov 7, 2022 475 to 425 (11%), Nov 21, 2022 500mg Medications: Gabapentin, Prednisone 1.5mg a day, Cortisol Inhaler daily. HISTORY FOR ZOLOFT TAPER Feb. 2016 to June 2016 - Was on 150mg Zoloft. Put on Gabapentin at 900mg a day in 2016 due to antidepressant withdrawal. Quit Zoloft (Sertraline) June 2016, reinstated 50mg of Zoloft July 2016. From July 2016 to October 2016 went from 50 mg down 2.3 mg. I up-dosed in November 2016 to 12.5 mg. Held there until January 2017 when I started a much slower taper. STARTING SENSIBLE ZOLOFT TAPERING USING GUIDELINES FROM THIS SITE Dec. 10 2016 - switched to Liquid Zoloft (Sertraline) @ 12.5 mg. Jan. 4, 2020 1.875 mg (6.3%). Jan. 25, 2020 1.75 mg. Feb. 29, 2020 1.625mg (7.10%). Apr. 4, 2020 1.5 mg. May 9, 2020 1.375 mg. June 6, 2020 1.25 mg. (9.10%). July 4, 2020 1.125 mg. (10%). August 15, 2020 1.0 mg. Oct 24, 2020 .875 mg. Nov. 28, 2020 .75mg. Jan 16, 2021 .685mg (8.7%). Feb 13, 2021 .62mg. March 12, 2021 .56mg. May 1, 2021 .375mg. May 29, 2021 .25mg. June 26, 2021 .0125mg. July 25, 2021 .065mg. August 22, 2021 .048mg. October 2, 2021 .043mg. October 10, 2021 .038mg. October 23, 2021 .035mg. October 30, 2021 .032mg. Nov. 13, 2021 .030 mg. Dec 4, 2021 .0285 mg. Dec 11, 2021 .0265 mg. Dec 18, 2021 .0246 mg. Dec 25, 2021 .023mg. Jan 1, 2022. 0 mg. OFF COMPLETELY Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted April 5, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted April 5, 2023 (edited) @brassmonkey I could use some specific advice, while being in the endgame for more than 2 years now. As written in my last update of March 15, I have been doing quite well with tapering since I got under 0,12mg. Symptoms got less worse, disappeared much faster and were less deep the lower I got in dosage. However, since 1 month I am in quite a mean wave. Lots of symptoms and much stronger and longer lasting than in the last 5-6 months. Lots of migraine, paresthesia, nausea, tinnitus, heart palpitations, sometimes concentration problems, cortisol peaks in the morning now and then and several emotional symptoms that come and go like anxiety, depressed feelings and even now and then suicidal ideation (as feelings and thoughts that pop up as symptoms, not any real plan or desire). Of course, I decided to hold (for 31 days now). Symptoms seem to lessen, but very very slowly. So, I will hold until I feel I can continue again. But I wonder how I can taper further without having to go through again these quite heavy symptoms. Everything went very well and smooth during tapering from 0,14 to 0,08mg. And suddenly out of nothing this wave came. It may have to do with the long half life of Prozac, I guess. Probably the several steps down accumulated and hit me. My question is, how could I continue tapering (after this wave) in a reasonable tempo and having more control. So that symptoms hopefully will not come to such a heavy point as in this wave. I use the Brassmonkey Slide method for at least 2 years now. Average taper was 10% per month. With periods of holding (14-50days, depending on symptoms) after every 4-5 weeks of tapering. But since I am under 0,14 the 10% seems to be difficult to continue. If I would, I still would be tapering for many years. Although I am dividing 1 pill over 250 days now…. So, I will have to go to 20% per month and higher the more I get to zero. I plan to jump at 0,004 mg. I know in theory, I could jump at 0,014 mg. But I rather take the safe side. It would just mean a couple of weeks extra. Edited April 5, 2023 by Go2zero 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
Moderator brassmonkey Posted April 6, 2023 Moderator Share Posted April 6, 2023 The final bits of a taper can be quite challenging. It's more than likely that this is just a wave and was not triggered by anything that you were doing. Still, it is a good idea not to try and stick to a fixed schedule, but rather "play it by ear" from here on out. If you are experiencing a longer time for symptoms to resolve with the slide method, then I would stretch out to hold period for each reduction from one week to two or possibly three, and increase the final hold as needed. As for the jumping off point, I would let my body tell me when. At some point it will say "enough of this already" and you can just stop. Don't be surprised if you get some post "0" symptoms. 1 20 years on Paxil starting at 20mg and working up to 40mg. Sept 2011 started 10% every 6 weeks taper (2.5% every week for 4 weeks then hold for 2 additional weeks), currently at 7.9mg. Oct 2011 CTed 15oz vodka a night, to only drinking 2 beers most nights, totally sober Feb 2013. Since I wrote this I have continued to decrease my dose by 10% every 6 weeks (2.5% every week for 4 weeks and then hold for an additional 2 weeks). I added in an extra 6 week hold when I hit 10mg to let things settle out even more. When I hit 3mgpw it became hard to split the drop into 4 parts so I switched to dropping 1mgpw (pill weight) every week for 3 weeks and then holding for another 3 weeks. The 3 + 3 schedule turned out to be too harsh so I cut back to dropping 1mgpw every 4 weeks which is working better. Final Dose 0.016mg. Current dose 0.000mg 04-15-2017 "It's also important not to become angry, no matter how difficult life is, because you can loose all hope if you can't laugh at yourself and at life in general." Stephen Hawking Link to comment
Moderator Go2zero Posted May 16, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted May 16, 2023 I have been in a wave for more than 10 weeks now. The worst wave I experienced since 1 1/2 year. Quite frustrating with the finish of my prozac taper in sight... Heavy symptoms like migraine, heart palpitations, burning inside skin, nausea, LOTS of anxiety, depressed feelings, sadness, concentration and short memory problems, fatigue, tinnitus. I know the only thing I can do, is ride this wave out.... I know it will go eventually . But I can understand so well the doubts many members have now and then. Although I know from experience that these symptoms will go, I can feel these doubts also when deep in a wave like this one. 2 1993 Anafranil (Clomipramine) for a few months. Later in 1993 Paxil for a few months 1993- 2006 No medication 2006 Effexor, Cymbalta, some Benzo’s. All for short periods. Later in 2006 Lexapro (escitalopram) 10 mg and shortly after Wellbutrin XR 150mg, against side effects Lexapro Since 2006 until end of 2015: Several times on and off Lexapro and Wellbutrin and several slight dosage changes. Mostly taken dosages: 5mg Lexapro and 150mg Wellbutrin 2016 Dosage change Lexapro from 5mg to 2,5 mg. Wellbutrin stayed om 150mg November 2016 – April 2017 Down from 2,5mg to 0,6mg Lexapro (in steps) without much problems. Wellbutrin down from 150mg to 66mg. Also without much problems. April 2017 – March 2019 Lexapro 0,6 mg April 2017 - August 2018 Wellbutrin in small steps down from 66mg in to 37,5 mg . Quite heavy WD after each step. March 2019 – May 2019 Lexapro down from 0,6 to 0,3mg then Prozac to 0,6 mg switch because severe discontinuation effects (may also have been from Wellbutrin..) Wellbutrin down from 37,5mg to 35,3mg October 2019 Seroquel 12,5 mg for 4 weeks because of extreme sleeping problems, then weaning off in 2 weeks Prozac up dosage to 1,2 mg March 2020 Wellbutrin in 2 steps down from 35,3mg to 33,3mg Extreme withdrawal effects during 8 months. Stopped tapering Wellbutrin until total off Prozac. February 2020 – November 2020 Prozac down in steps from 1,2mg to 0,57mg. Jan 2021 : Prozac down to: 0,55> 0,53>0,51mg, Feb 0,47mg , Mar 0,42mg, Apr 0,37, longer hold because of WD symptoms July 0,36 and hold again, Sept 19 0,35, Sept 26 0,34mg, Oct 3 0,33mg Long hold of 172 days until March 2022 January 20, 2022: Wellbutrin from 33,3 to 32,3mg March 22, 2022 Prozac down from 0,33mg to: 0,30mg, Apr 0,29, May 0,28, 0,27, June 0,26, 0,25, July 0,24, 0,23, 0,22, 0,21, Aug 0,20, 0,19 Sep 0,18, Oct 0,17. 0,16, 0,15, Nov 0,14 Jan 2023 0,13, 0,12, 0,11 Feb 0,10, 0,09 Mar 0,08 , June 0,07 , July 0,06, 0,05, Aug 0,04, 0,03, Sept 0,026, 0,024 Nov 0,022, 0,019, 0,016, 0,013 Dec 0,012, 0,011, 0,010, 0,009 Jan 2024 0,008, 0,007, 0,006, 0,005, 0,004, 0,003, 0,002, 0,001, Feb 0,0007. 0,0005, 0,0003, 0,0001, Feb 23, 2024: 0,00000 Wellbutrin resume tapering: Apr 2024 31,6mg, 30,8, 30 Supplements: Fish Oil (3000mg), Magnesium 100 mg, 2 drops of Lavender Oil, only when feeling extreme anxiety. 50mg of L-Theanine only when severe discontinuation effects caused by Wellbutrin Please note this is NOT a medical advice. Discuss all your medical issues with a doctor who understands psychical drugs and really knows how to withdraw from them. I wish that you will find one. Link to comment
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