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Hi Aussie Blue (Michele G) here from Lyrica Survivors.  Somewhat lost, confusion reigns hopefully will manage to navigate the site. Glad to be on SA away from the FB bots. Cheers all. 

Michele G:  my Intro topic

Poly drugged 20 yrs ADs & sleeping pills. 10 years Anxiolytic. 7 yrs Lyrica. 
Hx Valium 15mg <2.5mg 3x/day 12/20.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg CTd 3/2021 per Dr, reinstated 4/21 @ 15mg. Zopiclone 3.75 CTd 7/21 E-script glitch, didn’t resume. 2016 Lyrica 150mg 2x/day, < 100mg 2x/day 2016. Tapered to 50mg 2x/day 4/2021-10/21, taper on hold. Oxybutnin Patch 3.9mg started 2016, stopped 2022Trialling LDN - 0.5mg Not cognisant of tapering until joining Lyrica Survivors. 

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In a quandary - placed Lyrica taper on hold 11/21, still have the inner quivers, maybe aka I don't know and have to assume it's related to Lyrica.  Had intended taking 6/12 off in order to taper the Mirtazapine partially due to health issues.  Doing so will prolong my tapers for years as I'm following sage advice to wait 6/12 before tapering another medication.  Had a VERY brief read on the various medications causing akathisia and pregabalin is on the list, the treatment recommendations are Mirtazapine and a beta blocker.  My B/P will not tolerate a beta blocker, been there years ago for an entirely different reason, the BB lowered my B/P to dangerously low levels despite the low dose, hence the quandary.  So I guess it's back to the Pregab taper, still planning on waiting a couple of months just to see if these symptoms resolve.  

This ia a trial post just to see if I'm navigating SA correctly.  Feel free to comment.  Xx to my Fb cohorts.

Michele G:  my Intro topic

Poly drugged 20 yrs ADs & sleeping pills. 10 years Anxiolytic. 7 yrs Lyrica. 
Hx Valium 15mg <2.5mg 3x/day 12/20.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg CTd 3/2021 per Dr, reinstated 4/21 @ 15mg. Zopiclone 3.75 CTd 7/21 E-script glitch, didn’t resume. 2016 Lyrica 150mg 2x/day, < 100mg 2x/day 2016. Tapered to 50mg 2x/day 4/2021-10/21, taper on hold. Oxybutnin Patch 3.9mg started 2016, stopped 2022Trialling LDN - 0.5mg Not cognisant of tapering until joining Lyrica Survivors. 

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Hi Aussieblue and welcome to SA,

 

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This is your own Introduction topic which is the best place to ask questions specific to your own situation.  This keeps your history in one place and means that you do not have to repeat your story.

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

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ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

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Hi AB,

 

I found another Intro topic which you created that had not yet been responded to.  I have now merged the "old" one with your "newer" one so that is an extra post at the start of your topic.

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Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq    Post 0 updates start here

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions. 

Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you.

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10 hours ago, Aussieblue said:

In a quandary - placed Lyrica taper on hold 11/21, still have the inner quivers, maybe aka I don't know and have to assume it's related to Lyrica.  Had intended taking 6/12 off in order to taper the Mirtazapine partially due to health issues.  Doing so will prolong my tapers for years as I'm following sage advice to wait 6/12 before tapering another medication.  Had a VERY brief read on the various medications causing akathisia and pregabalin is on the list, the treatment recommendations are Mirtazapine and a beta blocker.  My B/P will not tolerate a beta blocker, been there years ago for an entirely different reason, the BB lowered my B/P to dangerously low levels despite the low dose, hence the quandary.  So I guess it's back to the Pregab taper, still planning on waiting a couple of months just to see if these symptoms resolve.  

This ia a trial post just to see if I'm navigating SA correctly.  Feel free to comment.  Xx to my Fb cohorts.

Hi Michele G,

From what I can see you have done this correctly.  Sorry you are still suffering akathisia. Nice to to see you here : - )  I'm missing our community feel. Take care xx

My Intro topic  

Insomnia following AZ vaccine April 21.

May 21-July 21-Began Lorazepam.  Withdrew as per Dr recommendations. (i now have learned that this was too fast)

August 21 diagnosed with Fibromyralgia and CFS and possible Ehlers Danlos

September 21- Started Pregabalin/Lyrica 150mg, upped to 250mg in the coming weeks, didn't like the way it made me feel so dropped to 200mg end Nov 21/start Dec 21 (as per Dr advice) found the survivors group, held there until

22nd Jan 22 began following Ashton Manual. Got to 88mg am and pm (176mg daily) 11th March.  Holding here atm as caught covid, and appears I have symptoms of long covid.

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Hi @Lovetobefree

In a perfect world you would not want to be on either pregabalin or mirtazipine  would you?  
However we know it is wise only to reduce on thing at a time if possible. 
We know Preg causes a lot of damage and I came off that before mirtazipine for that reason. 
The damage mirtazipine can cause can be reduced by preventing metabolic changes.  For me I had to keep my weight very steady and concentrate on keeping my lipids low til I tapered that.  I only had a few weeks between tapers because of complications with blood thinners but I would stilck to a longer gap if you can because coming off two quickly was a real shock to my anxiety levels.  
I do hope your confidence improves as thing go forward. 
Yours OldDodgy aka Dxxk 

My Intro topic.  Was Dickie in FB gabapentinoids 

2020 January Stopped Quetiapine 150 at night in a fairly chaotic fashion with holds, jumping at 6mg 

2020 June Stopped Pregabalin 150 at night using Ashton Method Some holds. 

2021 December Stopped Mirtazipine 15 using Ashton Method. (Slower at end). 

Nov 21 - Given Quetiapine 12.5 for sleep. Reduced mid March 2022 to 6mg - Off 30/5/22

Feb 2022 Ongoing Diazepam 17.5, Blip at Christmas when took 22.5mg for a few days, now 24 FEB Stable 17.5 as advised. Hold post Covid  Occasional PRN Oxazepam 10mg.STOPPED 10th FEB 2022  “Rescue dose x 2 in 2 months. 

Buccastem 3mg less than 1 a month for nausea. 

Past meds since 1969 -Approx dates only available. Tranxene 15, Clomipramine 150 for about 25 years. 1993 Paroxetine 20 AD change. Diazepam 20mg swap from Tranxene.

Oxazepam 10mg Prn since 1990's  1995 Trial of MAOIS. 2000 Escitaopram 10mg. 2015 trial of Trazadone. 2004 Pregabalin 150 at night.

2015 Started on Quetiapine 150 note, Mirtazipine 15 note. Diazepam increased to 30mg split dosing. 

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Hey @Aussieblue

Good to see you!  I'm sorry you are still struggling. I know my whole pregabilin taper I felt like I had quivers inside. And some outside lol I had a lot of twitches. Now almost 2 years off and they are almost all gone.  Hang in there I hope you feel better soon XO 

MJF

MerryJayneFriday

Polydrugged for many years after dx of Failed Back surgery.   Tapered from Lyrica from 2016 to 2020

Quit 10 mg oxycontin Sept 2021

currently taking 5mg oxycodone every 4 to 5 hours

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Hi @Aussieblue

i think I messed up replying to Lovetobefree, meaning to reply to your post. It’s an age thing-apologies. 
I hope you found it and it may help-(( 

Good to see you 

OD 

My Intro topic.  Was Dickie in FB gabapentinoids 

2020 January Stopped Quetiapine 150 at night in a fairly chaotic fashion with holds, jumping at 6mg 

2020 June Stopped Pregabalin 150 at night using Ashton Method Some holds. 

2021 December Stopped Mirtazipine 15 using Ashton Method. (Slower at end). 

Nov 21 - Given Quetiapine 12.5 for sleep. Reduced mid March 2022 to 6mg - Off 30/5/22

Feb 2022 Ongoing Diazepam 17.5, Blip at Christmas when took 22.5mg for a few days, now 24 FEB Stable 17.5 as advised. Hold post Covid  Occasional PRN Oxazepam 10mg.STOPPED 10th FEB 2022  “Rescue dose x 2 in 2 months. 

Buccastem 3mg less than 1 a month for nausea. 

Past meds since 1969 -Approx dates only available. Tranxene 15, Clomipramine 150 for about 25 years. 1993 Paroxetine 20 AD change. Diazepam 20mg swap from Tranxene.

Oxazepam 10mg Prn since 1990's  1995 Trial of MAOIS. 2000 Escitaopram 10mg. 2015 trial of Trazadone. 2004 Pregabalin 150 at night.

2015 Started on Quetiapine 150 note, Mirtazipine 15 note. Diazepam increased to 30mg split dosing. 

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Aussieblue

 

Hello everyone,  had an appointment with a doctor yesterday regarding tapering Mirtazapine. Despite appraising him of the guidelines was advised to drop my dose of 15mg by 25%. Have no intention of following this advice. My intent is to reduce to 7.5mg, a more tolerable dose for me. The taper will not take place for awhile. Am planning on asking my GP for a prescription for oral disintegrating as opposed to the tablet form I’m currently on. The brand will most probably be a different generic version. 

My question:  Would it be wise to change to the different form of the medication prior to commencing my taper to allow my body time to adjust?  


 

 

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Michele G:  my Intro topic

Poly drugged 20 yrs ADs & sleeping pills. 10 years Anxiolytic. 7 yrs Lyrica. 
Hx Valium 15mg <2.5mg 3x/day 12/20.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg CTd 3/2021 per Dr, reinstated 4/21 @ 15mg. Zopiclone 3.75 CTd 7/21 E-script glitch, didn’t resume. 2016 Lyrica 150mg 2x/day, < 100mg 2x/day 2016. Tapered to 50mg 2x/day 4/2021-10/21, taper on hold. Oxybutnin Patch 3.9mg started 2016, stopped 2022Trialling LDN - 0.5mg Not cognisant of tapering until joining Lyrica Survivors. 

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I've moved your new topic to your Introduction topic.  Each member has only ONE Introduction topic.  The reason for this is as follows:

 

On 2/20/2022 at 12:39 PM, ChessieCat said:

This is your own Introduction topic which is the best place to ask questions specific to your own situation.  This keeps your history in one place and means that you do not have to repeat your story.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Aussieblue said:

My question:  Would it be wise to change to the different form of the medication prior to commencing my taper to allow my body time to adjust?

 

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Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome and its Management

 

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED:    (6 year taper)      0mg Pristiq      on 13th November 2021

Woohoo!!!  Finally off Pristiq    Post 0 updates start here

ADs since ~1992:  25+ years - 1 unknown, Prozac (muscle weakness), Zoloft; citalopram (pooped out) CTed (very sick for 2.5 wks a few months after); Pristiq:  50mg 2012, 100mg beg 2013 (Serotonin Toxicity)  Tapering from Oct 2015 - 13 Nov 2021   LAST DOSE 0.0025mg

My full tapering program     My Intro (goes to my tapering graph)    My website

PLEASE NOTE:  I am not a medical professional.  I provide information and make suggestions. 

Please DO NOT TAG me - thank you.

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@Aussieblue

i think it would be wise to go to the dispersing ones if they won’t do the liquid. As you will be making up a liquid I think the advice is to take it with a snack for even absorption. 
if it was me I would certainly get used to the generic switch before reducing. 
I was less tense on 7.5 and even better on 3.75. I took it down a bit quick to start but had a long hold. 
Try not to overthink it. 
all the best 

Are you holding the lyrica still? 

 

OD 

My Intro topic.  Was Dickie in FB gabapentinoids 

2020 January Stopped Quetiapine 150 at night in a fairly chaotic fashion with holds, jumping at 6mg 

2020 June Stopped Pregabalin 150 at night using Ashton Method Some holds. 

2021 December Stopped Mirtazipine 15 using Ashton Method. (Slower at end). 

Nov 21 - Given Quetiapine 12.5 for sleep. Reduced mid March 2022 to 6mg - Off 30/5/22

Feb 2022 Ongoing Diazepam 17.5, Blip at Christmas when took 22.5mg for a few days, now 24 FEB Stable 17.5 as advised. Hold post Covid  Occasional PRN Oxazepam 10mg.STOPPED 10th FEB 2022  “Rescue dose x 2 in 2 months. 

Buccastem 3mg less than 1 a month for nausea. 

Past meds since 1969 -Approx dates only available. Tranxene 15, Clomipramine 150 for about 25 years. 1993 Paroxetine 20 AD change. Diazepam 20mg swap from Tranxene.

Oxazepam 10mg Prn since 1990's  1995 Trial of MAOIS. 2000 Escitaopram 10mg. 2015 trial of Trazadone. 2004 Pregabalin 150 at night.

2015 Started on Quetiapine 150 note, Mirtazipine 15 note. Diazepam increased to 30mg split dosing. 

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Hi Old Dodgy, 

4 minutes ago, OldDodgy said:

@Aussieblue

i think it would be wise to go to the dispersing ones if they won’t do the liquid. As you will be making up a liquid I think the advice is to take it with a snack for even absorption. 
if it was me I would certainly get used to the generic switch before reducing. 
I was less tense on 7.5 and even better on 3.75. I took it down a bit quick to start but had a long hold. 
Try not to overthink it. 
all the best 

Are you holding the lyrica still? 

 

OD 

 

4 minutes ago, OldDodgy said:

@Aussieblue

i think it would be wise to go to the dispersing ones if they won’t do the liquid. As you will be making up a liquid I think the advice is to take it with a snack for even absorption. 
if it was me I would certainly get used to the generic switch before reducing. 
I was less tense on 7.5 and even better on 3.75. I took it down a bit quick to start but had a long hold. 
Try not to overthink it. 
all the best 

Are you holding the lyrica still? 

 

OD 

Hi OldDodgy - the liquid isn’t available here so am asking for an Rx of the OD. The game plan at present is to transition over to the OD, then when I’m ready to taper trial a liquid made with the OD & H2O for awhile, then reduce. TBH haven’t felt myself the entire time I’ve been on 15mg - actually have no motivation & feel devoid of any emotion. Wasn’t like this on 7.5mg. Saw this particular doc in a professional capacity, so he could write a letter to the GP as she will not listen to me regarding Mirt!!  He believes I’m not suited to ADs period.  Lyrica taper remains on hold. Am still playing around with LDN - yet to find the correct dose. Thank you for your advice, I shall follow it to the letter. Hope all is well with you.  Stay safe & take care xx

Michele G:  my Intro topic

Poly drugged 20 yrs ADs & sleeping pills. 10 years Anxiolytic. 7 yrs Lyrica. 
Hx Valium 15mg <2.5mg 3x/day 12/20.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg CTd 3/2021 per Dr, reinstated 4/21 @ 15mg. Zopiclone 3.75 CTd 7/21 E-script glitch, didn’t resume. 2016 Lyrica 150mg 2x/day, < 100mg 2x/day 2016. Tapered to 50mg 2x/day 4/2021-10/21, taper on hold. Oxybutnin Patch 3.9mg started 2016, stopped 2022Trialling LDN - 0.5mg Not cognisant of tapering until joining Lyrica Survivors. 

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@Aussieblue

Frankly I think is a very odd drug. I didn’t like it’s effect on my metabolism, guts or my heart. It gave me profound bradycardia.  

. I have one friend who finds it keeps him calm and if he reduces it it becomes irritable. 

I also agree with you that many of us don’t benefit from ADs. 
Yours 

OldDodgy 
 

My Intro topic.  Was Dickie in FB gabapentinoids 

2020 January Stopped Quetiapine 150 at night in a fairly chaotic fashion with holds, jumping at 6mg 

2020 June Stopped Pregabalin 150 at night using Ashton Method Some holds. 

2021 December Stopped Mirtazipine 15 using Ashton Method. (Slower at end). 

Nov 21 - Given Quetiapine 12.5 for sleep. Reduced mid March 2022 to 6mg - Off 30/5/22

Feb 2022 Ongoing Diazepam 17.5, Blip at Christmas when took 22.5mg for a few days, now 24 FEB Stable 17.5 as advised. Hold post Covid  Occasional PRN Oxazepam 10mg.STOPPED 10th FEB 2022  “Rescue dose x 2 in 2 months. 

Buccastem 3mg less than 1 a month for nausea. 

Past meds since 1969 -Approx dates only available. Tranxene 15, Clomipramine 150 for about 25 years. 1993 Paroxetine 20 AD change. Diazepam 20mg swap from Tranxene.

Oxazepam 10mg Prn since 1990's  1995 Trial of MAOIS. 2000 Escitaopram 10mg. 2015 trial of Trazadone. 2004 Pregabalin 150 at night.

2015 Started on Quetiapine 150 note, Mirtazipine 15 note. Diazepam increased to 30mg split dosing. 

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20 years ago after taking myself off to see a psychiatrist as I didn’t know how to grieve was briefly placed on Mirt dosage unknown. The compulsive eating along with elevated triglycerides warranted immediate cessation. This time around Lyrica brain is my excuse for taking the abysmal medication!!  At 7.5mg it’s tolerable and doesn’t cause any overt health issues, mind you I’ve refused to have my triglycerides checked since being on 15mg!!  Possibly playing with fire, statins are not an option.   
 

Rest well OD. 

Michele G:  my Intro topic

Poly drugged 20 yrs ADs & sleeping pills. 10 years Anxiolytic. 7 yrs Lyrica. 
Hx Valium 15mg <2.5mg 3x/day 12/20.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg CTd 3/2021 per Dr, reinstated 4/21 @ 15mg. Zopiclone 3.75 CTd 7/21 E-script glitch, didn’t resume. 2016 Lyrica 150mg 2x/day, < 100mg 2x/day 2016. Tapered to 50mg 2x/day 4/2021-10/21, taper on hold. Oxybutnin Patch 3.9mg started 2016, stopped 2022Trialling LDN - 0.5mg Not cognisant of tapering until joining Lyrica Survivors. 

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Aussieblue here again - hopefully this post is in the right place. 
 
Still experiencing inner aka, so it appears the only way to eliminate this symptom is to eradicate Lyrica entirely from my system via taper. If anyone has any tips pertaining to inner aka I’d love to hear from you. Cheers. 

Michele G:  my Intro topic

Poly drugged 20 yrs ADs & sleeping pills. 10 years Anxiolytic. 7 yrs Lyrica. 
Hx Valium 15mg <2.5mg 3x/day 12/20.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg CTd 3/2021 per Dr, reinstated 4/21 @ 15mg. Zopiclone 3.75 CTd 7/21 E-script glitch, didn’t resume. 2016 Lyrica 150mg 2x/day, < 100mg 2x/day 2016. Tapered to 50mg 2x/day 4/2021-10/21, taper on hold. Oxybutnin Patch 3.9mg started 2016, stopped 2022Trialling LDN - 0.5mg Not cognisant of tapering until joining Lyrica Survivors. 

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Aussieblue here aka Michele G from FB site

 

Hi All,

 

Somewhat perturbed....saw a post on another site yesterday and I believe it's related to benzodiazepines as opposed to gabapentinoids.  The person indicated if you place your taper on hold for an extended period of time withdrawal symptoms from Lyrica will be worse.  Am aware with benzos when decreasing your dose holding too long may well have adverse effects.  My Lyrica taper is on hold so I can do a partial taper off Mirtazapine from 15mg to 7.5mg as the AD is causing health issues.  I've developed a head bobble, worsening hand tremor along with other issues.  Am so not mentally prepared for a Lyrica taper again. Thanks in advance for your guidance.  And I hope I'm posting correctly so my medication history is visible

 

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Michele G:  my Intro topic

Poly drugged 20 yrs ADs & sleeping pills. 10 years Anxiolytic. 7 yrs Lyrica. 
Hx Valium 15mg <2.5mg 3x/day 12/20.

Mirtazapine 7.5mg CTd 3/2021 per Dr, reinstated 4/21 @ 15mg. Zopiclone 3.75 CTd 7/21 E-script glitch, didn’t resume. 2016 Lyrica 150mg 2x/day, < 100mg 2x/day 2016. Tapered to 50mg 2x/day 4/2021-10/21, taper on hold. Oxybutnin Patch 3.9mg started 2016, stopped 2022Trialling LDN - 0.5mg Not cognisant of tapering until joining Lyrica Survivors. 

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