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You can but it is difficult to do 'psychological work' in the throes of wd and while still on some meds. The neuro emotions you are finding out about are hard to distinguish and they cloud the issue, they seem so real and true. I found that some of the insights I thought I had gained during wd just did not stick till I was past some of the worst of the disordered thinking of 'neuros'.

 

I also found this, posted by Brandy, about charcoal:

 

http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/7900-warning-about-juice-bars-and-cocktail-bars-yes-really-activated-charcoal/

 

Reading and thinking about all of this stuff is one of the more important things you can do. And then "Change the Channel" (look that one up).

Yes, I do a lot of reading and thinking...

I used to feel guilty as people would say I over-dramatise things. And I know I do, but somehow cannot stop...I did not understand why I was unable just correct my feelings...

Hopefully, I will feel less guilty now, but I also hope I will not use this as excuse...

 

I have been in therapy for some time now, and I think my therapist will find this concept interesting.

Yes, the neuro-emotion cloud perception so much...i thought I have been like that as I was still responding through childhood trauma, but it is clearer now that my emotions are related to chemical imbalance...not all of them, but definitely at present...

 

This is intersting about charcoal...i think that it helped me on 26th december, as I was definitely poisoned by the coctail of meds (i know today that I tried to deal with side effects by getting more meds for them). When I came back from the emergency I took a double dose of charcoal...

I am so pleased that I never took medication that was given to me...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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ikam

Yes, I read about changing the channel...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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LexAnger

Light touch skin massage on thenack seems helps a little. My needles are mostly from upper body all the way to the entire head.

Swim is the best of all I tried if that is available. My symptoms are always starts from the moment I wake up and get better or completely disappears later of the day. Sometimes I have to go for a immediate rescue massage when it's too intolerable feeling my heart is failing from it. You don't need a professional to do the massage/touch, anyone at home is just as good.


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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LexAnger

oh, to be accurate, lots times the needles starts when I start dosing at 10am, highly associated with the dosing time.


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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ikam

Light touch skin massage on thenack seems helps a little. My needles are mostly from upper body all the way to the entire head.

Swim is the best of all I tried if that is available. My symptoms are always starts from the moment I wake up and get better or completely disappears later of the day. Sometimes I have to go for a immediate rescue massage when it's too intolerable feeling my heart is failing from it. You don't need a professional to do the massage/touch, anyone at home is just as good.

Thank you. What you experience seems similar to my symptoms. I have more symptoms in upper body, but mostly in my hands. I get the weird feeling in my upper spine and sometimes lips...it is the worst in the morning, it is almost none or none in the evening...

 

I will look if I can go to the swimming pool here, but without buing a full membership...

I was dancing today at home and it helped...but I have a bit of headache now...

 

I am on my own at home...but I have a massager somewhere...i need to find it...

 

I was also thinking to get some phisio for my headaches...

 

It is so good to talk, thank you...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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ikam

oh, to be accurate, lots times the needles starts when I start dosing at 10am, highly associated with the dosing time.

What do you mean? That they start when you take your dose?


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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LexAnger

Just a quick reply before I go for work. I meant the needle sensation usually is triggered by taking the med. in fact, I have to take the med over a period of 2 hours to make the needles tolerable.

 

Only ppl massage works for me, not the machine.

 

I have been having 24/7 head symptoms, numb, swelling, pain, pressure for years.


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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ikam

Just a quick reply before I go for work. I meant the needle sensation usually is triggered by taking the med. in fact, I have to take the med over a period of 2 hours to make the needles tolerable.

Only ppl massage works for me, not the machine.

I have been having 24/7 head symptoms, numb, swelling, pain, pressure for years.

Thank you :)


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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ikam

See this and this for suggestions on what foods to eat and what foods to avoid when you have diarrhea. At the second link, see if he has anything to say about a diet for IBS and report it here in your thread, ok?

 

And instead of risking problems with your meds by adding charcoal or another course of loperamide, try the diet stuff first.

I have been on a diet for a long time...there is very little I can eat. I ordered a book with something called FODMAP diet.

FODMAPs are short chain carbohydrates (oligosaccharides), disaccharides, monosaccharides and related alcohols that are poorly absorbed in the small intestine. These include short chain (oligo-) saccharide polymers of fructose (fructans) and galactose (galactans), disaccharides (lactose), monosaccharides (fructose), and sugar alcohols (polyols) such as sorbitol, mannitol, xylitol and maltitol.

 

The term FODMAP is an acronym, deriving from "Fermentable, Oligo-, Di-, Mono-saccharides And Polyols." These carbohydrates are commonly found in the modern western diet. The restriction of these FODMAPs from the diet has been found to have a beneficial effect for sufferers of irritable bowel syndrome and other functional gastrointestinal disorders (FGID). The low FODMAP diet was developed at Monash University in Melbourne by Peter Gibson and Susan Shepherd.Since its development, the diet has been studied for its efficacy for individuals with FGID and is now considered beneficial to be commonly recommended for individuals with FGID.

 

It is really intersting that I intuitively avoid foods stated below and also eat the right stuff.

Strangely enough I cannot use any probiotics and food with too much fiber...

But I found something I will try which is blackberry root bark. I will also look in the carob products.

 

 

As it is stated that people with diarrhea should also avoid certain foods that trigger or worsen symptoms. These include:

 

Milk and other dairy products

Caffeine

Greasy and fatty foods

Spicy foods

Alcohol

 

On the other hand, some foods are better tolerated, such as:

 

Bananas

Boiled potatoes

Cooked carrots

Cooked chicken

Plain rice

Toast

 

Although avoiding high-fiber foods during a bout of diarrhea can ease symptoms, fiber can help reduce the severity of chronic diarrhea (such as that caused by IBS) by adding bulk to stools.

 

Dr. Weil recommends a number of safe, effective remedies for diarrhea:

 

Follow the "BRAT" diet, an acronym for bananas, rice, applesauce and toast. These foods should be added to the diet; they should not replace a normal, well-balanced diet.

 

Carob powder can help soothe irritated intestines. Start with one tablespoon, mixed with some applesauce and honey to make it palatable. Take it on an empty stomach.

 

Blackberry root bark (Rubus macropetalus) contains tannins, which have a desirable astringent action on the intestinal lining. Take a teaspoon of tincture in water every two to four hours.

 

Probiotics help repopulate the digestive tract with healthy bacteria. Take one tablespoon of the liquid culture or one to two capsules with meals unless the label directs otherwise.

 

It is particularly important to take probiotics twice a day, with meals, as soon as you begin taking antibiotics. Continue the twice-daily ingestion of probiotics for a few days after completing the course of antibiotics.


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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LexAnger

A short break from work..

I know exactly what you mean about the weird sasention. I can't find a word in the current medical dictionary for it, very uncomfortable, moves around every few minutes, so incredible.


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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ikam

A short break from work..

I know exactly what you mean about the weird sasention. I can't find a word in the current medical dictionary for it, very uncomfortable, moves around every few minutes, so incredible.

But I see you can work, this is good...

I am going to restart working soon, after almost two months break, a bit worried as tbe symptons get worse when I am tired...

 

Yes, the senasation moves around. Yesterday, I had it in my right leg...i had a serious surgery there two years ago and some of the nerves are damaged there...i have no problem with it, but yesterday felt stranger...

Also, I noticed that if I sit for longer some oarts of my body get numb, or pins and needels, it could be my back, or bum or groin...

 

I was dancing a bit today and it seemed helpful...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Seems like we are a good match partner in terms of symptoms from the same med experience.

Good interpretation on my working ability, the fact is, I have been working from home most of days managing a big team for multiple projects. My main work is on emails, and meetings. I'm so familiar with the work so it does not require too much new learning. I do more when I feel better during the day to catch up. I know for a fact if I have to go to office regular hours I won't be able to keep the job. My managers are very understanding and supportive to allow me doing so. I did not dare to jump back form a short time use of high dose for this reason that I don't want to risk to be completely disabled.

 

Being able to dance (both mentally and physically) is a good sigh too. When I can dance, it means I'm in a pretty good shape for that moment.


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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cymbaltawithdrawal5600

 

I go to so calle "Five rhytms classes", this is an amazing experience of going from stillness, through chaos to deep relaxation...

 

One of our members (she is also a mod) is a great fan of the 5rhythms. She posted about it here and on her very informative blog beyondmeds


What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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Tilly

Thanks for catching the info on charcoal, Tilly, but please be cautious about recommending other drugs. The doctor just might hand out a script for loperamide (Immodium) on request and here's what the drug interactions checker says:

 

 

interaction-2-big.png doxepin ↔ loperamide

Applies to: doxepin, loperamide

Using loperamide together with doxepin may increase side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with these medications. Also avoid activities requiring mental alertness such as driving or operating hazardous machinery until you know how the medications affect you. Doxepin may also increase the effects of loperamide on your intestines. Contact your doctor if you experience abdominal cramping or bloating during treatment with these medications. It is important to tell your doctor about all other medications you use, including vitamins and herbs. Do not stop using any medications without first talking to your doctor.

Hi Cymbalta,

 

I did not recommend drugs, I advised that Ikam remove a harmful supplement that she self medicated with and manage her IBS with a prescribed medication by her GP. If the prescribed medication interacts with other medications, this is something that Ikam needs to take up with her GP as her GP should have considered this prior to prescribing in the interest of Ikam's health.

 

I have since checked my own medications with the tool that you used and discovered interactions with my own medications (including loperimide for IBS). Which means that my GP has also not prescribed based on informed knowledge.

 

In terms of the interaction checker tool, it also missed out on a lot of interactions in relation to charcoal, which you also missed out on and based your advice on, so in itself, it is not 100% reliable.

 

My advice was informed by professional experience. I did not recommend the introduction of new drugs. I advised that self prescribed drugs be discontinued due to interaction with prescribed drugs.

 

I felt that it was important to clarify.

 

Tilly


1999 - 2004 Paroxetine 20mg  -> 2004 - 2007 Citalopram 20mg -> 2007 -  short term Trazedone use (insomnia) -> 2007 - 2009 Fluoxetine 20mg  ->

2009 - Jan 2012 Citalopram 20mg  (Spring / Summer 2012 protracted withdrawal & related agoraphobia) -> 2012 - September Restarted Citalopram - unbearable start up effects. Discontinued in under 1 week -> Oct 12 -   October 2014 Escitalopram - 10mg prescribed. Started on 5mg and worked up to 10mg in 2.5mg increments  -> Oct 2014  - 5mg; 30/03/15 2.5mg; 15/04/15 3.5mg; 20/05/15 2.9mg;  19/09/15 2.8mg; 30/10/15 2.7mg; 13/11/15 2.6mg. Holding until March.

Diet:  mostly pescatarianl & lots of veg. Weekly offal for b vitamins.  Turmeric, nigella seeds, avocados, apple cider vinegar, coconut products daily. Lots of fluids: water, lemon juice, coconut water, herbal & green tea (decaffeinated).

Supplements: vitamin C 4000mg, Omega 3 fish oil - high DPA & EHA, vitamin E 400iu, vitamin D3 5000mg (Winter only - from sun in Spring / Summer), probiotics.

Current Symptoms: chronic fatigue, erratic sleep, extreme photophobia, eye floaters, noise sensitivity, tinnitus, cognitive & speech difficulties, dizziness, irregular gait, poor co ordination, severe facial and upper body muscle tension, head and neck pressure.

Coping Strategies: good nutrition, cooking, gardening & growing my own food, cycling, dancing, yoga, photography, sewing & creative pursuits, self massage, pampering, meditation, journalling, nature, cuddling cats & humans, laughter & humour, gratitude, self care, aromatherapy, audio books, word games & believing in myself, my potential and my future.

 

"Everything I need is within me" - Shakti Gawain

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Hi Ikam,

 

As a fellow IBS sufferer, I would advise that you stay away from any sugar substitutes as they all have laxative / toxic properties.

 

In terms of diet, I have found that high protein and vegetable based meals cause the least discomfort. If I eat carbohydrates, I only eat them with vegetables and no protein as this is easier on the digestive system.

 

I do not drink milk or caffeine, which has proved beneficial to my anxiety levels and reducing diarrhea and abdominal discomfort.

 

Peppermint tea is very good for digestion as is massaging your tummy or a hot water bottle to relax it.

 

I still use imodium for chronic episodes of diarrhea as I would not be able to function otherwise for several days on end. People who do not suffer IBS find this hard to understand, but I fully empathise.

 

Please check with your GP about loperimide and interactions raised on your thread and discuss a way forward with your GP. 

 

I hope that some of these suggestions are helpful to you.

 

Be kind to yourself.

 

Tilly x


1999 - 2004 Paroxetine 20mg  -> 2004 - 2007 Citalopram 20mg -> 2007 -  short term Trazedone use (insomnia) -> 2007 - 2009 Fluoxetine 20mg  ->

2009 - Jan 2012 Citalopram 20mg  (Spring / Summer 2012 protracted withdrawal & related agoraphobia) -> 2012 - September Restarted Citalopram - unbearable start up effects. Discontinued in under 1 week -> Oct 12 -   October 2014 Escitalopram - 10mg prescribed. Started on 5mg and worked up to 10mg in 2.5mg increments  -> Oct 2014  - 5mg; 30/03/15 2.5mg; 15/04/15 3.5mg; 20/05/15 2.9mg;  19/09/15 2.8mg; 30/10/15 2.7mg; 13/11/15 2.6mg. Holding until March.

Diet:  mostly pescatarianl & lots of veg. Weekly offal for b vitamins.  Turmeric, nigella seeds, avocados, apple cider vinegar, coconut products daily. Lots of fluids: water, lemon juice, coconut water, herbal & green tea (decaffeinated).

Supplements: vitamin C 4000mg, Omega 3 fish oil - high DPA & EHA, vitamin E 400iu, vitamin D3 5000mg (Winter only - from sun in Spring / Summer), probiotics.

Current Symptoms: chronic fatigue, erratic sleep, extreme photophobia, eye floaters, noise sensitivity, tinnitus, cognitive & speech difficulties, dizziness, irregular gait, poor co ordination, severe facial and upper body muscle tension, head and neck pressure.

Coping Strategies: good nutrition, cooking, gardening & growing my own food, cycling, dancing, yoga, photography, sewing & creative pursuits, self massage, pampering, meditation, journalling, nature, cuddling cats & humans, laughter & humour, gratitude, self care, aromatherapy, audio books, word games & believing in myself, my potential and my future.

 

"Everything I need is within me" - Shakti Gawain

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I go to so calle "Five rhytms classes", this is an amazing experience of going from stillness, through chaos to deep relaxation...

 

 

One of our members (she is also a mod) is a great fan of the 5rhythms. She posted about it here and on her very informative blog beyondmeds

Thisis such a great and freeing experience. Before five rhythms I concidered myself unable to dance. But now, I enjoy it a lot...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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I am unsure if I have ibs or something else.

 

The symptom is loose, yellowish and foul-smelling stool, seems with excess of fat, sometimes floating in a toilet. Lots of gas. I had this problem after stopping effexor. This is beginning to be very similar.

I don't eat a lot of fat...but maybe I need to eliminate all fat?

 

I don't want to talk to doctor about this, as previously they put me on pancreatic enzymes.

Somebody helped me afterwards with supplements, but she is not in the uk anymore.

 

I have just found and intersting webpage on charcoal, hope it is ok to send a link here. It looks that high doses of it are used in pancreatic problems. http://www.charcoalremedies.com/thrash


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Hi Ikam,

 

You could call NHS direct on 111 for advice on your digestive problems (you don't have to give your name or any details if you prefer not to). You could also go to a local NHS walk in centre if you don't feel comfortable speaking to your GP about it yet. 

 

I have found speaking to my local pharmacist about the drugs that I am taking useful in the past. You could speak to your local pharmacy about the drugs you are taking and they can advise you about any interactions. Just Google the number of your local pharmacy and call and ask to speak to a pharmacist for advice. I have always found pharmacists very willing to help and they are much more knowledgeable about medications than GPs. The advice that they give you may help you when you next visit your GP.

 

I really would advise against trying to self diagnose your digestive issues. Your body is in a very sensitive state and you would benefit from medical advice. If you are having regular diarrhea, your body can get dehydrated and you will not be absorbing nutrients that you need from food. It may also cause you to have problems absorbing your medication. 

 

Please stay away from the charcoal. It reduces / cancels the effectiveness of medications.

 

Let us know how you get on.

Take care

Tilly 


1999 - 2004 Paroxetine 20mg  -> 2004 - 2007 Citalopram 20mg -> 2007 -  short term Trazedone use (insomnia) -> 2007 - 2009 Fluoxetine 20mg  ->

2009 - Jan 2012 Citalopram 20mg  (Spring / Summer 2012 protracted withdrawal & related agoraphobia) -> 2012 - September Restarted Citalopram - unbearable start up effects. Discontinued in under 1 week -> Oct 12 -   October 2014 Escitalopram - 10mg prescribed. Started on 5mg and worked up to 10mg in 2.5mg increments  -> Oct 2014  - 5mg; 30/03/15 2.5mg; 15/04/15 3.5mg; 20/05/15 2.9mg;  19/09/15 2.8mg; 30/10/15 2.7mg; 13/11/15 2.6mg. Holding until March.

Diet:  mostly pescatarianl & lots of veg. Weekly offal for b vitamins.  Turmeric, nigella seeds, avocados, apple cider vinegar, coconut products daily. Lots of fluids: water, lemon juice, coconut water, herbal & green tea (decaffeinated).

Supplements: vitamin C 4000mg, Omega 3 fish oil - high DPA & EHA, vitamin E 400iu, vitamin D3 5000mg (Winter only - from sun in Spring / Summer), probiotics.

Current Symptoms: chronic fatigue, erratic sleep, extreme photophobia, eye floaters, noise sensitivity, tinnitus, cognitive & speech difficulties, dizziness, irregular gait, poor co ordination, severe facial and upper body muscle tension, head and neck pressure.

Coping Strategies: good nutrition, cooking, gardening & growing my own food, cycling, dancing, yoga, photography, sewing & creative pursuits, self massage, pampering, meditation, journalling, nature, cuddling cats & humans, laughter & humour, gratitude, self care, aromatherapy, audio books, word games & believing in myself, my potential and my future.

 

"Everything I need is within me" - Shakti Gawain

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Hi Tilly,

 

I have no trust with NHS based services. I called 111 when my symptoms were getting worse after the emergency visit. She was very nice, did assessment for stroke and advised to get back to the doctor who prescribed me medication for dizziness (I checked this myself, it was neuroleptic that would interact with my meds). I did not go, I was monitoring my symptoms, did everything not to fall asleep, so I could be alert if anything happened...

 

I did use the walk in centres before, most of the time there are trained for this purpose nurses...(i think my problem is too complex for walk in centre)...

I used to ask questions at the pharmacy, they would follow nhs based guidlines...

 

I am not diagnosing myself, but they did not help me with this problem at all, either prescribing pancreatic enzymes that were far too strong or stating that I have "just ibs"...i was seen by a consultant gastro and he said I have ibs...

I also have helicobacter...and stomach ulceration...

It seems something has not been quite right with esophagus since I .started using escitalopram...

 

Also, PPI may contribute to diarrhea...

 

I also went for assessment in my country, but they tend to over-prescribe.

 

I used to be under care of a naturopath and she helped me with this problem, treting leaky gut condition.

Until now, I was doing moreless ok...

 

When I started escitalopram, the problem was gone. Now, when tappering it has been back and exactly the same as with effexor...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Hi Ikam,

 

As a fellow IBS sufferer, I would advise that you stay away from any sugar substitutes as they all have laxative / toxic properties.

 

In terms of diet, I have found that high protein and vegetable based meals cause the least discomfort. If I eat carbohydrates, I only eat them with vegetables and no protein as this is easier on the digestive system.

 

I do not drink milk or caffeine, which has proved beneficial to my anxiety levels and reducing diarrhea and abdominal discomfort.

 

Peppermint tea is very good for digestion as is massaging your tummy or a hot water bottle to relax it.

 

I still use imodium for chronic episodes of diarrhea as I would not be able to function otherwise for several days on end. People who do not suffer IBS find this hard to understand, but I fully empathise.

 

Please check with your GP about loperimide and interactions raised on your thread and discuss a way forward with your GP. 

 

I hope that some of these suggestions are helpful to you.

 

Be kind to yourself.

 

Tilly x

Tilly,

 

I value what you say, but:

I tried to explain to the emergency doctor about my medication and interaction, he only prescribed something that would make my problem worse...

My doctor herself prescribed meds that interact...

I rather be in control myself and check everything what they prescribe...

 

Tilly, I trusted doctors too much, until now...

If I carried on with their suggestions I would be possibly dead by now or dealing with serotonin syndrome...

I started tappering myself, and I am not going to ask my doctor about this, as she will possibly object...

 

My father was a doctor, and I was on antibiotics twice a year, because he was just a medic...trained that time that antibiotics fix everything...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Seems like we are a good match partner in terms of symptoms from the same med experience.

Good interpretation on my working ability, the fact is, I have been working from home most of days managing a big team for multiple projects. My main work is on emails, and meetings. I'm so familiar with the work so it does not require too much new learning. I do more when I feel better during the day to catch up. I know for a fact if I have to go to office regular hours I won't be able to keep the job. My managers are very understanding and supportive to allow me doing so. I did not dare to jump back form a short time use of high dose for this reason that I don't want to risk to be completely disabled.

Being able to dance (both mentally and physically) is a good sigh too. When I can dance, it means I'm in a pretty good shape for that moment.

I used to work from home, but it felt rather lonely.

I hope I will maspnage somehow to travel and stay 8 hours at work. I am a bit concerned as it will add extra stress. But if I dont work, it will also add extra stress, as I rely only on myself...

 

I have no paresthesia today, very little in the morning.

 

And how are you? It is good to talk to you. Thank you :)


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Note to Tilly:

 

I neglected to add charcoal to the DI checker, it wither slipped my mind or I neglected its importance.

 

The drug checker has some infuriating limitations: some drugs are just not in there and neither are some supplements. This might be because there has been no info on a particular combo. And as we have seen, the docs aren't so good at checking things before they write scripts. I also don't like that you cant add in foods you suspect may be interacting, it won't work that way. It has to be one or more chemicals and I never think of charcoal as a chemical is why I don't think to add it. To me it is 'inert' but it is not, really.

 

Here's the advice to Ikam I addressed:

 

 

Hi Ikam,

 

<snip>

 

Manage your IBS with loperimide (Imodium) and diet

 

 If docs do not check for interactions when  person presents with a complaint such as Ikam's or she requests a med someone told her about, that is how these interactions can happen. Turns out Ikam had already been taking it. That is why I try not to ever suggest meds to a poster for any reason.

 

Ikam, did you ever do a dr.google search for the quality of your stools and see where that gets you?


What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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I searched on "loose, yellowish and foul-smelling stool, seems with excess of fat, sometimes floating in a toilet. Lots of gas." and came up with a place to start:

 

An Overview of Malabsorption.


What happened and how I arrived here: http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/4243-cymbaltawithdrawal5600-introduction/#entry50878

 

July 2016 I have decided to leave my story here at SA unfinished. I have left my contact information in my profile for anyone who wishes to talk to me. I have a posting history spanning nearly 4 years and 3000+ posts all over the site.

 

Thank you to all who participated in my recovery. I'll miss talking to you but know that I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines, suffering and rejoicing with you in spirit, as you go on in your journey.

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Nice talking to you too ikam! I'm glad you got a break today. Hope it last a long while.


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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I searched on "loose, yellowish and foul-smelling stool, seems with excess of fat, sometimes floating in a toilet. Lots of gas." and came up with a place to start:

 

An Overview of Malabsorption.

Thank you. I did look on google, but somehow my attention always goes to the worst possible scenarion and catasthrophy...and of course I thought it was pancreatic failure...

 

You found something I did see but did not even read (this is the trick our mind plays with me; I always look for illness...)...

 

What you found sounds just like me...

And even my naturopath was thinking in this lines treating me for leaky gut syndrome...

 

No doctors ever suggested anything like this...they also tend to patologise everything...

 

Hmmm, so what now???

 

I went today to my organic shop, bought carob powder and carob based spread...some nice fish, and other things...

Pity I cannot really eat veg, apart from carrot and potatoes. They just go through me fast...

I am waiting for my fodmap cooking book...but I also cannot take diary products...

 

So I am not getting enough vitamins and nutrition...

I try to eat honey, walnuts..

IT is usually trial and error with me...

 

Are there any supplements I could try?

It seems that vit b1 is for pins and needles sensation. Can I try it?

 

I have been really good today. Managed to prepare my tax return, drove my car, took public transport, spoke to my accountant, did some shopping and back. More than four hours. I got bit of pins and needles in my hands, but my bags were heavy, also driving requires hands...

But I have felt much better, almost normal...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Note to Tilly:

 

I neglected to add charcoal to the DI checker, it wither slipped my mind or I neglected its importance.

 

The drug checker has some infuriating limitations: some drugs are just not in there and neither are some supplements. This might be because there has been no info on a particular combo. And as we have seen, the docs aren't so good at checking things before they write scripts. I also don't like that you cant add in foods you suspect may be interacting, it won't work that way. It has to be one or more chemicals and I never think of charcoal as a chemical is why I don't think to add it. To me it is 'inert' but it is not, really.

 

Here's the advice to Ikam I addressed:

 

 

 

Hi Ikam,

 

<snip>

 

Manage your IBS with loperimide (Imodium) and diet

 

 

 If docs do not check for interactions when  person presents with a complaint such as Ikam's or she requests a med someone told her about, that is how these interactions can happen. Turns out Ikam had already been taking it. That is why I try not to ever suggest meds to a poster for any reason.

 

Ikam, did you ever do a dr.google search for the quality of your stools and see where that gets you?

The only thing I know about charcoal that it cannot be taken at the same time as other meds...i did quite an extensive reading about it...i guess it may be safer than ppi..


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Nice talking to you too ikam! I'm glad you got a break today. Hope it last a long while.

Hi, how are you today?

 

I am exhausted, which seems just an aftermath of two busier days. My head seems kind of empty, I have problems with simple decisions...

It is just three weeks since my visit at the emergency and tappering...i keep forgetting when I feel better...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Three weeks since decreasing...

 

I have to make an effort to remember that it has been only three weeks since I decided to tapper from 10mg to 5 and then to 2.5mg...

There are days like yesterday when I feel just my normal self...

But then there are days like today, days of some set back...

I wish I could stay longer off work and manage my stress level and energy better...

I think I am worse today as I used a lot energy yesterday...

 

It is a middle of the day, I am still in my pijamas finding it difficult to take any decisions. Oversensitive to noises and generally very weak, bit dizzy in times...getting some tinggling in my lips and hands...my head feels heavy, my body aching...feeling so tired...

In moments like this it is so difficult to believe that it will pass, that my body will heal...

 

I know, it is to be expected and I think I am lucky as I don't really have many disturbing symptoms...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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I had a better day yesterday with some needles etc with a intensive work day and almost symptoms free in evening. It was my 20th day since th least cutof 0.05 mg down to 3.8. Also I had visitors with a little sweet girl which gave me nice distraction. This morning I felt kind of ok with mild typical symptoms.

 

After the bad reaction to the increase to 4.5, I started a super slow taper by 0.05 cut holding for 2 weeks each. I think round 4mg the mental symptoms (confusion, foggy, blackout etc) started leaving with only physical symptoms. The bad wave I had last week or two seems from my shorter hold at 3.9 the 3.95 for only one week instead of two.

 

Most days my symptoms are reaction to the drug not WS. I am guessing you are experiencing both due to the quick and big cut. It will take longer for stabilizing probably so holding longer is required. Your thinking is good as it is expected and will pass eventually. I know it's very easy to feel hopeless when we are in waves. This thing takes so much to deal but we all did and you will gain confidence again when you get a window. In the future, I would hope you to consider slow taper after stabilization. Many successful stories of super slow taper at 1% or lower reduction with minimal symptoms and that's what I am striving for too.

 

I will send you the link for slow taper page in the next post.

 

Stay calm and just hold on.


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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I had a better day yesterday with some needles etc with a intensive work day and almost symptoms free in evening. It was my 20th day since th least cutof 0.05 mg down to 3.8. Also I had visitors with a little sweet girl which gave me nice distraction. This morning I felt kind of ok with mild typical symptoms.

After the bad reaction to the increase to 4.5, I started a super slow taper by 0.05 cut holding for 2 weeks each. I think round 4mg the mental symptoms (confusion, foggy, blackout etc) started leaving with only physical symptoms. The bad wave I had last week or two seems from my shorter hold at 3.9 the 3.95 for only one week instead of two.

Most days my symptoms are reaction to the drug not WS. I am guessing you are experiencing both due to the quick and big cut. It will take longer for stabilizing probably so holding longer is required. Your thinking is good as it is expected and will pass eventually. I know it's very easy to feel hopeless when we are in waves. This thing takes so much to deal but we all did and you will gain confidence again when you get a window. In the future, I would hope you to consider slow taper after stabilization. Many successful stories of super slow taper at 1% or lower reduction with minimal symptoms and that's what I am striving for too.

I will send you the link for slow taper page in the next post.

Stay calm and just hold on.

Thank you. It seems that you are in control with this process.

I remember when I was doing much slower tapper with effexor, I was more able to predict what happens. I had different symptoms, never had paresthesia, neither numbness and wandering pains, tinggling in my body.

Seeing people who manage their life, work, family helps me to keep hope...

I try not to panic, but as I cannot predict what happens, I tend to get this anxious response...

E.g. right now my leg is kind of numb, as I was sitting for long, but this numbness does not go away...or my hands feel wooden, or my lips are tinggling...

Also, when I got so exhausted today morning (after my yesterday's good day), I started questioning if I will be able to work three days a week...Something which was so easy before...

I still worry that something unpredictable may happen in my body and I will be disable...

 

I definitely will tapper much slower the remaining dose...

 

I noticed that you were on PPI and you stopped. I sometimes wonder if ppi contributes to paresthesia and other symptoms. I had twice this strange connection, I took ppi and within one hour or so I fel paresthesia...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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Hi ikam, I had all you are having, actually I am still having the left leg numbness this morning getting better now. Good they are not constant and they don't last the entire day.

 

I felt the same worry about the potential worsening situation when I am in waves but once you survive them over time you gradually feel more hopeful and confident. Its unfortunately the unavoidable process, but being strong and hold for the window is the way to move on and eventually feel better.

 

PPI seems played a big role in my reaction to the drug. I don't know how PPI impacted the lex metabolism but stopping ppi put me in typical WD so I increased then crashed by the reaction to the increase. It seems our brain is just too complicated for us to completely understand and a tiny difference could cause huge different outcome. So I'm not trying to analyze too much and relating to prior experience instead I try to understand how my body reacts at the moment and Learn to deal with it. Slow taper is what I just learned recently and that is the only hope I feel I can be eventually win. Suffer is what I expected too and I learned to be prepared to face new symptoms but stay calm with whatever comes.

 

Try to relax your mind not thinking too much of the next, doing little work at. Home like cleaning help me with anxious feeling.

 

Have you found places to go for swimming? Daily exercise has been what I do everyday even I feel terrible as long as I can walk, or go for something.


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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I did not look yet for places to go swimming...since I moved to this new for me town, I have had problems of going out. I moved here half a year ago and I dislike everything here...I used to be out walking everyday, now I sit mostly indoors..

I am planning to get back where I used to live. My new job will be there, still it is only three months contract.

As I only rent my flat I need to stay until the end of my contract here...so until july...

 

I am planning short holidays before my job starts. Flying to my favourite place on wednesday, back on monday...i booked everything today...

 

I had quite serious surgery in my right thigh muscle two years ago, and this leg feels strange, lots of tinggling today...

 

I was thinking about finding a good phisiotherapist...there ard ones that specialise in neuro-phisio...

 

As you said, I have some symptoms from the drugs and WD, difficult to judge which is which. With the decrease, my thinking has become much brighter...

I have been also more relaxed recently...

 

It is so good to be able to talk, listen to others, read their stories, answers...i get more hopeful...


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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That sounds great, ikam. That you made plans for a short holiday for yourself to really and enjoy. The nature is the best to soothing our soul and mind. I'm glad your thinking is brighter, an indication of lessoened harm from too much drug.

 

I always surprised that I could endur so much that I was thinking I could not and survived until today. Thinking lots others suffered more and survived, we can too. For now, just live one day at a step not thinking too much about future, keep going, and with good knowledge and strategy we learn from here, and not do anything sudden, we are closer to the finish light each day.

 

Sending hugs to you.


Drug free Sep. 23 2017

2009 Mar.: lexapro 10mg for headache for 2 weeks.

2009-2012: on and off 1/4 to 1/3 of 10mg

2012 June--2013 Jan,: 1/4-1/3 of 10mg generic, bad jaw pain

2013 Jan-Mar: 10 mg generic. severe jaw and head pain;

2013 Mar--Aug. started tapering (liquid ever since) from 10 to 5 (one step) then gradually down to 2.25 mg by July. first ever panic attack, severe head/jaw pain

2013 Aug.: back to 2.75 mg; Nov: back to Brand Lex. 2.75mg -- 3mg,

2014 June: stopped PPI, head pressure/numbness. up-dosed 4.5mg, severe reaction mental symptoms added on

2014 Aug--2015 Aug: Micro taper down to 3.2mg, .025mg (<1%) cut holding 2-3 weeks.

2015 Aug 15th, Accidental one dose of 4.2mg. worsening brain non-functional, swollen head, body, coma like, DR

2016 Feb., started dosing 10am through 11 pm everyday 2/13--3.2mg, 3/15-- 2.9mg, 4/19-- 2.6mg, 6/26--2.2mg, 7/22 --1.9mg, 8/16--1.8mg,8/31--1.7m g, 9/13--1.6mg, 9/27--1.5mg, 10/8--1.4mg, 10/14--1.3mg, 11/1--1.2mg, 11/29--1.1mg, 12/12--1mg, 12/22--0.9mg

2017: 1/7--0.8mg, 1/15--0.7mg, 1/17--0.6mg, 1/20--0.52, 1/21--0.4mg, 1/22--0.26, 1/23--0.2, 2/13--0.13mg, 2/20--0.06mg, 3/18--0.13mg, 6/1--0.12mg, 7/6--0.1mg, 7/14--0.08mg, 8/17--0.04mg, 8/20--0.03mg, 8/28--0.02mg, 9/6--0.0205mg, 9/8--0.02mg, 9/17--0.015mg, 9/20--0.01mg, 9/21--0.0048mg, 9/22--0.0001mg,

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I'm thinking you sound as if you're just a little brighter?   Hope so :)


Put on Prothiaden for severe depression in 1989.  Recovered.   Prescribed Paxil for another bout of depression around 2000.   Have been trying to taper ever since but always crash about 2 months after getting to zero.   Because of the crashes, for years I thought that there was something wrong with me.   Then found that the crashes were simply withdrawal.   Now following a maximum of a 10% reduction every month or so and ready to slow down any time I feel any symptoms whatsoever.  Feeling good:).

7th Jan 15 - 3.6mg

28th Jan 15 - 3.2mg

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That sounds great, ikam. That you made plans for a short holiday for yourself to really and enjoy. The nature is the best to soothing our soul and mind. I'm glad your thinking is brighter, an indication of lessoened harm from too much drug.

I always surprised that I could endur so much that I was thinking I could not and survived until today. Thinking lots others suffered more and survived, we can too. For now, just live one day at a step not thinking too much about future, keep going, and with good knowledge and strategy we learn from here, and not do anything sudden, we are closer to the finish light each day.

Sending hugs to you.

  

I'm thinking you sound as if you're just a little brighter?   Hope so :)

I was brighter yesterday. Woke up today very low. My body was acheing, mostly my palms. It is nothing new, but I am just tired. Is this only drug related or I am developing some arthrits in my hands?

Also started thinking thar when I stopped effexor I had lots of problems with diarrhea, followed with a long term pelvic pain. Am I going to suffer like I did?

Then suicidal thoughts arrived, not very strong...but I am so tired of my life...

Started worrying that, if I am like this today, I will not manage with the challenge of new job...

 

I am still pleased I organised my little break with my best friend. But today I just don't want to leave my place...

 

This is what I have been doing most of the time, stsying indoors and watch tv...

Maybe I am a bit depressed?


- 9.08- doxepin, 75mg

- 10.07- doxepin, 100mg

- 27.06- reduced doxepin to 125mg

- May 2020, omeprazole 40mg switched to esomeprazole 20mg

- 2012 re-started Doxepin 75mg, evening. Increased to 150mg

- 2012, Atenolol 25mg, twice a day

- 2016, Low dose of HRT in evening, Sandrena and Utrogestan 

- Long terms of Nasal spray Otrivine

- 2012, PPI Omeprazole 40mg-evening

24.10.2014- Started ESCITALOPRAM-first 5mg and then 10mg; due to the adverse symptoms reduced on 5.01.2015- Escitalopram- 2.5mg 22.07.2016- re-started reduction by 1% at a time. Completed tappering on  19.03.2020 😇

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